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Iran’s Newest Cruise Missile

by John Reed on August 23, 2011

So, Tehran is showing off yet another cruise missile (as it seems to do every few months). This latest weapon, dubbed the Ghader, is apparently designed to destroy warships sailing up to 124 miles off the nation’s coastline.

Now if the missile actually works, it will be able to take out targets anywhere in the Persian Gulf or Gulf of Oman. However, while Tehran’s got a bunch of cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, it will be interesting to see if the Iranian’s have mastered the guidance and targeting systems needed to strike a moving target. Iran frequently unveils new tech that are nothing more that parade pieces. Furthermore, all the U.S. needs to do is park its ships beyond the reach this and Tehran’s other new “carrier killer” missile with a 185-mile range.  I mean, Tomahawks and F/A-18E/F Super Hornets launched from 400 to 1,000 miles offshore could easily strike Iran’s missile batteries if the Iranian military ever tried to close down the Persian Gulf. So while the missiles pose a limited threat to the region, they could be put out of action by the U.S.  Navy (or Air Force for that matter). Sorry Iran, you haven’t yet mastered area denial in the same way that China is.

Still, check out this interesting post over at DoDBuzz that lists what might actually be a bigger area denial threat to U.S. ships in the Gulf, albeit less glamorous one, than cruise missiles; Iranian sea mines.

From the AP:

Iran’s president claimed on Tuesday the country’s military can cripple enemies on their own ground as Tehran put a new Iranian-made cruise missile on display, the latest addition to the nation’s growing arsenal.

The state TV reported that the new missile, showcased at a ceremony in Tehran, is designed for sea-based targets, with a range of 124 miles (200 kilometers) and is capable of destroying a warship. The TV said it can travel at low altitudes and has a lighter weight and smaller dimensions.

“The best deterrence is that the enemy does not dare to invade,” President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said during the ceremony. As he spoke, the TV showed footage of the weapon, dubbed “Ghader,” or “Capable” in Farsi.

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orly? August 23, 2011 at 3:32 pm

"I mean, Tomahawks and F/A-18E/F Super Hornets can easily strike targets Tehran’s missile batteries if he Iranian military ever tried to close down the Persian Gulf with its missiles. So while the missiles pose a limited threat to the region, they would be quickly put out of action by the U.S."

Everyone anti Navy/USMC does not believe you.

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@Earlydawn August 23, 2011 at 3:47 pm

Yeah. The Iranian IADS are supposedly pretty thick along the coast, and the batteries are well entrenched.

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USSHelm August 23, 2011 at 6:21 pm

I don't think anyone loses sleep over S-300s made of oil drums.

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Mark Pyruz August 23, 2011 at 3:59 pm

Maybe you should ask the Israeli Navy if Iranian AShM systems really work. I hear the crew of the INS Hanit has some experience with such.

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FormerDirtDart August 23, 2011 at 4:43 pm

the Hanit was hit by a Chinese missile, fire by the Hezbollah. Exactly how does that garner experience in Iranian Anti-Ship Missiles?

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orly? August 23, 2011 at 4:51 pm

That, and their CIWS were in "safe" mode.

Imagine if they were on, like the US Navy usually has them everytime they visit around there.

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Robert August 23, 2011 at 8:46 pm

Not only CIWS, but their weapon radars, etc. Most navies keep such radars off until there is an imminent threat.

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Lance August 23, 2011 at 4:03 pm

Too bad the missile right next President whack job didn't go off in a demonstration!!! LOL

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John Moore August 23, 2011 at 4:12 pm

Forget if your for or against Iran in general and ask yourself what else are they supposed to do other than keep showing off so called new tech?

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orly? August 23, 2011 at 4:25 pm

Feed its people, use money to elevate them from third world status other than the mountains of military equipment, give them rights that make sense?

You do not need nuclear crap to make running water and food.

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Cheesed August 23, 2011 at 4:27 pm

Holler.

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Zee August 23, 2011 at 6:02 pm

feed their people? when was the last time Iran was in Africa?
and you need Nuclear crap to make to industrialize a nation at this age and time.

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orly? August 24, 2011 at 8:45 am

So the insane amount of mediocre military equipment they were making for the last decade are made from MAGIC?

Wow dude, learn to think, they have an industry and all they're doing is making weapons.

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Jay August 24, 2011 at 11:11 am

Yes, but if you have scary weapons you can threaten other people into giving you food and water. Hey, it works for NKorea.

Also having a productive civilian economy and modern infrastructure would improve standards of living for Iranians, and people who are pretty well off would not be happy to die as pawns in the nuclear war Iran's Islamist leadership is planning against Israel.

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blight August 24, 2011 at 8:24 pm

The Iranians aren't economically in the same boat as the North Koreans. They've decided to follow the American path of "prosperity through weapons". However, a mixed industry is the only way forward, and I'm not sure if Iran is going to the trouble of trying.

There's also the fact that since the MidEast needs oil refining capability, and Iran might be well served to serve the Middle East's refining needs. Then again, people may go with the Sauds.

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asdf August 23, 2011 at 4:12 pm

isn't there a cannon, mounted on the mh-60 that uses a supercavitating projectile to destroy the mine?

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TLAM Strike August 23, 2011 at 4:52 pm

AN/AWS-2 Rapid Airborne Mine Clearance System on the MH-60S.

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blight August 23, 2011 at 5:22 pm

"RAMICS uses a gated electro-optic Laser Imaging Detection and Ranging (LIDAR) sensor for target re-acquisition and a 30mm MK44 Bushmaster II gun for neutralization.

The gun uses a MK 258 Mod 1 armor-piercing, fin-stabilized tracer round which is stable during flight, and after penetrating the water, supercavitates to greatly reduce drag and improves underwater flight performance. Supercavitation takes place when the tip of the high velocity RAMICS projectile vaporizes the water to steam allowing the projectile to travel through the resulting gas pocket in the water column. The accuracy of the system will destroy the mine with a minimum number of rounds.

The system has undergone a series of tests to confirm projectile depth and lethality. Testing in November 2002 validated the system's operational utility and application to future missions. RAMICS has also demonstrated rated capabilities to penetrate earth, metal and a six foot solid block wall."

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Sammy August 23, 2011 at 4:31 pm

At least it's pointed in the right direction.

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Stan August 23, 2011 at 4:32 pm

It's interesting how Westerners and Israelis always underestimate their opponents. The Israelis still haven't been able to defeat Hamas in how many decades of fighting and the US will probably never pacify Afgan.

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orly? August 23, 2011 at 4:43 pm

Insurgency is not the same as modern warfare.

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STemplar August 23, 2011 at 4:43 pm

Are the Israelis actually fighting Hamas? It seems to me they simply have left them surrounded in a tiny little down trodden spit of land that no one would really want anyway. It seems to me this last batch of tit for tat in the last week resulted in Hamas calling for a cease fire pretty quick.

In regards to Stan, tough to pacify something if you don't pacify it. Sitting on an imaginary line in the mountains and waving to the Taliban as they go home from work every night isn't much of a winning strategy.

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saberhagen August 24, 2011 at 2:44 am

because every time they try to do that, those lefties will cry like their own parents were murdered

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orly? August 24, 2011 at 8:42 am

So the entire time of the GWOT, while under a Republican president, it was the lefties' fault we couldn't secure Afghanistan?

What logic!

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blight August 24, 2011 at 9:24 am

Darn, I thought the whole point of the flag waving (flag made in China), flag pins (pins made in China) and yellow stickers (stickers made in China, or maybe the US) was to "support the troops", lefties or not.

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marko August 27, 2011 at 3:22 am

You are confusing real "full on" war and "keeping the war going on" technique. The latter one is supposed to go on for years and to draw attention from "other things that are going on at the same time", only thing in both cases is that both sides are controlled by the same interest group, current goals are different.

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STemplar August 23, 2011 at 4:33 pm

I would agree mines would be a far greater issue. I would hope our intel on where they are made and stored, as well as, what will deploy them is good so that should the need arise we can interdict that.

In regards to Iran's IADS, a pair of B2s would make short work of it.

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Hunter78 August 23, 2011 at 4:53 pm

It looks small enough to put in a box on a small patrol boat. If Iran sails a bunch of patrol boats with missile-sized boxes around on the Persian Gulf, the situation there would be very dicey for US warships.

Why wouldn't Iran do that?

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Jay August 24, 2011 at 11:15 am

because the US warships could send a few helicopters with M2s and sink them all in minutes before they got into range of our ships?

The likely target for these things is civilian shipping – oil tankers.

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blight August 24, 2011 at 8:22 pm

They'd probably do well hiding these on fishing boats and sneaking them into weapons range near a port.

Get six or seven of these and pop them into a CVN. If CVN has to leave the theater to repair, you've knocked out a CVN for weeks, or months.

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Hunter78 August 25, 2011 at 8:13 pm

The problem is we'd be going into a more precarious balancing act.

Do you want to let these 3rd raters to dictate our responses? If they sent patrol boats with crates on them into the Persian Gulf , you'd sink them in minutes?

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TLAM Strike August 23, 2011 at 4:58 pm

Nothing new, just a C-802 with a different name on it.

Bigger fuel tank I guess, if they put an INS in it and converted it to a LAM then it starts to become interesting.

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blight August 23, 2011 at 5:21 pm

Yeah, I think you're right. C-802s are ~1m wide…though the C-805 has a stated ~500 km range. Maybe it's a domestic version?

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Hunter78 August 23, 2011 at 8:28 pm

1m? How far back on the stage do you think that missile is?

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blight August 23, 2011 at 10:34 pm

Silly me, I misread the units. I saw 36 and thought of inches and converted to meters, it is 36 cm or 0.36 m.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/chin

Wingspan is 1.18 m though…

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TLAM Strike August 23, 2011 at 8:34 pm

The lugs and wing folds etc are exactly 802 as far as I can tell. Can't see the turbojet intake (if any) in the published photos.

If the range figure posed for this new missile is right then its possibly a domestic version of the C-802A or some kind of "Noor+"

There is a better photo of it here: http://www.uskowioniran.com/2011/08/new-iran-defe

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blight August 23, 2011 at 5:36 pm

Food for thought: Might the Iranians try to develop a short-range BM that can deploy sea mines? Fire a BM or a CM over water and use it to seed an area along its trajectory, which might be quicker and more survivable than trying to use a boat, divers, or submarines. It would also allow for rapid laying as part of a first strike or quick area denial.

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TLAM Strike August 24, 2011 at 12:33 am

Problem is that a BM would be tracked by radar and easily charted where it's payload lands. If a bunch of them land in the water they can be located and cleared easily. Iran's BM do not have that much throw weight, a missile like a Scud-D could carry a medium to large sized mine as its payload, or two standard mines (a standard mine is about 1,000 lbs) plus mines have activation radius of about 250 yards so that equals a LOT of mine laying Scuds to close the straits!

A Cruise Missile could carry a small mine like a Manta (~450 lbs), but most naval mines are too heavy.

The Iranians like to put mines on Boston Whaler type boats (I've seen a single mine one and one with four), those could be dangerous. They are small and can blend in at night with the normal surface traffic. Also fishing boats like Dhows would be effective mine layers.

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blight August 24, 2011 at 9:27 am

That said, aren't Iran's mines the classic contact or magnetically detonated types? Nothing like CAPTOR?

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TLAM Strike August 24, 2011 at 6:57 pm

They are reported to have the Chinese EM-52 Rocket Rising Mine. Its like a CAPTOR mine except it doesn't home, it just shoots in the direction of the ship with a solid fuel rocket. They can be laid though submarine torpedo tubes or over the side of a surface ship.

Their Kilos were supplied with a supply of Soviet MDM-6 bottom mines which have acoustic, magnetic and pressure fusing. These are designed to be laid though submarine torpedo tubes.

The rest of their stuff is as you said, contact or magnetic mines. Like the Soviet M-08 (Produced in Iran as the SADAF-02) and MYaM, and Chinese Mao-4.

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Anthony August 23, 2011 at 10:01 pm

Where's a sneaky guy with a match when you need one!

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USAF August 24, 2011 at 2:23 am

The tomahawk missile can go over 200 milieus and it was made in the 70s hmm pretty sad Iran

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blight August 24, 2011 at 9:26 am

Tomahawks are designed for range over speed. They're subsonic and long range; versus many Russian cruise missiles which are /fast/ to quickly speed through enemy CIWS and destroy their targets. For instance, even the older Sunburns could do Mach 6, but their range was <200 miles. It's all about /choices/ in the design phase.

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Gregory Savage August 24, 2011 at 5:09 pm

As far as I know there are no operational hypersonic missiles. Also the Tomahawk range is closer to 1000 miles.

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TLAM Strike August 24, 2011 at 6:45 pm

"As far as I know there are no operational hypersonic missiles."

The Kh-15, NATO Code Name: AS-16 'KICKBACK'

"Also the Tomahawk range is closer to 1000 miles."
The TASM has a range of 250 NMI.
The TLAM-A (Nuke) has a range of 1,350 NMi.
The TLAM-C/E has a range of 900 Nmi
The TLAM-D has a range of 700 Nmi.

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blight August 24, 2011 at 8:20 pm

It's interesting most forces have settled on Mach 3 and below for missile velocities. Brahmos will be promising…

TLAM Strike August 24, 2011 at 6:47 pm

The SUNBURN did only Mach 2.5 to Mach 3.

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blight August 24, 2011 at 8:15 pm

Whoops. You are correct.

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Curious August 24, 2011 at 2:39 pm

What a strange scene that is for a government weapons unveiling: it looks like a low-budget high school auditorium with its wooden podium and stage curtains. And no, missiles and flowers just don’t mix–how peculiar.

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kidwittoothpick August 24, 2011 at 11:10 pm

With those flowers it looks like their at that missles funeral!

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free egyptian August 25, 2011 at 10:28 am

iranians love nature , and thier love for nature is well-rooted in thier persian culture and traditions .i have noticed in most official ceremonies that they decorate the place with flowers and paint the background of the podium or the stage- where the official would deliver his speech- with pictures of the blue sky, birds or flowers .

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free egyptian August 25, 2011 at 10:11 am

i really can't understand the West .on one hand they exaggerate the alleged " threat" posed by iran to the world peace when it launches a space missile, test a long range missile or announce a nuclear achievement , but on the other hand the same west always underestimate and even make fun of the iranian weaponry or nuclear achievement !!!!!! the fact is that iran has succeeded to deter the Americans and the israelis from attacking her . they know well that iran will deliver them a lethal blow in case they think of attacking her . the iranian anti-ship missiles are lethal and the americans know that well .the israeli had a taste of iran's potent anti-ship missiles when Hezboullah targeted thier Hanit ship patrolling the lebanese coast during the 2006 war .in this incident the ship was directly hit and 4 of its crewmen perished.if hezboullah's chinese made missile had hit the ship's ammunition spot on the ship , the whole ship would have been completely destroyed ,killing all the navy soldiers on board

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crackedlenses August 26, 2011 at 4:56 pm

Israel would not want to attack Iran if President Wacka-job would stop going on and on about blowing Israel off the map….

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greg April 17, 2013 at 4:26 pm

when it happens i hope you will be happy

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Daniel_C August 27, 2011 at 2:52 am

The U.S. is a great country because Americans have Freedom

Religion , Communism and Dictatorship produce nothing but retardism and misery , Remember East Germany and compare her with West Germany! , See North Korea and Compare her with south Korea! , also Don’t forget the dark ages . Iran does have a Theocratic Dictator regime but they put their second satellite into orbit and their country has been ranked as the 15th country in global Nanotechnology ranking in 2010 . It’s impressive , I think they can do everything they want with a secular government

Read this article : http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=229486

I read that Ahmadinejad is Jewish , his appearance looks like Semitics (Jews and Arabs) , maybe he wanna deny his Jewish background or maybe he wants to say Look at me and Stop Iran

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6256173/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-revealed-to-have-Jewish-past.html

I don’t know who this weird guy is , It’s sad to see Iran and North Korea run by ignorants

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Elijah August 27, 2011 at 6:02 am

The north wind driveth away rain: so doth an angry countenance a backbitting tongue. Confidence in an unfaithful man in time of trouble is like a broken tooth, and a foot out of joint.

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Lee November 20, 2012 at 2:49 am

Mr. John Reed, You are quite right in your analysis. They are actually made of plastic, and in reality they are toys. Another big news for you to know is that the Iranian Armed Forces are 500 or more years behind the West since they still use black powder! Have a great day in your fantasy land.

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Lionht01 February 10, 2014 at 10:37 am

I believe there will be at least 2 Iranian warships with cruise missile capabilities stationed near New York and D.C. This is to work on their capabilities and support to station them here and get us acclimatized to the being here. Next, in the next 1 to 5 years, the cruise missiles will get nuclear warheads (only need a few).
I do not think, now or in the future, we will be able to guarantee we can shoot those missiles down or keep them from detonating for various reasons. It is all about terror and if we do not do what they want, they may use them. The only thing we could do is force them to stay at least 600 miles out (yes, I know their range is around 150 miles right now). If they cross that boundary, destroy them.

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blight August 23, 2011 at 5:47 pm

"Russia's Morinformsystem-Agat used the MAKS air show to unveil a container-launched cruise missile concept, which it said has already attracted "considerable interest" from potential overseas customers.
To be armed with Novator 3M-54TE "Klub-K" surface-to-surface missiles and dubbed 'Pandora's Box', the design uses a standard 12m (40ft) shipping container, housing two weapons, communications and targeting equipment and a protected cabin for two operators.
After receiving targeting data via satellite while concealed aboard a ship, train or truck, the missiles would be raised to a vertical position using hydraulic rams before being fired.
Armed with a high-explosive penetrating warhead, the Klub-K can be used against land-based targets or surface vessels from a range of up to 270km (145nm)."

Hmm. GLONASS I presume?

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blight August 24, 2011 at 8:20 pm

Then you brand those rioting Americans as terrorists and ship them to the FEMA camps.

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TLAM Strike August 24, 2011 at 8:58 pm

Most have settled for Subsonic. The four most common ASMs in the world are subsonic:
Harpoon
Exocet
Silkworm
C-80X

The Soviets were the big Supersonic ASM developers. Remember that Soviet ASMs flew at high altitudes than their western rivals, allowing for longer range and higher speeds; (high alt is more fuel efficient and less atmospheric friction to cause missiles to over heat (you might not expect it put a Mach 3 missile that flies for a 100 Nmis will get so hot a IR seeker will not work). Greater range means it can be fired from the edge of the carriers CAP, and be harder to intercept except from directly ahead. Downside is that its easier to spot and can be spotted from further away.

Subsonic Sea Skimming missiles have a huge success rate because if they are fired outside of the targets effective range the 1st warning they get is when it shows up in their line of sight, their success rate something around 75% by my count, with the misses being two jammed, one shot down or jammed and one missing because the target was too low in the water.

Only one Soviet type Supersonic ASM has been used to my knowledge (it hit a lightly armed PTG), so its hard to gauge its effectiveness. Although there have been several shoot downs of N-2 series missiles by weapons ranging from Sea Dart, to SA-7s to OTO Breda 76mms to even a .50 cal once.

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HenMan August 26, 2011 at 12:53 pm

I hope that was sarcasm, blight.

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blight August 26, 2011 at 1:21 pm

If they're liberals, it's okay

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orly? August 26, 2011 at 4:03 pm

Everyone with tinfoil believes in the FEMA deathcamps.

Hell, some people are thinking that the NG activation from Hurricane Irene is the mobilization to start herding people into them.

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blight August 26, 2011 at 4:26 pm

The minutemen targeting loyalists was the first step to the death camps

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crackedlenses August 26, 2011 at 4:55 pm

Everyone with a realistic view of the government has no trust and little love for it; I trust Obama to play nice and by the law as far as I can throw him one-handed…..

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