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Osprey Down

by John Reed on April 11, 2012

 

A Marine Corps MV-22 Osprey went down in southern Morocco earlier today killing two and injuring two American troops, Reuters is reporting.

The aircraft was in Morocco for the annual African Lion exercise that focuses on joint training between American troops and African counterparts.

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RunningBear April 11, 2012 at 6:09 pm

God Bless their souls and best wishes to the survivors. I hope something mechanical broke, unexpectedly and can be fixed to mitigate this failure in the future.
Semper Fi

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Charley A April 11, 2012 at 6:26 pm

Tragic loss, but it would be better for the V-22 program if mechanical failure was not not the primary or contributory cause of the crash.

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Nick April 11, 2012 at 6:30 pm

I'm sure only the dead will be blamed, SOP

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Bob April 11, 2012 at 11:09 pm

I'm waiting to hear if my son was on that plane.
Proud Parent

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tiger April 12, 2012 at 10:08 am

Don't start that stuff.

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Dfens April 15, 2012 at 11:12 am

Sure, it's ok for the military to do it, but it's not ok to notice they do it. Hell no, that would be disrespectful to the dead, unlike having all the problems of the program bureaucracy hung around their dead neck. No, that's pure class.

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RCDC April 11, 2012 at 6:54 pm

They probably need a mechanic and a regular checkup

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Bob April 11, 2012 at 11:11 pm

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

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Mike April 11, 2012 at 7:41 pm

You couldn't drag me aboard one of those deathtraps with a twenty-mule team

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Thunder350 April 11, 2012 at 8:12 pm

Guess you'd be walking as all aircraft have "accidents".

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Mike April 12, 2012 at 10:54 pm

Done it before…I'd do it again.

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tiger April 12, 2012 at 10:09 am

Here they come from the closet, the Osprey hate club……..

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PMI April 12, 2012 at 12:15 pm

America is safer with you fighting wars from your La-Z-Boy.

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Thunder350 April 12, 2012 at 11:02 pm

Hey, the chair force needs something comfy to sit on all day. They're not gonna have stiff backs!

(Sorry to our airmen/women in uniform, I do respect your service!)

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UAVgeek April 13, 2012 at 1:00 pm

You say you respect their service, and yet you start with an insult. Kill the "Chair force" jokes, it's not your father's USAF.

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Lance April 12, 2012 at 12:07 am

My condolences to the family of the killed crew and may the injured heal asap!

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Kirk Gibbs April 12, 2012 at 12:57 am

Accidents and mechanical failures happen to every plane and helicopter in the military, especially when any aircraft is new or uses newer technology. Its how technology moves forward.

Someone commented that there's been an exceptional amount of crashes, accidents, and losses this year. Its not a surprise considering the older, legacy aircraft/choppers are dealing with their age and the tempo they've dealt with in the last ten years. On top of the legacy issue, our new technology is just that, new. Look at the latest designs, F-22, F-35, V-22. All of them use newer technology and are discovering problems that the designers and testers didn't discover or think to test for. I mean that brings up a whole different set of issues, but these things are incredible complex.

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Sgt_Buffy April 12, 2012 at 7:50 am

Agreed. We are ushering a whole new era of technology, and with every evolution there are crashes like this. How many pilots died developing the Jet? It's a risk that the pilots and military men are more than willing to take for us. Hopefully the errors will be identified and this incident will not be repeated.

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Dfens April 12, 2012 at 2:57 pm

Yeah, it's not like they had vehicles like the V-22 in the 1950s. Real cutting edge, if your head is empty.

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JackBlack April 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Except you fail to mention that this type of "plane" has a record of failings since construction. Its forced use takes innocent lives, all the while the construction and design is flawed beyond repair.
Should people pay with their life for the untested and unbalanced aircraft"that was by a miracle able to enter full service". And the fact that this machine remains to be in development almost 20 years now.
It is a wonder how much stupid contracts it takes not to realize some designs are unstable and should be scrapped.

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TMB April 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm

So has every other new aircraft. By your metric, F-16s were falling out of the sky when it was first introduced. It has averaged a crash rate of 3.5 per 100,000 hours (roughy the V-22's current track record). Something like 3000 were built for the US (1400 currently in service), and around 340 have crashed with an annual crash rate of 5 to 18 planes a year since it was introduced.

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tiger April 13, 2012 at 6:29 pm

How about real killer planes like the B-58, F-8 Crusader, F7U Cutlass Or the Infamous F-104 Starfighter? Sorry, the V-22 Is no where close to those birds.

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tiger April 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm

Your wrong.

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jake April 12, 2012 at 2:26 am

V-22 is a great smooth ride, been in a few of them. Tragic accident, my budies say there pretty simple to fly. Butwhat a tragic accident.

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ZachA. April 12, 2012 at 11:07 am

Do we know the names yet? I have a buddy with the reserves training in morocco right now.

Zach

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Jon April 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm

Condolences from your allies in the UK, when your guys go down it feels like our own.

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Mary Jean Townsend April 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm

The damn things are no good and shame on the Marine Corps for making these young men and women fly them. Too many aviators have lost their lives due to these Ospreys. Either they fly a plane or they fly a helicopter, period. Screw this thing that tries to be both. Now you are in Heaven Marine Corps aviators and you can help God to get these DoD Navy Admiral Adolphs arrested who torture me in Atlantic Beach, Florida with their US.Gov M67854-04-C-5074. I've written a hundred letters to D.C. for six years and now I turn it over to God. Please help him.

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tiger April 12, 2012 at 4:24 pm

Bull…..

"More than 160 Osprey tiltrotors are currently in operation and the worldwide fleet has amassed more than 130,000 flight hours, with nearly half of those hours logged in the past two years.
Safety, survivability and mission efficiency have become hallmarks of the operational fleet. According to Naval Safety Center records, the MV-22 has the lowest Class A mishap rate of any tactical rotorcraft in the Marine Corps during the past decade. Navy flight-hour cost data also show that the Osprey has the lowest cost per seat-mile (cost to transport one person over a distance of one mile) of any U.S. naval transport rotorcraft over the past two years."-Boeing media

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Belesari April 12, 2012 at 4:27 pm

Are you on something?

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Hickelbilly April 12, 2012 at 4:42 pm

A Heart Felt Sorrow to the families. Were the electronics and spare parts made by Americans or by one of those countries that puts lead paint on toys and chemicals in clothing dyes.

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Dr.P April 23, 2012 at 8:18 am

lowest bidder, same as all gov projects.

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mpower6428 April 13, 2012 at 1:46 am

usually when people rate they also comment…. lots of ratings, no where near that many comments.

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DGR April 13, 2012 at 3:07 pm

Why would I waste my time leaving a comment on someones comment when they are clearly either high on drugs, or misinformed to the point that they write hundreds of letters to congress about how dangerous the safest rotorwing aircraft in the US inverntory is? Its easier to give em a thumbs up or down just to show that I actually read there comment and agree or disagree.

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jhm April 13, 2012 at 9:09 pm

comment: thanks man hahaha some people just can never accept the facts.

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tiger April 15, 2012 at 8:34 pm

Marine Aviators are not Terrorists.

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ospreydriver April 21, 2012 at 5:25 pm

Nice logic here. If the pilots screwed up, it's the aircraft's fault. If the aircraft screwed up, it's the aircraft's fault. Osprey-bashers will stop at nothing. Something like 85% of mishaps are ultimately due to human error. We don't know what happened here, but the odds say it was probably the pilots' faults in some fashion.

Saying the tilt rotor has been around since the '50s is like saying the helicopter has been around since the 1400s when Leonardo DaVinci designed it.

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Bob April 11, 2012 at 11:14 pm

They have been active in Afghanistan for sometime now without any issues.

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Thunder350 April 12, 2012 at 12:32 am

Gonna say the same thing about the F-16 that crashed into apartments in Virginia? They weren't doing combat sorties over Virginia, they were out on training exercises as well.

All aircraft have malfunctions, rather mechanical, human error, weather or a combination of them. Heck, even special forces have trouble as we saw with the stealth helicopter that crashed during the Bin Laden raid, and they're the best of the best, with the best gear money can buy.

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Andy April 12, 2012 at 2:03 am

To the best of my knowledge, it was a Navy F-18 Superhornet,

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Riles April 12, 2012 at 8:20 am

Yo dawg I heard it was a Super Hornet. I don't think anybody corrected you yet.

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Andy April 12, 2012 at 2:06 am

I mean a Navy F/A-18 Superhornet

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Thunder350 April 12, 2012 at 7:52 am

Your correct, my mistake. Typed that up late at night. :)

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Thunder350 April 12, 2012 at 7:52 am

It was a Superhornet, my mistake. :)

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Guest April 12, 2012 at 8:26 am

Not all things are pilot error, unless you want to say the pilots actions couldn't mitigate the failure that occured with the aircraft.

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blight_ April 12, 2012 at 8:57 am

More have died in Chinooks being shot at. Body count is not the metric of a dangerous aircraft.

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Dfens April 12, 2012 at 8:44 am

I thought I was laying the sarcasm on heavily enough, but when it comes to the topic of blaming the pilot for every crash I guess being more ridiculous than reality is just a bridge too far. I hate to see more good men lose their lives and this particular vehicle has claimed more than its fair share. You watch, the V-22 program schills will be on every military board blaming the pilots for this one just like they always do before the bodies are even cold. It is an unacceptable situation if you ask me.

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Sev April 12, 2012 at 9:07 am

More like so many reported failures. AFter one incident it becomes a new media frenzy and more stories pop up about this stuff that would otherwise be ignored.

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LoSul April 12, 2012 at 9:46 am

The only one with an axe to grind is you, Dfens. You crawl out off the woodwork with every V22 story to come and act like some kind of armchair expert.

How many killed by CH47? How many killed by CH53?

These are helicopters. Complicated flying machines. They will inevitably have crashes. 2 crashes in a 120000 hours over a decade is pretty phenomenal.

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tiger April 12, 2012 at 10:19 am

You don't even know the details of what happened!!!!!!!

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Guest A April 12, 2012 at 12:56 pm

By that logic, I suppose we shouldn't fly anything then…

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Tom Provencher April 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm

NOBODY asked you – Troll on…

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Praetorian April 12, 2012 at 12:33 pm

Not to nick pick but you are all wrong, It was not a Super Hornet. It was a
F/A-18D Hornet, production stopped in 2000.

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Dfens April 12, 2012 at 2:53 pm

I must be doing something right if I've hit a never with the military industrial complex schills.

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Dfens April 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm

nerve never whatever

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Dfens April 12, 2012 at 2:55 pm

Sure, why should we care how many people a vehicle has killed, as long as it's not us. F 'em all, right? Real classy.

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blight_ April 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm

If your metric is based on body count and not flight hours, then single-seaters will inevitably appear safer if the aircraft are equally reliable.

Cargo aircraft would win the body count metric, since they inevitably carry large amounts of personnel. If I wanted to spin it, I would say the C-5 has killed the most babies (as part of Operation Babylift, when a single C-5 crashed and exploded). Does that make it evil?

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Praetorian April 12, 2012 at 4:49 pm

Good post blight, about operation babylift, just read all about it.
Got to give props to Robert Macauley (who past away in 2010), but after the C-5 crash, he charted a 747 to Saigon to fly out 300 orphans paid for it by mortgaging his house.

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Dfens April 13, 2012 at 8:57 am

Sure, who cares about a bunch of babies dying. The C-5 has been a real shining example of the best government procurement practices. Let's see, the last time one of them crashed was at Dover, an airplane that had just been modified with new avionics. Naturally that crash was the pilot's fault. The pilot grabbed the wrong 3 throttle levers with an engine out. God knows it couldn't have had anything to do with the new avionics. Shortly afterward the engine display changes to make it more obvious which engine is out. Purely a coincidence. The crash is still the pilot's fault, just like this one will be. All hail the mighty bureaucracy.

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DGR April 13, 2012 at 10:31 am

You clearly have no idea how accident investigations are determined and conducted. Please go read and learn about them before you go making these outlandish accusations. You ever think that maybe they know what happened because 17 people survived the crash and told them? Or there are ways to tell exactly what happened from how debris is situated (like how you can tell an engine was at idle when it impacted).

In the majority of incidents it is pilot error, or pilot error after a mechanical failure (pilot fails to responce correctly). These investigations are extremly detailed, maybe if you read them instead of making false assumptions you would understand them better.

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Dfens April 13, 2012 at 3:35 pm

Yeah, maybe you'll get an award for being the smartest ass kisser ever, but to the rest of us it is pretty damn clear how these investigations are done. The pilot of one V-22 that crashed is to blame for entering a ring vortex state when there were no published procedures at the time to tell him how to avoid that ring vortex state. There's an F-22 pilot who is to blame for crashing his plane when the known faulty oxygen system cut off his air and left him sucking a vacuum on his face mask.

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