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Pic of the Day: Battlefield Hookah

by John Reed on October 25, 2011

Here’s a great picture of a Libyan rebel straight chillin and smoking a hookah while a truck-mounted anti-aircraft gun roars away behind him. Sometimes you just gotta smoke some shisha.

Congrats to the rebels on winning the fight against Gadhafi. Let’s hope Libyan can now become a stable, functioning country that respects human rights.

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aubrey October 25, 2011 at 3:39 pm

Well, allowing polygamy and banning bank interest was not a good first step

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Adam October 25, 2011 at 4:20 pm

I'll go ahead and disagree, while to our culture those may be far-flung values, they don't necessarily disrespect human rights or contribute to the instability of the country.

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Adam October 25, 2011 at 4:21 pm

also: speaking specifically to those two points, not sharia in general.

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blight October 26, 2011 at 3:20 am

Sharia's a little messy. It shares analogues to the evangelicals.

The ultra-orthodox believe nothing can deviate from the Qu'ran. Similar to how evangelicals today will stone whoever has clothing of mixed fibers, and does not sacrifice doves at temple for any number of sins in Leveticus.

Then there's another degree, where a religious body (a conclave for Christian groups, or the ulema for Muslims) can issue religious decrees (fatwas for the latter) specifying X. Both major sects have varying ideas on how sharia can move beyond literal interpretation of The Word (unlike the literalist Salafis).

Their religious debates closely mirror our own, and the recent revival of ultra-orthodox Salafism is also paralleled by the rise of conservative religious groups here in the United States. However, we have powerful constitutional protections that were inserted by our foresighted forefathers to prevent the potential demagoguery from their successors.

Our ability to influence their religious debates will be challenging. Our best hope is to be available to provide soft power to push an inclusive religious debate. Our dependent relationship on the Middle East gives us mistrust of the Middle East (especially after Arab Oil Crisis). Arabs are equally wary of the fact that they are only on good terms because they have oil.

It's a dysfunctional relationship, and without the issue of Israel you can see how difficult it is to form /trust/.

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Fred October 26, 2011 at 5:48 pm

@Blight – “Similar to how evangelicals today will stone whoever has clothing of mixed fibers, and does not sacrifice doves at temple for any number of sins in Leveticus.”

Name one place where this is happening today?? Evangelicals don’t follow Leviticus, and never had. That’s the “Law” or “Old Testament”, those evil evangelicals you talk about follow the New Testament – which would be Jesus.

No-one was stoned for mixing fibers or sacrificed doves at the temple since ancient times. Islam following nations are stuck in the middle ages and follow the Quran which adds much worse things to the old testament.

Your theology is a little off…

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blight October 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm

The same evangelicals are fixated on marriage and abortion: topics more explicitly covered by the old testament you claim they could care two licks about. They've always been selective; the same as the Salafis who misinterpret the Qu'ran as a message to spread Islam by killing everything with two legs who doesn't pray to Mecca five days a week and doesn't have a beard or a burqa.

blight October 25, 2011 at 9:12 pm

Under Islamic rules, men are only allowed to have as many wives as they can provide for. For instance, Bin Laden senior had up to his maximum of four, plus mistresses because he was stinking rich. Most Muslims have one wife, even when the rules allow for more.

Banning bank interest is unsurprising. Just like the bible has rules about usury and scorn of moneychangers, Islam has some of those same rules.

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Mister Rose October 26, 2011 at 12:58 pm

Polygamy is it's own punishment. Multiple mother-in-laws.

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blight October 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm

A mother in law knows her place, under the iron heel of the father-in-law. God wills it.

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Buzz October 27, 2011 at 10:02 am

No interest bank loans is pure BS. They rename it users fees or rent. Sharia is also very convenient for men who have no morals or conscience. Love the concept of temperary marriages. We sully the concept by calling it prostitution.

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Guest A October 25, 2011 at 3:50 pm

He's on his union break…

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blight October 25, 2011 at 9:13 pm

Are you going to say that American soldiers don't take breaks either? It's tough work, and you can't begrudge people their breaks.

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mhmm... October 25, 2011 at 10:25 pm

Just cause no one has made an officer joke, I’m gonna take the low road
Clearly, he is an officer, supervising from his comfy plastic chair lol

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Nikoli October 26, 2011 at 10:47 am

Yes! Sweetest thing I've heard all day.

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Nicky October 26, 2011 at 1:20 pm

Is he a Teamster's member or AFL CIO

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juan October 25, 2011 at 3:57 pm

Is the last line of the article a joke?

The new Libya is started by sodomizing the leader of the old Libya with a knife.
Stability and human rights aren't on the table. They aren't even in the room.

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jmd123 October 27, 2011 at 10:09 pm

Uh, like this is ANY WORSE than what Gadhafi ordered done to his opposition? You know what they say, "Live by the sword, die by the sword"? How about, "Live as a torturer, DIE by TORTURE"??? Do you REALLY FEEL SORRY for Gadhafi???? If so, I feel sorry for you.

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MadMarine June 5, 2012 at 2:39 am

Is the last line of the article a joke?

NO, but the guy who wrote the last line is….lol..

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Jayson October 25, 2011 at 4:03 pm

They already call for Shia law – making it the old boys club all over again. We sure didn't assist them to form a leadership that reverts back to the stone age idealisms. We'll end up going back there and clearing them up again within 5 years.

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fullspec October 25, 2011 at 6:26 pm

Ya but… Cameron, Sarkozy, and Obama already knew that… there are numerous “undemocratic” states in the middle east and Africa. Dig deeper and maybe you will realize we don’t give a darn about the country’s people. After all, they are not our citizens. Why aren’t we speaking out against these other counties in the region (rhetorical!)

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dddd October 25, 2011 at 4:27 pm

uhhh, what is that guy shooting at?

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So? October 25, 2011 at 5:35 pm

Posing for the camera, like most of the "news footage" from Libya.

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SwissFreek October 25, 2011 at 7:48 pm

Yeah, that's what I wanna know.

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hexadon October 25, 2011 at 9:57 pm

Nothing.

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twidget at large October 26, 2011 at 8:24 am

Something that happens alot over in that word is called "happy fire", which is basicly shooting a weapon on full auto at the sky (can happen for alot of reasons), and when the rounds fall back to earth and kill someone it is allah's will, even better is if there are invaders in the crountry then they'll blame it on them, uasally they just blame the neighoring tribe they've been fighting for centuries. And never you mind that the invaders do not do "happy fire".

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twidget at large October 26, 2011 at 9:38 am

scuse me *world*

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MG October 26, 2011 at 8:55 am

This is actually an old picture, from back when Ghaddafi still had planes

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Nikoli October 26, 2011 at 10:48 am

Well.. hes using an ANTI AIRCRAFT GUN… so maybe somesort of aircraft…

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blight October 26, 2011 at 11:07 am

It's a quad 14.5mm (ZPU-4?) on the back of a truck. The angle is a little low, so I'm not sure what is being aimed at.

Possibilities are:

A) Low-flying or distant aircraft or helicopter, justifying low elevation.
B) Plunging fire on a ground target
C) Random fire.

Considering the people around him aren't running for cover, it's likely not an aircraft coming in for an attack. Nor are they watching whatever is being shot at (which is what they would do it if it were a target; not wanting to miss the fireworks should the target get hit). It's random fire, which is why nobody seems to care about the shooting.

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Bill Co October 27, 2011 at 9:00 am

That was actually my first thougt / question too.. I’m gonna venture a guess that theyre using AA Guns for howitzers… Look how low the trajectory is…

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jmd123 October 27, 2011 at 10:11 pm

Uh, it's the MIDDLE EAST, they just LOVE to waste ammo by firing it in the air. You REALLY weren't aware of this????

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paperpushermj October 25, 2011 at 6:05 pm

"Congrats to the rebels on winning the fight against Gadhafi. Let’s hope Libyan can now become a stable, functioning country that respects human rights".
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Musson1 October 26, 2011 at 10:52 am

rimshot! Budump dump!

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RCDC October 25, 2011 at 6:44 pm

I hope they are now more democratic and converted to Christianity.

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Hunter78 October 25, 2011 at 8:24 pm

Bring back the porn.

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Sev October 25, 2011 at 9:12 pm

Why would ANYONE want a democracy? Its MOB rule. You want a REPUBLIC if you want any hope for human rights and protection of the minority (christians)

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Thomas L. Nielsen October 26, 2011 at 6:54 am

Since when is a republic not a democracy? Did I miss some change in definition?

And why would a republic be better than, say, a constitutional monarchy (such as Denmark or Luxembourg) at protecting minorities?

Please elaborate.

Kind regards,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg (expat Dane)

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Guest A October 26, 2011 at 9:36 am

The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general.

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joe October 27, 2011 at 3:47 am

Democracy – I vote for a decision (declare war yes/no)
Republic – I vote for someone(s) who make that decision (republican/democrat)
Constitutional Monarchy – I vote for someone(s) who make the decision but can be overruled by someone I don't vote for, or vice-versa.

In theory the advantage is 'immunity' to majority oppression since you can put in governing rules of behaviour on the smaller decision-making body. In practice such a theory is drivel – they're no more immune to hatred or paranoia than any other entity (see 1930's Germany, 1960's hollywood, etc, etc)

The other big problem is that by creating the electoral stage you inevitably attract organised bodies whose primary goal is to get, and stay, elected. This leads to the ever present political temptation to do something that plays well in the media rather than something useful.

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joe October 27, 2011 at 3:47 am

In theory (again) this is the advantage of a constitutional Monarchy (or similar), you add into your decision-making a group of people who are answerable to the good of the nation before their own popularity with the electorate – who can be the unpopular types who say "seriously, guys, we do actually have to raise taxes at this point, we're nearly bloody bankrupt."

In practice (again) this also falls over because you have to figure out a way to make someone not concerned for their own re-election without also making them not answerable to anyone if they start acting like imbeciles, and how you garuantee their competence (especially for inherited roles).

Thomas L. Nielsen October 27, 2011 at 1:15 pm

I'm still a bit hazy on this: Where did you get these definitions of "republic" resp. "democracy"?

"In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority" – Indeed? Ever heard of something called a "constitution"?

"Its [the republic's] purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights"
Right. The following nations are republics (defined as "the head of state being not a monarch and usually a president", according to Webster's):
-China
-North Korea
-Laos
-Belarus

And of course minorities are really, really safe in these countries, right?

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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ohreally October 27, 2011 at 5:47 pm

The United States is a democratic republic…

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Thomas L. Nielsen October 28, 2011 at 2:01 am

Democratic? Didn't you read Sev's comment above? That's MOB RULE!

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

blight October 28, 2011 at 2:05 am

A democracy, tempered by civil liberties and respect for the rights of the minority is the best way.

The purest form of democracy may well be anarchy, especially in the face of refusal to compromise to create common ground.

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Thomas L. Nielsen October 28, 2011 at 4:30 am

"Democracy may only be one step removed from anarchy, but at least it's not as loud".
Unknown.

"Democracy is the worst possible form of government. Except for all the others that have been tried".
Winston Churchill (I think….)

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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DSlo October 25, 2011 at 11:16 pm

"The new Libya is started by sodomizing the leader of the old Libya with a knife."
Really?

Milspec- we are speaking out against plenty of other countries in the region, particularly Syria. There just isn't the breadth of support to do anything more robust in those countries.

As for the bill – we'll get more secure oil flow again, and I'm sure the new government will send favourable contracts our way. Quid pro quo. A great success all round – we could have turned a blind eye and let Gaddafi kill his own people. The new country won't be perfect, but it looks like it will be better than the last lot.

And as for the guy with the AAA gun – clearly just blasting at nothing, like most of the rebels for most of the war. Frightening – the government will have a job getting all these weapons out of play and ensuring stability. Still, at least he's not blasting a crowd of civilians (hopefully)…

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paperpushermj October 26, 2011 at 1:03 pm

DSIo
You made some provocative points that if you could clarify it would be nice?
a) Didn't know the flow of oil was unsecured until NATO (US) got involved in their Civil Insurrection.
b) A Countries gratitude stops at the Bank Door. Saying thank You cost nothing.
c) Please save the "We did it to Protect the Libyan people" from the bad dictator for the nieve.
d) How does this Administration choose sides without know anything, nada, zip nothing about who represents our "quote" SIDE
e) Could the reason for the intervention and subsequent Butchering of Gaddafi and Sons be tied to the $33 to $200 Billion that the Gaddafi Family is reported to have squirreled away. With the connection of the Gaddafis to the $$$ dead( literally) how much will simply go POOF

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Michael Gene October 26, 2011 at 12:38 am

The muslim idea of human rights are very different from ours, expect the beheadings and mutilations to start very soon. My advise to what remains of the Christians in Libya is beat a hasty exit ASAP.

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So? October 26, 2011 at 4:09 am

The beheadings and mutilations were there from the beginning. This is pretty much all that the "rebels" are capable of sans NATO air support.
http://www.obamaslibya.com/

Black Africa *imports* mercenaries. Who in their right mind would hire a black African mercenary, unless he happens to be an American as well? Libya used to import a lot of black African labor, though.

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greysave October 26, 2011 at 9:39 am

Because they are cheap and ruthless. They also Have been for hundreds of years

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blight October 26, 2011 at 11:12 am

"Black Africa imports mercenaries": meaning Sierra Leone imports Executive Outcomes guys to get things done? And stuff like that? If anything, those "mercenaries" are often whites from Africa's colonial past who were on the losing end of various "liberation" movements. Can't see them hiring tons of those guys any time soon. A mercenary isn't loyal to the locals, he's loyal to the dollar and saving his own skin. When the local army turns against you, mercenaries are likely to disappear to save their own lives. Even dictators know this.

"Who in their right mind would hire a black African mercenary, unless he happens to be an American as well?" Didn't you say Black Africa imported mercenaries? When did they become an exporter of black african mercenaries?

"Libya used to import a lot of black labor" Yep. Tuareg if I recall correctly. He supported their independence movements in the '80s, which endeared him to many and he used the opportunity to stack his praetorian guard with them. Hence many black Africans were assumed to be Gaddafi loyalists and were dealt with in a grisly fashion.

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So? October 26, 2011 at 5:32 pm

You're a North African dictator. You have money. Would your hire some bums from Sierra Leone or Nigeria for your security?

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blight October 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm

North Africa is not "Black Africa".

Chris Shaffer October 26, 2011 at 1:37 am

The new regime will no doubt not conform to international norms that we expect it too, but who cares as long as Gadhafi is dead and we dont have to live with the embarrassment of Tony Blair appeasing him anymore. Check this blog with similar stories. http://coldwarcontinues.blogspot.com/

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oxide October 26, 2011 at 1:41 am

"Congrats to the rebels on winning the fight against Gadhafi. Let’s hope Libyan can now become a stable, functioning country that respects human rights"
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By far the most ignorant and stupid quote I have ever heard on this website.!!

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ahmad October 26, 2011 at 1:56 am

1-There are no Christians or Shia in Libya Only Sunni Muslims such as Saudi Arabia and We respect all religions Libyans are not like Gaddafi or bin Laden, we hate them .

2-sodomizing the leader Was done with a stick not a knife The young man who did it Because his sister was raped by the son of Gaddafi When his troops were besieging Misurata Yes it is wrong, but the young man thought he could take revenge in this way.

3-I did not know Americans hate Arabs and Libyans remember, we are human beings like you in the eyes of God. Thank you for your help.

ahmad – libya

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blight October 26, 2011 at 3:12 am

Most of the sites say that the data isn't taken and that the Shia are an extreme minority. Most agree on less than 5 percent, and many say around 1.5 percent.

In any case, many Americans here indiscriminately hate all Muslims for historical reasons. Some think Muslims are a threat to western civilization since the Umayyad/Abbassid caliphates and the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire. Others take strong positions because of the more recent history of the Middle East, relating to the formation of Israel. And still others, who could not find a Muslim country on a map before 9/11 hate Muslims (and people who "look Muslim", to include Sikhs) because of the attacks by Hezbollah in the '80s, WTC '92, khobar towers, twin embassies, the USS Cole and the Twin Towers, and presumably now Nidal Hasan.

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ahmad libya October 27, 2011 at 6:37 pm

تظنون ان القاعدة تهاجم فقط الغرب نحن ايضاً عانينا من هجمات القاعدة عندما القذافي اصبح صديق للغرب وتوقف عن دعمهم من الاسلحة والمال مجرد دمية في يد ايران وسورية لا تقلق من بعض الاسلاميين المتشددين نحن سوف نتكفل بهم لان الارهاب في ليبيا انتها مثل نهاية قذافي

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ahmad libya October 27, 2011 at 6:40 pm

Do you think that al-Qaeda attack only the West we also suffered from al-Qaeda attacks when Gaddafi became a friend of the West and stop their support of weapons and money is just a puppet in the hands of Iran and Syria do not worry about some of the radical Islamists we will take care to them because of terrorism in Libya, expiring like the end of Gaddafi

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Jay October 27, 2011 at 7:56 am

ahmad, we don't hate Libyans at all. We just spent billions of dollars and risked lives to help you guys get rid of gadafi!

We are worried that the leaders you will pick will hate us, and Libya will become like a big Lebanon or Gaza and breed terrorists. We already know that some of the rebels are al-qaeda guys, and we kept that quiet and worked with them anyway. We don't want them in charge of Libya and using Libya's oil money to promote terrorism.

PS how many libyans have internet? what city are you in?

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Fred October 28, 2011 at 7:23 pm

We have gained nothing in Libya except spent a lot of US dollars to help create another terrorist nation. Libya has already declared that they will base their government on Sharia Law.

This is happening in all these "Arab-Spring" revolutions. Dictators are bad, Terrorists are worse…

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William C. October 26, 2011 at 6:02 am

Looking at these rebels… how the hell did they win, even with NATO air support bombing all of Gaddafi's tanks?

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Joe Schmoe October 26, 2011 at 6:49 am

Who said that Gaddafi's troops were any more competent?

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blight October 26, 2011 at 11:14 am

Or that the majority of the Libyan army didn't just desert or withdraw to desert bases to sit the war out? All we've seen is irregular forces firing rockets and getting hit, but we've never seen the "defectors" of the Libyan army and air force fighting. Does that mean they got the job done out of sight and out of mind?

Then again, the real breakthroughs only occured when rebels came out of the west and took Gaddafi forces from the rear. Before then, it was all talk of stalemates.

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J Weich October 27, 2011 at 12:48 am

NATO leaders reckoned it would take 2 weeks. It took 8 months. The Libyan army was obviously a lot better than they thought.

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Jay October 27, 2011 at 7:59 am

no, NATO was worse then they thought. If the USA did not provide C3I, targeting intel and munitions the Euros would still be at it for years

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STemplar October 26, 2011 at 1:28 pm

Probably the hundreds of Qatari troops on the ground running the integrating comm systems with NATO and helping lay battle plans with the rebels.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8062466&am

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blight October 26, 2011 at 2:27 pm

Well there you go, the Arabs did send troops after all.

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joe October 27, 2011 at 3:58 am

Good. If they actually take an active interest in rebuilding the place, it will make a hell of a difference…

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HiPowerGuy July 2, 2013 at 4:20 pm

Hey William

I will tell you a little secret….there was MORE than just a little air support there…hahahahahah BA LIEVE DAT!Q!!! hahahahahaha

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ahmad libya October 26, 2011 at 10:34 am

I told you before you do not know Libya

This picture is Tripoli Street in Misurata, Gaddafi forces Bombed the street with Grad rockets and artillery for three months NATO aircraft did not intervene in the street, I am sure of this I have relatives who live in this street .

You say that Libya was stable How Libya was stable Through mass executions Execution of 1200 in two hours and broadcast on state television In order to scare all the people I hope that Gaddafi is burning in hell you do not know Libya
Look for Tripoli Street in Google

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Greed October 26, 2011 at 11:04 am

I'll go with the man who knows the street, and has relatives that lives there. It's a crap shoot at best, as to how this will all end, and I'm sure the US has it's own ideas about how Libya should proceed.
Besides the oil, which is the main interst; lets see how much new military hardware the US and other countries will try to sell Libya.

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Daedalus October 26, 2011 at 12:51 pm

As if we were there to promote democracy or a benign government.
We were there for only one reason, to stop the possibility of gold-backed currency affecting the oil markets.

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wyhunter11 October 26, 2011 at 1:03 pm

What is that weapon? I was thinking 23mm like off a ZSU23-4.

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blight October 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZPU

Likely a 14.5mm. Flash suppressor and the boxes at the bottom of the unit.

Trying to figure out if they made a ZU-23-4. All I can find is a ZU-23-2, which is the two barrel variant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZU-23-2

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blight October 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm

The ZSU-23-4 as far as I can tell was never used in an exposed turret setting like in the image, just in the SPAAG form. Could be wrong though…

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Jim October 26, 2011 at 1:54 pm

Just because there is a war on there is no need to forego the creature comforts.

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HiPowerGuy July 2, 2013 at 4:22 pm

You GOT IT Jim…..just because of all the mayhem, murder, atrocities, and such, you have to be able to KICK BACK A LITTLE…other wise, you would go MAD and do stupid things.

BALANCE…its allllllllll about life BALANCE :-)

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Lance October 26, 2011 at 2:44 pm

Hay even Al Qaeda terrorist like the Libyan rebels must chill every once in a while too bad Obama supported one bad guy against another bad guy in the end US loses every time.

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paperpushermj October 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm

DSIo
You made some provocative points that if you could clarify it would be nice?
a) Didn't know the flow of oil was unsecured until NATO (US) got involved in their Civil Insurrection.
b) A Countries gratitude stops at the Bank Door. Saying thank You cost nothing.
c) Please save the "We did it to Protect the Libyan people" from the bad dictator for the nieve.
d) How does this Administration choose sides without know anything, nada, zip nothing about who represents our "quote" SIDE
e) Could the reason for the intervention and subsequent Butchering of Gaddafi and Sons be tied to the $33 to $200 Billion that the Gaddafi Family is reported to have squirreled away. With the connection of the Gaddafis to the $$$ dead( literally) how much will simply go POOF

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blight October 26, 2011 at 8:13 pm

If the money is well-hidden, the Swiss will never "find" it and it'll just sit there, making interest for them.

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paperpushermj October 26, 2011 at 10:55 pm

I asure you the reports of any where from $33 to $200 Billion is not just in Swiss Banks. I think those who have the ear of those Politicians that pushed for War not only know where a Fortune is, but a bribe of say $30 Million could make paperwork or in this case a paper trail to certain accounts go POOF

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paperpushermj July 2, 2013 at 9:35 pm

You're forgetting "Where there is a Will there is a Way" I don't know how many accounts with say Billions in it show no activity, no money in or out, no inquires about it, no nothing. For all we know it could have in cash on pallets just covered in plastic. Just sitting there with only a paper trail leading to now a dead man.

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HiPowerGuy July 2, 2013 at 4:26 pm

$33 to $200 Billion…..wow……almost like the Palestininies ( spelling ?? ) money that went POOF when Arafat died…..WHO is benefiting from the INTEREST on all that money!! Jeeeessshhhh….life REALLY IS UNFAIR sometimes :-)

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J Weich October 27, 2011 at 12:56 am

Hopefully, they got the 140 billion in Libyan gold down to friendly countries further south. That way the western "bankers" (you know who I mean) won't get ahold of it, and it will be of use to a future, less naive and hopefully less externally manipulated Libyan population.

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HiPowerGuy July 2, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Ya know, when I was a kid, I really never stood a chance. I could have set my goals on working on Wall Street, stealing HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars, and not going to jail.
Damn, what an idiot….I could have been sooo much better off if I was born into a wealthy family, given a FREE college edumacation and then legacied into a WALL STREET job….yeah….life is NOT FAIR!! :-)

MOM…DAD….its ALL YOUR FAULT!!!!! Rest in peace!! :-) but I still love you two.

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RIpete October 27, 2011 at 12:49 pm

Celebrate and congratulate? Now women have no rights under Islamic law _ who's writing your script Obama or H.Clinton?

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Infidel4LIFE October 27, 2011 at 2:21 pm

religion and government don't mix well. Ahmad US warplanes and personnel helped you gain ur freedom. Its up to you and ur ppl to determine wat direction ur country takes. Also, we intervened in Bosnia, Kosovo, saving thousands of moslems. In return, those same ppl were turning up dead and captured in Iraq. How short moslem memories are, wen its convienient for THEM.

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Fred October 28, 2011 at 7:19 pm

Libya already declared that their government would be based on Sharia law and at least one government building is flying an Al-Queda's flag.

Persecution of non-muslims in Egypt started right after their dictator was ousted, expect this soon in Libya. Congrats Obama and NATO, you just created another Somalia…

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Steve October 30, 2011 at 4:08 am

Congrats to the rebels on winning the fight against Gadhafi. Let’s hope Libyan can now become a stable, functioning country that [b]sells us their oil[/b].

;)

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That GUY December 5, 2011 at 2:13 pm

o sorry i think that was my hookah i left the last rammadan

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Mike January 5, 2012 at 8:28 pm

A little "hubbly-bubbly" sure does make his day a little smoother…

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Thomas L. Nielsen October 26, 2011 at 7:01 am

True. Dictatorships, however, do tend to be both stable (as in "not much happening politically", since the same guy remains in charge) and functional (as in "the country works, on a day to day basis").

The British colonies in the new world (you know the ones I refer to….) were pretty stable and functioning as well, until the revolution.

One can only hope that someone in Libya (or elsewhere) has some idea of what should happen next. One day it's "Hooray, the Evil Tyrant is no more", dancing in the streets, etc., and the next day it's people complaining about the trash not being picked up and "at least you could find a parking space when the Evil Tyrant was in charge".

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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ahmad libya October 26, 2011 at 10:32 am

I told you before you do not know Libya

This picture is Tripoli Street in Misurata, Gaddafi forces Bombed the street with Grad rockets and artillery for three months NATO aircraft did not intervene in the street, I am sure of this I have relatives who live in this street .

You say that Libya was stable How Libya was stable Through mass executions Execution of 1200 in two hours and broadcast on state television In order to scare all the people I hope that Gaddafi is burning in hell you do not know Libya

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So? October 26, 2011 at 8:44 pm

Did I say any different?

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J Weich October 27, 2011 at 12:49 am

“The British colonies in the new world (you know the ones I refer to….) were pretty stable and functioning as well, until the revolution.”

The largest one, Canada, still is.

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HiPowerGuy July 2, 2013 at 4:11 pm

Thomas, you make an interesting, and honest assessment, however I am not sure how many people will see it that way :-). Honesty sometimes is not welcome in the Western world also…hahahahaha

It seem , well, not funny, but, not sure of the word I am looking for BUT, when these countries tip the balance, and the western powers that be HAVE to help them to maintain a line of contact-connection ( oil anyone :-) it is never pretty.

But somehow, we get the idea that they WANT or NEED Democracy,….and that is so far off the mark. But, I guess there has to be a goal t justify the intervention, oh well. Better there than here I say.

JB

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blight October 28, 2011 at 2:10 am

Interesting. Never let go of the dream of rule by and for the people, and of a government that protects and respects all peoples. At this point, Libya and Libyans will probably bow out of the public sphere and set to rebuilding the country.

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Fred October 28, 2011 at 7:14 pm

LOL, that is quite a jump – you didn't answer what I wrote. Where are Evangelicals stoning people and people sacrificing doves at the temple?

Geepers the Temple hasn't existed in a couple thousand years. Islam is doing this stone age crap TODAY. Oh, and no doves will be sacrificed anytime soon at Israel's Holiest site, the Temple Mount, because Muslims bulldozed the site and built abominations on it!

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