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PLAAF Rising

by John Reed on July 6, 2011

Speaking of the J-20, I couldn’t resist posting this picture showing two of China’s most advanced fighters sitting side by side; the stealth fighter is parked next to an unpainted J-10. Both of these planes represent serious leaps ahead for Chinese military aviation and both planes are rumored to have been built with stolen U.S. technical data.

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Matt July 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm

Besides China Defense Blog where do you get your photos of the Chinese military?

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Lance July 6, 2011 at 3:03 pm

You listen too the CHinese state media too much. The J-10 is a copy of both the EF-2000 and the defunked Israeli lavi ATF. It has same capilibilities as the US F-16 and is far inferior to the F-15 or F-22 in performance. The J-20 is 7-10 years away from production and seems to have a small weapons load for such a large aircraft hence sacrificeing capilibility for stealth China is improving its front line military but most of her reserve still made of of old J-7 MiG-21 aircraft and I still think Russia is a far more capilble threat than china is.

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justsaying July 6, 2011 at 5:38 pm

Of course the J-10 is inferior to the F-15 and F-22. It's not even in the same class.

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blight July 6, 2011 at 5:50 pm

Making the Soviets look big and nasty was profitable too. While capable of some truly nasty things like Prague Spring and the invasion of Afghanistan, the Soviets weren't as serious a conventional threat to the United States (Western Europe probably being toast against the Soviets) as they were made out to be.

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Steven R. July 7, 2011 at 6:03 pm

But lets not take a risk with china. Supposedly they didn't have this tech 5 years ago, but obviously they do. What will they have in 5 more?

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Jeff August 5, 2011 at 2:36 pm

LOL, Lance, get a job. Move out your mom's basement. Stop trolling around… You make a troll look smart.

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Dan July 6, 2011 at 3:48 pm

Lance, you seem to forget that numbers can beat technology.
Besides if used right a Typhoon could beat a Raptor.
Also who says the J20 is 7-10 years from production?
Just because it took the US twenty years to build 187 raptors doesn’t mean it will take them that long.

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DanS July 6, 2011 at 4:43 pm

Numbers, international trade numbers and investment trumps military fantasies. The US Chamber of Commerce and wall street would throw anyone under the bus who screws with the trade relationship. The US-China relationship is kinda like the Costanzas, lots of screaming, but mutually beneficial for all in the long run.

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Prodozul July 7, 2011 at 12:06 am

Until George breaks up with the lady who works for the IRS…

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VikTor July 6, 2011 at 8:08 pm

Looks like a copy well be looking for it in wallmart hahaha

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Auyong Ah Meng July 7, 2011 at 3:59 am

I don't think that drone UAV whether it is stealth-made or not….will get close enough to a carrier battle gruppe battle space to have a "real good" look before being swatted out of the skies…

A bunch or many of them on the other hand may…but who cares in the end…you just need to hit the control stations/nodes (be it on the ground or air…by backtracking the control signals) controlling these un-manned birdies…you will see these birds falling outta the skies too…and well…bob's your uncle!

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Chimp July 7, 2011 at 7:01 am

Interesting picture. Sort of suggests that as of this year the J10A is still in production, which means no J-10B production. I wonder why, as the -B is on paper much more capable.

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Maxtrue July 7, 2011 at 8:18 am

http://elpdefensenews.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-ap

Range, VLO, larger weapon bays….gee, what does that add to? Axe at Wired thinks production lines and years of service make our technology like engines far better than China. Yes, but for how long? We are closing F-22 production lines, sending home NASA workers and struggling to keep the M12A SEP lines open.

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Matt July 7, 2011 at 11:32 am

Just an observation, but doesn't the J-10 look a lot like the Eurofighter or the Rafale?

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Tad July 7, 2011 at 11:42 am

"…both planes are rumored to have been built with stolen U.S. technical data."

So what is the US to do when the Chinese-descended people it hires in its defense community steal data and send to China? After all, the US has graduated very few native-born engineers and scientists from its graduate programs in the past 15 years. Most are Chinese or other foreign nationals. Stupid is as stupid does.

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blight July 7, 2011 at 12:42 pm

You can also buy the data too. A fair number of people caught in espionage are motivated by money rather than ideology. The next question in paranoialand is whether or not foreign-born people will train their kids to be spies: which requires a serious leap of faith before it can be believed.

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James May July 7, 2011 at 4:04 pm

Well considering that US universities often give preference to foreign students in admissions, research, and post grad hiring it is not surprise that there are a large number of foreign nationals in these programs. I have seen plenty of H1B's take positions at universities that there were plenty of qualified US citizens for. I have also seen these same H1B's keep their positions as US citizens are laid off.

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readyfire July 7, 2011 at 6:35 pm

LOL @ US Stolen technical
Data… another great nation which will not admit that it acquired foreign design information to compliment it’s indigenous efforts to build war machines. Reminds me A LOT about us after world war 2. but I wonder where did the technological advances originate if we stole from the Germans and the Russians? Maybe they really were far more superior during that time if we had to copy them. I love ‘rumors’ because ya never know which ones a writer will use. I wonder what those Chinese blogs say about us? They have nearly five times more believers than we do.

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Vok July 7, 2011 at 12:43 pm

Americans are just n

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Vok July 7, 2011 at 12:45 pm

Americans are just not that good in math and engineering. you can call it a culture thing or failure in education system. Whatever it is, the future is bleak. Today if you go visiting universities and high tech companies or if you attend any tech conferences, you find most engineers are either indian or chinese descendent. Folks here are living in self-denial. Who is going to keep U.S. tech leadership You people? Besides hating or talking BS, what else can you do to stop American's inevitable decline? If you really want to help, go study hard and choose a career in a technical field. That’s if you are lucky you can even find a job in the first place, most engineering jobs are shipped overseas along with industrial bases.

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Maxtrue July 7, 2011 at 1:48 pm

Absurd Vok. That claim of yours is refuted by the superiority of many things "technical". You don't need a million engineers and mathematicians, just enough to build the best products. Our engineers aren't compelled to science or math to escape poverty. For many years there have been more profitable options like medicine or entertainment. Of course the first thing we could do to stop the "inevitable decline" of America is expose the silliness of the narrative of "inevitable". "You people"? Ha…..

We need to increase the pay for our technically minded "cream of the crop" and invigorate the quality of primary education.

As long as where being the best is profitable, I suspect Americans will lead the pack for decades to come.

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blight July 7, 2011 at 2:36 pm

Lumping all of America into "science", "math", "medicine" and "entertainment" sounds equally absurd.

The cream of the modern workforce is its brains, provided by your engineers (of all branches: chemical, aerospace, mechanical, et cetera), supported by scientists (the chemists, the physicists, et cetera); but engineers are designers by nature; and you don't need as many as you do need skilled workers to build your stuff. In America, we've started to gut the arms of consumer industry, with ominous portents for the brains and the arms of other industries. We outsource final assembly of water bottles and mobile phones to China, and what're the odds we move other things next? Or contract component fabrication as well?

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TROJANII July 7, 2011 at 2:26 pm

If we "are just not that good in math and engineering", because of our "culture thing or failure in education system", then why are the Chinese and Indians coming here for education?

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blight July 7, 2011 at 2:32 pm

Because the university systems back home sorely lack the capacity to accomodate the numbers of students in the pipeline? That and in general, Westernized countries retain the technical expertise that universities back home accept as theory and not established fact.

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readyfire July 7, 2011 at 6:42 pm

Gonna have to agree with Vok here. Keep jobs in America instead of offshoring. But then again, the government is on corporate America’s side, not on the public’s. Oh and by the way, they come here for education, “TROJANII” because it’s a lot easier to get into a good college here than it is in their respective countries. There’s a lot less competition here given our population. Most of the lecturers and professors in science and engineering faculties are from abroad, especially Asia and the middle east, some from Europe. Anywayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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Steven R. July 7, 2011 at 6:05 pm

Either way the US is the best and most powerful country in the world.

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readyfire July 7, 2011 at 6:43 pm

Yeah that just about sums it all up. LOL.

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blight July 7, 2011 at 7:02 pm

"Britannia is mighty and powerful"
~circa 1750-1939

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crackedlenses July 7, 2011 at 8:05 pm

Uh, they were, actually; nothing lasts forever, and China sure isn't an upstart colony waiting to kick our rear-ends…..

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blight July 7, 2011 at 11:20 pm

Nothing lasts forever illustrates the futility of sitting pretty on the "USA! USA!" flagwaving exercise. And it doesn't really matter whether or not China fits the exact profile of the future successor because Britain superseded previous local power France and previous superpowers like Rome, and powers before it.

Regardless, it beats navel-gazing and pretending the achievements of those before us mean we don't have to work as hard.

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John B July 8, 2011 at 6:55 am

I would say US is the most in-debt technological advanced nation in the world.

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blight July 8, 2011 at 7:43 am

Works for me, though I wonder if there are other countries with more debt as percentage of GDP…Japan might still be more highly leveraged?

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blight July 7, 2011 at 11:40 pm

With Star Trek's magic deflector dish, anything is possible.

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