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WikiLeaks Under Cyber Attack

by John Reed on November 30, 2010

Days after releasing a massive trove of U.S. diplomatic cables, ever-embattled WikiLeaks says it has come under serious cyber attack.

Apparently the site came under a massive distributed denial of service (DDOS) attack this morning, shutting down the site to users in the U.S. and Europe.

According to the AP:

The site, which distributed a trove of U.S. diplomatic documents on Sunday, said in a Twitter message on Tuesday morning that it was under a “distributed denial of service attack,” a method commonly used by hackers to slow down or bring down sites. WikiLeaks didn’t identify the attackers.

The site, which is devoted to releasing anonymously submitted documents, also came under attack Sunday, but Tuesday’s attack appeared to be more powerful.

Apparently the site – nomally hosted on Swedish company Banhof’s servers – is recovering using server space rented from Amazon​.com.

What’s interesting here is the scale of the onslaught directed at WikiLeaks; 28 times greater than the average DDOS attack, according to the AP.

WikiLeaks said the malicious traffic was coming in at 10 gigabits per second on Tuesday, which would make it a relatively large effort. According to a study by Internet security company Arbor Networks, the average denial of service attack over the past year was 349 megabits per second, 28 times slower than the stream Wikileaks reported.

While fairly basic, could this DDOS hit be the first public example of the offensive operation by U.S. government cyber operators – a community that’s normally very coy about its offensive plans, techniques and capabilities?

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Thunder350 November 30, 2010 at 3:27 pm

Well we know the US didn't carry out the attack, atleast not the government. As our cyber abilities are worst then a 3rd world countries, mostly due to all these useless organizations (and politicians) arguing over who has what jurisdiction… and my personal favorite the old "what constitutes as a cyber attack" bs..

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kim November 30, 2010 at 5:37 pm

Maybe they hired Chinese hackers….

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eu__ December 1, 2010 at 11:39 am

how do we know the us didn't do it? or the cia/ nsa (especially) at least, they (at least the nsa) have cyber/ computer warfare divisions for sure (SELinux originated from nsa for example).

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AVG American November 30, 2010 at 3:54 pm

I believe that WikiLeaks now represents a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to the security of the United States and it's allies – and therefore any and all measures should be undertaken immediately to eliminate the organization – it's founder – and any and all sources associated with it. They are compromising our national security, plain and simple – and we are more than justified in taking them out completely, by any means necessary. And yes, I mean assasination. I wouldn't even worry about being covert either. They should be considered as terrorists and be targeted for termination. They are serving the terrorists interests and undermining America's national security and relationships with it's allies and the world. They seem to have an open back door to our intelligence and secure communications that is being exploited by terrorist organizations – and therefore compromising our national security. I, as an American citizen, urge my government to take any steps necessary to eliminate this threat immediately and terminate all of those who are associated with this terrorist organization.

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Colonel Compiler November 30, 2010 at 6:21 pm

The average American: Offended by the unvarnished truth, and outraged not at those who actually leaked the data (a crime) but at those who published it (which is protected speech). Plus he thinks extra-judicial killings are somehow a good answer. Sweet, sweet stupidity.

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Jacob November 30, 2010 at 8:16 pm

You realize that even if we shut them down, another Wikileaks will just rise up in its place? Wikileaks doesn't do anything besides publishing documents that were leaked by other people, and for someone to copy what they're doing would be extremely easy.

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crackedlenses November 30, 2010 at 9:20 pm

He has the right to publish the docs. We have the right to treat him like dirt. Sounds all good to me…..

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Sandy Patterson December 1, 2010 at 1:59 pm

The provider of these leak's is now being held in a Military Brig; as far as I know he is a
GAY individual who was upset with his boyfriend, which caused him to undermine the
security of the USA. This is an act of HIGH TREASON, and should be dealt with accordingly.

Didn't we execute a husband and wife in the early 50's for this same thing???

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Bianca December 1, 2010 at 9:40 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Ros

Is this what you are talking about? I would say this situation is a lot different then what is going on now. Where as, they carried information straight to the enemy hands and wikileak just published as a free speech campaign, to everyone in the world.. This day and time where every body and including our enemies can just turn on their computer and get what they want. Loop holes in our goverment that people use to do what they want and get away with it.

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@7thwave December 1, 2010 at 4:22 pm

BOY, you are a stupid and plainly pictured arse. I am not going to comment on the release of the data, but what happens to freedom of speech all because our stupid government decided to over react as usual. And yes as damning as these releases may seem, excluding the ones that violate opsec, should be seen by the American public…just to show what happens behind politicians doors, the poor decision making process, that eventually leads the country into a war that we did not need to be into too begin with. And lets not forget how we prop up puppet dictators that we eventually either kill or over throw funded by your tax payer dollars. So why is wikileaks bad? Because it tells the truth, or because it embarrasses the all mighty United States. Or is it because it exposes people who need to be put in a prison to rot.

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Sam November 30, 2010 at 3:59 pm

ABC News reported that a hacker called "The Jester" admitted to the attack. http://abcnews.go.com/US/patriotic-hacktivist-cla

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William C. November 30, 2010 at 4:09 pm

Good, now crank up the heat I say.

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Colonel Compiler November 30, 2010 at 6:27 pm

Yes, because wikileaks has committed what crime again? I'm sure you'd applaud the Chinese if they DDOS Amnesty International's website, eh?

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Okki November 30, 2010 at 4:28 pm

In the past, leaking classified information during war time was considered a treason offence with resulted in the death penalty. As an average american I believe that we should hold up that military rule of law and as such, both providers and distributors of the classified information should be targeted under military oversight and accordingly processed. That means that anyone providing support to WIKILeaks should be considered a terrorist at the lowest and a traitor at the highest levels.

When is society at large realizing that pussy-footing at the airport is not keeping us safe and neither is all this politically correct non-enforcement. Can we please grow our collective spines back please!?!? The enemy is not political correct. They do no care about your wife, mother, children, husband; so why would we care about their rights? If they have a US passport, revoke their citizenship. If they have a foreign passport; I don't care what you do them them how; as long as it is a strong deterrent for any other individual with the wrong ideas.

Okki

Okki

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Hamish November 30, 2010 at 6:33 pm

I've donated money to wikileaks in the past. I'm not a US citizen and not in the US. Tell me, how am i a traitor?

I love how everyone is ignoring the things their government is doing and everything they do must automatically be right. Blind patriots.

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William C. November 30, 2010 at 7:26 pm

Donating to a greedy, arrogant, hypocrite is something you should be ashamed of.

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Jcarter November 30, 2010 at 8:10 pm

Amen to that Hamish

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Not AVG European December 1, 2010 at 6:33 am

If your a western citizen your a traitor to your civilization aiding our collective enemy represented by the islamist forces of the taliban.

If your not then your just the enemy.

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Chis Hansen December 1, 2010 at 8:34 am

Information is your enemy? finding out how your goverment works is your enemy? knowing what you allow your state to do is your enemy? are there anything else than islamist forces in the taliban, or is taliban islamist? is there only "the enemy" that gathers us, and is it possible this is not about the enemy, but us?

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Not AVG European December 1, 2010 at 8:57 am

Aiding our enemy, disclosing the names of people supporting our cause in fighting the Taliban putting their lives in danger, is treason pure and simple.

Ross Anderson November 30, 2010 at 5:04 pm

Personally I find this sort of thing hilarious. Makes those damn politicians and diplomats have to cover their asses double quick. The earlier wikileaks crisis which leaked information directly related to current combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan was crossing that blurry line into treasonous territory, but as long as wikileaks sticks to exposing the idiots in our government and in other government I say the more the merrier.

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Ross Anderson November 30, 2010 at 5:05 pm

hooah

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Engineer November 30, 2010 at 5:35 pm

Hey Charles,

I agree with AVG – waste 'em – if you know what I mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Toejamms November 30, 2010 at 6:30 pm

We know what you mean: The rule of law means nothing to you, and you have excess testosterone and a simplistic desire to see the world in black and white. Anything else I'm missing?

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Hamish November 30, 2010 at 6:30 pm

wikileaks isn't being hacked. Nor has wikileaks ever hacked anyone either. So you're way off on your 'ironic' statement. Idiot.

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Colonel Compiler November 30, 2010 at 6:32 pm

They're called laws, we in the West find them useful when confronting monarchical excesses like those you stupidly advocate. Are you a sheik or an ayatollah?

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Thunder350 November 30, 2010 at 7:42 pm

Well you better call your local senator/congressman. Cause their trying to pass a law that allows the president to "kill the internet". And it has a good bit of support behind it. Soon we will have censorship's that surpass those of Australia. But not remotely close to China's great fire wall. :)

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William C. November 30, 2010 at 7:42 pm

Freedom of speech doesn't cover treason or acts of espionage. Regardless of how meaningless this latest batch of documents was, we need to correct this and send a message.

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Hamish November 30, 2010 at 6:34 pm

Freedom of speach.

I thought the US was land of the free, home of the brave?

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Ian James December 1, 2010 at 11:04 am

Assange isn't a US citizen and therefore he isn't protected under the Bill of Rights or the anything in the Constitution. I say **** him and his website. Kill them, no. Bring down the sight or tighten down on who sees what information, yes.

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FtD November 30, 2010 at 6:48 pm

I think it's the endemic cultural problem in US that people need to kill others if they believe others done something wrong. So whilst you're condemning Islamic world for stoning someone to death but wouldn't take a look at your own mirror.

I still yet to see Bush going to be tried for war crime as i'm waiting to see a piece of weapon of mass destruction @ Iraq…

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Thunder350 November 30, 2010 at 7:43 pm

They obviously moved them out of the country before the attack, say Syria. :)

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crackedlenses November 30, 2010 at 9:17 pm

Right on; do we really think Saddam was stupid enough to leave them laying around for us to find?…

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@MrKopfschuss November 30, 2010 at 9:53 pm

And he used chemical weapons against Iran in their previous war. The next logical step is nuclear developement.

And even then, do I really have to link pics of what those chemicals weapons did? It would've have been reason enough to invade.

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Oblat December 1, 2010 at 12:09 pm

Not according to the state department at the time. Yes they lied that he didn't and then lied that he did. All in a days work for the US government.

Philo December 1, 2010 at 9:30 am

Only a true Nazi, or a completely ignorant fool, would have a problem with a mad-dog dictator being put down, and the people having a chance at freedom….

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YourNotInreality December 1, 2010 at 1:20 pm

How long do you think it would take you ro find a soda can in the state of Pennsylvania if I allowed you and 50,000 of your closest friends search for it? Reality check… 12 ounces of any nerve agent would be enough to wipe out half of the eastern seaboard.

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Blight December 1, 2010 at 7:34 pm

those LD numbers are extrapolated multiples of a single LD. Yes, if you put millions of people Into a airtight box and circulated N amount of poison. Agents disperse rapidly when dispensed so in practical application you wont kill millions with a single canister.

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Randy November 30, 2010 at 9:11 pm

we sow what we reap. WikILeaks shouldn't cry.

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crackedlenses November 30, 2010 at 9:18 pm

Excellent point; they should have known someone would have been ticked off by this….

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crackedlenses November 30, 2010 at 9:14 pm

I find it ironic that someone didn't like their publishing the docs enough to cyberpunch them…..

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@MrKopfschuss November 30, 2010 at 9:45 pm

Julian Assange was a hacker, and wikileaks is supplied by hackers (And traitors, hope you hang Bradley Manning).

So even though wikileaks is not hacking itself (As far as I know, I wouldn't put anything past Assange), it has a strong connection. So it does make sense.

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IknowaboutIT November 30, 2010 at 10:00 pm

My feeling is that this is certainly the US Gov. This is child’s play for NSA. I think they should take care if this issue in a more old school and permanent way, but hey, crank up the DDOS.

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@MrKopfschuss November 30, 2010 at 10:32 pm

I think we're treating Mr. Assange in a very racially discriminatory way… a Taliban warrior that attemtps to interrupt US Intelligence operations is greeted with one or two well placed 5.56mm rounds… I believe Mr. Assange should receive the same treatment.

Free speech and hindering operations against terrorist organizations and insane regimes are two different things.

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Philo December 1, 2010 at 9:28 am

Agreed. I'm still trying to figure out how a NON-America, operating out of a foreign country, is using the "free speech" argument. The guy's obviously got a hard on for the USA, but has no trouble running behind its bedrock freedoms.

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Day December 3, 2010 at 11:08 am

free speech isn't a concept or a garuntee limited to just the US.

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Brian November 30, 2010 at 10:44 pm

Aside from making our electing leaders look foolish and their policies wrong headed, none of the recent revelations appear to compromise national security. Everything that came out appear to be what happens when n00bs hit reality.

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Simon November 30, 2010 at 11:08 pm

4-10Gpbs is not that bad. Major attacks can be between 60-100Gbps. The person claiming to be launching this attack announced it on twitter – do a search for Jester or click here:

http://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/8928679056900

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William C. December 1, 2010 at 1:38 am

I like this Jester guy. A hacker with morals it seems.

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UKGB December 1, 2010 at 3:05 am

Operatives should whisk Mr Assange away from the country he currently resides in to somewhere remote, for the rest of his life. Then deny all knowledge of any abduction. Problem solved. Do it properly and don't bungle it up though please.

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patriot December 1, 2010 at 12:23 pm

He lives in Australia

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Mufasa December 1, 2010 at 6:13 am

How wonderful, all of the comment-section ultranationalists are emerging from their proto-fascist cocoons! As soon as their wings are dry you'll see them engaging in their first few tentative justifications of the summary executions. It won't be long before they're beating liberals in the street and calling for the invocation of the Espionage Act against antiwar protesters.

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Philo December 1, 2010 at 9:22 am

Stop your sniveling you petulant child.

People like you and that pant-sniffing wanker oblat always justify "dirt tricks" when it fits your own world view. But as soon as it goes the other why, you cry to the heavens with faux moral indignation.

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Mufasa December 1, 2010 at 1:03 pm

You don't know what my world view is or what I condone. I am interested in helping you understand though, so here is a sample of a thing I would justify: Sending you to a gulag. I'm not interested in moralizing, I'm interested in improving the world in accordance with my preferences. I consider any coercion or repression a disutility, however, such things have to be taken along with the rest of the agenda of the actor imposing them. There could be a net positive expected outcome, in which case I would give qualified support. I think that Assange's organization helps to clarify certain aspects of U.S. foreign policy that will help more people to develop a realistic understanding of the relationship of the U.S. to the rest of the world to the potential benefit of everyone and I don't want to see it silenced whether or not it serves the interests of the national security state.

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Oblat December 1, 2010 at 8:59 am

The freedom hates aren't outraged that their government lied to them they are just outraged that they were told. I guess ignorance is bliss.

But then I read the blog of the DDOS attacker – yea it's one guy, a freedom hating nutter – and it is a sad read. He admits at several points that he has failed due to poor technical skills. There is something about hating freedom and being technically not up to scratch that seems to be pretty closely correlated.

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William C. December 1, 2010 at 11:24 am

Honestly, I don't know if you are some crazy emo teenager raging in his mother's basement or some bitter old hippie who refuses to leave the 1960s. Would you care to clarify?

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Oblat December 1, 2010 at 12:10 pm

Get back to us when you have served your country for anything other than yourself Bill.

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William C. December 1, 2010 at 2:00 pm

Care to provide examples of you serving your country or are you just talking out your ass yet again?

And no, bowing at the alter of this Assange guy doesn't count as public service.

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Philo December 1, 2010 at 9:17 am

HA! j3st3r for the WIN(!)

Nice the wikistinks was forced to migrate to servers in the US. Wonder how that changes issues of jurisdiction……

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Hornet December 1, 2010 at 10:09 am

Anyone who believes the consitution protects information that compromises national security is a moron. Whether you like it or not, classified information, leaked to the public or obtained otherwise, is *not* covered by the 1st.

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Maxtrue December 1, 2010 at 11:04 am

Judging from the remarks, Hornet, I don't think some "get it".

"Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I’m a dog chasing cars. I wouldn’t know what to do with one if I caught it. You know, I just… do things. The mob has plans, the cops have plans, Gordon’s got plans. You know, they’re schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I’m not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are. So, when I say… Ah, come here.
When I say that you and your girlfriend was nothing personal, you know that I’m telling the truth. It’s the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans, and look where that got you. I just did what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple of bullets. Hmmm? You know… You know what I’ve noticed? Nobody panics when things go “according to plan.” Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all “part of the plan.” But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!
Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I’m an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It’s fair!"

Ledger in the Dark Night (HT to the concept Michael Totten)

As someone Center/Left, the drivel on the Liberal side is rather lame. Assange might look back at the posts here to one regarding Polonium. Information Dissemination also has good comments by Galrahn……

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John December 1, 2010 at 10:36 am

Can we say Sticky Bomb :-)

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eu__ December 1, 2010 at 11:45 am

i fully support the wikileaks as long as they don't provide any info that could be used to target a specific person involved with the released data (yes i know that it already happened but they are working to delete the names or have already done)
the revelation of such confidential info (read: coverups) imo helps to keep the govts in check of their own actions or to at least think twice before doing something that could get swept under the carpet otherwise.
and there are plenty examples of such behaviour. loosely written patriot act, recent beefed up airport security (link… http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Gallery+Pat-dow… — i mean please… the terrorists have already won when people/ govt are scared like that) etc.

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pedestrian December 1, 2010 at 11:58 am

Does this mean if American citizens would join the war and DDoS against this anti-America leftist sh*t, the US government will blind eye and we won't get caught?

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dat December 1, 2010 at 12:08 pm

Still waiting for someone, anyone (yes YOU Internet tough guy!) to show me a death resulting from anything Wikileaks has published.
http://blackagendareport.com/?q=content/why-wikil

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IknowaboutIT December 1, 2010 at 1:57 pm

Dat, are you smoking crack? You can use that same defense for so many obviously stupid things to do. I guess you think it's okay that any secret should be sold to our enemies, as long as you can't point to a specific death in the PAST. Don't worry about the future, or any other implication…. Right?

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blight December 1, 2010 at 2:57 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article

The Taliban has expressed intent, so they're halfway there. Now we just need to confirm that the various people who get shot were done in because of Wikileaks…

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lolly December 1, 2010 at 12:20 pm

Seriously? They told us listeners on the radio this moring that if we wanted to bring the site down just go to it and hit refresh for 5 minutes. That radio station reaches three or more states.

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biff December 1, 2010 at 12:27 pm

with all of this new tech out there ud think someone who have the great idea of learning how to protect themselves from crap like this honestly its rediculous plus the fact of putting gov files like tht on the internet is one of the most retarded things ever its like telling the enemy where ur at and if they want to come over for a snack

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IknowaboutIT December 1, 2010 at 1:55 pm

"i fully support the wikileaks as long as they don't provide any info that could be used to target a specific person involve"

What an idiot you are, eu_, you could say the same if someone leaked the D-Day invasion plans.. General plan, not person specific…

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longshadow December 1, 2010 at 2:01 pm

This last round of leaks won’t have any effect on US Foreign policy. What it will do is have an effect on certain politician’s reputations. It’s time for some of these people to own up to their words and deeds.

66% of US voters think the country is headed in the wrong direction. If you travel much, you’ll find that most any country you visit holds a similar view of our government. Maybe we should use this information to clean house instead of attacking Julian for risking (literally) everything to get this information in the people’s hands.

Bottom line- Wikileaks has been publishing leaks for 4 years and nobody (U.S. Government included) has been able to point to a case where a leak resulted in somebody being harmed or killed. This is all just another smear campaign aimed at shutting down one of the only windows the public has into government and big business shenanigans.

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William C. December 1, 2010 at 2:08 pm

Indeed 2/3 of US voters do think the country is heading in the wrong direction. But they don't want it heading in the far-left direction Assange so badly wants. A quick search will reveal his opinion of our soldiers serving overseas, that poor excuse for a man is rumored to be a pedophile among other things.

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dat December 1, 2010 at 3:18 pm

ahhhh… the "rumor".

What more credible reason to disbelieve in the things someone says than their opponents cite "rumors". Sounds totally credible.

What does his opinion of our troops serving overseas have to do with reposting leaked US cables?

The poster you reply to is suggesting it is a smear campaign and you reply with "I heard a rumor"? Please cite your source.

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Charls December 1, 2010 at 2:57 pm

How will you know when the enemy is inside your government and has infiltrated it? How? When was the last time Continental America(the real America where 99% of the people live) been attacked? 1812? How many non-defensive unnecessary wars have your government get you into? For how long will you support it? If the media starts a campaign supporting another war against another hellhole Asian of African country you never heard of will you blindly support it? Are you something more than a follower of the media and his media installed puppets invading the White House? How many more wars until you realized you are Jewish bitches doing their dirty work? Grow up some balls and kicked this AIPAC parasites out of the White House, your country is occuppied and is bleeding to death for Israelis War, your people kicked out of their houses for jewish bankers, organized through jewish Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke. Just look at a map, you are being used by Israel and now they want to create a police state to protect themselves now that people are realizing it. Kicked them out. You have a law so that the president has to be american-born. Is it that hard to have a law stating that only americans can be in top-positions? No dual-nationals that put Israel about America. It's as easy as that, kicked them out of power and no more wars and crisis.

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dat December 1, 2010 at 3:05 pm

So Charles, if I understand your argument correctly, "the j00s did it"?

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Patriot December 1, 2010 at 3:32 pm

FtD and Ross are idiots and need to spend some time in Afghanistan before they laugh again or open their big mouths or start to learn to speak another language! The govern needs to crash WiKi leaks permanently and try these clowns who thinks our national security is something to play with. Time we stood tall again and got serious about saving our country from clueless liberals.

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Chris December 1, 2010 at 3:40 pm

@Charls: You blame the Jews for the problems in our country? Didn't Hitler do the same thing?

Go find another forum to vent your racist filth.

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Charles December 1, 2010 at 5:02 pm

A serious topic of important consequences is avoided with a magic word, "racism". You've been adoctrinated very well. You just show how things work, now they will have hundred years of immunity because whatever they do, it can not be criticized because they will put words like nazi and think the discussion is over. Think about that. Check a map, check your nearest library, there are thousands of books on how your government is compromised and no longer your government but a tool for a foreign power. You talk about "Spy Act of 1918", Ironic! Because the enemy is inside! And you are the ones defending them and destroying the rest of the country's laws by asking the invaders to go full martial law because they brainwashed you into fear monger of their enemies (muslim's lands they occupy).
Check Soviet Russia, that's your future, change Siberia for Canada, there you will spend your next christmas when they finally left the sucked country empty, full of debt and brain damages vets who fought for a foreign power.
You know, there was anti-semitism before WW2, and WW1, through all history, have you ever researched why? Why so many countries talked so bad about them and protect their country from infiltration? You haven't of course.

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JJK December 1, 2010 at 4:40 pm

I would be terribly disappointed if our Govt. (Mil. and Civ.) were not taking all steps necessary to eliminate Wikileaks capabilities to dispense their ill-gotten classified and sensitive information. This is truly a national security breech, their actions are seditious, and our kid gloves should come off, entirely! JJK

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dat December 1, 2010 at 6:12 pm

I'm not sure that word means what you think it means…

Wikileaks is not a US based organization nor is Assange a US citizen… he's Australian. Therefore I'm not sure he can be charged with sedition.

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longshadow December 1, 2010 at 4:56 pm

Patriot- Do you honestly think that ‘crashing Wikileaks’ will fix anything? Instead of posting the information on Wikileaks, the information will be posted on chat boards, ‘breaking news’ sites, and thousands of other public resources around the world. All it would take is a half dozen bullet proof bots. The concept is similar to the way that rootkits like Zeus communicate with their Command & Control servers.

I would think that somebody coming back from Afghanistan would understand the concept of a distributed decentralized attack.

This information is going to get out one way or the other. In the end, this anti-wikileaks campaign has always been about protecting reputations not national security.

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dat December 1, 2010 at 6:08 pm

Patriot… would you be for "crashing" the New York Times then too? They have released many "classified" docs over the years.

Last time I heard, true Patriots believed in a little thing called "Due process" and "Freedom of the Press". It's not the medias job to protect the governments embarrassing little secrets.

You may want to think your position through a bit further…

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longshadow December 1, 2010 at 4:57 pm

JJK-
Come on now.. You need to open your mind a little if you want to understand the problem. If your argument was fairly applied, every major news organization in the country would be guilty of the same ‘crime’.

I don’t see you calling for the heads of the publishers for the The New York Times, Le Monde, Der Spiegel, or El Pais. They were all partners in this latest release but nobody’s told you to hate them so they go unnoticed..

I could list a hundred examples of classified data being published by American media organizations. It happens every day. The only reason this is different is because it’s not controllable (Feds can’t threaten to withhold juicy inside information in the future) and it doesn’t include the usual spin that paints our officials in a good light.

The government has known for almost a year now exactly what was taken from Manning’s computer. Anybody that’s ever done computer forensics knows how easy it is to mount a target machine (say with EnCase) and reconstruct a user’s activity. It’s even easier when you can marry those workstation results to the server analysis, the database logs, and the network logs.

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msconfig December 1, 2010 at 8:40 pm

It is foolish to see wikileaks as a terrorist organisation, or to see its actions as any sort of 'attack'. Rather, wikileaks should be seen as an inevitable eventuality. If Assange didn't step up, somebody else would have. If Assange is taken out, 10 more will replace him.

Governments cannot continue to function in the way revealed by the leaks if they want to exist on the same planet as the internet. If any of the organisations or individuals affected by the leaks were genuinely suprised, it just goes to show how 20th century their mentalities are.

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Maxtrue December 2, 2010 at 8:23 am

You are confusing two different issues. The first issue is concerns the effort by Assange to discredit America and screw with its relationship with the world. I think many releases break the intent of the espionage law. Assanage is an anarchist seeking to cause chaos just like Burn Baby Burn Ledger in Dark Knight. I suggest you visit his Blog Archive to grasp the delusional megalomania of his "thinking". I posted on quote here. Will others follow? Sure. Roaches sometimes come in through the window here in NYC, but I swat them dead. Not sure if the Russian Mafia thinks differently.

The second point you're making is understandable. The system we have leads to such stupid theft. On a deeper level this goes on with American military technology. Why should China spend hundreds of billions when it can steal our designs, or Russia's. What moron would make these cables part of a 3 million server system that people like Manning can access? 9/11 called for Intelligence sharing, not Intelligence leaking.

Last observation – Daily Beast and other Liberal blogs (I'm center/left myself) hail Assange. They might as well hail the Joker. And in their adoration they miss the stark reality some of these cables show (and which smart people have long suspected) that the world is hardly the vision of the Left. Note most people are not surprised over the content, though it is false to say this stuff doesn't put many people at risk. Assange focuses his attack on Hillary. Gee, I wonder why. Contrary to the Daily Beast which also claims McChrystal exploded because Obama never wanted to "win" Afghanistan but failed to make that clear to the General, is that human behavior hasn't changed much. Sharks still exist and the type of diplomacy Wikileaks reveals is systematic of our present State of cooperation and competition. The truth Assange fails to see is basic anthropological reality.
I can only hope he and others who follow misleadingly calling their quest noble, meet the same fortune and the Joker……..

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Maxtrue December 2, 2010 at 12:16 am

sorry for the bad cut and paste above….

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Uthman Uwais Ibrahim December 2, 2010 at 3:58 am

The evil that men do……………..

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Maxtrue December 2, 2010 at 11:34 am

That's two replies longshadow, Defense Tech has yet to approve. Sorry if my answer to you doesn't get posted…..

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longshadow December 2, 2010 at 1:17 pm

fair enough. Just trying to have a healthy debate.

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Maxtrue December 2, 2010 at 2:20 pm

Yes, it would be nice. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/45843.h… What I pointed out earlier in the two replies not approved yet was 1. Russian articles did not mention the Ukrainian business man. 2. There are obvious limits to Free Speech 3. Assange is clearly trying to damage US ability to accomplish foreign policy goals (He HAS put lives in in jeopardy) 4. Read his Blog Archive to view his mindset.

Already the NYT has used their dump to promote "US has dim view of Putin and Russia" on their front page. This is only a partial view given the termination of the S-300 sale to Iran and their new found desire to be part of missile defense. OUR view is mixed and Assange's internet is to disturb whatever movement their is towards international convergence.

Maybe this will get posted. Who knows. I wouldn't however pick Holder over Assange in a trial. He has trouble convicting terrorists, or should I say trouble convincing a jury to convict. As for Free Speech, Assange is more like the Joker shouting "Burn Baby Burn".

or should I say; "Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!"

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charles November 30, 2010 at 5:12 pm

I think the "WE GOTTA KILL THEM" state of mind of yours is a little exagerated.Yes,i agree that they are kind of putting the national security in danger,in some way,but i think it could be kinda good to have a little"hole in the plumbing" for keep the pression a little lower,if you understand what i mean.Of course,if they are about(or they did) to release a critical intel that can directly put soldiers and/or civillians in danger,im ok to DESTROY THEIR DAMN WEBSITE,but not to kill anyone.
Who do you think ,at any harm or treat to them,will be publicly accused? That would make a pretty bad publicity.

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Colonel Compiler November 30, 2010 at 6:25 pm

You'll find any damn reason to ignore the constitution, all you right wingers do. I assume we'll know when such a critical release is about to occur by listening to our government whine about it, right? Then we can destroy stuff without feeling we've, you know, compromised our national values, right? Spare us your crypto fascist justifications, you're a joke.

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William C. November 30, 2010 at 7:35 pm

You left wingers ignore the constitution whenever it suits your needs, so don't dare to use that in your defense.

In WWII we wouldn't have stood for this, nor should we today. We have our intelligence agencies for a reason, lets have them earn their pay and ensure this guy is eating dog food in an Egyptian prison by the end of the week.

This weak little coward is just a symptom of bigger problems that must be addressed. Yet him getting his just rewards will send a message.

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Thunder350 November 30, 2010 at 7:38 pm

You forget the #1 reason William, and that's how the information is putting those who work for and with the US and its allies in harms way.

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icedrake December 1, 2010 at 5:54 pm

It's not even fun baiting the idiots who believe US laws apply anywhere but within the US.

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Not AVG European December 1, 2010 at 6:06 am

If you Americans put out a Dead or Alive Poster for this assange bastard and offer safe harbor for those that take him out, Ill be out hunting and so will alot of other Europeans.

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dat December 1, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Blight December 1, 2010 at 7:32 pm

Weapons disappearing to Syria would be the biggest intelligence failure since Tora Bora. There is just as little proof for material to go to Syria as there was for their existence in the first place.

Saddam is perfectly happy to use chemicals, but we weren't perfectly happy with him and cut the guy off when he became expendable,

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Maxtrue December 2, 2010 at 6:01 pm

His focus has been on us and he called for Hillary Clinton to resign. The leaks so far have been aimed at us. He presses on China and Russia any more he will be a dead man walking. Right now he is a false flag hit waiting to happen.

Dedicated? I don't know if you read his archive, but it is beyond eccentric. He ignores the basic parameters of human behavior and the struggle for international cooperation. He aims to take down the top dog first, which is us. If he printed more classified stuff he would leave himself open to rendition whereas now he hopes to walk the fine line of Free Speech.

As for political leanings, be serious. Who do you think is applauding in the US? The Daily Beast and Huff. He might think he's some sort of Libertarian, but they say no chance -he's way beyond that into anarchy land. Well he can take comfort Turkey has labeled him a Zionist agent.

People wouldn't put themselves through this? Well hacking is a dead end job. Where else would a character like Assange raise a million and become a household word? Like his mum says: "he's fighting the badies". Now what does he have, what Manning sent him? Gee, that's really a war chess against the world.

So far he has done little more than trade in stolen property from the US in an effort to stir chaos in US relations. The irony is that though he is clearly LEFT, some of his gems bolster conservative views of the world, don't they? So much so, Iran like Turkey think Assange is a closet Israeli.

Of course without the documents to reveal other nation's secrets, he can only slap at America and frankly, so far nothing is really new, other than specific names and areas now under the scrutiny of bad people.

You know, it didn't turn out so well for the Joker. I wonder what Assange will think when someone photo shops the Jokers make up over his face. But then, Time might make him man of the year. 2010 however I think they'll give to to El-Gamal. What the hell. the NYT gave it to Hitler in 1939…….

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