The Downed RQ-170 and Hezbollah

This could be pure speculation but it’s worth pointing out. Iran claims to have downed an RQ-170 stealth drone intact using electronic warfare techniques. Just last month, the Wall Street Journal reported on rumors that Hezbollah, Iran’s proxy in Lebanon may have captured an Israeli drone using similar techniques.

No one can recall the last time that an Israeli drone malfunctioned over Lebanon and crashed, and there were no reports of antiaircraft fire. The Israelis have said nothing. Neither has Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group and arch foe of Israel. The [UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon] is now abuzz with speculation that Hezbollah may have found a way of electronically disabling drones.

If true, the Iranians and their allies would have to have figured out how to break into the UAV’s encrypted satellite communications or use some sort of magnetic pulse to fly the planes electronics. Doing so would require “a tremendous leap” in technical ability from 2008, when Iranian-backed insurgents in Iraq where tapping into unsecured video feeds from American drones there, as one source tells DT.

Still, as Trimble points out, Iran just received the 1L222 Avtobaza radar jammers designed to detect and jam side-looking airborne radars, targeting radars in air-to-ground missiles, and an aircraft’s terrain following radars. Its ability to mess with the guidance systems of air-to-ground missiles would be very useful in defending against UAVs. While this system might be operational in Iran, it’s a stretch to think that this tech has already been shipped more than 600 miles from Iran to Lebanon in time to down the Isreali drones. Also, the Avtobaza is fairly old technology that might have a hard time against 21st Century stealth jets like the RQ-170.

Meanwhile, reports claiming that Israel is deliberatley crashing its UAVs in Lebanon counter the notion that Iran has developed and shared the key to taking over its enemies drones remotely.

From the UK’s Telegraph newspaper:

Mr Silverstein quotes an Israeli source with “considerable military experience and IDF military intelligence” claiming that the drone was crashed deliberately and that Hizbollah militants fell for the so-called Trojan Horse trick.

In his version of events, Shia militants discovered the fallen recognisance craft and took it back to their base for investigation. Israel is aware that Hizbollah has been working for more than a year to gather sufficient intelligence to enable their engineers to scramble Israeli surveillance technology.

In the Shia militants’ eagerness to analyse the prized drone, however, the fighters failed to detect an explosive device concealed within it, which was detonated remotely on Wednesday evening.

So, it’s still unclear if there’s any connection between Iran’s claims of downing an RQ-170 — Tehran has yet to provide proof they have the UAV — and speculation that Hezbollah used EW to down an Isreali drone. Still, it’s worth paying attention to.

28 Comments on "The Downed RQ-170 and Hezbollah"

  1. Awesome post!

  2. And what tie to the recent keystroke logging bug that was found in the UAV controller's software . . .

  3. I dont see how they could use a magnetic pulse to fly the aircraft as stated in article. Possibly a microwave weapon disabed the aircraft like a stun gun, as I suspect a high usage of electric motors vs haudraulics. If I stun a man he falls, possibly slightly controlled, but I do not control his nerves so that he sits through my commands. That is a big difference in technical ability to control and fly an aircraft vs intercept a video feed or jam its control motors.

  4. I heard on the radio that it crashed into the side of a mountain, it wasn’t “taken down”

  5. Win, Lose, or Drone!!!

    Don't Drone me, Bro!!!

  6. TECHNOLOGY – tech·nol·o·gy [ tek nólləjee ]
    1. application of tools and methods
    2. method of applying technical knowledge
    3. machines and systems
    -OR-
    1. something that creates as many problems as it fixes

  7. This is why drones are never going to fully replace manned aircraft. They are wholly dependent on external electronic communication to function, and as EW technology progresses, those external communications will never be completely secure. You need a human pilot whose capable of improvising and making sound judgements when isolated, who not only understands the current battle plan, but how that plan might have to be modified to achieve evolving mission goals in an ever-changing combat environment. Same goes for the grunts on the ground, they have to be able to make sound strategic decisions when their C4 networks go on the fritz.

    No amount of technology will ever be able to replace good people on the front lines.

  8. Quote: "Doing so would require “a tremendous leap” in technical ability from 2008"

    You guys smell something? I'm smelling something Russian right now?

    I'm thinking that using unmanned vehicles to replace manned vehicles just got pushed back several years.

    I also think this is also why we shouldn't buy the F-35. If one of them got shot down all our technology would be up for grabs at the crash site.

  9. While I doubt that the public will ever get the complete/truthful version of events (not that they necessarily need to), hopefully the military will know enough of what happened, as that future drones – ie X47 – can be engineered (both physically and electronically) to overcome drone counter measures.

  10. Got to love a self destruct device.

  11. Resistance is futile, we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.

    hahahaha

  12. Perhaps the wakeup call/reality check that the drone-phile community needs so they quit trying to force the idea of "drones are the future of aerial warfare" down our throats.

    In any case, i doubt Iran has much of anything. They definitely did not capture it "intact". The damned thing was flying miles up into the air, it would have wrecked itself in the fall… The alternative is that the situation is far worse than anyone is letting on, and Iran in fact found a way to hijack control of the system and bring it in for a landing at one of their airfields (doubt it).

  13. Perhaps it just achieved sentience and went off to do it’s own thing.

  14. What manned air craft, the F-35? How would the raptor fare in the new conflict enviornment? What we need is a stealthy, fast bomber able to take DEW. I'm not sure our government is going to spend the money anytime soon. Remember, the two blasts in Iran were not delivered from the sky.

    We should consider ground spybots with a definite self destruct switch.

  15. I think it is time for Iran to have a nuclear "accident".

  16. Reading the forbidden Wikipedia:

    On the basis of the few publicly-available photographs of the RQ-170, aviation expert Bill Sweetman has assessed that the UAV is equipped with an electro-optical/infrared sensor and possibly an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar mounted in its belly fairing. He has also speculated that the two fairings over the UAV's wings may house datalinks and that the belly and above wing fairings could be designed for modular payloads, allowing the UAV to be used for strike missions and electronic warfare.

    Which cites http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/inde

    What kind of techs would be "marketable" by Iran?

    -Engine technology. The United States remains at the lead in engine technology (thanks GE/PW).

    -Avionics. Also top-notch. Euro stuff could be competitive, and perhaps in some places, it is competitive.

    -Stealth coatings. The PRC already has stealth coating samples from the Pakistani helicopter. The Russians (maybe Chinese?) have F-117 coating and comparatively intact airframe componentry.

    -Satcom equipment. The Russians don't have the infrastructure to tele-operate UAVs (maybe I'm wrong?), so maybe they haven't put a lot into investing in the receiver equipment. Might be a leg up here with the right pieces.

  17. AvWeek has some blurbs on UCAS: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_gene

    The first of two X-47Bs completed Block 1 envelope-expansion flight tests at Edwards AFB, Calif., on Nov. 17, and air vehicle 1 (AV-1) is to be shipped to Pax River by year-end to begin Block 2 carrier-suitability testing, including land-based catapult launches and arrested landings. The second X-47B, AV-2, made its first flight at Edwards on Nov. 22.

    In 16 sorties since its initial flight on Feb. 4, AV-1 has expanded the envelope to 220 kt. airspeed and 15,000 ft. altitude—a task that was originally expected to take a year and require 49 flights. “AV-2 will continue to expand the envelope, and when it ships [to Pax River] all the necessary corners to go to the carrier will have been cleared,” says Carl Johnson, Northrop Grumman vice president and UCAS-D program manager.

    While gathering flying-qualities data, AV-1 has flown simulated carrier approaches at altitude. “All X-47B flight-test data look very good and will support our carrier demonstration objectives,” says Capt. Jaime Engdahl, Navy UCAS program manager. “We found no technical issues during any of the flights and it took considerably less flight time than predicted to execute all of our planned test points.” As a result, AV-2 could be moved to NAS Pax early, in spring 2012.

    The speed of envelope expansion is due in part to the accuracy and predictability with which the 62.1-ft.-wingspan X-47B executes the preprogrammed test points. But it is also due to Northrop’s familiarly with its signature cranked-kite planform, and to extensive modeling and simulation. Engdahl says the aircraft simulation model accounts for about a third of the 3.4 million lines of software code for the UCAS-D program.

    I'm weirded out by the subsequent paragraphs about using more simulations for testing…

  18. You would think that if Iran did capture the RQ-170 intact, they would have paraded the thing around and had plenty of pictures for propaganda purposes…certainly that would be quite an achievement for them…however, with reports of the US gov't discussing options to destroy the craft and not doing so, maybe suggests it was in Iranian hands and they were not ready to start a conflict over this? If the drone is crashed in a remote location in Iran I'd certainly send a cruise missle after it, but that's me….and I doubt it landed anywhere near a populated area. I feel like that would have resulted in civilians or press taking some snapshots and getting footage which probably would have been leaked by now…

  19. Wow, lot of UAV haters here. What did you say after our 'Manned" SR-71 Spy-plane piloted by Powers was shot down?

    See now we have pieces of a UAV, not a POW situation…much less risky.

  20. all of you looking panic regard this case. posiblle iranian army have technology to hijack the flight

  21. the possibility of a booby trapped uav is an old joke now hizbullah is a highly intel-tech capable militia robert baer quoted " the hizbullah is as good as the kgb "

  22. This is just a demo for US & Israel the technology that Iran & Hezbullah have is way much more, its a simple letter we know were you are, what you doing , we can down u at anytime its just a matter of action to be taken, for you who said u don't believe Iran had it watch TV today and sure non of the US news watch Iran news and u will see it…..

  23. “آمريكا هيچ غلطي نمي تواند بكند”

  24. REALLY FOLKS…. You haven't figured out it was intentional on our part so our computer viruses would be uploaded to their computer systems while they (Iran) think they are downloading encrypted intel to hand over to China?

  25. It was a U-2, not an SR-71.

  26. Hizb +1 the ***** 0

    =D

  27. I meant the kayek, not *****

    =D

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