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Syrian Government Forced to Bomb its Own SAM Sites

by John Reed on June 13, 2012

So the Syrian rebels recently took over a battery of what appear to be Soviet-made Vietnam war-era SA-2 Guideline surface to air missile. The rebels got their hands on the SAM site after members of the Syrian army’s 743d air defense battalion defected to their cause. However,  government forces soon bombed their own air defense site to prevent any missile systems from falling into rebel hands. Yes, the Syrian government is being forced to conduct air strikes against its own air defense  facilities.

Click through the jump for a video of the missiles and another that apparently shows the aftermath of government air strikes on the site.

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Matt Sturgeon June 13, 2012 at 11:15 am

Bombs Away! The motto of the Mid East. Everything comes full circle. Enjoy your time in the sun as a floating pink mist. Lets send weapons, vehicles, equipment, just flood the place. Let the bodies hit the floor people. They don't care about us. Iranian stooges and radical Islamists fighting eachother. Where's the popcorn? Only thing left is US air strikes… Everyone loves a good pile-on. What are we waiting for? All the terms of Libya have been actually met in Syria. Only difference is Russia has troops sitting in the bunkers with Syrian Govt forces. Really an alliance of tyranny. The protests in Russia are no different from the protests in Syria except the government hasnt started shooting yet. The people want the same things: basic, fair voting rights to control their own destinies. The corrupt governments in both places will never be legitimate in the eyes of their people, or the rest of the world. They will never acheive the greatness they fantasized about. Only achieve the pink mist.

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Andrew Kapetan June 13, 2012 at 12:45 pm

You should apply the same medicine to yourself first due to hundreds of thousand of refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan Kosovo that YOU HAVE caused. And lets not forget thousands of unnarmed civilians that you have killed in ex Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Lybia in last two decades. Look at official UN figures for all these countries and then apply the same logic to yourself.

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Justin Mckay June 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Ive bombed my own guys in Arma which is a video game I could only imagine how hard it is in real life to precisely hit a target and mistakes happen how many animals have you killed in your life hypocrit?

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Anonymous June 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Nobody cares about innocent civilians casualties and refugees. Get over it. America sure has!

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anonymous June 15, 2012 at 11:15 am

"Nobody cares about innocent civilians casualties and refugees. Get over it. America sure has!"

It seems to me that America has lost its humanity and have turned into nothing but animals. Those civilians that were killed had families and now they are gone. Put yourself in their shoes. Pull your head out of your ass and come back to reality, this isn't Call of Duty you desensitized fools.

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blight_ June 13, 2012 at 6:28 pm

Iraq got punished for invading and occupying Kuwait, and the price of keeping Saddam in power was neutering his regime. We always assumed that the people would "rise up" and remove an unjust ruler, but all it did was make them poorer, die faster and make staying on Saddam's good side look more and more tempting. A mistake on our part, and I'm pretty sure 10 years of sanctions did more than the invasion/occupation/sectarian explosion of violence. And by the way, the United States did not provoke Shias to kill Sunnis. They simply bided their time and waited for Saddam to be deposed before coming out of the woodwork.

As for Afghanistan, we'll probably kill more by banning poppy farming and having the farmers starve. Will you do your part by buying poppy?

As for Kosovo, we were guilted into acting due to our indifference in Bosnia, and the fact that it looked like the same Serbian bad guy as round one. At least you won't simultaneously blame the US for not really doing much in Rwanda or Bosnia, because it would be damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Matt Sturgeon June 13, 2012 at 7:43 pm

With all due respect Andrew, f**k the UN. Are you referring to the same UN that had Syria on the human rights council? LMFAO GTFO.

It is so noble to trust the U.N., it really is. But reality tells a different story about the U.N. … I would love to trust the UN… care about them… also to have $100m… also world peace. Ahh the life of a Euro brat. 1st world problems and stone throwing at the do'ers. Sitting around a table having "dialogue" rather than taking actions. Dont blame America. We take action. When you actually do things, other things happen. Accidents, mistakes, acheivements, etc. Better than sitting on your ass waiting for someone else to do everything.

regards!

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tiger June 13, 2012 at 10:07 pm

Matt if it bugs you that much, your free to go to Syria and join the events. "Action?" we ducked this, Bahrain & North Korea for the low hanging fruit of Libya.

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Matt Sturgeon June 14, 2012 at 12:32 pm

uhh what?

anonymous June 15, 2012 at 11:20 am

Americans are easily bought, just play "proud to be an American" and all the hillbillies come out and everyone buys into lies of their politicians not knowing that they are being used as pawns. "Letz go over der and fite us some terrerists!" Fighting for freedom? What about the freedoms your politicians back home are pulling away from right under your feet?

Jay June 13, 2012 at 11:48 am

"All the terms of Libya have been actually met in Syria"

No, unlike Libya, Europe doesn't buy a big chunk of their oil and gas from Syria. So naturally there is less incentive to intervene. They also buy energy from Russia, so as long as Russia props up Assad same story.

"The people want the same things: basic, fair voting rights to control their own destinies"

That is true for some, but the Islamist factions in Libya, Egypt and Syria want to gain power in order run the place by Sharia, and control the destinies of everyone in their countries.
They have wisely embraced democracy as a tool to get them into power. One man, one vote, one time – then a new government they control.

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Jim Brand June 19, 2012 at 12:49 am

Just correct !

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Nick June 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm

This is not Libya. Libya had a very small minority oppressing the vast majority. Syria it's 30% oppressing 50%. That's called civil war.

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Black Owl June 13, 2012 at 10:45 pm

Who is the missing 20%?

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blight_ June 14, 2012 at 10:33 am

Sunnis, Shias and Alawites?

I think the Alawites would be oppressing the Sunnis but leaving the Shia alone?

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Black Owl June 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm

I'm surprised there hasn't been an article on here yet about the Russians giving the Syrians attack helicopters.

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Praetorian June 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm
blight_ June 13, 2012 at 4:33 pm

Are they sending pilots too? I sense rumor mill.

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Riles June 13, 2012 at 5:51 pm

Though Russia denies any helicopters are being sent:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/syria-he

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Black Owl June 13, 2012 at 7:36 pm

I have no doubt in my mind that the Russians would also send their pilots as well. They have almost always done so in past conflicts and especially during the Cold War.

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blight_ June 13, 2012 at 6:30 pm

The Syrians already have helicopters. What they would need more than new helicopters is probably parts and ammunition, or maybe even pilots if there are enough defections in the Air Force.

Edit: Syrians have Hinds, Hips, Hoplites and Gazelles. If the shipment is Hinds, they'll probably get used in combat. Hips and Hoplites are mostly transport, but strap on some rocket pods or use a door gunner and presto, you have a "gunship": at least in news media terms.

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warspony June 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Three words: 1) "Rosoboronexport" – you know the co building the helos supplied by rushka to syria – hells bells, the US military has a multi-$100 million contract with them for A'stan supply; &
2) "Ulyanovsk" – the rushkan air base for NATO – so the world's largest producer of opium and hash (A'stan) can get product moved.
3) "HYPOCRISY" – (aka UN) – when all these "perceived enemies" are in fact puppets of the international central bankster mafia cartel – black/white market, own the press, own the politicians, own your mind – not getting my soul – and only Syria and Iran without central banks under their control . . . hmmmm

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Riles June 13, 2012 at 1:32 pm

What a mess. There's obviously a desire among most to stop the wanton killing (seriously, who likes seeing children slaughtered), but there is currently no practical way to end it from what I can tell. And if someone did intervene against Assad, who exactly are these rebels? They haven't really said who they are or what they believe and they seem to have little organization. And you have Russia mucking around and continuing to sell weapons to Assad. What a sad, sad situation.

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Dave June 13, 2012 at 1:46 pm

And we (the free peoples who won WW2 (mainly US and UK) would have rebuilt Iraq and Afghanistan like we did Germany and Japan if they weren't a bunch of self-loathing savages. Only a simple minded fool would consider Saadam still being in power a good alternative. Perhaps we should have let Hitler take Europe and the UK so no innocent people were killed in the process. War sucks, people caught in the middle of it die. The goal is to maintain a just society and not let despots take it over so that others have to come and clean up your mess when they are finally threatened enough by your decrepit civilization.

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Lance June 13, 2012 at 3:02 pm

Not much of a loss. SA-2s are very old and obsolete weapons. fact is there is no battle line in the Syrian Civil War (YES its a Civil war). So a safe place to set a base up on day would be center of a battle the next. This will give Syria an excuse to buy more modern SA-10 and SA-20 SAMs anyway.

Doesn't matter some here feel so sorry for the rebels. Well they are Islamist and most Al Qaeda backed terrorist moments. While Syria is no US friend the rebels are and will not be either. time for a Iran-Iraq war solution… Let them blow each other up for a decade.

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tiger June 13, 2012 at 10:10 pm

thumbs up.

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saladin June 13, 2012 at 4:09 pm

The more of them that kill each other the fewer left to kill us !!!!

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anonymous June 15, 2012 at 11:22 am

No, your own people will start killing you off one day.

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richard obrien June 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm

Last time I checked, the "rebel freedom fighters" were going door-to-door, ejecting Christians at gunpoint from their homes. Christians in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia are being terrorized, in a story heavily suppressed by the mainstream media.
Mindboggling ignorance – or worse – on the part of the Obama Administration, in supporting the overthrow of secular gov'ts across the Middle East, triggering a refugee crisis and paving the way for a major war by fundamentalists against Israel.
64 thousand dollar question: WHY?

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John June 13, 2012 at 8:21 pm

Maybe so Israel can use all those cool weapons we keep buying for them. I'll get the popcorn.

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Riceball June 14, 2012 at 12:32 pm

I don't know about the other countries but in Syria it's because the Christians, because they're a minority, support the ruling Alahwites who are also another minority. So it's not like they're completely innocent in this but at the same I can't say that I really blame them for throwing in their lot with the ruling minority considering that the prosecution they'd face if they weren't allied with the Alahwites.

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peter davidson September 17, 2012 at 9:08 am

thats an easy one, we`re gettin ourselves ready for world war 3! sounds a bit dramatic or over exagerated, but just look at the middle east from a chess point of view, divide and rule then mop up whats left. Iran has just started selling oil to another currency other than the petrodollar and its going to cripple western banks. the way to do it is take Syria (Irans ally) out of the picture and Iran has no neighbour to back it up. Donr be surprised if an "incident" doesnt occur around the strait of hormuz or another false flag op to kick it all of. one thing is for sure, we WILL BE AT WAR by christmas 2012.

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Ronnie June 13, 2012 at 9:08 pm

Just love the little rocks all in a row around the rocket launch sight. So 1950's British army. This may or may not help the drone dudes with target info.

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Catch22 June 13, 2012 at 10:49 pm

for a cradle of civilization the middle east isn't very civilization friendly now is it

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Cardinal June 13, 2012 at 11:46 pm

Will the western world please suck the middle east of its remaining oil reserves from the other side of the planet ? Possible ? With the advent of the modern technology only available to the west now i think it sure is and let hell break loose over there .

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blight_ June 14, 2012 at 10:33 am

They're hitting peak oil and in a few decades they will be as depleted as the United States is now. Then they'll use hydraulic fracturing and try to get whatever's left. Russia, western China, the Levant (there may be offshore oil/gas in Libya, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, Syria).

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Rob June 14, 2012 at 1:36 am

We could offer the rebels a safe haven in US. It may be the only real peaceful option at this point. If we use any military action it will trigger war with Russia and China for sure.

Personally I think it's time we stop policing the world as our country slips into bankruptcy.

America should set a new example. Drop all sanctions that do not impact our manufacturers and exports.

End our futile wars. All we have done is our enemies more of our weaknesses.

Focus on remodernization within. Increase the mobility of our entire military..

Call for a G8 conference to determine ways to make the global trade routes more efficient.

Use the United Nations Assembly to call for global stimulus packages for all countries willing.

It may never fully be peace on earth but if do even part of what I listed above, there would be much less death and dismay across the planet. Prove me wrong.

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warspony June 14, 2012 at 4:07 pm

The UN is a worthless, scandalous money pit tool for the super elite (NWO/banskters) trying to enslave mankind and extract all resources (oil/people/etc.) to THEIR "perceived" optimal levels. I say send them (the UN) to Haiti and let them have their "diplomatic status" there.

And stop having the US foot the bill for their extravagances – same for NATO~!

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Brian Black June 14, 2012 at 7:53 am

It’s all good news for the Russian arms industry. Don’t know why they’re getting so uptight about Syria, just send them a SAM brochure and quit whinging.

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@ptitz June 14, 2012 at 10:03 am

Meh, silly arabs. They should just divide entire mid east between the jews and be done with it. Whoever wins in Syria, it will just become more radical. Saddam or Ghadaffi or Mubarak or Assad or whatever are not the ones causing this. Its the cats that spend their oil dollars on wars and whores and its in their interest to keep their neighbors occupied with killing each other as long as the prices stay up.

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blight_ June 14, 2012 at 10:28 am

To the contrary, I doubt Israel wants a bigger slice of the Middle East. For the manpower of the IDF available there's no way they could police it all.

If anything, they may opt to bring back Transjordan and give it all back to the Hashemites. Maybe the French will get Syria and Lebanon again…

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@ptitz June 14, 2012 at 11:36 am

Hah, theres no doubt in that. But just imagine: jews in charge of mid east! One state solution with no sharia nonsense, freedom of religion, rights for everybody and all that. Why not. There come some logistical issues of course, with manpower available to IDF and their territorial ambitions or absence thereof. But thats all just hypothetical. All im saying is that if entire mid east was ultimately controlled by some reasonable entity, be it Israel or USA or even if Europe would take charge of their old colonies, everyone would be better off. Instead its being run by some sketchy guys with dubious motives. Oil sheiks and religious mullahs. Freedom and democracy are nice, but the power the majority will pick wont always be the right guys for the job, especially given the strong resentment against western powers that had been cultivated ever since old brits and french gave away their colonies.

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blight_ June 14, 2012 at 12:58 pm

It would only make the ultra-orthodox Jews go nuts. They've kept silent ever since an ultra-radical assasssinated Yitzhak Rabin; but they're probably still around. I imagine an Israeli would provide a more informed POV.

Pushing the secular Turkish model would've worked; but it's too late since the Turks seem to be sliding in the long run towards religiousism.

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Dennis Ebersole June 14, 2012 at 12:29 pm

Great use for Syrian bombs.

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anonymous June 15, 2012 at 11:23 am

People use what they can afford, it's better than nothing.

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Kloss June 29, 2012 at 11:50 am

What Turkey will do in Syria, concerning now the aircraft case?

Attack or use FSA as a proxy to fight Assad's regime?

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aissa July 24, 2012 at 7:41 pm

so the syrian air force is already able to conduct SEAD missions

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max July 30, 2012 at 4:37 am

Both the Syrian and Iranian military should be simultaneously and overwhelmingly degraded to nothingness. Troop withdrawal immediately after UN peace keepers finish election. Then GO!.

To GO to the Philippine sea with the proverbial "fustest with the mustest" before they do.

Be sir to take a few Canadian and Australian friends with you. Looks serious.

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sali November 1, 2012 at 7:50 am

Muslims are killing each other……………..
they are cruel people………

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satan February 4, 2013 at 7:19 am

Americans are stupid cretins without any culture.
Asia up.
Fuck the old civilisations

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Thomas L. Nielsen June 14, 2012 at 4:55 am

"I think peoples all over the world will have more respect…."
Not respect. Fear. There is a difference.

"…certain death if you cross the line"
A line that the US, with its old-testament-god-like powers over life and death, defines as it pleases. Am I the only one to be concerned?

"We are the most generous and prosperous nation on earth…."
By what (and who's) standards?

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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blight_ June 14, 2012 at 10:29 am

…that's a lot of SAMs. It's exceptionally rare to fire off that many missiles unless you have the SAC knocking on your door.

And it isn't about throwing missiles into the sky, it's radar & IRST to acquire the target and put a missile on it.

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Matt Sturgeon June 14, 2012 at 12:54 pm

Thomas – I know you are the resident intellectual and all, and thats why you don't understand that fear and respect go hand in hand and are not mutually exclusive, although one can exist without the other.

Second, Certain death – are we not killing Al Qaeda and affiliates at will all over the world right now? Yes, judge, jury, and executioner. I am fine with that. If someone attacks, much less declares war on us then yes the repercussions should be quick, brutal, and deadly with no thought of ROEs or hearts and minds. At the end of the day everyone outside that line will be against us when it comes down to it. You should be concerned. Yu should be concerned enough not to attack us or harbor those that will attack us because you will face death. Simple concept.

Generosity – It is easy to get online and compare the American donations from Catholic Charities, Red Cross, etc, not to mention the other non profits and overt military aid in times of disaster, there is literally no question that the US is the most generous and prosperous nation on earth. Is your little home nation giving hundreds of billions to other countries all across the globe to do with it as they wish and just calling it "foreign aid"? Not to mention the host and sole financier of the UN, NATO, etc… Are you re-organizing naval armadas to respond to earthquakes, tsunamis, and other natural disasters? This kind of rescue operations costs hundreds of billions of dollars and that is just taxpayer money. Again, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of American non-profits that operate their own charities and foreign aid operations.

Do a little research next time. America puts out more in charity than your country does in GDP.

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Thomas L. Nielsen June 15, 2012 at 2:10 am

Part I:

First of all, thank you for the extensive reply.

I never said that fear and respect are mutually exclusive. Indeed they're not. I said they were not the same, implying that one does not necessarily follow from the other.

"If someone attacks, much less declares war on us…."
Tthe initial post talked about "crossing the line". If crossing the line means "attacking", then we probably agree (not about the "with no thought of ROEs or hearts and minds" bit though). It just worries me if "cross the line and we kill you" is used as a foreign policy without making it clear where the line is.

(tbc)

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Thomas L. Nielsen June 15, 2012 at 2:10 am

Part II:

Re. generosity and research on that, this was why I asked. Unless you know what "We are the most generous and prosperous nation on earth…." is based on, it's difficult to research it.
And it's not surprising that big nations contribute more than small ones, so the interesting thing to me is not the size of the contribution, but e.g. the size of the contribution as percentage of GDP.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

PS: I don't know how the "resident intellectual" comment was intended, but I choose to take it as a compliment :-)

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