
Twenty years after the American military left the Philippines, the Pentagon wants back in the former U.S. colony.
Yup, this whole strategic shift to Asia means that the DoD faces the prospect of fighting from a limited number of bases in the Western Pacific; think Hawaii, Guam, Japan and South Korea, oh, and the Marines relatively tiny new base in Australia.
The problem with this, defense planing-types worry, is that China’s new generation of long range ballistic missiles can take out this handful of bases with relative ease. The solution, create a network of dispersal bases at old World War Two and Cold War facilities that are scattered throughout the islands of the Pacific. American planes, ships and troops could deploy to these bare bones facilities during times of heightened tension, making it harder for an enemy to knock out U.S. troop concentrations and facilities.
(Yes, there’s been a limited U.S. presence in the southern Philippines aimed at helping the local government defeat Islamic terrorists but this sounds bigger than that.)
News that the Pentagon wants more access to Philippine ports and airfields seems to reflect this thinking. The DoD doesn’t want to build new permanent bases, but it does want to guarantee that its planes and ships have access to Philippine airfields and ports for training, refuling, resupply and repairs, according to Rueters.
The Pentagon also wants to base a small number of P-3 Orion spy planes in the Philippines and transfer more weapons to the island nation which is growing concerned with China’s expanding military presence in the oil-rich South China Sea.
Keep in mind, this comes just after Pentagon officials revealed during their 2013 budget briefing press conference that the Navy will be basing Littoral Combat Ships in Singapore; the tiny yet powerful state that was known as the Gibraltar of the East due to its strategic location at the end of the Strait of Malacca, one of the worlds most important shipping lanes.
Here’s what the Reuters article has to say:
“It’s access, not bases,” a foreign affairs department official familiar with the strategic dialogue told Reuters.
“Our talks focus on strengthening cooperation on military and non-military activities, such as disaster response and humanitarian assistance, counter-terrorism, non-proliferation. There were no discussions about new U.S. bases,” he said.
These activities would allow the U.S. military more access in the Philippines, stretching its presence beyond local military facilities and training grounds into central Cebu province or to Batanes island near the northern borders with Taiwan.
U.S. ships and aircraft are seeking access for re-supply, re-fueling and repairs, not just for goodwill visits, exercises and training activities, the diplomat said.
The Philippines was ruled by the United States for nearly five decades between the departure of the Spanish and the Japanese occupation during the Second World War, and is now one of its foremost allies in Asia, despite expelling the U.S. from its former military bases at Clark and Subic Bay in 1992.
Since 1987, the Philippine constitution has explicitly banned a permanent foreign military presence. But Washington maintains close military ties under a 1951 defense treaty, and its special forces have been helping the Philippine military combat Islamic militants in the south of the country since 2002.
A Filipino diplomat said Washington’s expanding presence is allowed under the under a 1998 Visiting Forces Agreement and a 2002 Mutual Logistics Support Agreement.









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Is the "Fire Empire" still there???
For now, the American Empire is the only empire allowed. Any challenger will face strategic encirclement and covert sabotage, followed by military invasion.
I love you ..no $hit – GI……
This is a smart move and a good development. Making friends and influencing people, that's the name of the game.
This makes complete sense. Its a good move and as long as there are countries that will let us transfer supplies and aircraft to those locations lieu of an attack on our current bases it will make the retaliation easier.
Good thinking Pentagon.
America (and its Allies) = Winning against China
Next step, reanimate General MacArthur.
Jay, just a bit of a twist to your final line:
America (and its allies) = convincing China that cooperation with us is better for them in the long run
Your (collective) misguided philosophy and twisted logic aside, the sheer detachment from reality and the glaring failure to learn from history serve as a tried and true indicator that the US is on its way to a spectacular collapse. The higher the number of people like you in the US, the better the chance of the collapse.
As a matter of fact, you are living in the downward spiral leading to the final collapse right now. Its just that you are too blind to see it.
Back to Subic Bay and Clark AFB? Heh. And Wheelus (now an airport in Libya)…
Suddenly things are starting to feel very retro.
Might it be too early to think that we might turn Vietnam against China one day?
Vietnam already hates China, it's more a matter of how much access will they give us. There have already been some minor exercises last summer. I think how much Vietnam chooses to partner with us is probably up to China. If they continue the bullying tactics on the various island issues, I would expect Vietnam would be more than happy to engage in more joint ops.
The irony is killing me. We're circling China again.
Well it seems like the world is focusing on China and trying to defend against it once it snaps. There was a report not to long ago that stated they (China) cannot support the growing middle class due to their economy being based off paying the lower class 15 cents an hour in the next 15-20 years. It's possible another Japanese WWII episode happening ith China. You're right it is ironic, but they may be getting desperate here in the next 10-20 years and we as the Big Brother of the little world will need to defend against it.
I suspect the angle with Vietnam is to strengthen our relationship with China's other historical and natural adversary India, and leverage India as a proxy to support and strengthen Vietnam. Probably a little early for direct support.
The Indian military is unlikely to support us directly. We will however be likely to depend on keeping our lines to the Pacific clear, and that suggests a greater use for the Phillippines in the near future.
I would go back to Clark AFB its still covered in ash from the volcano. Build a new base south of Manila.
How about Basa? Clark is now in an economic development zone. I don't think the Filipinos would give it up for our use. Also, I don't think they would allow us to gobble up some land for a new base. I say use what they have and improve upon it.
Junior enlisted all over the world applaud the decision to move away from islamist crapholes to forward bases with a good supply of quality hookers.
Meanwhile a lot of Filipino families can't wait to find a love starved GI to marry their daughters and get that trip out of there.
That’s why they kicked us out in the first place lol
It was the constant rapes. It does not make us popular. I imagine that's why Japan wants the Marines to stay in Okinawa, and to minimize the size of the garrison on the mainland.
Don't have the numbers for the 2 ID in Korea.
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Senior enlisted appluad it, too. It's hard to count the number of old AF and Navy SNCOs who sigh whistfully at the memory of the Phillipines.
Does this include the number who married Filipinos? It probably helps that the United States did its killing in the 1900's and overthrew the Japanese who did their killing in the '40s.
Subic Bay 2012?
"….who married Filipinos". I'm not 100% up on languages, but shouldn't that be "….who married FilipinAs"? Or is that one of those don't-ask-don't-tell things?
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Probably. Since we all know American servicewomen don't come to the Philippines looking for "love".
Instead of putting money into weapons and moving hardware into the area I think that we should focus our efforts more on the economic war that we are waging with China.
This is a part of economic war mate, US preventing China to own the whole south china sea, it's a strategic location both militarily and economically.
At the risk of trolling here, let me just say that the claim that Obama administration exercises a "weak" foreign policy holds less water by the day: an excellent political/military balancing act against China; installing the foundations of a comprehensive ballistic missile defense network in Europe, right in Russia's face; isolating Iran to an unprecedented extent; expanding our military presence in East and Central Africa; reinforcing military ties with virtually every Gulf country in a balancing act against Iran; signing civil nuclear deals with an increasing number of partners; etc. Obama's FP isn't the best, but it ain't bad under the circumstances.
I agree. Also, don't forget killing OBL.
I raise a flag there, UBL was killed by a military that Bush built and with intelligence gathered by things like Gitmo, the place candidate Obama promised to close within a year of being elected.
But Michelle is reworking the menu at our military bases and the importance of that cannot be underestimated!
/s
This is especially important since the US Military Police school at Ft. Leonard Wood teaches that the average Gitmo detainee gained over 40lbs during their stay("the horror"), in addition to raising there LDL/HDL and BMI scores to very unhealthy levels. I'd hate for the UN or world court to issue "war crimes" warrants for Army Cooks. But these days anything is possible.
The Taliban and Saddam was deposed with the much-maligned Clinton military.
Would that be the military that wasn't prepared for IEDs and though a "lighter footprint" would be a good idea in Iraq? Or the could it be the one made of Bush appointees that pulled their head out of their @$$es and launched a surge to clear the Sunni triangle, ya know, the surge that Senator Obama voted against and then duplicated as President in Stan.
I raise a flag, too! Because the only evidence that UBL was killed with information from Gitmo is that a few ex-Bush officials said on the news that KSM spit out the alias of the courier. That may or may not be true. If it is, the real break came (I think, I could be wrong) when the NSA found out his real name. So I guess it goes both ways. Like a bisexual.
Either way, intel that was developed by agencies program and task forces organized under the bush admin, and maligned by Senator/candidate Obama.
I just find it funny the Obama admin takes sole credit for anything that goes well, and anything that doesn't they inherited and their supporters do the same.
I haven’t seen the Obama administration take full credit. They’ve taken some, and clearly deserve it.
Also, every administration works with resources provided by their predecessors in every branch of government and every segment of society. FDR probably deserves some credit. Marconi deserves credit for the communication system used by the operators. We could go back to Napoleon or the inventors of the wheel, Thank you all for helping us stop OBL!
That makes sense – since they were supposed to capture him and screwed up. Just the sort of screwed up that Bush specialized in.
Couldnt agree more. Plus under Obama we got Bin Laden, Ghadaffi, and An Awalaki without committing to new massive land campaigns.
And without the land campaigns, we'll probably get the same results. Blood on the streets and the best-organized religious groups taking power. Bummer.
The Islamists were always going to win the first elections. The second and third ones (if they even happen)? Probably not. If groups like the Muslim Brotherhood adapt to the responsibility of government, somewhat like Ennahda in Tunisia, then that is a good thing, regardless of their ideology. If they don't deliver the services, then the more liberal parties will be in a prime position to win majorities.
Who's to say there will be more elections after the first one? The problem with these Islamists and Communists is that they will hold the first election/revolution to get their guys in and than liquidate the rest of the process. (see: Czechoslovakia or Iran). At least the autocratic nations with our backing eventually open up (see South Korea or Taiwan) lest they politically collapse.
And a dozen senior AQ leaders.
His foreign policy is mix bag at best. Our Allies get unloved, while our foes get hugs. Israel: relations bad. The G-7: generally goes 180 degrees from anything he does. Iran: Still kicking the can down the road. Syria: Please… North korea: HA HA. Japan: still can't get a deal for Okinawa. As a Nobel peace prize winner he started a war in Libya vs a guy who really was a threat to nobody. Egypt: Still shaky. Iraq: messed up a base deal so we left. Canada: Killed pipeline deal. Mexico: Total mess.
I think a lot of airmen, sailors, soldiers, and marines would be pleased to see Clark AFB re-opened if that happens to be in the cars. And if its not re-opened permanently, then at the very least rebuild it and have it ready, it was indispensable to us as a medical treatment facility and a point of departure during Vietnam, i can see similar utility for it if things go south with China.
The volcano pretty much wasted ClarkAFB. Subic & Cubi Point have been turned into civilian ports & airport. http://visitsubic.com/
This is us preparing for conflict of some sort with China, while also giving Japan some breathing room. We move our marines from Okinawa to Guam to back the Phillippines. We put a base or 2 in the Phillipines so we have a way into the region quickly to support those being attacked by an aggressor China. And yes, we also forge new relationships with India to help with the economic issues associated with such a conflict. Wise strategy if the die is cast by China.
Here's my question, how come the US doesn't fix up Wake Island and Midway Atoll and use them as emergency staging bases in case war heats up with China. On the plus side, those Island can be a perfect staging outpost for the US Military to use as a Refuel and Refit bases for ships and Aircraft as well.
No hookers on Wake or Midway. I find your plan untenable
Not many places to hide on Wake or Midway either.
No hookers or water….
Not true. There's plenty of water. It's just that you can't drink it, what with the salt content and all that… ;)
I would say a lot of that has to do with the fact that Midway and Wake simply aren't large enough to support massive logistical bases. Wake especially
Wake still is used to a certain degree. Midway is a park more or less.
Maybe we can reactivate and use Wake as a logistics base and even as a emergency Airfield for the US Military. Also make Wake island and Midway Atoll a Ship repair and refit facility. Even the US Coast Guard can use those places as Staging islands for their operations. They don't have to man them all the time, they can have them for staging planes and use to stage patrol boats like the LCS, Corvettes or Coast Guard Cutters on Wake Island and Midway Island.
Here's Info on Wake Island and Midway Atoll
Wake Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Island
Midway Atoll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_Atoll
Possible reasons: (1) cost too much build infrastructure there; (2) better make the Philippines govt pay for some or all of the expenses in exchange for the illusion that the US will fight China on its behalf; (3) the Philippines has a large population that can be mobilized to fight China and die without risking any political capital back home, as otherwise would be the case when US soldiers die en masse like in Korea and Vietnam; (4) easier to manufacture conflicts and then sell weapons for fat profits; (5) in the event of a nuclear exchange with China or Russia, fewer nuclear ICBMs will be allocated for bombing US proper in order to bomb the Philippines (and Australia, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, … other countries with US bases) …
By the same token, we have real estate in up north in the Aleutian chain. Over all I think These moves are due to failure to make a deal on Okinawa. The "Yankee go home" calls have finally one over there.
Won, not one. One is a number while won is the past tense of win.
The islands are the same size as our aircraft carriers (exaggeration). They may be used as emergency bases but there isn’t really a point. They are so banged up now.
If it's worth it, then they'd have to dredge to make them bigger. Then suffer the environmental impact studies and all that.
They might make great Missile Defense positions, and might be useful to create "bastions" against the hypothetical anti-ship BM weapons the PRC is supposed to have. However as others note they're not big enough to serve as logistical hubs by themselves. However, in modern warfare it won't make sense to have centralized supply hubs that can be defeated-the move to decentralized force positioning in general supports this. They may simply opt to put up facilities all over the Pacific and opt for supply push to keep them all resonably supplied with munitions. However, the Navy still has to figure out how to efficiently reload Mk 41 cells quickly.
The Japanese have an air field on Iwo Jima, for example. A bigger island, but…
Great idea. Besides it would be better to have a couple of permanent bases with corrupt Philippine leaders wanting more money they can undo there constitutional ban. A air base in Palawan and a navy and air base on Luzon and or a air base on Mindino would be perfect for deterrence against China or Vietnam.
I’m not clear on why we have a policy against bases. While it seems friendly and cost-effective to rely on other countries’ facilities, what happens when war comes and they deny us access? Or let’s say the war isn’t going well, they decide to side with the winner, and kick us out at the worst possible time?
I figure if a host country wants to deny access they can and it wouldn't be a very good position to have a base anyways.
And if one wish's to flip side's like Italy did in WWII then I think that says enough about a supposed ally.
“I figure if a host country wants to deny access they can and it wouldn’t be a very good position to have a base anyways.”
When we have a base, it seems much harder to deny access. Consider Cuba and Guantanamo.
“And if one wish’s to flip side’s like Italy did in WWII then I think that says enough about a supposed ally.”
I don’t see how that will help us win the war. Will our justified outrage be used as a staging area?
FUCK CHINA!!!
“I figure if a host country wants to deny access they can and it wouldn’t be a very good position to have a base anyways.”
When we have a base, it seems much harder to deny access. Consider Cuba and Guantanamo.
“And if one wish’s to flip side’s like Italy did in WWII then I think that says enough about a supposed ally.”
I don’t see how that will help us win the war. Will our justified outrage be used as a staging area?
Sorry, I screwed up the posting. Don’t reply here, reply in the thread above.
strategic thinking, Cam Ranh Bay Viet Nam. great anchorage beautiful beaches, anyone remember China Beach?, I do besides Viet Nam and China are ancient enemies and strategic location. besides who would want to be in an Islamic Crap hole like the middle east, George Patton said it best, a soldier who can't screw wont fight
You are talking to the wrong people – many of the military are there because they cant compete in the American domestic market let alone with China.
well said.
others are brainwashed fools who think they are defending "freedom" or "democracy" when they are illegally invading other countries and killing innocent civilians at the bidding of the US military industrial complex – the biggest death merchants syndicate.
The millions of Soviet made AKs disagree with you
You really think China wants to attack us and kill our "Freedom" when more than half their population still live in poverty?
This is why America is never going to grow, stop with the war mongering policies and start SELLING TO CHINA.
Want to win against them? Play their game.
bam.
What should we sell? Next-gen sequencers? GE's turbines? PW turbines? Solar panels? Nuclear power plants?
Trading our technological crown jewels for consumer crap already R&D'ed here doesn't seem like a good trade. What can we build and sell here for a low price, but not too low that the labor force isn't treated as sweatshop labor?
We've had a semi-secret presence at Clark for several years, with dozens of contractors living there. Its a good idea to get some forces out of Okinawa, where they are not wanted nor needed. G2mil.com has a scathing article about Marine Generals fighting to keep their Okinawan resorts rather than preparing for future wars.
Look at the stinking map, Japan based presence is critical to the entire region.
Read the stinking article. It points out that Marines are not needed there. Only 4000 are combat troops, and that tiny force is no player in the region, except to upset the Okinawas. Pull half of them to keep Kadena safe.
Asian counties that align themselves with China are facing 50 years of continuous growth and investment. Most of the debate in Asia these days is about how to stop the Americans from screwing that up.
As a Singaporean said to me look what they did to the Middle East, we don't want that to happen to us.
It's ironic how the roles have flipped – China trade has become the economic driving force in the region while at the same time the strategy is to keep America passive through limited engagement.
Your post flies in the face of what is actually going on in the region. You picked the wrong forum to spew blatant BS in. Do a news search for "South China Sea" and educate yourself, so long as you aren't in China where you don't have that right.
Apparetly you don't understand what itfunk is saying and you obviously didn't do any real research yourself.
itfunk is right – ASEAN economies have recovered from Western-induced financial crisis faster than expected and are development steadily as a result of rapidly expanding trade with China. Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines are all exporting vastly more goods and material to China today than they did 15-20 years ago, and vice versa.
Somehow you picked some sensationalized and distorted stories from the manipulative, deceitful US mainstream media (aka propaganda apparatus) about some long standing territorial disputes in the region and therefore suddenly the solid economic progress and development of ASEAN countries cease to be real???
You should stop calling others' posts "blatant BS" than look at your own posts.
edit: 2nd parag: meant to say
itfunk is right – ASEAN economies have recovered from Western-induced financial crisis faster than expected and are **developing** steadily as a result of rapidly expanding trade with China.
edit: last parag: meant to say:
You should stop calling others' posts "blatant BS" AND look at your own posts.
While SE Asia and China have have seen strong growth while Europe and the US have suffered a crisis, that’s by no means a permanent state of affairs.
Unquestionably, other Asian nations are turning to the US for security from China.
That's regurgitating US propaganda from the mainstream media. It's just like saying the Syrian government is suppressing "democracy" as the CIA, MI6 and the Mossad are covertly arming criminals to attack civilians, businesses and the government, and then have some US puppet officials go to the UN and shamelessly move for sanctions and intervention. Too bad Russia and China saw right through it and vetoed the BS resolution.
If you rely on US mainstream media for news, you'll continue to get fabrications, distortions, misinformation and disinformation.
The PRC needs inputs for its own manufacturing, and will get them from subsidiary states like those you've mentioned. It doesn't surprise me at all.
Like the media in the US has already hinted at: businesses have already recovered. However, the workforces of the US and Europe have not.
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Philippines, huh? Before the Americans left, the Philippines enjoyed around US$35B of military aid. After the Americans left the Philippines were getting US$350 mil per year in equipment, weapons and spare parts. Most of the weapons are sold by the soldiers, officers and corrupt politicians to the Muslim rebel groups in the south. Funny, but this sound eerily familiar.
"The problem with this, defense planing-types worry, is that China’s new generation of long range ballistic missiles can take out this handful of bases with relative ease." – Article
LIke I've been saying for awhile now….
W/r/t having troops/assets within missile range, thats hardly a deterrent. After all, our servicemen/women spent a lot of time living with that scenario when stationed in Europe (etc). We have our boomers swimming around the Pacific 24/7/365, and plenty of other options. And regarding China's "carrier killer" ballistic missiles, we should've already used the same line on the Chinese that the Russians used on the Bush Administration when they wanted to put conventional warheads on ICBM's for "quick-strike" capability:
If we detect that you launched a ballistic missile without informing us first, we will assume it is a nuclear strike and we will retaliate accordingly.
All of a sudden, even the Bush Administrations biggest hawks decided it was a lousy idea.
There is a difference between cruise missiles and ballistic missiles.
The one's referenced in the article are CRUISE missiles.
I think you are downplaying the US presence in Australia. In addition to the new small presence in Darwin, there are full time intel operations on the NW Cape (Exmouth) and in Pine Gap in the Northern Territory. The US makes heavy use of Garden Island for its subs, regularly visits Australian ports, and does regular war game training with Australian forces. Essentially, the US has a reliable and friendly ally willing to grant access to the many bases across the continent. This is a very useful asset for both the US and Australia.
I think Subic and Clarck reopen again.
I think Subic and Clarck AFB reopen again to encircle China, to maintance American imperium.
Conflict and international relations is not always a zero sum game. Also a military does not need a constant enemy in order to function. If you want to confront the chinese, surrounding them in the pacific is not the way to go. Beat them in africa, and they will not have access to the cheap raw materials and growing markets for their crap goods.
all warfare is based on deception…so deceive the enemy not yourself about the nature of conflict.
Interesting article. Not one mention of the Phillipines Governments view on this. We assume that they want the American cash cow, but the party that asked us to leave is still in power. As for confronting China? With 7% of our national debt now resting in Treasury Bonds held by China, which have already reached maturity, they could crush us (economically, politically and militarily) with just a couple of taps on the computer keyboards at their banks. The current European debt crisis started when .08% of Greek bonds were called by creditors.
>Not one mention of the Phillipines Governments view on this.
Yea hilarious because the Philippines government has already said no.
The attitude in Asia these days is that containing America is the problem. The Chinese turn up with cash and business opportunities. While we turn up broke trying to create conflict.
Access, not bases is a smart move.
Bases won't happen, it's in the Philippine constitution. Give them equipment, Fighters, missiles and ships instead because it's virtually non-existent there. Besides, stationing US troops isn't a popular idea in both countries anyway.
I don't know what you are consuming, but it seems a lot worse than what the mainstream media is providing.