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Brits Deploying Apache Choppers on Carriers Off Libya

by John Reed on May 24, 2011

So the Brits may have lost their ability to launch fighters from ships with the retirement of the aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal but that hasn’t stopped the Royal Navy from finding a stopgap power projection system until the Queen Elizabeth class supercarriers are commissioned. Apparently, the Royal Navy and British Army have re-qualified the AH-64 Apache (known as the AH1 in the U.K.) to operate from ships.

Three Apaches were originally embarked on Ocean as part of an exercise aimed at giving the fleet some ability to project carrier-launched air power since the Ark Royal’s Harrier jump jets were retired along with the ship. Now, the Ocean is sailing off the coast of Libya with the attack helicopters on-board (pictured above).

These birds are part of the Anglo-French force of attack helos that are may-or-may not be set to strike targets belonging to Moammar Gadhafi’s government in Libya. If the Apaches join the fray, this will mark a new phase of the Libyan conflict, coming on the heels of some of the heaviest NATO air strikes yet against Gadhafi.

From Aviation Week’s Ares blog:

What started out as an exercise is now turning into something more. The British government has apparently decided to deploy the rotorcraft to Libya, to help rebels in the area of Misurata in their fight against Libyan government forces.

The move is a big escalation for the British after weeks in which sustained attacks on Libyan government positions and Col. Gadddafi’s leadership compounds failed to generate any major breakthrough.

Only three Apaches are deployed on HMS Ocean, but the government has apparently authorized at least one more to be dispatched there with two more on standby, reports the Daily Telegraph.

If deployed, the choppers would perform a similar role as the handful of U.S. drones that have been striking Gadhafi’s troops for just over a month now; loitering close to the ground in urban areas where they can easily identify and kill enemy soldiers who are deliberately hiding among civilians.

While strikes by fast jets have eliminated Gadhafi’s fleet of fixed wing aircraft and anti aircraft batteries along with seriously reducing the number of command and control bunkers, ammo dumps, artillery and armored vehicles, the regime is still holding the rebels in check by adopting assymetric tactics to hide its remaining firepower from NATO strike jets and pummel the rebels. The addition of at least three Apaches and an unknown number of French Tiger attack helos embarked on the Mistral class assault ship Tonnerre will no doubt allow NATO put even more pressure on Gadhafi’s forces that try to hide from air strikes.

The Apaches and Tigers carry more weapons (cannons, rockets and Hellfire missiles) than the drones and they put aircrew in the thick of the fight. Yes, this exposes NATO to human losses but it also allows for potentially quicker target identification and decisions on how and when to pull the trigger.

 

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paperpushermj May 24, 2011 at 2:54 pm

This mission has gone far beyond its original definition. I have no idea what we are doing in Libya and frankly it's starting to Pi$$ me off.

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Sanem May 24, 2011 at 2:58 pm

drone wannabes, buy more drones!

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marcase May 24, 2011 at 3:04 pm

Re-call – the Brits just reported that there were plans to deploy embarked helos to Libya, but not an actual deployment. Apparently the Admiralty is quite p*ssed at the French for disclosing it.

Labour MPs were annoyed that they may have been ill-informed, and that put HMs government in a bit of a huss.

Again; just plans for a possible deployment, no action (yet).

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STemplar May 24, 2011 at 3:43 pm

This is all good for Europe. It gives them a view of what operations are like when the US takes a back seat. Even though we are very much involved in the op in many ways, when we don't show up with our toys in force they're getting an idea of the kind of money they actually need to spend as opposed to what they do spend if they want to have real expeditionary capacity.

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Think Defence May 24, 2011 at 4:01 pm

The French Tigers do not carry Hellfire, not yet anyway. They are limited to rockets and cannon at the moment I think. The gazelles deploying with them do however carry HOT ATGW and even Mistral AA missiles

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Ken May 24, 2011 at 4:54 pm

Mission creep doesn't get anymore textbook than this.

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Jacob May 24, 2011 at 8:55 pm

Gadhafi was butchering his people. If dealing with him involves mission creep, then so be it.

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paperpushermj May 25, 2011 at 12:27 am

With all due respect: How do you know what was happening. It's more likely our European allies wanted to protect their oil supply and called in some IOUs from the USA. They probably thought Quick in and out. Just like me

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Cody May 24, 2011 at 7:02 pm

The reason why you don't just deploy AH-64's off a carrier is because they need to be protected from the corrosive elements of the open sea, otherwise they would not make it 50 feet off the deck without a catastrophic breakdown in one of the many different flight systems needed to keep the bird airborne. Do not underestimate the ability of the sea to turn a prestine hunk of metal into rust in no time flat, whether it be a 15 million dollar highly complicated piece of metal or a iron rock. But that would be one of the many reasons you would not deploy an Apache off an aircraft carrier in the USN or marines situation, they already have a plethora of other platforms that they can do the exact same job with as others have kindly pointed out e.g AH-1Z Cobra (except for range restrictions when comparing a Apache to a Cobra without extenal fuel pods).

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Stephen Russell May 24, 2011 at 9:05 pm

Why wont the US do this from our amphib fleet, extend range of Apaches for MC use for use worldwide???
IE USS Boxer LHD class etc.

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STemplar May 25, 2011 at 12:00 am

Mostly because we don't need to. This isn't some cool capability the French and British are displaying. This is pure kitchen sink logistics, they are simply doing what they need to in order to manage and bring appropriate firepower to bear. We don't do this because we have better, more effective, more plentiful, less risky ways of accomplishing the same thing.

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anon May 25, 2011 at 2:18 am

If our Harriers disappear before their replacements arrive, we may have to go this route.

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STemplar May 25, 2011 at 2:27 am

I don't understand, why would we use attack helos from ships when we can fly Predators and Reapers remotely, or fly CAS with F-18s from CVGs, or loiter bombers overhead with dozens of precisions weapons. That's why the British and French are doing it, they don't have all the other options.

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Richard S. Lowry May 25, 2011 at 3:06 am

USS Bataan LHD 5 is patrolling the Mediterranean with Amphibious Ready Group 6 and the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit. We have all the capabilities needed to provide assistance in this chaotic region, including more helicopters than both HMS Ocean and FS Tonnerre combined, plus an entire Battalion Landing Team.

I have been embedded with 22 MEU since March and we have the resources to help the Libyan people in many ways. We stand ready to provide humanitarian assistance, evacuate civilians, rescue downed pilots, and conduct military operations. We have the best medical facilities afloat in the Mediterranean Sea with fully staffed and equipped operating rooms, intensive care units and a hundred hospital beds.

We are here and awaiting the President’s orders to save lives in these turbulent times.

mat May 25, 2011 at 5:58 am

Drones and fighter planes have proven themselves quite waste of money without boots on the ground close air suport can not be done from 10.000+feet. This is now a second war led purely for the air by Nato ,first being airwar over serbia and the efects are borderline failiure in both campaigns ,nato bombed serbia for 80 days and only real damage was to the infrastructure ,serbs only signed peace agrement due to damage on their civil infrastructure,i doubt Gadafi cares abut regular libiyans that much .It seems that modern armies trust LM brochures to much

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Beno May 25, 2011 at 4:01 am

British Apachies have folding rotor blades unlike US variants.

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Steve May 25, 2011 at 1:49 pm

You forgot to mention that they cost us four times as much, too, because some genius MP decided they had to be built in his constituency in order to create 'efficiencies'.

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STemplar May 24, 2011 at 3:39 pm

Because the USN and USMC don't buy them.

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orly? May 25, 2011 at 10:37 am

I said it before, I'll say it again:

"SPACE, PARTS COMMONALITY, RELIABILITY"

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gildasd May 25, 2011 at 4:05 am

I've heard that they are trying to shoot track of tanks, not cooking them off, so the rebels can repair them for further use. But the info coming out of Lybia is a mess of hysteria, half truths and crazy stuff that is sometimes true…

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gildasd May 25, 2011 at 5:08 pm

COIN not CAS… Darn, need more coffee…

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