Continuing it’s tradition of reverse engineering and fabricating its stockpile of 40-year old American weaponry, Iran annoucned that it is about to unviel its first ever domestically produced Cobra attack choppers.
Yup, nearly 50-years after the U.S. introduced the Cobra, Iran has figured out how to make its own. Kinda reminds me of Iran’s Saeqeh fighter jet — a Northrop F-5 knock of featuring some Iranian modifications and a paint job that resembles the U.S. Navy’s Blue Angels’ color scheme. The Iranian army flies American-made AH-1J Sea Cobras — some of which have been rebuilt in Iran as the Panha 2091 — that were delivered before the 1979 revolution.
Iran’s locally-grown Cobras will be armed with “different types of home-made caliber guns, rockets and missiles,” according to Iran’s semi-official Fars news agency. Yup, “different types of home-made” weapons. Apparently, these home-made weapons and other modifications to the Cobra design will make it “preferable to Apache Choppers (sic).” I’m shaking.
Here’s more from a rather amusing press release, er news article, put out by FARS on the new choppers. Pay attention to the last sentence, it says Iran’s military is purely defensive and shouldn’t be seen as a threat to anyone. This might be a small sign that Tehran is trying to slowly cool down the big nuclear-weapons related imbroglio it’s in with the U.S. and Israel.
TEHRAN (FNA)- The Iranian Army plans to unveil and put into operation Iran’s first home-made Cobra chopper in special wargames of the Army’s Airborne unit in the near future, a senior commander announced on Wednesday.
Speaking to FNA, Lieutenant Commander of the Army’s Ground Force Brigadier General Kioumars Heidari said that the unit would unveil the national military chopper in the special airborne exercises to be held in the near future.
As regards the capabilities of the national chopper, the commander stated, “The chopper is an advanced generation of Model 209, or Cobra, choppers which is also equipped with different types of home-made caliber guns, rockets and missiles.”
“All the phases of designing and manufacturing of the chopper have been done inside the country and the helicopter enjoys some capabilities which make it preferable to Apache Choppers,” Heidari said.
The commander further announced that different types of anti-chopper and anti-armor weapons will be tested in the wargames.
Iran has taken wide strides in designing and manufacturing different types of light, semi-heavy and heavy weapons, military tools and equipment. Tehran launched an arms development program during the 1980–88 Iraqi imposed war on Iran to compensate for a US weapons embargo. Since 1992, Iran has produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and fighter planes.
Yet, Iranian officials have always stressed that the country’s military and arms programs serve defensive purposes and should not be perceived as a threat to any other country.
Thanks to 4FingerofBourbon for the tip.
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A lot of times the Iranians refer to their total refurbishments as new units, I guess because they've fabricated a great deal of the aircraft and introduced so many changes or upgrades from the original. In certain respects, it is a remarkable achievement given they have zero original factory support and are heavily sanctioned.
I was exactly thinking the same thing. Since sanctions limit the resources Irani engineers, working on such projects, have available and almost all parts are manufactured in Iran I would say that this 'achievement' has to be recognised.
" I’m shaking." … well the Cobra still is a quite deadly piece of military tech. In fact most of the best (in terms of ¥€$ and effectiveness) US weaponry is from the 60s, 70s and 80s (UH-60, A10, B52, M4, AIM9) with slight improvements. The rest is mostly either a horror in maintenance (F22 "Raptor") or totally over budget/time (JSF – F35).
If you take into account the resources the US has to equip its military in comparison to the resources the Iran has to do so: Its nothing to make fun of.
Imho Irans biggest problem is infrastructure not weaponry.
Interesting last line. Makes me wonder what is being said behind closed doors.
It’s probably similar to the Nazis building tanks and calling them farm tractors
They have to start from somewhere. Much better than starting from scratch.
>Iran
>Any sort of military engineering ability
LOL
back to 4chan with you fool..
I bet you're the same idiot who demands that we bomb them because they might have nukes.
In 2020 Iran plans to introduce an Iranian built B-52.
More likely than a stealth hypersonic intercontinental bomber.
"In 2020 Iran plans to introduce an Iranian built B-52" That will have some capabilities which make it preferable to the B1 Bomber,” Heidari said" ;-)
Read more: http://defensetech.org/2012/05/25/introducing-ira…
Defense.org "That will have some capabilities which make it preferable to the B1 Bomber,” Heidari said"
Read more: http://defensetech.org/2012/05/25/introducing-ira…
Defense.org
Iran has never attacked any country, unlike its enemies US and Israel.
What about the Embassy attack in '79? Iran was indirectly responsible for the attoak on the INS Hanit. Iran has never directly attacked the U.S. or Israel, but they have been responsible or many terrorist attacks against both.
Are you sure that some of those so-called "terrorist attacks" were not false flags ops by the CIA and/or the Mossad? I suspect for each "attack" claimed by the US propaganda machine, Iran can claim 3 or more sabotage / subversive operations by the US and/or Israel.
The real world is very different from the one portrayed by the US propaganda apparatus (aka the mainstream media).
So the CIA sent in Iranian "students" with the approval of the Iranian people into the embassy? Then allowed them to get their hands on improperly shredded documents in the first semi-Wikileaks? The CIA has meddled with Iran a lot, starting with Operation Ajax, but pinning the embassy on them may be a bit much.
And it would be interesting to see what sabotage ops are being run in Iran itself, other than Stuxnet and a few assassinations. I suspect a mixture of false-flag by Iran and possibly US/Israel/et al intelligence agencies. Hey, even the Russians, if you want to be paranoid enough…
Well, put the embassy incident in perspective, it's nothing compared to the violent repression, deaths, misery, social chaos and political turmoil the US had inflicted on the Iranian people in the years before and after, with its unscrupulous covert and overt manipulations in Iran's internal affairs.
iran regime is acting like terrorists ,no wonder dumbs like you say such things over and over.
nowhere close to the scope and level of terrorist acts by the US and Israel.
Gotta stand with passingby on this one. We Americans pretty much run the whole deep darky murky underworld of spies and terrorism. Have been since the beginning.
It's uglier than hell but at least we're much much better at it than our enemies.
Always remember…. Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear.
"We Americans pretty much run the whole deep darky murky underworld of spies and terrorism"
. . . would disagree here, (even though I gace a thumbs up to your post), Jesuits/NATO/Interpol/Mossad are probably a step up the ladder as far as OPCOM.
Iran funds Hezbollah. Hezbollah has been directly linked to several bombings outside of the Middle East. Therefore Iran has attacked other countries. It is weapons made in Iran that are being used to attack Israel.
Israel uses American F-15's, so we've been at war with Iraq since the Osirak reactor exploded. We have also attacked Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt (and amusingly, we have also attacked Israel because Jordan had American arms as well).
Suggesting that it is about the origin of manufacture for weapons providing a cassus belli is a little much.We didn't go to war with the Soviets because they were arming North Vietnam, did we?
I don't know where you were after the WWII, but there was a thing called the "Cold War". Or if you want to be technical, the "Proxy Wars".
And by Cold War standards, proxy wars are acceptable. But changing the standard after the big bad Soviets are gone because Iran is less intimidating?
Maybe because they are big fat pussies who can talk the talk but can't walk the walk.
They never gave terrorists weapons to kill and injure US Troops in Iraq or Afghanistan either.
"never attacked" is pretty strong. They counter-attacked Iraq, and could easily have stopped at the border but attempted to depose Saddam. That sounds like attack to me.
Same with clandestine efforts in Lebanon and Iraq against the Zionists and the Crusaders.
All right guys, calm down. Don_Bacon is right in the sense that Iran didn't start an actual war against another country. As for funding terrorist groups, Iran is in 'good' company along with many other countries, including the two he mentioned – I know the American public has an unusually short memory, but some of you here must recall us arming Afghani freedom fighters when the fought the Soviets invaders.
@ Benjamin; By your strange definition even Sweden has attacked other countries. (Bofors cannon, to mention but one succesful export).
@ blight; Indeed Iran could have 'stopped at the border', but even so Iran didn't attack, but rather counter-attacked. There's a hell of a difference between starting a war and fighting back.
I write the above not out of sympathy with the Iran regime, for which I have none, but merely to point out out that some of you ought to count to ten (or three hundred) before hitting the keyboard.
I don’t know about what blight_ have said(I have to do some researches) but for Benjamins point: yes you are right by that logic every country did some stuff, but don’t you forget about the fact that Iranian government(and in some cases people of Iran) are still supporting those terrorists
A counter-attack that took 6 years ? Iran gained all the territory lost from the
initial attack by June 1982.
A counter-attack that took 6 years ? Iran gained all the territory lost from the
initial attack by June 1982.
Sorry about the double post.
I spent 1979-1980 sailing around in the Arabian Gulf and was there when the choppers crashed in the desert outside of Tehran. Please use some common sense this memorial day weekend and remember those who SPECWAR solders who gave their lives on that failed mission. I do not care what point you are anybody is trying to make here or defending people who most likely never served one day in uniform protecting your very freedom to author such a insensitive reply. I was and will always be one of the 1%'s and damned proud of my 24 years in uniform!
HOOAH!! Best reply that I've seen here.
Thank you for your service from one soldier to another. I remember that day, I was still in high school and it was devastating. I was enlisted by Feb of '81 and spent 17 years going in and out of the Army…
Gee Don, perhaps the Iranian push across the swamps toward Irag in 1988 comes to mind or was that defensive in nature?
Then again, taking US Hostages for 444 days must have been their defensive posture also.
Go join 'em if you think they are all that and a bag of potato chips!
I do believe King Leonidas of Sparta, among others, might beg to differ.
Those Persians were pre-Islamic unenlightened kaffirs.
But what really burns is that the threee times we have attacked it in proxy wars Iran has won each time.
Our scoreboard for proxy wars kind of sucks.
When have U.S.proxies attacked Iran let alone failed? I am not aware of any proxies attacking Iran but I am aware of Operation Preying Mantis in which we sunk a lot of the Iranian Navy in the 1980's and we won that.
It's just Saddam I think. And whatever clandestine teams were sent in.
The MEK were Saddam's men; not sure if the CIA had anything to do with them.
Of course Iran has never attacked a country. They just bankroll the terrorists and provide a safe haven for them.
Not the same thing… *rolls eyes*
Should Iran just give up their sovereignty and let terrorists bankrolled by the US or Israel do whatever they want against it?
I'd consider the illegal invasion and all military operations against Iraq criminal / terrorist act.
I would talk tho the United Arab Emirates before making that statement. The Iranians still illegally hold the territory they seized by military force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seizure_of_Abu_Musa_…
Abu Musa was Persian territory sized by the British then retaken by Iran under the Shah.
Nevermind Darius or Xerxes, purely defensive acts I am sure.
Iraq. History lesson?
roung they have used shadow opps in an around iraq an other places in the midel east to kill an harm unarmd people .an us solgers .they produce an train terist groups to atack people like COWARDS that IRAN IS A NACHION OF COWARDS.i have personaly see rpg's an other cheep junk with the made in iran wepon markers filed over or like dumb asses they are panted over .im looking forward to the day when we pop a rocket in the ass of that bearded cammel molster that iran calles a president .
really dude, you should avoid responding when drunk. Either that or learn the english language first!
I don't even remotely advise anyone to use spell check (it can do more harm to a technical paper than the public education system) but you are the exception. Write your post out in word or some other checkable format then copy and paste the corrected version into this forum (or whatever place you happen to find yourself). Reading your post just gave me a headache…
Since an embassy is a teritoriy of any country. The attack on U.S Embassy in 1979 was what?
Iran supports rouge terroist group all over the middle east, Hizballa Hamas to name a few.., I just heard, Iranian soldiers are helping Assad in Syria to massacare their fellow "brothers" NO wonder Assad is denying doing it…. Its the Iranian Stupid !!!!!, But its all just rumors inuendos. Weapons with Iranian marking were intercepted numerous times on the way to being delivered. Its all the CIA. Don you and your Iranian buddies think everyone is stupid, well guess what ?! You are the one
What a moron and a loser! Go live over there so you can discover how wonderful and totally harmless the Iranians are……I am soooooooooooo tired of pinheads like you .
I guess you forgot the Iran / Iraq war, where they both used children with wooden guns (cannon fodder) and nerve gas against each other. What will a nuclear Iran be like> This may be the possible out come – http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com
Only Iraq, Yemen, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. (as cowards of course) through it's proxy terrorist tentacles. Sure… if you are talking about a REAL country like the US or UK, they have behaved (only because they know they would get their ASS handed to them!
SEMPER FI
Bullsh*t…US Embassy is soverign territory, or have you "forgotten" 1979?
BS
You need a History lesson
Don, I think you better read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_…
Yes, Iran has attacked just about everyone anywhere near it it at one time or another. Wise up.
So the Persian Empire counts as Iran now?
I guess America can stand on the laurels of the proud achievements of the Mississippian culture and their major power center of Cahokia. And if they were bloodthirsty and ruthless, it's bad on us.
Bull
They almost run Lebanon via Hizballah. Don't think the Lebonese people asked for them to do this. The Hizballah has attacked Israel via rockets and cross border raids many times. They laid the mines that blew up the USS Samual B Roberts. They have sent surrogates and weapons into Iraq to kill our soldiers there. Proof of this was the Explosively Formed Penetrator IEDs that have killed numerous soldiers, that could not have been made by the Iraqi insurgents. The Iranian regime has much blood on its hands, and its is only limited to the actual weakness of its military, not the by the intents of its leaders.
The commander further announced that different types of anti-chopper and anti-armor weapons will be tested in the wargames. :):):):):):)
Like RIMPAC and REFORGER weren't wargames that weren't taken seriously? Though MC 2002…?
I’m a bit surprised that you(DT) said it may be a sign!
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The Iranian government is always saying shit like that, although its safe to say that lying is one of the features of Iranians(not just the government!)
also they cant build more that 10-12 of these! it’s statically nothing, less than nothing!
lying is one of the features of Iranians(not just the government!)
Fuck you 2 from LA
and this(the comment above) is what they do with their prisoners
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shirin-sadeghi/the-rape-of-taraneh-priso_b_233063.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8102358/Rape-in-Irans-prisons-the-cruellest-torture.html
and that DOESN'T happen here in hthe US – noooo waaayyy
If Iran wasn't an enemy of the United States, we'd probably give them props for making the attempt. For example, if Taiwan attempted to build their own Cobras from scratch.
That said, I'm more interested in the electronics fit on these refurb Cobras…
If Taiwan attempted to build their own Cobras, the US Government would render all assistance possible to Bell Helicopter/Textron in order to force Taiwan to cease and desist said manufacturing.
As far as I can tell, only Japan was ever licensed to build them, with the license lapsing in 2000. Any attack helicopter built in a country that operated Cobras would be suspected of deriving some part of it from the operated helicopter.
Taiwan would just have to get the engines and frame built, I'm sure they already are making out avionics
Those probably aren't real helicopters. They're probably toys or models somebody took a picture of on a sidewalk.
And that comment that they're not to be perceived as a threat to anyone…that is anyone except a tiny country they refuse to recognize the existence of and threaten to wipe it off the map.
I dont get. Why is it that everytime insurgents use sophisticated weapons or technics we blame iran but when the iranians claim to have made some military equipment It is dismissed as a worthless piece of garbage.
The sophisticated weapons the Iranians have been funneling tended to be EFPs and ATGM's. The "some military equipment" often is fighter aircraft and attack helicopters, where the electronics often make the difference between meh and good.
Functionally, if the Iranians simply require an attack helicopter with radio capability that carries a 20mm and ATGMs, this will meet their needs. But the modern armies of today tend to be a little more tech happy. FLIR, longer-ranged weapons and advanced optics to push engagement ranges out as far as possible go a long way in reducing attrition…
The Iranians presumably have TOW on their Cobras until they build their own or otherwise procure something analogous to the Hellfire (or it's Russian equivalent).
let's try some experimenting with them and see how they stand up to some real defensive positions, i.e. air to air with an Apache
If both aircraft have Stingers, it's pretty much down to the Stinger missile more than the platform.
That said, their helicopters may not even be intended for air to air. And without a really good air to air missile..
Perhaps if they can find an old Stinger from the '80s and reverse engineer the seeker.
Only if they figure out how to bypass the hardwired FOF circuits in the Stingers. Actually, I wonder if their heat signature is close enough to one of our birds that a Stinger would refuse to fire [happened to the Palis during Operation Cast Lead when they tried to fire on Israeli helos...They found out the hard way the stinger won't fire at American built hardware]
That is because they buy the toys they use from the US and Russia. However, expensive sophisticated weapon systems are out of their reach as they lack the expertise to acquire. maintain or development them on their own.
A threat beyond our imagination. Game Over folks.
Photoshop. I see two helicopters.
Also, can you really get a shadow so perfect?
Not like they haven't done that before.
i got the same "tingle".
Ha. Bet we have more MANPADS! If I had a CMM and a Laser Tracker I could do that in the garage…Next up is a fleet of RQ's….
Israel has NEVER allowed any nuke agency including the IAEA to visit any of it's nuke sites. Why the hell should Iran be forced to. Either Israel opens it's doors or Iran has no obligation to. Simple.
Israel isn't a party to the Non proliferation treaty and has no legal obligation to Iran is and does. Simple.
But is Iran party to the non Profileration Treaty?
yes it is a party to the NPT check the link below
1. Read this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons
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2. Israel isn’t a danger to the whole world, while Iran have actually said Israel must be cleared from the face of the earth! not once not twice but every day.
people like me who lived in Iran know that this is just a beginning,and if the world doesn’t stop this mad government before it gets too late, they’re gonna pay for it
1. Please stop repeating the false translation over and over… The president of Iran said the zionist gov. of israel should be overthrown. You dont have to agree to this idea but thats something totally different than "israel must be cleared from the face of the earth" He never said that. Iran is not threatening the people in israel… Its not helpful to repeat that false translation. 2. Israel isnt a danger??? Just because they are not signing the proliferation treaty they can have hundreds of nuclear warheads and threatening their neighbours? So your solution would be to tell Iran to cancel that non-proliferation treaty to be able to act like israel? You think thats helpful? Omfg…
Dude! first of all I AM Iranian and I know what he and the supreme leader said(I repeat EVERY ******* TIME)
second, I didn’t say that Iran should cancel anything to be free of what they’re doin’ I simply said that they agreed to not to make a nuclear bomb by themselves nothing more!
third, I believe Israel already have nuclear weapons and I also believe that they’re never gonna use it cause it’s a strategic thing to normal people(not mentally disabled leaders of Iran)
you know it’s like a knife,it’s dangerous cause some people can’t use it properly, but for other people who have no intention of killing another human being it’s free to use, now the more dangerous you get the less people you will find who can use it for good(don’t wanna write so much I hope you understand my logic)
One thing so many people just cant get their head around. Those nukes have probably saved the lives of untold millions of israelies, egyptians, palestinians, syrians etc. Because of the wars they have stopped.
One reason the cold war never went hot is that we made damn sure the USSR knew full well we would nuke everything should they start it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/i…
Spare me the poor poor picked on Iran and false translation excuses.
Thanks for that interesting link but thats just saber rattling. We (the west and israel) do that all day vice versa. Iran supports hamas, we all now that. Imho Iran will never use long range rockets against israel simply because they would only hit their buddies from hamas. And they know that israel would strike back with nukes. The iranian rockets are build to keep the U.S. military off the iranian coast.
Ahmadinejad is unstable, and Iran's elections were suppressed. Netanyahu is a hawk, but he's not insane, and he can and likely will be voted out if he does something stupid.
That said — the Iranian people deserve better. They're actually quite skilled engineers — they've been working with almost nothing and have produced several home-grown designs.
All that to say — stop hating on Iran. They've got some bad leadership, but by and large their people disagree with what the leadership is doing.
Israel isn't interested in invading Iran just living in peace. The nukes thay have has given them a semblance of peace, unless some insane group (the Iranian regime) gets nukes and uses them to create armageddon that their religion calls for. Seeing as Israel has proven to be a sensible owner of nukes, I am fine with that. I doubt anyone can say the same of Iran. In fact, even if nukes aren't used by Iran, they will hide behind them as they slaughter millions outside their country via terrorism. If Muslin countries spent more time improving their countries instead of causing most of the violence in the world today, the whole world would be a better place.
Because Iran is the Monomaniacal Suicide state that is MANDATED by it's own edict to use a nuclear weapon as soon as it gets one… Not Israel!
What use do the Iranians have for an attack helo right now? They're too vulnerable to fighter aircraft to be useful against a US or Israeli incursion, and it's not like any such incursion would involve an armored division moving overland towards Tehran. They might have some utility harassing ships in the Persian Gulf, but that would make them even more vulnerable to all sorts of AA fire, without the cover of terrain to give them some partial protection.
I can only think of three possible scenarios in which they might prove useful:
1. Quelling a domestic uprising in the mountainous hinterland.
2. Resisting a land invasion by proxy forces from Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Iraq/Kurdistan.
3. An offensive/"peacekeeping" operation by Iran into the same areas mentioned in #2. This assumes the US, with her air superiority, has withdrawn from the region, leaving the locals to defend themselves.
Probably to hedge bets that Iraq might not be under their control in the long run, and might send export Abrams across the border. Or Russia.
Against the USN, they need to focus on the Navy and Air Force and equipping and training their paramilitary forces amply. Take what Hezbollah figured out about the IDF (though their experience is against IDF reservists) and see what can be applied in Tehran. They also know that the US Army has broken conventional MOUT doctrine with Thunder Runs, and can expect shock action rather than standoff attack with artillery in urban action. We also have a long train of vehicles resistant to insurgency fare such as IEDs. After Chechenya the Russians acquired a fair amount of counterinsurgency experience, and after Iraq so have we.
I'm not knowledgeable about the Cobra, but why is there only half a rotor blade? That'll get up into the air, I'm sure.
Pixellated as hell; perhaps one is colored white/gray and the other black?
Originally, the AH-1 was of two bladed design not four-bladed like today.
That's part of the re-engineering. Silly americans. Building helicopters with two rotor blades. The second one's just a spare. ;-)
I figured Iran just put weapons on flying carpets. Oh wait that what they use for training.
While im not shaking over Iran's technology upgraded the AH-1 design is a solid and great chopper. However These are NOT advanced AH-1Z and AH-1W versions they are copies of older AH-1J and T Cobras which in US service along with older single engined version where retired around 2005 from Marine reserves. Iran dose have good combat experience with Cobras in the Iran Iraq war they where the only nation to have helicopter air to air combat and shot down Iraqi Mi-24 Hinds. This area of air to air combat was a exception when in regular plan combat Iraq MiG-21s and Mirage F1s had higher kills over Iranian planes except the F-14 Tomcats they had.
Yes Id agree there helicopter would not be a match with a AH-1Z or AH-64D in our Army/Marines have. BUT compered to Iraq's pitiful army and that of some of the smaller Gulf States this is more than a match.
As someone who has worked with PhotoShop for 20+ years, theses guys S__K!!!, look at their repeated mistakes.
So you operated Photoshop 1.0 in 1990?
I started with PhotoShop 2.0 in 1992, on a Mac running system 6. I still have the original set of disks, plus the upgrade to PhotoShop 2.5 that was on a CD. I still have the original box,manual and CD, we keep them for our Mac collection.
I use an older version of adobe creative suite 2 and I see exactly what you see, about every one of the duplicates have mistakes, look at the contrast of the rotors, and the density of every chopper there has a differend density.Notice the clarity of the photograph they use, simply because they are hoping that the clarity will cover up the mistakes. On another subject, CS5 or even 6 may bet out now, these sell for over $1500.00 but they can be purchased at Wright Patterson Air Base Book Store in Ohio, for a fraction of that.
Yowza. Probably 3.5" 'floppies'-that-arent-really-floppy.
Its FAKE!! LOL!!!
Do these new attack helicopters also come with Iran's new flounder shaped stealth fighter?
HA HAAAH!!! The A-1 "Flounder"? Or is the Flounder an old Russia fighter… ;D
every time iranian gov says that they make something new, you (DF) say it is old, useless and we have built it 200 years ago.
you never analyze what they make. but each time you put a pic of F-22 and F-35, you're starting to say oh my god, it is the best of all and no one could defeat us. like the children.
Iran continues to make the US look weak. Not only because every time we initiate a proxuy war with them they seem to come out on top but because our foriegn policy is so obviously driven by the shame of the hostage crisis.
More like humiliated teenagers than a world power we continue to cut our nose to spite our face. The great irony is that once Iran is nuclear we will have to grow up.
You know Canada could invade and defeat Iran right? your greatest Fighter Jet is the F 14 enough said Thank you :)
If they work at all.
Well…nothing new here…
Also equipped with a secret compartment for the gunner to hold his "EMERGENCY BACK-UP SLINGSHOT".
I worked with someone in the late 1980's that had worked for Bell Helicopter in Tehran before the fall of the Shah. He told me that when they were evacuated from Tehran there were still alot of huey's and cobra's in crates waiting to be assembled. The Iranian's did not have the technical ability to do it themselves.
Over-confident idiots got us into Vietnam.
Clay Pigeons, more Targets of Opportunity, allowing more Iranians to meet Allah.
FIRST, there is no need to inspect Israel's nuke facilities, as Israel does NOT sponsor/shelter terrorists, nor fight (losing) battles with the US Navy while blocking tanker traffic. They've not threatened to destroy entire nations or to forcibly spread a fanatical version of Judaism to the rest of the mideast, nor have they ever held diplomats hostage. THANK GOD they have nukes, as they have the resolve to use them if (and only if) Iran does.
My late Dad worked for Bell Helicopter, instructing in Cobras, Bell 206 and 205 frm 75 to 79. He thought highly of his Iranian students and freinds, (many of them murdered). He helped teach the successful air combat tactics they used. Iran doesn't build its own fighters, but mods the AC (twin tails on F-5s, hanging Hawk SAMs from F-14s) makes parts and weapons (with Russian help). The accomplishments of Iranian air power in the Iraq war have been mostly ignored, like the F-14's domination of the sky. Their aviators are very good, but I'm quite sure that they are just modifying and upgrading the Cobras; no way they are producing them. There's no need to even do that; they have access to the most modern Russian and Chinese aircraft, and can easily afford to replace their entire inventory.. They won't because they are so paranoid and don't trust their own pilots, preferring to substituting nukes for a modern air force to intimidate the region. They had to release their pilots from prison in 79 to fly. Modern Russian SAMs will be a far greater problem when the US and/or Israel does pre-empt.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but, behind the govt of israel is a sinister financial power that indeed wants to rule the world. Won't sign the NPT -WTF!?
just check out who built the israel supreme court, the knesset and has a muesem close by. this financial megalith also has the their reigns on the powers of the vatican, the city of london and of dc.
They stay out of the press, because they OWN the press. They pull false flags so our troops die for their benefit, fighting their wars. They pull in so much US aid that along with their banking schemes, our children will always be slaves to pay off the dedt incurred for their benefit. Conquest by finance is still conquest.
Not signing the NPT does not mean they are not abiding by its intent. Israel has a policy of strategic ambiguity. As far as I know only NK and China have given someonebomb designs in the past 20 years
Probably a piece of junk but with a few committed pilots and some ATGMs they can and will do damage so thats why our future plan to fight them involves having plenty of Stingers for good measure. Big worry is the naval side.
Says a lot about our ADA that Stingers are the only defense. Or the presumption of air dominance. SL-AMRAAM, where are you…?
Stingers ( or the FIM-92X) aren't the only means of ADA whther ground or sea based. You forget theater ballistic missiles such as the Patriot missle defense system (HIMAD). Honestly i'd love to see the resurrgence of the GAU-18 (M61A1) Vulcan on a prime mover. Truthfully a pair of Avengers would be able to cover alot of dfense for a battlaion on the move. and Honestly with a trained crew the Bush Master 25mm would be more than a threat for these Helo's- the only draw back is the ammo expenditure….
At its broadest, ADA does include TMD, but I was thinking in terms of air defense systems meant to defeat enemy helicopters and aircraft at low and high altitudes. The Soviets had ZSU-23 (Vulcan analog) and eventually Tunguska, and the closest we have is Bradley Linebacker.
Still think we're a little short in the missile department. The Stinger has half the range of an ATGM like a Hellfire. Though I suppose its range is about the same as a TOW missile, which Iran is known to have…and TOW requires a stable, non-evading platform, game over for helicopter.
Hellfire has a secondary air to air capability.
The Marine has or had an AD (Stinger equipped) LAV variant and we also have AD Hummers which have a turret on the back that mounts Stingers and (I think) a .50 cal. Of course both of these aren't really all that much more than mobile platforms for mounting Stingers and nothing too terribly sophisticated or all that much better than a man with a Stinger.
Hehehe now US should pay more attention concerning Iran..
Author of the article needs to learn how to spell or use the spell check
Iran is one of the last few nation-states (Syria being another) that is not beholden to the central-banskter cartel mafia. They couldn't get good/free press if they wanted too (AP/Reuters – out of the City of London/the one-square-mile financial district within London the City). Certainly, the people of Iran think their leadership is evil, but no more evil than the luciferian banskters who control D.C. So call the kettle black and pretend otherwise, but let's not send our troops to die for their battles anymore?
Tell NATO to send in the Mossad and let the Isreali army fight their benefactor's battles. We (USA) gave (enough already) at the office.
the apache and cobra helo's are p.o.s. iran just remanufactured US crappy designs
And what design do you think is good. I would still put this remanufactured Iranian POS above most other attack helicopters
wow
I remember back in 93, I was on board the USS Nimitz as a member of a hornet squadron deployed to the gulf as part of southern watch. The Iranians deployed thier new submarine and they could'nt make it submerge. I have a feeling thier "home made weapons" might have the same problems. LMAO!!!
ATTACK IRAN THEY ATTACK EVERY COUNTRY BEHIND THE SCENES ……
Yeah your shaking.
Wow we can't even beat a bunch of tribesmen with aks designed in the 40s.
Enjoy spending 600,000,000,000 of our soon to be worthless dollars..
FORTY MORE WARS! USA, USA, USA… blah…
Bow and arrow which is the oldest weapon in the world can inflict serious wounds lets be serous here , its like cut and paste if the human rights policy is improved and the nuclear thing is really use for safe purpose,the world will be a better place.
Soon the new bicycle corps, balloon flotilla, and pigeon communication battalion will be ready too!
errrhhhh…excuse me…
Is the pict above photoshop or similar?
Or those are full sized or close to cobra specs to as props for a hollywood or bollywood live action shoot/movie?
I noticed the 1st few choppers has their rotor blades attached to "hardpoints" in the ground to prevent the blades from angling due to wind / etc…notice the rest in the background don't…or i can't make it out from the pict.
Plexiglass cockpit/canophy looks very shiny too.
Kind of obvious why iran keep flashing their supposed "hardware" and "capabilities" to the world…trying to delay the obvious while they can…
Once the iranian gov''t (not actually representing the majority of the peoples of iran) detonate a successful nuclear test…they know…nobody will be able to "touch" them…and they can use this "leverage" to get concessions.
Sad to see this if it pans out that way in the end.
Iran has never attacked any country? So that 10 year war with Iraq never happened?
The only reason Iran would make us look weak is because we have a weakling in the White House. And another former white house weakling allowed their Mullah to re-enter the country.
Iraq attacked Iran, not the other way around. History – you might want to study it before speaking on it.
That a great way to park your 40 brand new cobra attack choppers. One drone with two hellfires should be able to start a chain reaction I would think.
Or a NVA sapper team. They were quite effective…
When are the Iranians gonna roll out the F-14 Tomcats ? lol…..
With their western reserve engneering equipment together with Russian and Chinese weaponry coupled with home-grown types, the Iranian can't be taken lightly because are increasingly self sufficient…
sorry…reverse engineering not reserve engineering…
Wake up people's….we have Iranians here going to colleges on aeronautical degrees that our US government allows and probably on grants…When i was in active duty in the early 70's and naive of our government/CIA agendas i was ready for taking action on Iran on the ordeal they pulled in the mid 70's and i new very well the Southwest Asia countries were looking for confrontations with us. Just not to long ago they had a Naval ship cruise by (California) with many government agencies unaware !!! Something not to take very likely. True we are the superpower, but for how long? Will China supersede us? Our electronics parts,were are they being manufactured, the blood sweat and tears that went into aircraft manufactures where have they gone and only a few left that we can trust? We do not know whats under the hood !!!! Any of you young and old ready to sacrifice your lives…i doubt it in this new era of today's B.S.
CGI. They are NOT real. Nice try idiots.
At least this is a start, if you remember the Apollo 11 Rocket to the moon was an advanced copy of the German V2 rocket..now are you thinking ..I wonder
cobra is still working and USA deploys it in different wars, so why you call it an old old chopter !!! moreover USA is selling cobras to many countries while Iran is manufacturing it by itself
Whoa now, you're the one throwing out false translation mumbo jumbo as an excuse for Iran. That link clearly shows the leadership of Iran has indeed threatened Israel with annihilation. Also arming Hezbollah and Hamas with weapons that have rained down on and caused casualties is not saber rattling. In addition the two aforementioned have it in their charters calling for the destruction of Israel.
The CIA deposed a lawfully elected Mossadegh (though "lawfully elected" tends to ring hollow nowadays), imposed the Shah and likely aided in the formation of SAVAK. Beyond that, the CIA used Iran as a U-2 base and a base for other penetration ops into the Soviet Union.
Are SAVAK's sins the CIA's? One could say no, but the United States certainly turned a blind eye to them.
After the installation of the religious leadership, the CIA's ability to strike Iran directly diminished rapidly. I doubt the CIA had anything to do with pushing Saddam into war with Iran, and that it was more state or defense department acting on orders from Reagan. It's hard to imagine much of the CIA being able to strike in Iran after the religious government came to power.
Money easily translates into motive plus ability. Plans and ideas in sabotage and subversion don't always have to originate from the CIA — there's a reason why the CFR and similar institutions exist. But the CIA or MI6 or the Mossad are experienced in that kind of operations and even if the Air Force or the Navy are to carry out some plans, the CIA will usually be involved in one way or another.
Considering the entire Iraq war was planned years in advance and openly executed under false pretenses against international law, any claims about lack of ability in carrying covert or overt operations against Iran can't be convincing.
The entire Iraq war is just armchair warplanning, like the Rainbow war plans of the 1930's. You plan to invade Iraq, Iran, et al; just as Rainbow covered Japan, Germany, and even Canada/Great Britain.
That said, "covert" operations were likely limited to insertion of SAD teams; which Fletcher Prouty would have rightfully called a military mission, not a CIA mission.
However, it is harder than it sounds to depose a dictator without a "suitable replacement" in the wings. Saddam had the RG and the SRG, with the SRG exclusively of Tikritis and tribesmen under Qusay. I don't know what leverage he had over Uday and Qusay to ensure they did not kill him and the other; perhaps he played them both against each other?
I wouldn't doubt that the CIA wanted to pop either the Ayatollah or Saddam for a long while. Assassination missions are high risk, and often you don't pull one until you're completely sure you can get away, which is why there aren't assassins being paraded on world news very frequently from western agencies. Then again, they probably just haven't broken cover.
"Plans and ideas in sabotage and subversion don't always have to originate from the CIA — there's a reason why the CFR and similar institutions exist."
Fair enough; but think tanks are usually worth less than a sack of knockoff Chinese microchips. They led us into OIF on the "they'll welcome us with flowers and love you long time", just like that charlatan Chalabi and Curveball. Cheney and Bush Jr bought into it…or needed them to provide the cassus belli, even if they were a pack of thieves.
Jesuits? It's nice to see the crazies out in force on Memorial Day
You do know who the Black Pope is – right? Too many tie -ns to discuss here, but research, the Khazar connection with the Vatican. You will join the "crazies." Clue: Pete Sutherland (CEO Golman Sachs, Chief Financial Pope, etc.
Spelling it out for ya … "3rd Reich(/kna "4th Reich") Remember where the "holy romans" (the gold-man sacks) where? Maybe you remember how the roths took the profit in London when Wellington's envoy was a day late? Or, how Hitler was a b'stard son of the roth's/khazars. Check it, the supreme ct, the knesset & the mossad are roth's boys, so are the j's. Either your a co. man or you are buying the AP/Reuter line?