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Cables Show Inner Workings of Global Fighter Deals

by John Reed on December 6, 2010

Maybe you’re sick of WikiLeaks by now, but it has provided a couple of good insights to inner workings of several fighter jet competitions around the world where American-made jets are in the running.

In one case, leaked cables show how U.S. diplomats urged Washington to delay giving Sweden’s Saab Gripen fighter the latest American radar technology. This move was aimed at minimizing the appeal of the Gripen over the F-35.

Another cable shows a Brazil wary of being beholden to U.S. interests despite feeling that Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet may the best jet for the money.

In the first case, U.S. diplomats were so concerned that if Norway chose the Gripen over the F-35 it would sway the Netherlands and Denmark to follow suit that they urged the State Dept not to allow the Gripen to be equipped with powerful AESA radars until after Norway chose which fighter to buy.

From Steve Trimble’s The Dew Line:

“Norway’s decision on this purchase will either end or sustain one of the strongest pillars of our bilateral relationship and could impact subsequent Danish and Dutch decisions on the F-35, affecting NATO joint operational capacity and the vulnerability of the Northern Flank,” the diplomat identified only as Whitney wrote in the cable.

It was an important decision, and the US had to play its cards carefully.

But the embassy had already acted to thwart Gripen’s bid in Norway behind the scenes. Saab had previously requested that the US approve a Raytheon-made active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar — a key upgrade as the non-stealthy Gripen competed against the stealthy, Northrop Grumman AESA-equipped F-35 in Norway. Because the AESA was American technology, the US was not obligated to release the radar to a foreign competitor.

So it didn’t.

“Given this potential impact of AESA releasability on the Norway competition, and possibly the Denmark competition,” says a US cable dated 8 July, “we suggest postponing the decision on AESA releasability for the Gripen until after Norway’s decision in December.”

In another cable, it sounds like Brazil really wants to buy the battle-tested Super Hornet over the unproven Gripen and France’s expensive Rafale (which was described as yesterday’s technology by the King of Bahrain). Yet for multiple reasons, the nation insisted on looking at the Rafale and Gripen so much that most observers have long doubted the Super Hornet will win the competition.

From AFP:

One U.S. cable signed by Lisa Kubiske, charge d’affaires at the U.S. embassy in Brasilia, noted: “While the Rafale’s high price and doubts about the Gripen’s development would seem to make the Super Hornet the obvious choice, the fact remains that [Brazilian President Lula Da Silva] is reluctant to buy an American aircraft.”

U.S. diplomatic cables released Sunday by WikiLeaks said the head of the air force, Brigadier Juniti Saito, last year made it clear to U.S. officials that he considered “there was no question from a technical point of view that the F18 [sic] was the superior aircraft.”

One factor in favor of the Rafale is Brazil’s strategic partnership with France, according to AFP.

Lula, however, said he would make the final decision based on political imperatives — a condition favoring France, which has a strategic pact with Brazil.

According to the article, one of the biggest factors pushing the Gripen toward the head of the pack is the fact that Saab is willing to give Brazil access to nearly all technical data on its jet –including the software source code —  while the U.S. and France will give only “relevant” information.

Still, the U.S. tried to do as much as possible to sweeten the deal, states a cable from January 2009:

The key step for the USG over the next month will be to get the question of technology transfer right. While the Brazilians will not get the keys to the proverbial candy store, there should be enough sweeteners in Boeing’s offer to make the case that the SUPER HORNET includes the best tech. The offer must also address the key points raised in ref b (source codes, weapons integration, etc.).

It goes on to say that the U.S. should work to ensure that a Boeing award would provide the opportunity for numerous partnerships with the Brazilian defense industry including the “possibility of integrating Brazilian made weapons on the F18 at some point.” It also urges U.S. President Barack Obama to make a strong statement advocating the SUPER HORNET President Lula at the earliest opportunity.”

Washington was also urged to dissuade notions that the U.S. would have undue power over Brazil and the overall weapons deal. This was seen as especially important after the U.S. killed the sale of F-16s to Venezuela.

As important as approving the tech transfer itself to overcome the assumption that the USG can step in at a later date to restrict the transfer. While we can explain that we stopped transfer of F16s [sic] to Venezuela because of setbacks in democratic governance and interference in the security of neighboring states — circumstances unthinkable in the Brazilian context — the Brazilians tend to take the fact that we stopped the transfer as evidence that the United States is an unreliable supplier. To combat this assumption will require ongoing high level USG assurances, both directly to the Brazilian leadership and publicly, that we can foresee no circumstance in which we would restrict the transfer of fighters to Brazil.

The cable then goes on to say that several high ranking Brazilian“Foreign Minister Amorim and Minister for Strategic Planning Roberto Mangabeira Unger will also have a say; both see a purchase from the U.S. as leading to an undesirable ‘dependency.’”

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Justin H December 6, 2010 at 6:19 pm

We should pull out of the Brazilian fighter competition to show everyone that we believe it to be anti-American.

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Ben December 6, 2010 at 6:39 pm

Agreed

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Oblat December 6, 2010 at 7:53 pm

Cant compete so run away. You see more and more of this in America.

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blight December 6, 2010 at 10:14 pm

Heh. I don't think LM is going to abandon the market so quickly on JSF…or, they'll be content to sell to the Americans and wait for the export market to grow weary of the F-15/F-16/F-18 upgrades, especially when they become long in the tooth.

JSF probably won't become a Global Strike Fighter anytime soon..

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Belesari December 6, 2010 at 9:29 pm

Sorry, cant agree with you. Its not unamerican its what any nation would do given a choice. India is facing the same decission for many of the same reasons stalling also.

The US doesnt want another repeat of Iran or others were US tech is in the Hands of those who have become or could become a threat to American interest, our allies or our needs abroad.

Pulling out is simply giving the French what they want. Somthing france has done alot. Do you want the french to say they won because the Americans ran away :O

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Justin H December 6, 2010 at 9:44 pm

Its pretty clear that the deck is stacked heavily against us. If its not a fair game then why even bother wasting our time playing?

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DomS December 7, 2010 at 4:49 am

The game is always unfair. Look at the revelations about US leveraging Spain to take GE engines and ditch the Rolls Royces they'd already selected. Every competition comes down to this kind of behaviour. If there's a fraction of a chance that the US can win they must stay in it until the end and not throw the toys out. It's just the nature of the game.

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Justin H December 7, 2010 at 4:21 pm

If you think somthing is unfair, dont you protest it? Seriously none of you are sports fans because you all seem like you would just take bad ref calls like the French take a beating.

Trend December 6, 2010 at 6:49 pm

As a Norwegian I'm very happy we did not opt for a second rate Swedish aircraft, built in a second rate nation.

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Goat December 7, 2010 at 8:14 am

As a Swede I'm happy that we didn't sell our planes to the last Soviet state.

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William C. December 7, 2010 at 11:55 am

Fighting between Swedes and Norwegians? For some reason I find this humorous.

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Leigh December 7, 2010 at 4:10 pm

"Fighting between Swedes and Norwegians? For some reason I find this humorous."

Clash of the Titans ;-)

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kim December 7, 2010 at 6:10 pm

Meanwhile, we Danes are amused watching this.

crackedlenses December 6, 2010 at 8:28 pm

Makes one wonder just how good the F-35 is compared to the other competitors…….

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Brian December 6, 2010 at 8:49 pm

These are all excellent planes, I think the US should let the best plane win. If LM knew that other nations could shrug them off, they might put more effort into getting the F35 out the door

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tee December 6, 2010 at 9:27 pm

The US ( LM ) was afraid of Norway, Netherlands and Denmark buying the Gripen NG when the F-35 was still being priced at 52 million apiece, and now it's up to 105-155 million apiece. I wonder If any of these country's will buy the JSF and " IF " they do, how many F-35's will theses country's buy? From 52 million ( what they were promised ) to 105-155 million today. If they're smart they'd buy The Gripen NG it is a better aircraft.

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Justin H December 6, 2010 at 9:47 pm

They will probably think why buy a $100million 5th gen aircraft when we can buy a $60million 4.75 gen aircraft once the Gripen and Rafael are upgraded to their next block…

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blight December 6, 2010 at 10:13 pm

They probably reason they can replace the <5th gen aircraft when they really need to; and after America brings the price down through better R&D and economies of scale.

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Tom December 7, 2010 at 10:15 am

Is that before or after the cost overruns with the fighter. Your economies of scale depend on taking advantage of NATO partners, by selling something over priced, not fully up to snuff when you restrict the source code, and spare parts.

Not to piss on your parade but budgets in other counties will crash and burn this plane, and the alternative solution is looking to someone who will give more to less. Maybe upgrading some SU-27 costing $30 million each with another $50 million in new gear. Think about it.

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praetorian December 7, 2010 at 1:09 pm

Tom, Why is that taking advantage of NATO partners. If its over priced and not fully up to snuff, dont buy it

NATO allies can buy Gripen, Rafale or Typhoon. They dont HAVE to buy F-35.
I think the Gripen & Typhoon are both great aircraft.

Rolo December 7, 2010 at 5:13 am

Its still just a 4th gen fighter, not 4.75.

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Justin H December 7, 2010 at 4:26 pm

If its a little stealthy, though not full stealth, possibly has an internal weapons pod attached to it, has AESA radar, and 21st century avionics, doesnt that make it almost 5th gen…

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tee December 7, 2010 at 8:03 pm

The Gripen NG is a true 4.5 Gen aircraft, the Super Hornet is a 4.2 Gen aircraft. The Gripen NG with more advanced "US Only" avionics in it could be a 4.8 or 4.9 Gen aircraft. The Super Hornet is built on a 4th gen airframe, but gets the boost from the advanced avionics.

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William C. December 7, 2010 at 12:59 am

International fighter competitions are often dirty business. Nothing new here.

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William C. December 7, 2010 at 1:05 am

I'm not saying it is right, but you can find all sorts of historical examples of this sort of thing. The French for example were notorious in trying to sell Mirages over the joint French-British SEPECAT Jaguar, and undermined the efforts of the Jaguar sales team.

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Rolo December 7, 2010 at 5:15 am

Indeed, as much as wikileaks wants to cast Americans as beastly horrible people the horrible truth is that every nation plays these games.

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Mastro December 7, 2010 at 1:32 pm

I want to see leaked records for the sale of Typhoons to Saudi Arabia- or the Typhoon sale to Austria – which barely had an air force during the Cold War- but needs top-of-the -line now.

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eric December 7, 2010 at 6:13 am

The Dutch parliament is indeed up in arms about the "new and improved price tag" of the JSF, but the Gripen won't benefit from that unless the US screw up even more. Wikileaks is not anti american and will prove that with some juicy Chinese stuff (please please Assange)

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Locarno December 7, 2010 at 8:18 am

Well it won't be him himself for a while as he's just been arrested.

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Maxtrue December 7, 2010 at 10:40 am

Assange had a long time to show he's not anti-American. Unfortunately the message from Wired (Hanson) is that a Free Press knows no national self-interest. Besides being beyond anthropological theories, the idea Assange has taken aim at the US above all is absurd. Assange won't get bail and now he claims he won't go Doomsday unless he or staff is "gravely" threatened. So I suppose if he gets some Polonium poisoning, he'll still screw the US. Here is the Wired nonsense and read the comments….
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/wikileak

As far as the French, here is the whole article from Ares:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/inde

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Maxtrue December 7, 2010 at 10:42 am

That "Assange hasn't taken aim at the US above all"….that is…..

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William C. December 7, 2010 at 11:57 am

If you need any proof that Assanage is anti-American just look at the leak of infrastructure targets important to national security. If that isn't a gift to the radical terrorists of the world, I don't know what is.

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praetorian December 7, 2010 at 1:12 pm

Agreed William C.

Rolo December 7, 2010 at 10:45 am

I laughed at the "wikileaks is not anti American" line, very good!

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Rolo December 7, 2010 at 10:47 am

"Well it won't be him himself for a while as he's just been arrested."

Indeed he won't, he's not been granted bail and is being put in with the sex offenders, kiddy fiddlers and such other types. I hopw he gets jumped and done in.

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dat December 7, 2010 at 12:01 pm

@maxtrue

Thanks for the link to the Wired article. I had not seen that. I read the comments too and found this exchange to be insightful:

Posted by: komi | 12/7/10 | 1:18 am |
Right, WIRED magazine should get in line with all ANTI USA supporters of WikiLeaks … What is good about poblishing a STOLEN information, Black Mailing INTERPOL, Stealing HDD from US BANK etc etc … He is a ENEMY in WAR time … GO and talk to Talibans about freedom of speach …
WikiLeaks is ENEMY of USA and this is the way you should write about THAT … Anyway, my subscription is done …

Posted by: Ryan Singel | 12/7/10 | 2:55 am |
@kobi – If you hate the wikileaks “illegal” publication of “stolen” documents, you should love that Wired.com published the AT&T secret NSA spying room documents that whistleblower Mark Klein kept from when he worked at AT&T, showing exactly how the American government illegally spied on Americans’ internet usage.
According to your theory, anything the government doesn’t want you to know shouldn’t be made public, from the Abu Ghraib torture- reported by the New Yorker – to the CIA’s black prison’s — as reported by the Washington Post. All of these were “Secret,” but based on testimony by officials who knew they were wrong. But according to your theory, those reporters were traitors.
I think they were heroes.
Your response makes it clear you believe in nationalism over truth. I and Wired.com believe in the opposite.
Feel free to read whatever publication you like that will toe the government line, but Wired.com is not one of them.
We’ve done more than our fair share of critical reporting on Wikileaks, and they’ve even called us a tool of the government. But feel free to find your way back to whatever publication, from Politico to the Drudge Report, that fits your unflagging belief in the goodness and infallibility of the government. We’ll still be here doing what we do when your allegiance to power flags.

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Sean December 7, 2010 at 2:37 pm

The Gripen NG is a great little fighter that would do fine for Brazil. With an AESA radar it would be better than the super hornet in ACM. It doesn't have the payload the SH has but when will Brazil need that capability anyways? During Red Flag exercises the Gripen has done very well against all western fighters except the F-22. Brazil would do well choosing the Gripen over the SH and Rafale.

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tee December 7, 2010 at 7:58 pm

True the F-16's & F-15's didn't see the Gripen C/D ( old model ) coming. The Gripen NG is far superior to the older C/D models. But you are right only the F-22 did get the kills.

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@Earlydawn December 7, 2010 at 3:46 pm

Why are source codes such a hot commodity, anyway? I'm sure it lets you make modifications that are cheaper than hardware mods, but wouldn't you need a technical base about as big as the manufacturer?

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UmbrellaArgument December 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm

Not sure why any other nations even bother buying modern air assets… everyone can apparently feel confident buying deprecated aircraft because when it really hits the fan the United States is relied upon to be there anyway as a failsafe.

To insinuate that the United States is an unreliable partner with its allies in the defense space would refute the last 70 years of history. If the only reason your jet is competitive is because the US provides it with radar, then the dependency is no different than worrying about your jet parts not arriving – either way it’s a degraded capability and in the end it’s probably more worthwhile to collaborate with the best in the business.

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Justin H December 7, 2010 at 4:43 pm

Brazil fighter competition must likely dead. New president might boost Super Hornet chances.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=5182728&am

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Justin H December 7, 2010 at 4:43 pm

most*

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Mastro December 7, 2010 at 11:51 pm

Like most of the Wikileaks- not exactly "news". Politics has had a huge impact on arms sales. I guess the most recent non -Wiki example is how Morroco went with the F16 over the Rafale because they were PO'd at France over something.

Greece also buys French -then US depending on what day of the week it is-

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Justin H December 8, 2010 at 4:57 pm

Facts:

* President Silva whose term is almost up, wants the Rafael because he is pro France.
* The Brazilian AirForce (who will be flying the jets) wants the Gripen, because its the the cheapest option.
* The new President-elect is more pro American and that could mean a better chance for the Super Hornet.

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Justin H December 10, 2010 at 1:23 am

Update: The senior Air Force commanders want the Super Hornet. its Brazil's defense wonks who want the Gripen because of its lower cost.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Lula_hands_over_j

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Justin H December 11, 2010 at 3:29 am
Belesari December 6, 2010 at 9:33 pm

Just a warning to Brazil. As a member of a nation that has listed France as a Allie for many , many years……..beware. The french while good people individually have a government that has screwed us so many ways from sunday so many times its unreal. They will screw you over in 5 sec. for a advantage.

Dont end up like Nigeria. France is the only western country that hasnt really given up its african posessions.

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Tom December 7, 2010 at 10:04 am

So with that thinking, what are you saying about France that is no different than USA, just because is more involved in Africa make them the bad guys there?

France may have a history of losing some fights in its history, but they know how to stay the course for more then a few years fighting a war. Even if it looks like they are losing the fight. You guys get shaky hands when your dirty deeds make the news.

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Neo December 7, 2010 at 10:09 am

Because America and China want Africa and don't apreciate French are here and have a influence ?

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tee December 7, 2010 at 9:50 pm

Don't know anything about the F2 Fafale but will look it's capabilities up. But I've studied the Gripen for years. The Gripen C/D models ( old model ) performed very well against the F-16's & F-15's at Red Flag, only the F-22's could consistently find and take it out. The Gripen NG will be much even harder. In visual engagements at Red Flag & in Alaska the they couldn't see them ( small size ) till they were dead. Same in Europe I forgot where right now, up against F-16' block 52's.

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ANL April 26, 2011 at 4:57 pm

Real nonsens you are telling these foreigners.
Bye the way, not smart writing the current min. of defense as well as the Chief of the Airce would have stated the Gripen NG will be the best for the Needs of the Netherlands.
Even the ones who read this will understand they never would said this with the F35 in mind. Not very clever …

Acually the Gripen Ng in both competitions was last
F18, Typhoon, Rafale, F16 advanced and F35 competed
Last competetion 3 jets: 1th F35 2nd F16 3rd Gripen NG

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Mastro December 7, 2010 at 11:52 pm

Its not a crime to hate America -its almost standard to hang with the chic Euro types.

What is or should be a crime is releasing the names of Afghans who help us fight the Taliban- their heads will roll – literally.

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Carolyn Galloway December 14, 2012 at 5:35 pm

God Bless U Sir and Thank you for your service. U will b Greatly Rewarded in Heaven.Merry Christmas!
Sincerely,
C. Galloway
Professional Mom/Nana
Sparks;Nevada

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