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Inside the Army’s Secret Cold War Ice Base

by John Reed on April 6, 2012

No, this picture doesn’t show a black and white image of the rebel base on the ice planet Hoth. It’s part of a semi-secret, nuclear-powered U.S. Army base that was built under the Greenland ice cap only 800 miles from the North Pole. The base was officially built to conduct scientific research but the real reason was apparently to test out the feasibility of burying nuclear missiles below the ice under an effort known as Project Iceworm. Remember, Greenland is way closer to Russia than the ICBM fields located in the continental U.S. Rumor has it that the Danish government had no idea that the U.S. was considering installing nuclear missiles on Greenland.

The 200-man base was massive , described by some as an underground city, and consisted of 21 steel-arch covered trenches; the longest of which was 1,100-feet long, 26-feet wide and 26-feet high. These tunnels contained numerous prefabricated buildings that were up to 76-feet long. The base was powered by a portable PM-2A nuclear reactor that produced two megawatts of power for the facility.

In all, the base featured:

Living quarters, a kitchen and mess hall, latrines and showers, a recreation hall and theater, a library and hobby shops, a dispensary, operating room and a ten bed infirmary, a laundry facility, a post exchange, scientific labs, a cold storage warehouse, storage tanks, a communications center, equipment and maintenance shops, supply rooms and storage areas, a nuclear power plant, a standby diesel-electric power plant, administrative buildings, utility buildings, a chapel and a barbershop.

The base operated from 1959 to 1966 when shifting icecap made living there impossible. Today, it’s buried and crushed beneath the Arctic snows.

Click through the jump to see more pictures of the base and to watch a great video on its construction. The last photo shows a map of the base’s location in Greenland.

One of the base’s 16 escape hatches onto the surface of Hoth, I mean Greenland.
One of the prefab buildings inside the tunnels of Camp Century.
Under construction.
The base water well, dug 150-feet into the ice where a heating coil then melted ice for fresh drinking water.
The nuclear reactor.
The reactor controls
Camp Century in 1969, three years after it was abandoned.
The base’s layout.
The location of Camp Century.
Click here to learn more about the base.
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blight_ April 6, 2012 at 2:19 pm

Pretty sure nobody is going to try UrbEx'ing…

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Rohan April 6, 2012 at 2:30 pm

Ohhhh Waoooooo…awesome

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Pat April 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm

All of the hidden/unknown things that happened in the Cold War era are so damn interesting!

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FormerDirtDart April 6, 2012 at 3:43 pm

its not all that hidden/unknown, at least not for the last 15 years.

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Guest A April 6, 2012 at 2:45 pm

Where did they hide the ion cannon?

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jamFRIDGE April 7, 2012 at 8:19 am

Or the shield generator?

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yurmothersicebase April 28, 2014 at 2:10 am

They disguised it as the nuclear reactor

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UAVgeek April 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm

You get to it via the South Entrance.

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Lance April 6, 2012 at 3:03 pm

Interesting idea but too bad the ice destroyed so much wonder whats left???

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bumpkin January 16, 2014 at 4:31 am

Absolutely TONS and TONS of Litter, I will bet. Darmed litterbugs! They ought to be made to completely clean it up. I totally cannot imagine the Danes having to wipe the backside of the US Army. We ought to be 'better' than to leave a mess for others. Something tells me that since the shifting ice crushed the base, that digging every piece out of the ice was too dangerous, and was not fully accomplished by anyone yet. Suppose there is still a nuclear power plant crushed down there?… I would LOVE to hear from the Danes on the mess that is left. I swear, I have NEVER known a man who could clean up his mess completely. –OMIGOSH! I'll bet THAT is exactly why our military finally allowed women into the fighting ranks! Clean-up on Foxhole Twelve! Mommy!

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A. Nonymous April 6, 2012 at 4:05 pm

I guess we know where Alistair MacLean got the idea for Ice Station Zebra. And I hope (and I'm sure the Danes do as well) that we packed up the reactor and took it home with us before we abandoned the base!

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dimeck April 6, 2012 at 4:21 pm

Everything was fine with this base until AT-ATs launched an attack.

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Johnny Ranger April 7, 2012 at 12:23 am

Hahaha!!! Awesome! I was thinking the same thing!!!!

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spongceaik April 8, 2012 at 11:22 am

oh my god the communists have AT-ATs we're all screwed

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UAVgeek April 9, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Damn that General Veers.

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Kilo70 April 6, 2012 at 6:18 pm

Where is the Rebel Base?

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Guest A April 9, 2012 at 6:56 am

Somewhere on the third planet in the Hoth system…

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jamesb April 6, 2012 at 7:05 pm

COST?

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Poopy April 8, 2012 at 10:05 am

Who cares we're the government!

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Commie Must DIE April 10, 2012 at 2:12 pm

Are you some kind of pinko commie! NO COST WAS TOO HIGH! LOL

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jake March 17, 2014 at 12:23 am

total original cost was about ……9,000,000………quite reasonable considering the power plant cost was about 5 million of the total. however maintenence of the site over 6 years increased the overall price by a few million.

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tiger April 6, 2012 at 8:10 pm

This like James Bond /SPECTRE type stuff. Like "You only live twice" & the Rocket base in a Japanese Volcano. How come we can build a nuclear powered Ice base in the 1950's; Yet, in 2012 No World Trade Center replacement still????

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EW3 April 6, 2012 at 10:35 pm

Leadership.

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Anonymous April 6, 2012 at 11:04 pm

How come we can build nuclear powered ice bases in the 1950's; Yet, in 2012 we can't have universal healthcare in a 1st world country?

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passingby April 7, 2012 at 3:20 am

It's because contrary to public illusion, the US government is NOT a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

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jamFRIDGE April 7, 2012 at 8:17 am

Because “if you don’t work, you don’t eat.” Capitalism. You want everything given to you, go to a socialist country

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passingby April 7, 2012 at 10:14 am

You don't know what you are talking about. (obviously a victim of the mainstream media)

The US is a socialist country !!!!!! (e.g. taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich — wrong direction, granted, but still socialist in nature).

In some respects, the US is a communist country (e.g. distributing gambling losses of the incompetent, reckless banking corporations to the masses).

If you want real capitalism, go to China.

blight_ April 7, 2012 at 6:48 pm

It was around this time we sent the Triton around the world…

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The Bear April 8, 2012 at 4:13 am

You mean like in Europe, where health care comes down to the smallest common denominator, and where, if you want the top notch, really good stuff, you have to pay for it yourself anyway?

Despite of what American liberals may think, healthcare in the EU has massive issues by now. All countries are bankrupt (yeah, they are, every country has a rising national debt thanks to decades of neo-socialist spending without control) and nationalized health insurances have been taking a dive for a while.

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blight_ April 7, 2012 at 8:43 am

Government spending. The private sector won't drop a building into Antarctica for fun.

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Silver Fox April 7, 2012 at 11:15 am

politicians

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@TravelDignity April 9, 2012 at 1:43 pm

because the world trade center replacement involves civilian bureaucracy. everything is faster when you can just give an order and make it happen with out regard for cost, life, or limb.

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stephen russell April 6, 2012 at 8:20 pm

Love to renovate & make into a Cold War Hotel alone.
& acess Canada from base too & have Ice tunnel for nuclear sub to enter city port for under ice tours. Awesome IF renovated using prefab modules.
Radical,
$$$$$$

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blight_ April 7, 2012 at 8:49 am

…the base shifted too much and was destroyed within years.

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Richard O'Brien April 6, 2012 at 8:50 pm

DEW: Distant Early Warning Line
BMEW: Ballistic Missile Early Warning Line (PAVPAWS).
Last time I checked, Russia had 10,000 nuclear weapons designed to strike the U.S. and her Allies (Bulletin of Atomic Scientists). China has not the commonly circulated 300 but 3,000 nukes. With Russia, these numbers are comparable to 1960s levels. The Grand Illusion, the Great Myth, is that there was an "End to the Cold War". With the unilateral disarmament of the West, you may very well discover the Muslim Turks or Russians steam rolling through Western Europe to the English Channel within weeks.

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EW3 April 6, 2012 at 10:37 pm

Very good observation.

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Johnny Ranger April 7, 2012 at 12:28 am

That PRC "3,000 nuke" thing has been debunked. It originated with a professor and a bunch of college students, based on "potential" capability, which in turn was based on "estimated" storage capcity – NOT production capacity. I read the report – it was well-written and convincing, but unltimately based on the wrong set of assumptions. That being said, 300 nukes is still 300 nukes!!!

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passingby April 7, 2012 at 10:20 am

both 300 and 3000 are unverifiable figures. The only question is which figure is likely to be closer to the actual quantity.

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stephen April 11, 2012 at 9:32 pm

And do you think with the spy camera's in space that can spot a ball bearing the Americans wouldn't notice something was up when they started to fuel up 300 or 3000 missiles

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Mike April 8, 2012 at 8:58 pm

Johnny, do you have any remote idea of the destructive potential of even a small nuke? 300 nuclear devices, each independently targeted on a major US City? Are you SURE that there are "only 300 nukes"? Because I've seen and heard a lot of stuff in the last few years that'd "been debunked", so….

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Tud April 10, 2012 at 9:15 am

No big deal. Pretty much every major country today could destroy the world a thousand times if it wanted to by starting a nuclear war (even if you don’t have weapons, it can’t be so difficult to convince one that does to do it).

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@NelC April 7, 2012 at 12:57 am

Or you might find nothing of the sort happening in the several years since the USA and USSR started reducing their stockpiles.

Also, your counting is seriously off. START 1 limits Russia to less than 4000 warheads, and New START cuts that figure down.

And… Turkey? Seriously?

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blight_ April 7, 2012 at 8:49 am

Turkey has a smallish professional army and its own arms industry. Perhaps one of the few "Middle Eastern" countries that can reliably make much of its weapons in-house.

Then again, just pick and choose any random Muslim country on a map to use for scaremongering. Oh my god, they have Constantinople and will be at Vienna next! It's 1453 all over again.

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The Bear April 8, 2012 at 4:18 am

“What the Ottoman empire failed to achieve with its armies at both sieges of Vienna, we will achieve with our fertile women.” Erdogan’s own words. He also said that the mosques are their barracks, the minarets their bayonets and the domes their helmets. He called integration a “crime against humanity” and thanks to such ideas countries like Germany have a rising issue with Turkish immigrants who refuse to integrate themselves, learn the language, and don’t even respect the law of the land.

Europe is in for massive issues, thanks to mass-immigration of the wrong people. Mohammedans in general don’t adapt well to “infidel” societies. Not all, of course, but the rising tensions all across the EU show clearly that they aren’t content with the massive amount of tolerance and financial aid they’ve been getting for years. They want more. They want the countries as a whole. Give them the little finger and they cut off your arm.

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Nenad April 8, 2012 at 5:39 pm

They use both, so call "soft" and military force as well! Don't forget invasion of Cyprus in 1974, Turkish "humanitarian aid" during Bosnian war, than Kosovo war with active role of Turkey. Their F16 were part of the NATO forces. I'll use Kosovo as example: In the begging of the 20th century only 30% of Kosovo population were Albanians and now they are over 90%. They used "birth bomb" tactics, street riots, than terror and finally war. Same "birth bomb" tactic is used all over Europe, the number of Muslims growing in France, Germany, Netherlands, only UK is relatively safe, but I must say relatively. Last year there were riots in UK, previously in France and Germany, Denmark and so on. Now the faze of terror started(in France) and one day probably open war.
Also most of heroine comes to Europe from Muslim countries, raw opium produced in Afghanistan, labs are in Iran, than it goes to Turkey, and for final distribution Albanians. Part of money goes for wars and terror, but more importantly for bribing of politicians.
Another weapon are high oil prices with idea of destroying EU and US economy.

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blight_ April 10, 2012 at 4:55 pm

We were talking about Turks, and now it's Albanians? Muslim peril, Muslim peril…!

TIm Uk April 8, 2012 at 7:52 pm

Hilarious

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AFRet05 April 9, 2012 at 10:33 am

Pave PAWS and BMEWS were 2 different, separate systems. Both still exist (recently modernized) although there are now only 2 Pave PAWS sites instead of 4.

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Andy Hughes August 3, 2012 at 2:43 pm

What, you mean those very same "Muslim Turks" who are trying to join the EU? American idiot.

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mike April 7, 2012 at 8:49 am

This was on the history channel a few years back. The movie clips were awesome and the story was more in depth.

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john green April 7, 2012 at 11:31 am

My uncle worked on the portable reactor, U-Illinois Physics grad, used to tell us stories of his time under the ice as a young physicist.

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Claus Hansen August 11, 2013 at 5:01 pm

Dear John Green.
Could I perhaps ask you to send me an email?
Greetings, Claus Hansen, Denmark

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GioCv April 7, 2012 at 1:25 pm

Today with the melting of ice , this will be so dangerous .

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blight_ April 7, 2012 at 4:15 pm

It was dangerous then for other reasons.

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Art Durante April 12, 2012 at 10:23 am

Bulls**t. The reactor was removed long ago. All that is left are old wooden buildings and some deformed metal braces. You are seriously deluded if you think the Greenland icecap is melting to a degree that would expose this old base.

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bump January 16, 2014 at 4:34 am

Actually, there is a marked shift, so the ice is not melting, but growing.

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blight_ April 7, 2012 at 4:18 pm

http://gombessa.tripod.com/scienceleadstheway/id9

Amusingly, Boy Scouts went to Camp Century.

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FormerDirtDart April 8, 2012 at 10:28 am

The video at the bottom of the page is great

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Mark Sullivan April 8, 2012 at 11:58 am

wasnt there underground airwing space also I remember landing there after Marine corp arctic missions

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Larry Norris April 12, 2012 at 3:12 pm

No, landings via copter or ski equiped planes

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D'Lene April 14, 2012 at 2:52 am

Speak English please.

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chuck April 8, 2012 at 2:28 pm

Can you say secret underground Behive…from Resident Evil…the Zombie Apacylips lmao

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justin April 9, 2012 at 7:46 am

I was thinking more of the Thing.

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D'Lene April 14, 2012 at 2:54 am

"the "speak English" was for Chuk uh sorry " chuck".

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tom April 18, 2012 at 11:55 am

Please my brother that and all this zombie stuff is for kids and some or if not allot of people are cashing in on this trend for which this is. even i like the movie "Resident Evil" allot because the woman star is just so hot and tuff as nails.But that's it just a movie nothing more.

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Tad April 8, 2012 at 2:45 pm

Awesome pics and article! Kudos.

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joe April 8, 2012 at 6:24 pm

I wood not like to be the one to have to live in that for 1 or 2 year.

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Larry Norris April 12, 2012 at 3:10 pm

i spent 31/2 months there in 1963 doing research as a drafted GI Elev of Camp was approx 6000 ft and coldest temp experienced was -57. Took emission readings on the nuclear plant and designed, built and operated the first wind-powered vehicle on the ice cap. It took a week to take supplies from a base on the west coast to the camp via Caterpillar D-8 and D-9 pulling large sleds and wagons

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Al Seibt April 8, 2012 at 6:50 pm

Imagine what the DUMBS look like now.

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Roland April 8, 2012 at 8:14 pm

Now you said, it's not secret anymore, is it?

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Walt April 9, 2012 at 11:25 am

HUM !, This makes me WONDER about the story of undersea floating missle launchers that the USSR reportedly had off the EAST COAST, near the deep water. Part of this was believed to be to produce a type of tidal wave. TRUE ?, you tell me. Possible, in that day and time, (60's,70's) I doubt it, but truth is OFTEN stanger than fiction.

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blight_ April 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm

The Americans didn't have the chutzpah to put missile launchers into close range of the Soviet Union…unless they were on SSBNs. The risk of detection and capture are ridiculous. It's worth it for things like ELINT. But…

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ArabiaTerra July 3, 2012 at 2:33 pm

That is the plot from a seventies adventure novel you're remembering, "A Raft of Swords" by Duncan Kyle (also published as "The Suvarov Adventure"). I don't think it actually really happened.

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Michael April 9, 2012 at 12:31 pm

Thank God I got orders to W. Germany in the fall of '62 just before the Cuban Missile Crisis got going! I spent 30 months there at two helicopter bases, with great off duty fun…Frankfurt and later Stuttgart had some great beerhalls and pubs. This Greenland site is astounding….I wonder what other former "secrets" of the Cold War are out there.

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Chuck A January 28, 2013 at 1:46 am

I was there in 1961 and 1962 based at Camp Tuto-for a tour of duty 2 years-6 months on-6months back at Ft. Belvoir, VA. Capt. Paige was my company commander. By the way , did you know there is a lake located at the base camp of Camp Tuto called Tuto lake ? The lake w/o a bottom , as Navy divers put it. We used D9 Cats with 500 gal diesel tanks hooked on the front and delivered supplies to Camp Century. Also , had crevasse detectors mounted on the lead cat that looked like half round dishes that would pick up a signal. And, Swiss polecats to carry vips on tour-tall boxy looking cats w/radar and a unit for passengers behind it. The D9 cats had tracks 6' wide to keep it on top of any loose snow. I am now 73 yrs old and living in Boise, Id. CA

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Remmert April 13, 2014 at 6:23 pm

That is so interesting.

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eggbert April 9, 2012 at 1:05 pm
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Infidel4LIFE April 9, 2012 at 1:49 pm

No women? No whiskey? Damn wat do you do 4 fun? I would go stir crazy. How bout YOU?

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Erich April 9, 2012 at 4:04 pm

Semi-sweet I remember reading a book entitled Genesis about the flying saucer developement by the Nazis that was transported to South America in subs before the allies found the base and later took that developemnet down into the Antarctic under the ice cap. Great book and a lot more to it than this.

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blight_ April 9, 2012 at 6:23 pm

My guess is the black oil under the arctic and The Thing defeated the Nazis post WW2…

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W. F. Weeks April 9, 2012 at 8:39 pm

I worked at Century during the Spring of ~1967 studying the properties of polar snow of varying densities as exposed in the inclined drift (CRREL Research Report 276). The under-snow camp had been abandoned in 1966 as the result of creep closure problems so we lived on the surface. However the old camp was still accessable and Austin Kovacs took me on a tour of the old facilities. We were able to access the reactor site and look down into the melt well. Closure there was extreme presumably as the result of the thermal effect of the reactor. In 1969 Kovacs returned to Century and photographically documented the state of the under ice camp (see CRREL Special Report 150). Deformation was extreme. That may have been the last time anyone accessed the old camp. I would guess that access today would be impossible. I do not know exactly when the reactor was removed but it probably was prior to 1965. In 67 nothing remained. As far as this being an environmental threat, forget it !! To the best of my knowledge there has never been an adequate historical account of the US military research activities during the late 50s and 60s in NW Greenland. Although in hindsight some of these activities were totally WHACKY, we definitely learned a lot about the difficulties encountered when operating in such locations.
W. F. Weeks
Wiily Weeks

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W. F. Weeks April 9, 2012 at 8:53 pm

I worked at Century during the Spring of ~1967 studying the properties of polar snow of varying densities as exposed in the inclined drift (CRREL Research Report 276). The under-snow camp had been abandoned in 1966 as the result of creep closure problems so we lived on the surface. However the old camp was still accessable and Austin Kovacs took me on a tour of the old facilities. We were able to access the reactor site and look down into the melt well. Closure there was extreme presumably as the result of the thermal effect of the reactor. In 1969 Kovacs returned to Century and photographically documented the state of the under ice camp (see CRREL Special Report 150). Deformation was extreme. That may have been the last time anyone accessed the old camp. I would guess that access today would be impossible. I do not know exactly when the reactor was removed but it probably was prior to 1965. In 67 nothing remained. As far as this being an environmental threat

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Xplode April 10, 2012 at 9:11 am

What the hell happened to the Nuclear reactor?

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blight_ April 10, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Taken back and scrapped. Even Wikipedia has the answer for that one.

Unless that's what the New World Order wants you think…

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SFC Willard Yuna April 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm

It was relocated to Fort Belvoir Va

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John April 10, 2012 at 9:24 am

Nothing secret about it. I recall reading a magazine article (National Geographic, IIRC) when I was young.

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Spike April 11, 2012 at 8:59 pm

How come we could build and hide a nuclear reactor under the ice in Greenland, but can't build one today anywhere in the US to power our cities and our homes? WTF people, it's the 21st century!! Nuclear power is the answer to many of our problems!

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ron kuntz April 12, 2012 at 9:47 am

while serving in the us army, 2nd photo platoon, i was assigned to shoot camp century on greenland's ice. was there four months, May to September of 1959. when we arrived at the site a temporary camp was set up and then using peter snow millers, digging the main trench and then the latteral trenches. when we left the ice cap, the atomic reacter trench was completed..only regret was i did not see it in its completion.

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Marty April 17, 2012 at 5:08 pm

Wait, U sure that is under the ice and not on the Moon?

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gary mathena April 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm

commander, prepare your forces for a ground assault!!!!!! Yes, lord vader.

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Army1973 April 18, 2012 at 10:30 am

Amazing.

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William R. Detrick April 21, 2012 at 6:26 pm

This is amazing, even today…2012

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R Lemons May 12, 2012 at 5:22 am

Wow! And, I was TDY to Thule Air Base in 1957 for Air Force survival training. Still have not lost the memory of the November cold and total outside darkness.

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Dave Stern September 30, 2012 at 6:33 am

My uSAF tenure in Thule was 62-63 and heard much about the base buried unde the Greenland ice cap. Isaw the tractor trains orange painted that visited Thule proper and picked up on supplies, parts, and other necessities to sustain life beneath the ice. There is also an article entitled "Our Secret Base Unde the Ice Cap" by author bruce Jacobs but unable to I.D. the magazine; the format and layout is of a U.S. large format magazine from yesteryear, i.e., Look, Colliers, Saturday Evening Post, etc. A fascinating engineering project. Another article entitled "Subways Under the Ice" is by James J. Haggert, Jr. appearing in Collier's May 11, 1956 Editon. It suggests even further expansion of the original plan s for under the ice aircraft and missile bases.

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So they just left all their rubbish to be crushed under the pristine environment, typical US

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jayhawk58 November 12, 2013 at 5:22 pm

Camps Tuto, Century and Fistclench look like they are located in the same sites that a group to which I was attached set up in 1953. We went out by snow tractors aided by celestial navigation and spent 4 months on the Icecap. Quite an experience for a 20 year old. They pulled us off the day the Korean peace accord was signed. A very happy day all the way around.

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Casey Becker December 21, 2013 at 9:46 pm

Just when you thought it was safe to come in from the cold….the cold….

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Casey Becker December 21, 2013 at 9:47 pm

is still cold…

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was retrograded to Idaho (hot skids)and Pennsylvania.(clean skids). Only the
digital clock from the Control Console ended up in Ft Belvoir, in the SM-1 Nuclear
Instrument Panel. I was in the Army Nuclear Power Program for nineteen years.

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I was there in 1964, it was a desert like place. no trees, girls. I delivered mail to century, a pilot and myself almost got done in by some strong cross winds and only through his skill am I here today Our small plane was blown all over. my unit was 46th eng bn const.

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beth April 3, 2014 at 12:51 pm

My dad was there. I have some awesome photos of that place. Like it or not it was an incredible accomplishment. There would be storms there with wind speeds so high it would pick up the heaviest poles and equipment and fly them across the base. Have photos of the hidden missiles that were pointed at cuba, too.

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passingby April 7, 2012 at 3:00 am

Not true. American architects have designed taller and more complex skyscrapers in China and yet many of those highrises have been completed within 2 years. Same for some complex designs by European architects in China. To illustrate, China's Capital International Airport terminal 3 is more sophisticated, and far bigger than the entire London Heathrow (5 terminals), and yet the former was finished in 4 years, under budget, months ahead of schedule, whereas the smaller, less complex Terminal 5 of the latter alone took 19 years from conception to completion, and was vastly over budget at 4 billion pounds.

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passingby April 7, 2012 at 9:22 am

Architecturally there is nothing special or difficult about the new One WTC (designed by SOM of Chicago) – it's of the same height as the old north tower, with a longer spire added to boost the height to 1776 feet. It's over 80 feet shorter than the Sears Tower (built 1970-193) when measured by roof height.

Burj Khalifa is currently the highest building at 830 meters (2723+ feet), also designed by SOM of Chicago, but was completed in less than 7 years. The much shorter and simpler One WTC has already taken 8 years.

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passingby April 7, 2012 at 9:23 am

edit: Sears Tower (built 1970-1973)

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passingby April 7, 2012 at 9:26 am

false information

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PMI April 7, 2012 at 3:00 pm

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passingby April 7, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Airports are built to comfortably handle projected increases in passengers in the future, not to attract passengers, as your post seems to suggest. It's the capacity that counts. I don't where you got your stats but I've taken a lazy route through Wiki: BCIA passengers (2010) 73,948,114. London Heathrow (2010) 65,881,660.

So your information was false. But you're welcome to disprove Wiki's info.

A while back there was a WSJ report indicating that the BCIA will be at full capacity years sooner than originally projected, and China was planning a second international airport somewhere between Beijing and its nearby port city of Tianjin, where Airbus is assembling aircraft and parts.

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passingby April 7, 2012 at 6:02 pm

quote: — "8 years, that includes no progress from 2004-2006 since the deal could not be finalized between the authority and thus no actual construction of the main tower started until 2006."

Thank You for proving my point (and arguing against yourself). Incompetent planning, execution, project management, logistics and operation control together with an incompetent government have been the cause for the delay. There is nothing complex about the new WTC tower itself.

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blight_ April 7, 2012 at 6:47 pm

Personally more intrigued by the Pearl River Tower. But it's an ironically "green" building mostly run by a tobacco company…in China.

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passingby April 8, 2012 at 2:01 am

Your stats seem to be wrong again. Note that there is a difference between designed capacity and actual passenger traffic. Anyway, while there are differences in stats from different sources, both designed capacity and actual passenger traffic are higher at BCIA than at London Heathrow.

My previous post showed stats for 2010. Below are stats for 2011:

BCIA (2011): 77,403,668

Heathrow (2011): 69,433,565

The gap will only be getting wider and wider. That's a consensus.

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passingby April 8, 2012 at 4:46 am

look at the stats table for 2011:
http://www.airports.org/cda/aci_common/display/ma

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passingby April 8, 2012 at 6:39 am

The Japanese firm responsible for financing got into trouble, if I remember correctly. Jin Mao was one of the earliest so-called "supertalls" there, before the onslaught of a building boom. It's only slightly shorter than One WTC. These are examples of buildings that are or will be taller than One WTC, in response to your question.

There are more completed buildings. You will find them if you spend some time on that site. It has a lot of great pictures from around the world. Don't just focus on China. Korea, Dubai, Malaysia, Indonesia etc all have some great buildings.

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passingby April 8, 2012 at 7:37 am

just remembered that the original SWFC design had been under fire from many local residents, who considered the round opening at the top a symbol of the Japanese flag. A public campaign to force a change in the design ensued and KPF, the architects for the project, changed the opening to a trapezoid in response. LOL!!

Anyway, most buildings in Asia (esp. Dubai, China, including Hong Kong & Macau, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia) get completed a lot sooner than comparable buildings in the US. That's been pretty consistent over the years. America simply can't match Asia in speed of construction. It's not just buildings. The same is true for tankers, ocean liners, trains, railways, highways, bridges, submarines, aircraft …

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Big-Rick April 8, 2012 at 7:48 pm

holy tangent batman-can we get back to the subject at hand? ;-D

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Big-Rick April 8, 2012 at 7:51 pm

"command economy"

where every decision made and everything and everyone is "owned' by the government in one way or another

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UAVgeek April 9, 2012 at 4:58 pm

Socialisim means that the government or the state actually OWNS the means of production, rarely is that the case anywhere in America no matter what the industry.

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