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GAO Buys Fake Submarine Parts From China

by John Reed on March 28, 2012

Remember how the Senate Armed Services Committee held a rather dramaitc hearing on the flood of counterfeit weapons parts coming from China a few months ago?

Well, as part of the committee’s investigation into the problem, lawmakers asked the Government Accountability Office to buy weapons parts from Chinese companies (that U.S. weapons companies sometimes buy from) to see if the Chinese government is doing anything to crack down on the massive problem. A shadow company set up by GAO to buy the parts specifically requested brand new parts for F-15 Eagles, MV-22 Ospreys and two nuclear submarines. What did they get? You guessed it, fake parts from China!

How massive is the problem? Over one million fake weapons parts have been identified as coming from Chinese companies since 2009. You don’t have to be  genius to see the safety nightmare presented by fake parts on incredibly complex systems like submarines, fighter jets and tiltrotors.

From the sounds of it, Beijing has yet to act.

Here’s what a new Reuters article has to say:

U.S. government investigators, using a fictitious company, were able to easily find electronic parts for weapons from China on the Internet and every single item they bought was counterfeit, despite China’s pledge to crack down on fake products.

A new report by the congressional Government Accountability Office showed that 334 of 396 vendors who offered to sell parts to the fictitious company were from China.

It said all 16 parts eventually purchased by the fake company came from 13 China-based vendors and all were determined by an independent testing laboratory to be counterfeit.

“These findings should outrage every American,” said Senator Carl Levin, the Michigan Democrat who heads the Senate Armed Services Committee, calling the new report “deeply troubling.”

“The Chinese government’s refusal to shut down counterfeiting that occurs openly in their country puts our national security and the safety of our military men and women at risk. It also costs thousands of American jobs.

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Big-Rick March 28, 2012 at 12:34 pm

The Chinese are NOT are friends, in fact they are closer to being enemies then they are friends. Actions are much louder then words.
-friends do not actively pursue technologies and methods and how to target our carriers
-friends do not harass our ships in international waters
-friends do not attempt to take down our military planes (P-3)
-friends do not claim vast areas of the ocean as their sovereign territory (South China Sea).
-friends do not lay claim to islands that are actually closer to other countries then theirs (Spratney islands)
-friends do not actively attempt to destroy another friends economy
-finally, friends don't actively attempt to destroy another friends defense by flooding the market with fake military spare parts

We need to cut ALL trade with China right now!

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justsaying March 28, 2012 at 12:45 pm

Cutting all trade with China? Lead by example and get off your computer right now, keyboard warrior.

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Andy March 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm

WHAT TOOK THE GOV. SO LONG TO FIND OUT…HEH HEH HEH

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Sgt_Buffy March 28, 2012 at 1:18 pm

They're not our friends, they're just a critical business partner who's cheating on us. We'll sort them out eventually, but really it's up to them to crack down on their own manufacturing process.

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IKnowIT March 28, 2012 at 1:38 pm

How stupid- your partner is cheating on you and it's up to them to stop themselves? Yeah, that might happen..

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Sgt_Buffy March 28, 2012 at 2:10 pm

For their own benefit

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passingby March 29, 2012 at 12:01 am

Quite true, but I'd make an exception for the US, if only because the US is paying for those parts in worthless pieces of paper. Fake parts for fake money. (assuming the parts are actually fake – can't trust US news)

4FingerOfBouron March 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm

Not to be picky, but UK claims islands far away…

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CBM March 28, 2012 at 2:10 pm

the people living on those islands who rule themselves wish to be part of the UK and can leave at any time.

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justsaying March 28, 2012 at 5:28 pm

I want to rule myself. Why can't I leave?

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passingby March 28, 2012 at 11:58 pm

quote: "the people living on those islands who rule themselves wish to be part of the UK and can leave at any time."

That's BS and you know it.

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joe March 29, 2012 at 2:43 am

In what way?

Kosme March 29, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Are you talking about Diego Garcia Island ??

;-)

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Ryan April 4, 2012 at 6:42 pm

Don't mess with DGAR… this is the best duty out there

InfoLib March 30, 2012 at 4:38 pm

but the UK didn't come to the islands, kicked all islander out, then redraw the map claiming to possession of the island. Friend has never done that, even anyone/country in a civilize society has never done that !!! If you come to my house, kick me out of my house, then saying that it's your house, then people will say you're crazy. Believe it or not, China did just like that !!!

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Kosme March 30, 2012 at 10:51 pm

Lol … google Diego garcia and "Stealing a nation" …

"UK didn't come to the islands, kicked all islander out" … Ignorant people shouldn't comment.

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Thomas L. Nielsen April 2, 2012 at 3:59 am

Uhm….you might want to ask the Native Americans if they agree with you on that one.

Or ask the Indians about the English occupation..ooops…I mean "colonial administration".

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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Wisefubar April 5, 2012 at 3:54 pm

For The last 100 years and by popular local opinion. Thats like saying were occupying Alaska or Hawaii. Right?

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cricket23 March 29, 2012 at 3:30 am

We owe China around One Trillion Dollars!

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T_K March 29, 2012 at 4:28 am

Says the guy typing on his chinese-made computer or iphone…

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frank March 29, 2012 at 9:28 am

the chinese are not doing anything about it. the question is what are our leaders doing about it. our leaders are bought and paid for by this countries , just like clinton was. so don't be surprized if the problem continues.

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Klem March 29, 2012 at 1:21 pm

You can't solve the outsourcing of manufacturing by bringing it back to the States in it's current form. Cost, regulation, taxation, you name it.

There needs to be some kind of revolution/evolution in manufacturing to allow that…things like rapid prototyping, autonomous manufacturing….you know, in the realm of '3D printers' or something else beyond that…..In essence, there needs to be a leap in technology to manufacture everything we manufacture today, but without the need of human assemblers.

Lol, I know.

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swizard March 30, 2012 at 3:29 pm

Careful what you wish for on the "islands closer to other countries". Do you want Guam returned to some other country? Or Puerto Rico? Or Wake island? <etc and etc>

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Ken March 31, 2012 at 8:35 am

China's Communist government has one goal-control the World and use" Free Trade" as the "Nuclear Weapon" !!. We gave them the "Farm" in the early 1970's when we put economist/"bean-counters" in charge of our businesses and sent manufacturing to slave labor operations in China. Now we are deep-in debt and have no $$ to rebuild our crumbling infarstructure and China buys up world oil, mineral and land resources with our $$!!

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GHJHS March 31, 2012 at 1:53 pm

RIGHT ON, UNDER THE STUPIDY OF OUR ELECTED POLITISIONS WHO ALLOWED CHINA TO OWEN US,THE GREED OF AMERICAN COPERATIONS WHO RAN TO CHINA FOR CHEAP PARTS AND BIG PROFETS……AMERICANS HAS BEEN SOLD OUT. THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INCHARGE OF RUNING OUR COUNTRY FAILES US.

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Thomas L. Nielsen April 2, 2012 at 4:01 am

Using all caps does not make up for spelling errors. On the contrary.

And what "big profets" did the US get from China? Buddha?

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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GHJHS March 31, 2012 at 12:01 pm

WHAT PART OF STUPID IS IT TO BE BUYING PARTS FROM CHINA, THE PARTS FOR OUR MILITARY NEEDS TO BE MADE IN THE U S A ..I don't think till the american people kick some ass in washington our country will be back on it's feet.

what ever happend to FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE..NOW IT'S FOR THE POLITISIONS,BIG CO'S AND THE RICH….OUR RIGHTS,FREEDOMS KEEP GETING TAKEN AWAY BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REPERSENTING US.

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CleoBarker April 1, 2012 at 1:57 am

Perhaps if the budgets weren't so effed we wouldn't have to buy from the lowest bidder… and who, I beg you, is bound to always be the lowest?

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Bob April 2, 2012 at 1:07 pm

Totally on the mark, China needs to be isolated, and products boycotted. It is out of control. You can go to any store in the US and 90% of products on the shelves are "made in china". Do we produce anything anymore? It already to late they have to many greedy American business in their pockets. Trade with China has to be stopped NOW, today. I went to a "Home Depot last week and everything I needed to purchase was made in China, I didn't even have a choice.China is a wolf in sheep's clothing just as Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia are. These are not merely unfriendly countries (who claim to be our friends) with no regard for international laws or the good of America, these countries are more of a threat than terrorism. It's only a matter of time before they will steal enough technology and business that our economy will crumble, and it has already begun.

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Michael April 3, 2012 at 9:20 pm

Big-Rick
I’ve never trusted them. Buying parts from them for the military is stupid. Any company caught doing this should be taken over and all involved should be put on trial for treason.

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kitty April 4, 2012 at 6:53 pm

Right,the Chinese will always be Communist.

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Ted April 6, 2012 at 10:42 pm

And WE are to become just that with Obama and another 4yrs. He and his outlaws are going to steal this election.

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Robert April 6, 2012 at 10:08 am

Couldn't have said it better myself. We are responsible for the chinese economy growing, because we send all of our manufactoring jobs there. No wonder the chinese can do what they are doing they have our technology at their finger tips. Thank you politicians

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mcpo-ret@cfl.rr.com April 12, 2012 at 10:37 am

The entire Trust Territory of the Pacific most notably Guam “Where America’s day begins” on the other side of the world is closer to many other countries including China as is the entire Trust Territory of the Pacific.
The U.S. also claims American Samoa, the Virgin Islands and several islands in the Carribean, the largest is Puerto Rico.
All of them are closer to Cuba. You think we should give those up to Cuba because they are closer? I know for a fact they are all very proud to be Americans.

By the way, we are less of a friend to Cuba than we are China. I agree pretty much with the rest of your statements but you really should check ALL your facts prior to posting.

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Tuomo Kämäräinen May 31, 2012 at 2:12 pm

USA would get bankrupt in an instant! ;)

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Bill March 28, 2012 at 12:42 pm

Hey, here's a novel idea – Have unscheduled visits to Chinese production facilities with random product sampling… they can't pull authentic products out of their ass.

Problem solved.

It's both infuriating and embarrassing that we continue to do business with Chinese suppliers when they continue to pull shit like this. Might as well tell the Pentagon that I can make a transmogrifier out of a cardboard box and a sharpie.

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Col. Sanders March 28, 2012 at 12:56 pm

You make transmogrifiers?? Real or counterfeit?

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Nadnerbus March 29, 2012 at 1:02 am

Yes but do you have the continuum transfunctioner?

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Thomas L. Nielsen March 29, 2012 at 4:22 am

Certainly, kind sir, certainly. And not only that, our continuum transfunctioner has the upgraded unobtainium/imaginesium heat sink to increase performance. Regrettably, it's in maintenance right now, so I can't show you….

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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Twidget at large March 29, 2012 at 8:10 am

I got a nice surplus of flux capacitors, any bids?

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Frank April 4, 2012 at 6:12 pm

Wouldn't matter. We wouldn't be able to actually test the parts on site and they wouldn't let us into the site that produce the fake parts. Sounds alot like the UN inspection of the Iranian Nuclear Facilities.

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Mixture April 4, 2012 at 7:44 pm

Why are we even buying military parts from China. It does not make sense unless the US companies are making a huge profit? This sounds more like treason to me
Mixture

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R L Baker April 4, 2012 at 9:58 pm

Here is a better idea. Buy only from American manufactures, then take the people responsible for purchasing and using fake part and shoot them.

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Jcing October 25, 2012 at 12:15 am

R L Baker says:
“Here is a better idea. Buy only from American manufactures, then take the people responsible for purchasing and using fake part and shoot them.”

Dave says:
“lol. US sucks! Corruption at its BEST! Contract with China = someone got good money :) Any politicians involved? lol . you bet! US companies overseas = corruption again. Joe got no job…cause politicians and CEOs make more money through China! Yay! Now what! Obama hands are tied! Laws and senate don’t let change to occure or something like that! Yay we stuck.”

There you go. The CEOs and top investors all belong to the top 1%. And they own/control/are in league with most of the Republican (and some Dems too) politicians. Be careful though, they also (through their think tanks such as the CFR) “own”/direct the CIA and the Knights of Malta (two organizations that in turn are so in bed with worldwide mobs and Cuban-American terrorists). And they’re all allied with the extreme right-wing Zionists who control the company that manufactures most of the only PC part that is still not made in China–the cpu.

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Retired Navy 2002 April 5, 2012 at 11:13 pm

That is because we have One World Order morons and lazy idiots with no work ethic in our government's workforce. They want to see our military fail, as it is the last line of defense against a world without borders and nations without sovereignty. How else would you explain the fact that we keep self-inflicting this kind of pain on us? We have foxes in the henhouse, and we had better get rid of them quickly.

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Jamie W. April 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm

Won't work. All they have to do is manufacture a few real ones at the inspected site for inspection purposes, then ship the cheap ones in from elsewhere and mix them in – fake the paperwork. Easy-peasey for a smart cheat. The ONLY way I know to do it would be to take the financial hit and require all manufacture to be on American soil, where American companies and executives could be held civilly and criminally liable for any wrongdoing.

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Vaporhead March 28, 2012 at 12:53 pm

It's humorous that our Government would blame China for this. Our own government is to blame. These parts should be made here in the States so we can easily have oversight over the manufacturing process. If the government doesn't like what China is doing, then they need to do it themselves. Period.

What also frightens me is how may parts are on our aircraft or other weapons system that are fake and potentially dangerous? What is going to be done about that?

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D'Orville March 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm

Now now, we can't be having big gubment forcing producers to build things. Privatization is the way to go, free market, etc. After all, everything should be built with the cheapest possible cost in mind, right? Damn the security, the free market has spoken!

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JE McKellar March 28, 2012 at 2:50 pm

What about the fake IT components? Fake drugs?

In terms of national security, it was unconscionable to off-shore military production. But procurement isn't really about national security, is it? It's just a scheme to divert taxpayer money into private pockets. This corruption is the real threat to our nation, not some loudmouth in rural Yemen.

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Frank April 4, 2012 at 6:15 pm

I agree, but until the Congress can pass a bill that requires the US Goverment to buy only US made products with tax payers money then it will never happen, and most of the companies that sub-contact overseas are backers of Congress members elections

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Dave April 5, 2012 at 5:01 pm

They do have a bill, it's been in process the last 15yrs i have contracted with the Gov't…it;s called the Buy American Act…if findthe Gov't finds any product on site that is not made in America it has to be removed/replaced. I know, I had to replace 23 light fixtures made in china…

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StrumPanzer March 28, 2012 at 12:54 pm

I have a better Idea stop buying weapon parts from china and bring those jobs back home where they should be. When it come to defense of our country should we take responsibility for it for ourselves.

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Sgt_Buffy March 28, 2012 at 1:11 pm

That works if you are willing to take on a higher tax burden. Higher quality goods mean higher expenses which almost invariably come down on your shoulders. I don't mind paying taxes, it's a part of life, what I do mind is putting our soldiers at risk by buying from a risky source.

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ChingChong March 30, 2012 at 8:43 am

I got an even better idea: you learn to spell "Sturm" correctly, then spray your WN sh*t.

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Jan E. Culbertson April 4, 2012 at 5:47 pm

If we ever go to war with China, are we going to depend on them for parts for our weapons? We need jobs here in the U.S., and all parts of weapons, and weapons should be being made here.

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jdog April 5, 2012 at 1:11 am

prob the same guy who says our govt spends too much money^

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Anon March 28, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Agreed and Agreed…. why the heck are we buying military parts from overseas anyhow?
Make them here, which will create jobs, improve the economy and make us safer.

You know why we can't? Because we don't manufacture anything here anymore.
And if the government tried to help a company out to start making the stuff here, millions of liberals would cry out in rage that the company is getting preferential treatment.

UHG!

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Kenbearhill March 31, 2012 at 3:04 pm

Enough Anon! Let's agree to keep this about Americans, not politics!! If Americans would stop being greedy about Mil spec items we would be making all of our supply items here. No questions asked. In fact one company in my state sold counterfeit "Jesus Nuts" to the Army for the Blackhawks my son fought from. They were conservatives so let's not go screaming about what is comfortable and get the correction we need not a fix from some political hacks.
That said, the shift of manufacturing production is great for wall street and the big investors but it eliminates the foundations of our present economy the working base of consumers who purchase and use the junk the investors import.
What did we defend if not the ability to enjoy our kids and see them better off than we were growing up. Just as every generation of Americans has hoped since this country came into existence. The American Dream is freedom in all its varieties, not just the ability to maybe get wealth. Notice I did not say Rich. We are rich in comparison with most of the world. Most of the world will and have died to be free of oppression. It is time we who have served and fought for this country accept the gift we have given to the rest of our brothers and sisters, the gift of secure freedom.

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Jan E. Culbertson April 4, 2012 at 5:48 pm

Of course we manufacture stuff here – like hamburgers!!

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Idonotbelievethis April 4, 2012 at 7:35 pm

It's not just liberals but republicans as well. They'd decry that it interfered with capitalism.

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Paula Jaques April 4, 2012 at 11:28 pm

Amen, Anon. I couldn't agree with you more. You are spot on!
PJ, Texas

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Sgt_Buffy March 28, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Friends don't let friends use fake weaponry. China is not our friend, just another high-ranking business partner. It's getting tense over there.

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Pat March 28, 2012 at 1:29 pm

China sucks.

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Uranium238 March 28, 2012 at 1:51 pm

Yes they do! And so does the crap they make!

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Juuso March 30, 2012 at 11:19 am

Clearly that crap is good enough for US military.

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changedone April 4, 2012 at 9:48 pm

I agree. I'd like to ask this probing question: Why do we need to buy from China at all? Okay, the food is good! But if we quit buying from them, what happens to their bottom line? It tanks! They have copied almost all existing technology, anyway, so what are we waiting for?

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billw917 March 28, 2012 at 1:59 pm

This simply demonstrates the sad state of US manufacturing.

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otto March 29, 2012 at 12:01 pm

That’s not really a problem with US manufacturing. The US still manufactures a lot of goods. The problem is with the lowest bidder, everything must be free market, economy. There are some things you just don’t outsource, especially to an ideological enemy.

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Tribulationtime March 28, 2012 at 2:05 pm

I gona say how "fake" is. Respectable and Patriot Company Owners put Flag in theirs chest and money in theirs ballets. Only if they buy fake parts and sold designs to China then China builds fakes for Pilots, Sailors and Soldiers who put theirs live stakes. They sold twice the Country which give all the things they have. The REAL new should be: How have China designs and tech to built parts? and How that tech can be implemented in own chinese designs or to combate western weapons?

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Belesari March 28, 2012 at 8:05 pm

Alot of these parts are "refurbished" or are fakes in they look like the right thing but arent.

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Jamie W. April 6, 2012 at 12:37 pm

And can only be identified with chemical and electronic tests and/or by time-consuming precision measurement. We can't re-measure and test every single part – we have to be able to trust these companies to do the original ones first.

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blight_ March 28, 2012 at 8:07 pm

I was reading a NYT Disunion article about corruption in the American Civil War. Scary stuff.

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Jake April 5, 2012 at 10:34 am

Uh, what did this guy just say????

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LeeRetArmy March 28, 2012 at 2:25 pm

What an excellent way to put a backdoor / trojan in a system

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passingby March 29, 2012 at 5:05 am

wow, if supposedly fake parts contain " a backdoor / trojan", imagine how many problems you will find in real parts.

better stick to fake parts. besides, it's a lot cheaper.

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Scott April 4, 2012 at 9:04 pm

kinda what i was thinking, how easy to hack into our equipment when we may need it the most. We better not dig any deeper or we might see how far this really goes.

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Jamie W. April 6, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Unfortunately, our domestically-engineered computer systems are just as liable to this problem. Not all American companies are run by people who like the military – and not all "American" companies are run by Americans. Dig around and you find out all kinds of alarming things. The whole military purchasing system needs to be uprooted and redone to eliminate corruption, waste and the possibility of sabotage. It's a broken system.

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Every day man March 28, 2012 at 2:35 pm

Why not suck up the cost and buy parts made in america

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blight_ March 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

You can pay a slave less than a free man, that's why.

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Jack Mehoff April 5, 2012 at 7:47 pm

Yeah that's an idea, geep feeding corporate greed and support fat union thuggery.

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Jamie W. April 6, 2012 at 12:44 pm

Yep, in this day when the military is having to massively cut the budget it just cut by 10% across the board a couple years ago, thanks to congressional incompetence and political contempt. Yeah, tell the military to suck it up and take another.

You go talk to a military member having to work with the new financial reality and see if you can comfortably say that afterward. There are good ways to cut the military budget and reorganize spending; "suck it up" is not one of those ways.

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KMan March 28, 2012 at 2:47 pm

I'm not quite sure I understand the definition of "fake part" in the context of this article. What exactly is being called "fake." Does the part not work as per spec? Is the part made from plastic instead of metal? Does the part fail to function at all? Is the part coming from China and being billed as "American made?" What, exactly???

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TMB March 28, 2012 at 3:19 pm

Basically, yes to all.

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joe March 29, 2012 at 2:47 am

When talking about commercial aerospace stuff, it commonly means that a part billed as 'new' is actually a reconditioned second-hand component; which therefore will have less cumulative flying hours remaining on it than the fitter who puts it in the plane believes it does.

Less sure about this story, as obviously I don't know exactly what components were ordered, but I imagine it's the same.

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swizard March 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm

A fake part can be inferior simply in the quality of the metal alloy, its strength, and resistance to cracking under stress. No submariner wants to have a critical part fail due to inferior mettalurgy. Nor do pilots. Nor do airplane passengers. Get the point. Fake can get you killed.

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STEVE M March 30, 2012 at 4:39 pm

My exact thoughts as I read this article.

Easy solution of course is to simply have a military acquisition policy that mandates all parts for all our weapons be manufactured here in the US or by one of our clear-cut allies like members of NATO or Israel.

SAM

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guest April 1, 2012 at 2:36 am

in the waning years of the CLNTON administration they removed all kinds of Mil Specs, standards and requiremens stating commmercial practices were good enough,
they also had requirements that the majority of parts be made in the USA.

Clinton made China "our most favoured" trading partner status overnight.
without coherent rationale other than donations to the DNC.
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Dfens March 28, 2012 at 3:09 pm

American made airplane parts? Yeah, like that's going to happen. Hell, not even Boeing or Lockheed have the facilities to make their own parts anymore. We might just as well say we're not going to fly airplanes anymore. All this little tempest in a teapot will do is force the Chinese made parts to all come through Europe so the Eurpoeans can get their cut before they get here. It'll be one more way we subsidize the European Union.

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passingby March 29, 2012 at 5:08 am

Good point.

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swizard March 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm

The issue is not "where" the part is made, but whether it meets the specs in all regards. A fake by definition is "uncertified" on meeting the specified standards for a part, whether in material used, manufacturing processes, or dimension tolerances. An uncertified part is one whose manufacturer has not submitted for sample testing, and whose manufacturer has no "process" in place to assure inferior parts are screened out and removed from the sales market. So while a fake "could be" without danger, there is nothing to certify that it is not. Would you trust a brain surgery to an "uncertified" surgeon who offers one to you at below market cost, thinking that the cost is all that matters?

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CaptWSims April 4, 2012 at 8:43 pm

My son makes airplane parts six days a week, mostly for Boeing and AirBus. He works for a company in Seattle, not China.

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blight_ April 4, 2012 at 9:37 pm

Which aircraft parts? There are plenty that Boeing makes in-house, and plenty more that are outsourced.

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Morty March 28, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Andy March 28, 2012 at 3:50 pm

Jail the CEO'S

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Belesari March 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

Um the chinese CEO's im assuming you mean…..because the parts came from china.

So you want the Chinese CEO's who are also most likely part of the communist party to arrest eachother?………Good luck with that.

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Andy March 29, 2012 at 7:32 pm

The Ceo's company here that bought Chinese part.

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Mark Howard USN/Ret April 4, 2012 at 6:55 pm

JAIL EVERYONE involved in this decision! And everyone who has undermined this nations ability to defend itself by RELYING on itself and our OWN resources!
ECONOMIC TREASON is what it is.

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USN RET April 4, 2012 at 8:18 pm

Don't put the bastards in jail. Shoot the a–holes!

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R L Baker April 4, 2012 at 10:02 pm

Jail, hell. Take them out behind the barn and shoot them. I'll provide the ammo, and I'll tell you this, it will be made in America.

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Pilgrimman March 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm

Remind me again why we haven't bombed the living bajeezus out of China? They are an enemy, through and through. Why does the world let them get away with this crap?

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Josh March 28, 2012 at 7:48 pm

Because there's over a billion of them.

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blight_ March 28, 2012 at 8:01 pm

With that psycho logic the Soviets would have nuked America over the Cuban missile crisis, or invaded Europe over Prague Spring. At some point, violence isn't justified.

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passingby March 28, 2012 at 11:54 pm

excellent rebuttal.

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wisefubar April 5, 2012 at 4:05 pm

Because they own us and won't let us do anything too stupid, at least too them. We can only do things that make them $$$$.

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Jack Mehoff April 5, 2012 at 7:45 pm

Because Curious George has bankrupted our grand kids future and sold us out to China. Just like his handlers wanted him to do. How's that change coming? face it, democrats will sell us into slavery as long as they are retained as tax collector and task master.

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passingby March 28, 2012 at 5:17 pm

fake news. fake congress. fake investigations. fake company. fake money.

real funny

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swizard March 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm

A fake fake is not fake at all. It is an authentic fake.

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Roland March 28, 2012 at 6:09 pm

One advise: do not buy military and electronic hardware from China.

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passingby March 29, 2012 at 5:08 am

good luck on that one. LOL

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OldmanRick March 28, 2012 at 6:40 pm

Wow, why are we even buying replacement parts for our military from China? All components needed for our military should be manufactured at US companies within the US.

Anyone who believes the Chinese communists are our friends or even friendly trading partners needs a severe reality check..

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joe March 29, 2012 at 2:54 am

The problem is, it depends what the 'parts' are.
Submarine prop blades? Yes, definitely. Weapon control systems, again, easy sell.

Bolts, nuts and fasteners…with the same spec as their commercial equivalent? Now you're getting into the infamous "$200,000 hammer" territory that defence procurement gets into just as much trouble for. Unfortunately, big as the US military is, it's not enough to support a lot of basic subassembly and component industries by itself, so it will always have to buy generic components of the civil market…which, since that's bulk manufacture driven by cost, at the moment, means the PRC.

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Gene April 5, 2012 at 1:24 pm

exactly. well put.

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Noha307 March 28, 2012 at 7:31 pm

Well, I for one was actually happy after I read this article. When I saw the headline I was afraid that the government had bought fake parts from China without actually realizing they were fake – and just now realized it.

(Upon further thought: Oh, wait. They ALREADY DID THAT!)

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blight_ March 28, 2012 at 8:03 pm

The GAO did it for a test. They set up a dummy company and made small purchases to test for supply line contamination.

Sorry, Happy Joy Imitation Happy Products EIght-Eight-Eight factory is unlikely to be making authentic parts…that would be Loyalty Stoic Military Factory #6

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Yoyo March 28, 2012 at 7:32 pm

How about we get rid of useless unions and lobbyists so we can compete at home. The fact that China can produce items so effectively is ignoring the real problem that America has lost its competitive advantage due to Unions, Democrats, and other pro-entitlement groups.

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Kurt Montandon March 28, 2012 at 7:55 pm

The fact that China can produce items so effectively (by that you mean "cheaply," I'm assuming" is because their workers are subjected to 80-hour work-weeks for less than a dollar an hour, with absolutely no benefits.

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blight_ March 28, 2012 at 8:00 pm

Indeed. Let's work 'em lazy gits until they jump from factory rooftops…and build some nets.

Serves them right for building America. We shall laugh at them with snobby college degrees, amirite? Just in farming, I doubt one could find a worker willing to work at the wage of a Chinese laborer.

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Infidel4LIFE March 29, 2012 at 2:58 pm

Yeah, blame the unions and working folk who deserve a decent wage. This is about greed, and those who have more love for $ than country. You really are a hard right warmonger aren't you? Your hero must be Paul Ryan. Wait till they try and privatize the VA, and the checks that come from it. They want it ALL. Wall St. gambling w/ your pension..im reasssured it will be just great..WTF?

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blight_ March 29, 2012 at 3:29 pm

Pshaw, the military doesn't know how to maintain pensions, they should focus on warfighting. Privatize the VA!

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Yoyo March 29, 2012 at 8:09 pm

You must be a life long government employee or someone who benefits from the constant waste of the US government. I am for anyone who wants to run things more efficiently and hold people accountable…something our military and our government simply refuse to do. I don't neccesarily like Ryan, but LOVE his ambition towards turning our screwed up government right side back up. I am in the home building business and just sold a $380,000 home to a retired postal worker (he delivered the mail!) and his pension was $143,000 per year…we wonder why every department our government has would be bankrupt if it was private.

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Kenbearhill March 31, 2012 at 3:33 pm

Dude! No letter carrier gets 143,000 in pension. That customer had other income and saving to bring him to that amount. How you people can be so gullible about the people how work hard to protect you from the robber/barons of this world truly amazes me. Just because a guy works for the post office does not mean he is a letter carrier. O that that is all he has time in life to do to earn a pension.
By the way what do you do to assure your retirement in the future?

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Robert March 30, 2012 at 2:44 pm

Yeah the Republicans are doing all the outsourcing moron.

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Matt March 30, 2012 at 7:47 pm

Mr. Robert…..Republicans are the only ones who want to break up the unions. Republicans try to make money where they can, democrats just want to get reelected by continuing all the horrible programs that are drowning our economy (ie definined benefit pension plans, SS, healthcare laws that don't make financial sense). Several have claimed that since china can afford lower wages that is an excuse as to why we should over compensate unions????? what a horrible example…this is a world economy that must react to market forces…not make excuses. If you sell a product for X and the guy down the street can sell it for X-2, its crapy luck, but you better adjust or your going to fail….the US is failing because they fail to recognize that everyone else is at X-2.

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eddyjames1952 April 3, 2012 at 10:04 pm

The real problem is we are letting our enemy have access to our weapons systems and then buying sub-standard parts from them to possible use against them.Duh! what wrong with this picture. What could possible go wrong? Maybe tracking chips?Parts design to fail at the touch of a button?

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zman537 March 28, 2012 at 9:16 pm

How can the US be some dumb to think that China is going to sell us weapon parts that may at some point be used to defend Taiwan or against NK or even against them.
US Gov: China.. I need to by weapon parts that I could use against your friends or even you or to defend the US, do you have those parts available?

China Gov: Ahh yes yes we do, I sell you parts fo good price.

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Infidel4LIFE March 29, 2012 at 2:52 pm

How can we be so stupid? The Chicoms laugh all the way to THEIR banks..

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hornung March 28, 2012 at 9:23 pm

fuck China

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blight_ March 29, 2012 at 2:08 am

Okay, but how does that change anything?

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AlC March 28, 2012 at 11:53 pm

As a point of reference, I have about 20 years experience with chip and module manufacturing. (20 years of EE/Software as well)

This problem should not even exist. There are so many known ways to deal with this. Sadly, it appears the DOD doesn't know any of them. Feel free to hire some real world IC people and not the bunch of morons inside the beltway that give power point.

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blight_ March 29, 2012 at 2:08 am

Meaning "the private sector, working with similarly large projects in complexity and at greater scales, has already devised cost-effective within-batch-sampling means to weed out counterfeit/defective products"?

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Thomas L. Nielsen March 29, 2012 at 2:20 am

Add a "synergistic", a couple of "value-added"'s and a "customer-centric" and you're more or less there.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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TMB March 29, 2012 at 7:08 pm

"I have about 20 years experience…There are so many known ways to deal with this."

Please, don't keep them to yourself.

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Rabbit March 29, 2012 at 1:08 am

Well, either we rely our homegrown military-industrial complex or we contract it out to another country's. Can't have it both ways.

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Brendan March 29, 2012 at 1:17 am

What the article does not make clear is whether the "fake" parts are of inferior quality to the real parts. China often copies products from other countries, learns how it works and produces cheap better equipment. Was the equipment inferior as opposed to "different"?

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Brian Black March 29, 2012 at 2:05 am

Imagine how much those enormous programme costs would be without the Chinese knock-off parts.

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itfunk March 29, 2012 at 3:32 am

So they went to China and asked "can you make some parts for us". And the Chinese said "yes we can make them cheaper and better then the American ones and available quicker?

So now china has a problem ? LOL.

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Auyong Ah Meng March 29, 2012 at 4:11 am

You can only blame those who allow this to happen…."allowing" critical / key manufacturing of sensitive items/tech to be manufactured outside the united states…

What's the point…if america come into its own with rail guns, lasers, fusion reactors etc….if in the end your own greedy big business and american politicians in cahoots/were bought to allow the tech/critical parts be manufactured in China…of all places….

Why not South Korea….or taiwan….Japan…even England / canada….why not these other places…why?

Look at your congressman in the eye…and those fat cats (hidden and in the open) who allow and continue to allow this sad state of affairs to continue…

For money and self deluded ideas of power/influence they are willing to let their country go down.

Are we going to let them continue?

Never…so look them hard in the eyes all the way.

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cs4 March 29, 2012 at 5:41 am

Hmm.. critical weapon parts bought from China and they are blaming China for spying.

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Twidget at large March 29, 2012 at 9:20 am

WARNING RANT AHEAD:
That's what the tarifs were for, so tax's wouldn't have to be raised and manufacturing could be kept in cournty where you can keep an eye on it and also safe from the enemy, unfortunately tarifs are mostly gone, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariffs_in_United_States_history). So, IMOHO, raise the **** tarifis like we have done in the past and our economy is forced find cheaper incounus goods for the consumer, me. Chances of this actualy happening are slim, as because of a lack of tarriffs busniss was moved over seas, because why pay Americans 6 bucks an hour when you can have some other poor smuck work for 50cents an hour and love it, standard of living don't ya know? So unless we got some corporate patriotes out there, (there's a few I admit) they're going to be against raising tariffs, gotta keep the share holders happy.
Rant over, sigh :(

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Joseph B. Collins March 29, 2012 at 9:51 am

Why are we buying parts that support our military infrastructure from a country that does not exactly have our best interest at heart? Why are "lawmakers" asking the GAO to waste taxpayer money in setting up a fake company to buy parts to see "if the Chinese government is doing anything to crack down on the massive problem." Does this even make the slightest amount of sense? Why isn't this money being better spent by properly training troops and ensuring they are equipped to fight the wars we are currently involved in? Why can I, as a GED educated, 20 year veteran of the United States Navy and common citizen see this as a bad idea and our college educated "lawmakers" not? Why are we still paying these "lawmakers" to waste our money in such a manner?

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wisefubar April 5, 2012 at 4:13 pm

The devil is in the details, such as who gets paid what for doing nothing or who pays who for doing something or maybe who steals the most and pays the least and does the most. I tell you its a FLUSTER CLUCK. and were the last man/woman, with nothing but our hand to work with or for.

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Red Devil March 29, 2012 at 10:14 am

China is NOT to blame on this one, they are doing what any enemy state would do. The fault lies on those sourcing the parts from China instead of America or at least an ally nation.

Shame on you America for getting yourself in a bind like this.

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Marshall March 29, 2012 at 10:16 am

Here in California, cement and concrete prices have risen greatly, due (in part) to the exporting of these materials to China for their dam projects, etc.

Why don't we ship phoney materials to China and see how they like it??!!

And why does the US Govt allow high tech items to be made in China, essentially giving them access to technology that they wouldn't have, if limited??
Thanks, Apple!!! And the others that sell out American labor!!

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blight_ March 29, 2012 at 11:17 am

Even doing final assembly in China opens up the possibility of industrial espionage. A truck of memory chips from Samsung is vulnerable to espionage from the moment it lands in the PRC until it hits the factory and gets soldered onto the PCB, up until the completed product is loaded into a container and shipped to the United States.

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R L Baker April 4, 2012 at 10:06 pm

I like that idea.

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Steve March 29, 2012 at 11:18 am

Can anyone, with an once of brain, tell me why we are buying any military parts, pieces, or hardware, from any foreign countr???. Has our government gone completely NUTS? What a beautiful way to destroy our war machine, from internal sources not loyal to America's interests!

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benny March 29, 2012 at 11:36 am

Hearing all the comments all of you are against buying cheap Chinese junk parts, yet every single one of you PROBABLY GO TO WALMART at least once a week. So, who is supporting China? Our government? NO!!!! You are. So, stop it. Buying prescription drugs from CANADA? Guess where they come from. And that stuff can kill you. Remember the baby food scandal, and the pet food crap? All Chinese junk. You'd rather pay $15 for a cheap Walmart Chinese item than $29 for a USA item.

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infocyde March 29, 2012 at 3:20 pm

Why are we buying critical submarine parts and parts for F-22 Raptors off shore anyway? Didn’t anyone see this as a natsec issue from the get go? Or do our transnational corporations own our foreign policy so much that national security concerns were over ridden? Who are the idiots running the show here? China will loot us for all the industrial know-how and technology that they can and then they will nationalize US holdings in China. Yet are corporations for a little bling up front and promises of more bling later are selling us down the banana republic road.

F**kers.

And yeah, I do go out of my way to buy American products when I can. When I can’t I try to buy from allied countries, then neutral. When nothing is left I buy from China.

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Erich March 29, 2012 at 3:25 pm

Same old same old. The wealthy CEOs make their money by saving money. So it will go on and on. We will have to keep on suffering and there isn't a thing anyone can do except the government but the government is controlled by corporations.

Wait a minute! You know I remember 30 years ago when China was making bolts for construction here in the U.S. with fake ASTM numbers stamped on them and some purportedly in the World Trade Center and other buildings in NYC. So this is not a new thing.

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bronxboymike March 29, 2012 at 5:10 pm

Congress and the American public should be more outraged that any tax dollars are being spent to purchase items of national security interest from a Communist country that is our most likely enemy in a future major war. Would we have allowed US defense contractors to purchase Soviet made parts during the Cold War? Absolutely not, and for the same reasons. Does China care if the parts work? It's not in their national security interests to sell their adversary parts that work. My father fought to leave a Communist country during the Cold War and is probably rolling over in his grave with how the US is willingly enabling a Communist country to overtake us. It's a national disgrace and a national security issue.

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infocyde March 29, 2012 at 6:08 pm

If we get into a shooting war with China, or any war for that matter in which they don’t wish us to succeed, can we ask for a time out in fighting if we are short of parts? “Hey, we need some more widgets for the F-22′s so we can establish air superiority over the South China Sea. Can we stop the war for a little while so you guys can send us more parts?”

Our corporations and their greed have taken over national security and sold us down a river. Current idiots who let this happen should be show a vocation more suitable to their talents like [your worst job here], and then shewn away from anything to do with national security ever again. Or prison would work too.

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Robert March 30, 2012 at 2:42 pm

How about using parts buoy in America by Americans for American troops? Guess that's just too easy…

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Tom Agin March 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm

I am glad that our military in WW2 didn't rely on Japan and Nazi Germany for our Military supplies.

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Usukmias March 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm

With the price of anything military, how can they justify the farming out of parts. I mean come on people. Why has The United States of America decided to pump all the dollars into RED CHINA? It took a Democratic President to show things as they really are. Now we are left with…When the USA is a bad boy to China, they can not only pull the trigger on any shipment of parts but replicate the weapons built around the parts they currently make. The World Economy idea sucks. Unless you are one of the hidden filthy rich.

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Ex-AF March 30, 2012 at 4:43 pm

If you are buying your weapons from a foreign country then you are a client state. Ipso facto.

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Gerry Feher March 30, 2012 at 5:28 pm

How stupid can this country be? These GAO morons are undermining the US sovereignty . Why possibly buy part NOT made in the US ? Especially parts designated for US military.

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Jim 38yr ship bldr. March 30, 2012 at 8:15 pm

This is where competition (cost) not quality steps in. I worked as a ship building outfit as an estimator (38 Years) now retired. I fought evryone to not use the foreign materials, tech., labor just because it was a quater cheaper. In the long run the equipment cost more not only in money but human lives. USAF 1969 Vietnam Vet. I know what it means to have equipment that is inferior to the enemy.
WHERE WAS QC??
USA will be superior in almost every way soon-wait and see!!!!
hang-in
Jim

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Guest April 4, 2012 at 7:57 pm

lol, keep dreaming…

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Marine84 March 31, 2012 at 12:54 am

What I don't believe about this is that the US is sourcing critical military components from one of its main rivals in international politics. Of course they don't care if the parts are fake, makes their job easier in the event of war.

What lame politician thought this up?

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Nate March 31, 2012 at 11:47 am

Here is an idea, only buy weapons and military parts from US companies. In time of war we wont be able to get parts from anyone but ourselves. Wake up people…

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mike March 31, 2012 at 2:48 pm

This is the biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard. China isn't our friend. They are our enemy and our defense is depending on parts from them. I have heard of stupidity, but this takes the Cake.

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SEMPER FI March 31, 2012 at 2:54 pm

NO MILITARY PARTS SHOULD BE MADE OVERSEAS ANYWHERE, I DON'T CARE HOW FRIENDLY WE ARE TO SOME COUNTRIES.

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Dave March 31, 2012 at 3:26 pm

lol. US sucks! Corruption at its BEST! Contract with China = someone got good money :) Any politicians involved? lol . you bet! US companies overseas = corruption again. Joe got no job…cause politicians and CEOs make more money through China! Yay! Now what! Obama hands are tied! Laws and senate don't let change to occure or something like that! Yay we stuck.

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medicman615 March 31, 2012 at 4:48 pm

China is not our friend. China has not been our friend for centuries and, up to very recently, openly proclaimed their status as our enemy. The Chinese understand far more readily than do Americans, obviously, that economic warfare is far more effective and detrimental than open military conflict. This IS NOT the only problem emanating from trade with China. Some other problems of note are the poisonous powdered milk and baby food and formula that has contaminated America and Americans. Rampant job loss is another. When are we going to wake up and realize China IS NOT interested or concerned with our welfare? Reality is quite the opposite; they see us only as a resource for growth by whatever means.

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passingby March 31, 2012 at 5:21 pm

LOL. The toxic powdered milk and baby food scandal actually broke out and killed scores of infants in China, not America. The products were all for sale in China, not overseas. You might want to double check the drugs that you've been taking, especially if they are from US pharmaceutical companies.

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Bob Burrell March 31, 2012 at 5:25 pm

The computer chip in your passport is made overseas also , how smart is that ?

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HANK HILL March 31, 2012 at 7:20 pm

WOULD NOT BUY FROM THEM AT ALL! LETS PUT OUR OWN PEOPLE TO WORK TO MAKE THE PARTS!

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Leon Day April 1, 2012 at 6:13 am

The latest I heard was that chinese will be offering sperms to make kids.At a special price,so the mothers in america dosnt wory any more about the high cost of giving birth,

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ONTIME April 1, 2012 at 2:36 pm

Still something to be said about "Made In America"…..I wonder if that what was stamped on the PRC parts?

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david April 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm

why are we buying anything from foreign countries that go into our military, that is just plain STUPID. why dont we just buy our bombs from iran. OMG really.. WTF.. how stupid are our leaders? shouldn't even be buying band aids from anyone but USA made. are we buying food from them also? JACKASSES..

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amal purnomo April 2, 2012 at 2:54 am

American owe with China About one trillion dollar, i think most american peple like stupid.

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david April 2, 2012 at 10:26 am

How many young men and woman have died for this country to stop the spread of communism. And now we are in debt and going deeper into red china. And handing them America on a plate. Do Americans not realize what would happen to us if china decided not to trade with us? We would be screwed.. All our factories are closed and/or demolished. Stand up America Buy American when you can. And if there is no choice take a step back and ask yourself "do I really need this china crap in my home" research where your stuff is made. Google any product and company before you make a major purchases. I will go without before I ever walk into a wal-mart.

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Mbcreamer April 3, 2012 at 9:20 am

So if they are selling fake parts, do we get to make a fake payment?

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boberic April 3, 2012 at 11:47 am

Re the Transmogrifier, Look up Turboencapulator on U-Tube it sounds like one of the fake chinese parts.

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gt350 April 3, 2012 at 5:29 pm

Is just me but why would ANY military part come from China– next will be getting fuel rods from Iran.

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Salspeed April 3, 2012 at 8:48 pm

Thank You "Tricky Dickie" ( i hope some of you still remember who he was)
Now for the real "reality check" Who in The Hell runs the Chinese manufacturers??? OOOHHHH here is a hint it is the Chinese Army/Generals and all of their hand picked Chronies, I would love to meet the Idiot who signed off on the order to buy these parts! i have a couple of American made pieces of hardware and one from Austria that would love to show him the difference between friends and foes!

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eddyjames1952 April 3, 2012 at 9:58 pm

Let me see if I've got this straight.The government,I guess that's our US government is buying parts for our weapons systems that we depend on to keep us safe from the Chinese.And the government is surprised we've been getting "Fake" parts in the deal? What surprises me most about this is that who ever authorized the Chinese to have the plans for the parts hasn't been shot for treason.Along with who ever OK'd buying them.

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Henry April 3, 2012 at 10:25 pm

Our congress is more worried about getting reelected than fixing the problem.

What most people don’t understand is that mission critical parts are no longer made in the United States or even in a country friendly to the United States, but are made in China. The same China that although they claim to have no hostile intent have engage in several weapons programs with the sole purpose of developing a system to cripple or destroy a United States aircraft carrier.

I won’t even get into the hacking or espionage that is sanctioned by the Chinese.

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Sylvia D. Lucas April 4, 2012 at 8:21 am

"Dramaitc"?

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Homer April 4, 2012 at 5:59 pm

I don't care what people say, Chinese parts and things made in China are just plain JUNK! They are just cheaper and that is the reason they sell, BUT……the other reason is: This nation is being sold down the proverbial crap hole because some one in wash.D.C decided we needed to be a one world entity; i.e. the North American Union…To do that this nations base has to be destroyed! It's foundation of God, Family, manufacturing etc has to be destroyed from w/in, so, that is what is happening!! Get ready for the crap to hit the fan!!!

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Norman Copeland April 4, 2012 at 6:06 pm

First we need to stop borrowing money from China then worry about what is real or fake

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Hazegray April 4, 2012 at 6:26 pm

Mil.-Spec, Levelized material. Where is it. I thought we learned something after Japanese arresting cables took two sailors legs off after they snapped in a carrier landing. Cheap isn't the problem. We dont make anything any more, putting all of our trust in a proven enemy. Thanks Bill Clinton for giving China "most favored nation" status. That were it all started.

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Phil Turner April 4, 2012 at 6:32 pm

I thought that we had laws forbidding the purchasing parts for the Defense Department from Foreign Nations! What kind of dumb US purchasing agents are doing that, and why are they not fired?

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j force April 4, 2012 at 6:39 pm

Why in the world would we buy parts for our national defense/armed forces from a foreign communist country bent on our destruction in the first place?

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Dale April 4, 2012 at 6:57 pm

Why are we buying from China in the first place. I know certain electronics may have to come from Asia because of technology rights. If you are a company and you send a print to China to see if they will quote you, China will make a copy of that print and become your competition. China is not our friends and may be a part of the next great war.

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Steven Davis April 4, 2012 at 7:07 pm

The real question here is NOT 'why is china doing this' but 'WHY is our congress ALLOWING the USA to put American contractors out of work,hamstring our ability to wage war and diminish our GDP? name the traitors,Military.com!

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Ed Goldberg April 4, 2012 at 7:09 pm

When I was a Logistic Specalist for NAVAIR the slogan was buy American. What ever happened to that way of doing business?

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jbabb April 4, 2012 at 7:14 pm

The reason you make your military parts IN YOUR COUNTRY is so that you always have access to production and can verify the quality. If we bought any computer chips from China, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that those chips are sending back secure data to the Chinese.

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Bob G April 4, 2012 at 7:14 pm

Just a thought but since the government has zero accountability anyway why don't we close the GOA and then spend the billions of dollars that they sqaunder making the equipment we need to defend OUR country here in OUR country.

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morganJ April 4, 2012 at 7:23 pm

So let me get this straight – our government is buying vital parts for sensitive and secret weapons systems from China? Not only is this shipping money to a potential enemy but it is making all of our systems vulnerable to Chinese hacking and disabling by remote. On top of all that it is spending tax payer money in a tight economy to pay foreign workers!

This Administration has continued to demonstrate a desire to see our military and country in ruins. When will people wake up to that fact? When they are forced to do all business in Mandarin, I guess.

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F.R.Wilson April 4, 2012 at 7:31 pm

When you speak of 'parts' here, do you mean rubber shower shoes for the chiefs' head and cutlery for the officers' wardroom? Surely we're not buying hydraulic pumps, propeller shafts, torpedoes or cruise missiles from the Chicoms?

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Robert J Wheeler April 4, 2012 at 7:52 pm

I just read an article in the American Legion magazine. The article had a great line. If you hurt the economy. You hurt the country. China is doing that to the USA. We have our idiot CEO's sending our jobs to China. This is what you get for your trouble: fake parts, poison in our baby food and exploding fire crackers.

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STEVE TALLEY April 4, 2012 at 7:54 pm

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP

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Geoff April 4, 2012 at 8:07 pm

Take a moment and look around your home, look at your electronics, kitchen wares, furniture, garden equipment, clothes, toothbrushes, etc. The label of each item says what country that item was made in. How many from the USA, Brazil, European countries, Tiwan, Japan, and China? Make a list and see what you have. I'll bet you dollars to donuts the majority were made in China. Gotta start somewhere.

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Larry April 4, 2012 at 8:17 pm

What's appalling is that we aquire any military parts or equipment from China at all, period.

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tinnoker April 4, 2012 at 8:43 pm

I did a couple of military contracts 20 or so years ago, my contract stated that materials had to be manuf. in the US and they were inspected to be as such before I got paid. It was tough to find even back then but worth it I think, what happened to that rule???

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blight_ April 4, 2012 at 9:38 pm

Good question. Perhaps the rule is now "manufactured or vetted to be equivalent to product made in the United States"?

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Neal Hardy April 4, 2012 at 9:51 pm

We should find every fake part that China has ever sold us and deduct it from the $100 billion dollars a day (interest) on the debt that we pay China. Also, we need to stop sharing our technology with others. Technology is what maes a military strong. We are just stepping on our own toes.

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sapphiraa April 4, 2012 at 9:57 pm

liberals? democrats? WHOA WHOA WHOA! isnt it republicans who got us into the financial mess were in right now? and isnt it democrats who are trying to help small businesses right now while republicans bitch and scream that large companies should hold monopoly over everything so their own wallets get fatter? damn i hate morons who cant see past their own noses….oh and…STOP BUYING FOREIGN MADE PARTS FOR OUR MILITARY

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Gary Picha April 4, 2012 at 10:03 pm

What the hell happened to "sub safe". , where you could track down who mined the rock that the ore cam from! What ass commited this!! They should be strung up bu their balls & left to die. Our tax dollars not at work here. How much did this SOB get paid off. Dumb ass MF. Yeah I said it WTF are you gonna do about it, assho– eyes!!!

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Will April 7, 2012 at 9:03 am

SUBSAFE only applies to parts exposed to seawater pressure that can flood the people tank. AFAIK, that program has not been compromised. Or at least I hope not.

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mogul264 April 4, 2012 at 10:06 pm

This is another reason to BUY AMERICAN! And, perhaps, discontinue buying from China, with whom we already have a large trade deficit! They should be buying parts from us! Any fool with half a brain should know they are not doing business with us for OUR benefit! Wake UP, people.

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Jim April 4, 2012 at 10:26 pm

So why not just keep wsting time and money buying parts we know that are fake. Have another study done to see what can be done about this problem.
Or, let's just not buy anything outside this country. Maybe then our economy might grow a bit. It will stimulate our economy by creating the jobs the Washington DC has promised but can't deliver, the parts will be of a better quality, and it might just make the other countries take notice.

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guru April 5, 2012 at 12:47 am

we pay less for unemployment than we would to give our own citizens a full time job with overtime and benefits.

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Kirby W Gamel April 5, 2012 at 1:04 am

And why is it exactly that we are buying US Government parts from China?

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passingby April 5, 2012 at 2:30 am

Because American companies are making parts there?

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dragonaria April 5, 2012 at 8:10 am

bought something from china, you just make the china is getting reach,and your own country is getting weak.

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Chief Jones April 5, 2012 at 8:41 am

U.S. manufacturing has gone to " HELL". The fake parts issue can be solved by the purchasing company requireing that ALL parts are to made in the USA.
You can't give the Chinese too much hell though, what if they sent a couple of " knee breakers over here to collect what we owe em?

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Bill April 5, 2012 at 8:59 am

You know how to fix the problen. Stop buying parts or anything from China. Let's start making stuff in the USA.

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PMG April 5, 2012 at 9:14 am

A few comments… Many of the US weapons systems are very old, and most of the electronic components that are needed to keep them functional are no longer manufactured or available from authorized distributors. (Just as an example, altho it is not a weapons system, look at the Space Shuttle. Main reason that the program ended was because parts were no longer available for it. The Shuttles were flying with 386 computer hardware… Do you know how hard it is to find a new & unused radiation-hardened 386 computer chip these days? NOT POSSIBLE!!! No one makes them anymore because 386 chips are obsolete, and because technology has changed so much since the early 90s, replacement chips cannot be used…) More on next post

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PMG April 5, 2012 at 9:15 am

Continued from previous post: So, the Gov't is always looking for old replacement parts, much of which cannot be found with any sort of documentation. Add to the problem – many European countries & the US are sending their E-Waste to China. China has all these old computers, routers, cell phones, etc, as a source of chips. The Chinese companies break up the E-Waste, remove the chips (desolder them over a fire), wash them in a river. straighten the leads, and then re-mark them as something that is unavailable… Other companies buy /sell the chips and they make their way into this country… Now, China know that these items are being counterfeited, but they do not care. It is big business for their companies / people, and an annoyance for foreigners.

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RichardBennison April 5, 2012 at 9:31 am

So where is the leak that gave the Chinese the design specs of the parts the GAO bought? Isn't that treason? Oh, I forgot, all's fair in greed and corruption these days in the U.S. Government, especially with Obama at the helm getting ready to sell us out !!!!

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J April 5, 2012 at 9:31 am

Folks, we’re all missing the big picture. The reason we HAVE to trade with China is because we owe them gazillions of dollars. We need to stop borrowing money from China, pay off our debts, then remove them from “Most favored Nation” trading status.
You can thank Nixon for that gem. Now, factor in the fact that China is the most pro-active nation for cyber hacking and counterfeit goods. I’m sure no American is happy with that whatsoever. Wake up folks.

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Doug Randall April 5, 2012 at 9:57 am

Why in God's name are we buying critical military parts from of all places China?????

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JW Bodean April 5, 2012 at 10:45 am

Keep buying crap from our loyal & trusted friend, China, because we don't want anything of their size to be mad at us!
Keep feeding our kids leaded paint chips and play with dangerous toys to keep our loving friends on our side!
Let them shoot down our planes and keep prisoners in top-notch, state of the art holding pens,… fill our store shelves with nothing but their products because they are so darned good at manufacturing all the finest foods and household products!
Who needs jobs in America, when we can get such nice stuff at such an affordable price???
Then, sometime down the road, when they decide it's time to declare war on us, we can shoot 'em with our cap-guns!
China ruvs us wrong time!

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Leo Johnson April 5, 2012 at 11:20 am

You See What Happens When You Keep Electing The Same Old Fuddie Duddies to aour Government Positions.Let's get rid of Them in The Up Cming Elections.

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Mario Antonio April 5, 2012 at 11:56 am

This is an example of American greed. As an individual I will go on semi- hunger strike with rice and water for USA to limit or disconnect trade with China. We lost another freedom , to freely have a choice of country of origin of the product we buy. Now it's made in China or not available.

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C. Smith, USN Ret. April 5, 2012 at 12:20 pm

First of all why aren't Americans building weapons and planes for America ? Whoses bright idea was it to employee Chinese and entrust the safety of our armed forces and millions of Americans to any one else but Americans ?

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HTC April 5, 2012 at 2:10 pm

heres a real novel idea make all military supply parts in the U.S.

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Jack Mehoff April 5, 2012 at 7:42 pm

Home grown? It was fat union thuggery and corporate greed that got us to this situation in the first place.

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Tom April 5, 2012 at 9:20 pm

There are TWO (2) reasons for the Chinese continuing with the fake parts. One is to finance their own military build up, and another is to do damage to our military, first by injecting inferior parts into our inventories thereby significantly increasing the probability of failure under heavy use, as in wartime, and second, by inundating our supply system with fake parts the far more sinister design of espionage and/or remotely controlled sabotage occurs. This has been going on with regard to our IT systems for quite a while. Some major international defense contractors even have Chinese nationals with close connection to Bejing in executive positions.

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nobsartist April 6, 2012 at 7:19 am

The first military program that used foriegn sourced parts was the HUMVEE. Thank Reagun for that along with the health care debacle. Simple solution- BAN ALL FORIEGN OWNED BUSINESS FROM BIDDING ON GOVERNMENT WORK. Like BAE for example.

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Frankie April 6, 2012 at 12:36 pm

China, our friend you got to be kidding. I once had a women stay with me from China and she stated that the only reason they come here to go to school is to steal from us and take back our knowledge and us it against us. It can't be any clearer to me and in fact i notified my Congressman Paul Ryan about it………… and what is being done nothing we continue to get many students{spy's} from China .

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tailhook April 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm

I know it a reverse situation, however, Wasn't it Comrade Marx that said that a capitalist is a person that will sell them the rope that they will hang you with????

captnron

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Hickelbilly April 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm

Bet China is really careful in making weapons parts. Bet they have a real concern about the safty of our troops and the American Citizen. Maybe we should go the cheaper way and hire the Taliban and the Iranian Army to protect us.

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Fred April 7, 2012 at 6:54 pm

Do we get a refund on those items? I would like to have that money put back into the Government coffers and get a pay raise next year.

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Retired Gunner April 9, 2012 at 1:29 pm

If China cannot be trusted (haha) then refuse to buy from them; and maby refuse to sell certain things to them.

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Joseph April 13, 2012 at 8:23 am

So, they not only counterfeit our currency but weapons and electronic parts too. Here is a thought. The Chinese want to call in our war debt to them; then I say we return the favor and stop all trade with them and see if it hurts them as much as it would if say we lost an Americans life due to fake parts.

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Dennis May 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm

What outrages me is that the US Government would buy parts for our ships, aircraft and weapons systems from China.
Keep it American you idiots. The Chinese government knows the parts are fake and does not care. They laugh at you for sabataging yourself and they don't have to do it.
You kiss China's butt because you think you can make lots of money over there. Your wrong. Chinese Government can step into their economy anytime and pull the plug because their a socialistic dictatorship with full control. Just like in Russia. If people get to rich and develop political ambitions that threaten their control they will shut it down.
You kiss their butt but yet they launch a balistic missle from one of their subs 35 miles off the coast of Los Angeles. Russia in all the times of the "Cold War" did not dare do this. This act is a threat against the American people. In the past was a tit for tat verbal exchange between administrations. To launch a balistic missle off the coast of the US is a direct threat against the American People as a whole threatening our existance. It was an act of war.
If you cant protect us and look out for our country instead of the all mighty dollar? Get the hell out of office and my country.

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blight_ March 29, 2012 at 2:06 am

Didn't Thoreau try tax evasion because he didn't agree on paying for the military?

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passingby March 29, 2012 at 4:56 am

back in the beginning when there were no brits on any of those islands.

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otto March 29, 2012 at 12:06 pm

Who do you jail? In a corporation, the CEOs were just “doing their job.” They didn’t know their underlings ordered the counterfits. The “corporation” is to blame and you can’t jail a fictitious person. Until the supreme court decides to remove some of the power of personhood from a corporation, we will continue to have few people to put into the country club prisons.

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blight_ March 29, 2012 at 3:29 pm

True, but to a multi-nat that builds at chinese wages and sells at American it will always be a better deal. Maybe they have it good, but if Americans were willing to work for free you'd see everything come back to America. At what price?

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TMB March 29, 2012 at 7:07 pm

Here's a relevant real world example: the Chinese military spends around $50 billion a year right now. Last year, the US Army (just the Army) spent $46 billion on payroll.

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joe March 30, 2012 at 6:13 am

Or anyone from Argentina, or, indeed, anyone else at all except penguins. The first two settlements on the islands were in the 1760s and were Port St Lois (French) and Port Egmont (British).

CBM's comment refers to the current population of the islands who have vocally and by a very significant majority expressed a desire to remain a British crown dependency.

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blight_ March 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm

And for reading material at night:
http://sniggle.net/Experiment/index5.php?entry=rt

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passingby March 31, 2012 at 1:01 am

false.

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Sailor87 April 4, 2012 at 5:52 pm

Forget about which island belongs to UK, the point is… CHINA IS OUR ENEMY…..

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theantiidiot April 5, 2012 at 12:27 am

You Sir, are an idiot

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Will April 7, 2012 at 8:57 am

Plenty of aircraft parts still being made in the US. I work for a machine tool company servicing equipment and most of my customers produce aircraft parts. From seating to landing gear there are still a lot produced here.
Having said that, our manufacturing base is shrinking. Not only from companies outsourcing parts for economic reasons, but they can't find people who want to work in a manufacturing environment. And these are not low wage jobs either.

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Anontoo April 16, 2012 at 11:43 am

"… and thousands of skilled potential employees who'd love the opportunity to do this…" as long as you agree to pay the extremely high wages our workers demand for the same services. Otherwise, you will have to deal with the labor unions and their high-paid, or is it high-powered, lawyers. Let's face it, Americans' greed has led to this debacle… We want to be paid the most to do the least. Unions own the workers, and the politicians. Who is really benefitting?

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