Secret flying saucer plans declassified

The little green guys from the sky had it all laid out for the Pentagon. Then the U.S. Air Force and a Canadian defense firm got their hands on the schematics for flying saucers and they had to muck it all up.

No, seriously. Well, maybe not the alien part.

The National Archives declassified and released the official plans from the 1950s on Sept. 20 to build a flying saucer under the secret code name Project 1794. Air Force leaders wanted to build the next secret weapon to defeat the Soviet Union in the Cold War.

The Pentagon had hoped to build a saucer that could reach speeds of Mach 4 and reaching altitudes of 100,000 feet — the perfect aircraft to potentially spy on nuclear launch locations across the USSR. The saucer, however, had a limited range of 1,000 nautical miles. 

Air Force and Navy officials could have envisioned flying saucers taking off from aircraft carriers stationed across the world as it had a vertical take off and landing capability decades before generals even started to talk about the Osprey.

The U.S. military exported the secret program to Canada offering the development contract to Avro Aircraft Limited in Ontario. Before it was cancelled, their two-year contract was worth $3,168,000.

A video of Avro’s prototype, however, shows a cylindrical aircraft struggling to even get out off the ground. Soon after, the Defense Department cancelled the program in 1960 following meager test results.

More schematic photos below.

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  • andy

    Cancel ? I don’t think so.

    • Menzie

      Yeah more like improved, refined, before being built and tested over hippie communes and backwater communities. Plus they invented a way to make fast food by landing near cattle and aiming a ray-gun an poof…..a cheezburger all wrapped up is left laying on the ground. While th cow is either eviscerated or drained of blood.

      • Max

        Yeah, none it really happened anyway. All of the millions of people who claim to have seen ufos were all eating too much pizza, or it was swamp gas, or no wait, it was actually a weather balloon. No matter that thousands of policemen, government officials, lawyers, and other people with plenty to lose have made the same claims in spite of the danger to their reputations. Yeah, it’s all just a great big lie, because some people like yourself refuse to put your thinking cap on and reason that it is impossible that thousands of people could all be seeing the same “great big lie” all at the same time, thousands and thousands of time every single year all over the world. Yeah, it’s all a great big lie.

        • Thomas L. Nielsen

          Yes, there are “millions”of UFO sightings, but most of them do in fact turn out to be balloons, airliners, marsh gas, hallucinations, etc. A small number remain unidentified, but the fact that they remain unidentified does NOT automatically mean that they are A) secret government projects or B) aliens coming to Earth to mutilate cattle, draw crop circles and do reproductive experiments on the planet’s native population. It simply means “unidentified”.

          And the “thousands of people saw the same thing” argument doesn’t quite work. If a group of people see “something”, and one of them suddenly goes “Hey, it’s that Big Black Triangle With Lights (TM) that everyone on ATS is talking about”, then suddenly that’s what everyone has seen. Humans are suggestible.

          Having said that, I consider it entirely possible that some UFO sightings are in fact classified (earthly) aircraft.

          Regards & all,

          Thomas L. Nielsen

          PS: ”….people like yourself refuse to put your thinking cap on….”. Shouldn’t that be “tin-foil cap”?

      • Max

        Oh and by the way, we know that government officials never lie to the public, right?

  • gyulus007

    really interesting, they drawed those plans only 3 years after the Roswell incident…. well, i think if they used jet propulsion instead of the central proppeller, this could be functional too… :D

    • rick

      “Drawed”, is that a verb?

      • Rocco

        Yea past tense ain’t it?

    • Daniel

      Except the engine would be loud as all hell and extremely fuel inefficient.

  • dee

    The Chinese will have a copy ready for flight testing in……9 months.

    • Menzie

      But it will be a non-functional knock-off, containing lead and stocked with melamine containing foods.

    • Lee

      Sorry Dee, but I think they already have one. They’re able to keep secrets…we can’t!

    • Brandon

      HA HA HA HA As they say if wouldn’t be funny if it wasnt true. With VTOL and thrust vectoring, delta wings and kinards (Not a jet guru so spare me on terminology), I wouldnt be surprised if this was a fairly easy thing to build. Minus all the stealth and hi tech defense systems obviously.

      • Thomas L. Nielsen

        “Not a jet guru….” – your post makes that entirely clear.

        How exactly would you go about fitting delta wings and canards to a friggin’ flying saucer, Mr. Not-A-Jet-Guru? I’m genuinely curious….

        Regards & all,

        Thomas L. Nielsen

      • blight_

        You don’t see wings on frisbees, do you?

        • elmondohummus

          Yeah, but with the way a frisbee spins in flight, I don’t think I’d want to ride on one. :-S


    • Robert Bryant

      LOL yes LOL

  • Noha307

    Project 1794? Sounds like someone scrambled the numbers…

    • gary

      Great comment–like Orwell’s 1984 which was written in 1948.

    • NS Muse

      Was that 1974? I have forgotten the year, and what was going to happen.

    • Anthony

      1947…original recovery date

  • BILL D

    Interesting–except I read all about it on Wired-Danger room 5 days ago—-way to keep up DT

    • Ben

      Same here. They’ve definitely been slacking lately…

      • Thomas L. Nielsen

        You can go even further back: This project, among many others, was described quite extensively in the book “Secret Projects – Flying Saucer Aircraft” by Bill Rose and Tony Buttler, copyrighted in 2006. I recommend it.

        Regards & all,

        Thomas L. Nielsen

    • Art Frailey

      Old Stuff ! I remember reading about it sometime in the 70s in Popular Science.

  • dubweiser101

    The concept of circular/disc shaped aircraft dates before the “Roswell Incident”. I believe the first tangible attempt was Sack’s AS6 model. Though it proved unsuccessful at the time (1944) it did lay the ground work for the basic concept.

    Many modern day concepts are indeed based on old idea’s laid down by Nazi funded research. The B-2 for example is an extension of the Go-229, and the F-86 and MiG-15 were spawned from the Ta-183 design.

    Not to mention the fact that nearly every delta-wing fighter (especially the Dassault’s Mirage series) owe their lineage to Nazi research which began with Lippsische.

    Just saying, the ‘flying saucer’ isn’t new technology…

    • SMSgt Mac

      The Horten Brothers (Ho-229) and Northrop designs were unrelated. Jack Northrop was pursuing a pure flying wing in incremental steps for at least a decade and a half before WW2 and long before theLippsisch convinced the Horten brothers to develop unconventional designs. The Ta-183 more accuratelydirectly spawned Kurt Tank’s postwar fighter design in Argentina, but the ‘swept wing’ engineering involved was, like most German military research, brought into the Allies hands as legal ‘war reparations’, making it’s way quickly onto swept wing fighter and bomber designs and more slowly onto others. the Bell X-5 was the closest thing to a ‘copy’ of a German design the US ever built.

    • Bob

      “Sack’s”? You mean Sac’s…

      • Thomas L. Nielsen

        Nope. The guy’s name was Arthur Sack. He developed and built a series of “circular wing” aircraft back in 1939-1944. Neither of the designs flew very well, if at all.

        Regards & all,

        Thomas L. Nielsen

    • Bornfree Taxtadeth

      Agree’d! We have seen this same technology recorded as far back as the Mayan and Incan civilizations, too……!

  • USA

    i dont think they canceld it but its pretty good TEC so if they did i would tri and get it going again. hey its better than helicopters that always get shot down

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      “….its pretty good TEC….” – except for not working, you mean?

      “….its better than helicopters that always get shot down….” – or rather, it would be, if it worked. And even if it could be made to work, why would it be less vulnerable than helicopters, assuming you have it flying the same (types of) missions as helo’s?

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

  • stephen russell

    Revise project with 3D printing & AutoCAD alone, add composites etc, then see if saucer flies Today vs then IE 1960??

    • lamel80

      Fly by Wire would probably make the biggest difference between then and now. Look what that did for the F-117.

  • Dfens

    What a bunch of bs. Too bad people don’t spend their time figuring out what makes good and successful airplanes good and successful instead of pandering to the pop science crowd.

  • Paul

    I’ve got some documentaries (I believe UK) on this from a few years ago. Having said that, it’s good to see it in the news still. It wasn’t that bad, assuming anyone continued the research in any compacity, it would be somewhat impressive with “modern” technology.

    • chris

      very true Paul, i remember seeing a documentary about it with film of the craft some twenty years ago.

  • Speedy

    Avro aircar.. just add a skirt and you have a hovercraft.
    Flying suacers: I have seen drawings of the original german designs. a cocpit with a fan system arranged around it. (In a housing etc). vectored jet engines direct thrust to the blades to cause them to spin, the thrust also applied forward motion etc.

    OLD NEWs as well, had it sooner.
    (Nice drawings though.)

  • RCDC

    Unidentified alright but the engine and flight are more likely a VTOL aircraft. Probably it would take another 100 years to have a reaf UFO unless they will discover the anti magnetic aircraft flight early.

  • Liam

    ET…phone home!! The USAF has lost it’s cookies!!

  • Da Vinci

    Leonardo’s “helicopter” design, in the 1400’s, could be the ground work for the current “flying saucer” design (

  • Veng

    It wasn’t cancelled, it was absorbed by the XCOM Project. :p

  • cleareyedreader

    Avro, the Canadian company. Isn’t this the one the built the Avro Arrow, a fighter which got mysteriously cancelled on a call from the prez to the Canadian prime minister at the time? Too much competition for Boeing, Grumman, etc. Not sure.

    • Avroengines

      Yes, it is the same Avro. I work for what is left of that company in Toronto in the plant where the Iroquois engines were built. There were multiple contracts with the US for development of various equipment back in that time period. The Avrocar was not the same contract as this story applies to. The Avrocar was supposed to be a troop carrier for the army to use over swampy, difficult terrain. Similar to a hovercraft, only hovercraft ended up working better. There were a few other projects as well that will probably appear out of the archives over the next couple of years.

    • Tiger


  • Pappa51

    The Truth is out there. . .

  • Woody

    I saw this flying around when I used Google Earth to look at Area 51…..ho hum, old news…..just like you can see a U-2 taking off from the other airport near there….boo-ya!…I saw this before all of you here…..

    • H. Jones

      When was that Woody? I saw the original USAF photos back in 1956 when they were marked Top Secret. Saw about 8 photos and read the letter about the secret base in Northern Montana and the joint US/Canadian task force. Now that this is out I can finally mention that incident.

  • Jim

    This is so new, it was in Popular Science magazines back in the 1960’s. I actually believe that this is one of the “strange light” arrays that people claim to see around that region at night. The best way to end a rumor mill, is to come forward and state that the experiments were cancelled, yet keep them going under another guise name. The only time our military services, and the CIA, or whomever is testing some new equipment, especially flying or underwater stuff is acknowledging it exists, while at the same time already working on new generation/s of the equipment.

    • Art Fraile

      Yep, thought so. I thought it was in the 70s this was in Pop Science.

    • The four forces of Thrust, Drag, Lift and Gravity would be irrelevant with a true UFO type craft, which is utterly independent of these forces….(except Thrust),,,,what they are talking about here is more like a flying “fan” or a helicopter,,, just pure silliness, and waste of time…FORCE FIELD PROPULSION is what is necessary, and this is dependent on an understanding of the VACUUM STRUCTURE (Structure of Space) and how to manipulate, exploit, pump it… It is a VERY STIFF and Substantive AETHER, which science has thrown by the wayside but in private cirles, it is realized as the Central Player in the Play,, all the talk about String theory, blah blah, is just wasting time,,, the Real Researchers have moved beyond it.

  • Thomas

    Lift is achieved by airflow that is faster flowing over the top of an object and slower moving under it, ie. a fixed wing.
    A circular object, such as the diagram above is incapable of lift because the airflow is reduced at the edges and increased in the center of the shape. The object is counter productive in regards to airflow and lift.

    • Curious

      Be careful with that idea of how lift is created over a wing. Bernoulli’s principle has long been misapplied in textbooks, websites, etc. in lift theory. There may be elements of truth in the principle in regards to lift theory, but it fails to offer any complete explanation. Lift of an airfoil is generated more from Newton’s Third Law coming into effect from air passing both under and over an airfoil.

    • Riceball

      Then how do you explain frisbees? Also, don’t forget the old saying that if you put enough thrust behind it you can make a brick fly; just look at the F-4 Phantom, supposedly had all the glide characteristics of a brick yet it flew because of its two big engines. So, even if a circular object is incapable you could still, theoretically, make it fly by giving it enough thrust. However, that’s not really necessary since we know that circular objects like frisbees achieve lift every day without any problems.

    • Don Davis

      It seems to me if this were true, a circular object not being capable of lift, that Frisbees wouldn’t work.

    • ken

      hmmm…isn’t a Frisbee round?

      • ken

        you guys said it better…i should have looked at the various replies before posting

  • walter f billings

    I was a SAC Nuclear Missile Launch Officer during the height of the Cold War in the 1970s, and I can tell you, that SAC, CIA, DIA, USAF, and everyone associated with them took the subject very seriously. They never laughed at the subject and they told us to keep our mouth shut to whatever we heard or saw.

    • Victoria

      This was my experience as well. There is much we have learned in a very short time and how that has happened is in much debate. Will we ever know the real truth. NO. Unless we speak in these kinds of formats.

  • Michael

    I remember reading about in Popular Science a long time ago.

  • Mama Habu

    Info was “Leaked” to the public, but the article says it was just “Declassified” – Yes, we all saw pics and articles about it earlier… but anyone “active” at the time was not allowed to talk about it. During the time, it was VERY intense and certianly NOT a laughing matter.

  • Lgi

    That giant triangle is a replacement for the
    USAF C-5B, it is a large flying wing,dirigible hybrid , it will eventually be shown to public.
    From a pissed off former Boeing Aerospace Engineer that worked on the project.

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      “That giant triangle…” – what giant triangle?

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

  • Fred

    $3million well spent. Retards

  • anne

    My husband and our children witnessed one hovering above the trees near our home in the 1970’s in Homestead, Florida. The military denied its existence at the time.

    • Chuck

      I was there in the 70s and saw that also.

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      “The military denied its existence at the time”.

      What exactly did “the military” say? Did they say “Didn’t exist – now STFU” or just “Nothing to do with us”. In the latter case, they could have been telling the truth if, for example, what you saw was a deliberate hoax of some kind, perpetrated by a bunch of bored frat-boys?

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

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  • indianmedicine

    If you look at the “History Channel”, much Technology was obtained during & after WWII from Plans that Germany was undertaking. Interesting that this is NOT News, but confirmation that The United States Govt.knew much more about ET’s then claimed.

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      Please explain to the cynical sceptic:

      How exactly does “….much Technology was obtained during & after WWII from Plans that Germany was undertaking” confirm that “The United States Govt.knew much more about ET’s”?

      If anything, it would indicate that it’s not about ETs, but about classified aircraft projects.

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

  • Andrew

    Anne, I would love to hear more about the Homestead incident. I had my own strange sighting at RAF Lakenheath in the UK. Always assumed it was just an early sighting of classified aircraft.

  • Shane

    Thomas, how do you know the photos are fake. Not challenging your claim just curious. Also I agree with J Vance in the argument of the need for secrecy, our military is what it is due to secrecy. We can almost be sure that the military is always one step ahead. Isn’t that how it works, the military develops technology, and keeps it secret until it needs to be utilized. If there was not secrecy there would be no military. Don’t you agree?

    • DougF

      Ummm…no. The military very often offers up advancements for public use, witness the Internet and GPS as just two of many. And, no secrecy does not mean no military. Yes, all militaries have “secrets”, just as everyone else on the planet does. Some secrets would give enemies a direct advantage, others, if known, might steer adversaries around obstacles or at least away from ideas or concepts that don’t work. Every dollar you can get the enemy to spend chasing wild geese is a dollar NOT spent on valid projects

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      PART 1:

      No probs. I fully acknowledge the need for military (or even civilian/commercial) secrecy, and as stated above, if there are any genuine UFOs out there, I find it most likely that they are(presently unknown) classified aircraft programs.

      Please note that what I referred to as “fake” was Nazi Flying Saucer (TM) photos and plans, specifically of the “Vril” variety. Essentially, I do so because there is no reason to believe otherwise. “Somebody posted it on the Interwebs” does not make it true. I mean, for frak’s sake, google “Vril disc” and tell me what you think…..


    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      PART 2:

      To be more specific:

      1) The documents on Nazi Flying Saucers (TM) seem to have appeared out of nowhere in the post-war period. I have yet to see any source reference for any of it that indicates it’s genuine.

      2) The persons, books and internet sources that peddle this stuff are themselves fine arguments for disbelief (This is one of the “best”: http://greyfalcon dot us/ WARNING: May cause your head to asplode!)

      3) If the Nazi’s actually had anti-gravity, 10 000 mph flying saucers in 1944, why did they still manage to lose the war?

      I hope that answers your question.

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

      • Riceball

        Not doubting you but as to your #3, by 1944 the Germany probably couldn’t produced a working flying saucer even if they knew how. By 1944 the end was very near and their manufacturing capacity wasn’t what it once was. By that point both skilled labor and materials were getting short and they were having a hard enough time making their existing planes don’t mention some sort of advanced anti-grav flying saucer. I mean, how many different planned wonder weapons did they have on their drawing boards by war’s end but were never able to actually produce?

        Perhaps the biggest argument for why they didn’t have a flying saucer in 1944 when they, supposedly could have? Hitler. By 1944 he was stark raving mad and even more of a complete idiot than he ever was and he could easily have ordered them not to be produced/fielded because they’d take away from some other super war winning weapons system in the works.

        • Thomas L. Nielsen

          I agree with your assessment, Riceball, but with “modifications” :-)

          The “1944” I quoted was the year when Nazi Germany supposedly had armed, war-ready anti-gravity flying saucers in the air. The first prototype (again: supposedly) flew in 1939. See e.g. (repeat warning: May cause your head to asplode): http://discaircraft.greyfalcon dot us/HAUNEBU.htm and http://discaircraft.greyfalcon dot us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm

          If this is supposed to be the case, then up until perhaps late 1943, even Adolf McLoonyPants Hitler would have recognized that these were not just war-winning but world-winning weapons (they would in effect have constituted the “super war winning weapons system” you refer to).

          As such, if any of this is true, the Nazi’s had every opportunity to start mass production of their alleged anti-gravity flying saucers before Adolf went completely bonkers.

          Regards & all,

          Thomas L. Nielsen

          • TrustButVerify

            Well… my head asplode.

  • RichD

    One of the two “Avrocars” is now on display at the Air Force Museum’s research aircraft gallery at WPAFB.

  • Tiger

    I’m calling the MIB to have your minds erased….

  • Vaporhead

    Anybody notice that the new drone (X-47B) is a spitting image of that alien craft from the movie “Flight of the Navigator?” That movie came out in the mid 80’s.

  • Psyche335

    Though I believe there is significant empirical evidence to suggest UFOs exist, these schematics are so ridiculous its comical! It suggests they were planning to use their existing technology to build a futuristic machine; it’s like using Leonardo’s plans to make a Tomcat!

  • Jim

    Just remember that we don’t know what we don’t know. According to my high level contacts with insider knowledge, the flying saucer was never cancelled, just moved to more secure facilities. The ex-nazi head of the predicessor to NASA discovered anomalies in the first three satellite launches and collaborated with is nazi scientist friends at the Rocky Plantation in Argentena, where they discovered anti gravity and started the Bell Project. The rest is secret society history that is rarely discussed with the uninitiated. I do not believe in keeping these secrets. I am a member of an new organization that is revealing these and other secrets to happiness, luck, wealth, and health, etc.

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      Oh please…. “According to my high level contacts with insider knowledge….” – Seriously? And the reason we should believe any of that is…..?

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

  • Unclass

    This wasn’t recently desclassified. My dad worked on this project in the 1960s. He and other members of the project wrote their names on an inner top panel of a prototype at the Transportation Museum in Ft. Eustic, VA.

  • jim

    Isn’t it funny how tax payers find out where their money is going some 60 years later?

  • Nigeriannightmare


    I was also stationed at RAF Lakenheath as an Air Traffic Controller in the tower and saw something flew across my radar screen working nightshift and I looked to the skye and saw something glide above. I called Approach Controll who confirmed that there was something out there. I then proceeded to call RAF Feltwell who are the detachment of Space command. He did say don’t worry about it. Come to find out later it was an expiremental aircraft. Too many secrets that we will never know about. Need to know is the Motto.

  • Gene Alfaro

    There is ine of these at the Fort Eustic Transportaion Museum.
    Reference: AVRO CAR VZ-9AV “Flying Saucer” The URL is
    NAIL 227

  • tom

    Ronald McDonald had a working version in the 1960s although it never got more than 6 inches of the ground. They later developed the hovercraft based on his design. Does anyone think Ronny was an actual Roswell survivor?

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      “Does anyone think Ronny was an actual Roswell survivor?”


      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

  • Brad

    So what are they saying: instead of being butt probed by E.T. it’s going to to be Lt. Bob?!

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      More like Mr. Ed from TSA (or Ms. Ed, if you’re lucky) :-)

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

  • John Boland

    Well, I doubt the research & development was full cancelled, though that one Canadian contract may have been. Look back the the stories oif the Navy Physicist in Las Vegas who proved he’d worked at Alamagordo NM and who claimed to have worked at Groom Lake (check your Rand McNallys) alegedly part of Area 51 who said we had ‘six’ flying saucers at Groom Lake. All flying on “anti-gravity.’ All the stories – with the back and forth – were front page news on the Las Vegas Review Journal between 1988 and 1991. Check it out…

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      “Look back the the stories oif the Navy Physicist in Las Vegas who proved he’d worked at Alamagordo NM and who claimed to have worked at Groom Lake”

      Links please! And if you’re talking about Bob Lazar…..don’t bother.

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

      • John Boland

        I couldn’t recal his name but you got it and while many beleive he’s a nut – his information including the design & shape of the ‘hanger’ at GROOM LAKE proved valid when a photo emerged. His credentials were challenged and he claims an effort to make him a non-person, but there was a photo on the front page of the Alamagordo paper of him with all the dignitaries at a ribbon cutting that was never debunked.
        His arrest in LV destoyed some of of alleged credibilty and some followers stayed with him as he ‘explained’ his ‘accounting’ affiliation with the Escort Business there.
        Probably will never lnow in my life time.

  • Gio

    Germans too was building flying saucers in the II world war . All the people are very interest to build this aircrafts for win the war .
    Remember that when the II war finished , german scientist were accepted in USA , inluded scientist tha working for SS ‘s . Win the war made to get scientist for win the war a priority, included people thar has been working in the opposote side .
    I imagina a men of this said about the fly saucers that Germany was beggining to buid and the acrrer for the first flying saucers begins here .
    Good history . Interersting forms of work in war times .

  • Cal

    I made this up! That’s my toy aircraft :)

  • marc

    The surest sign of intelligent life out there is that none of them have tried to contact us publicly.

  • Guest

    The drawings look familiar. Perhaps they are similar to ones in Popular Mechanics or Popular Science between 1955 and 1965.

  • Nami

    I heard that in Ancient India they UFO s were called “Vermona’s” ( spelling) long before Columbus Discovered America. Adolf Hitler sent his men after the Plans in India and also in 1936 a UFO crashed somewhere in Europe so Hitler and his men attempted Reverse Technology “Third Reich Secret Weapons”… Also Wernher Von Braun (Head of NASA, Died in 1974) told an American News Reporter, ” We (Germany) had Help from other than, of this World”…
    “V-1 Rocket”, First Cruz Missile… “The Bell” Time Travel… “V-2 Rocket” First ICBM… “New York Bomb” or Atomic Bomb, but we won that race, thanks to Prof. Albert Einstein… Then “Operation Paper Clip”, German Scientist Extraction… Followed and then “Operation High Jump”, Go After the Germans in Antarctica… See also Admiral Perry’ s Diary (Missing Log) Antarctica “Hollow Earth”.
    I strongly Believe that the United States, USSR, and China should get together and send a 1000 Planetary Probes to Every Known M2 Class Planet already. And in ten to Twenty years or so we can send people. Earth has the Population to do it!
    Everyone will say where’s the Money!!!! Money At this time should have been of the past… Humans as a whole should Be Working and Accumulating POINT s Or CREDIT s just by Living or Breathing…. Points and Credits Should Start from the Day You Where Born, 1 P/C (Point or Credit)… Tell the Day you Pass Away, Infinity P/C …
    The Special Elite Would have a special Card for Buying Power and Travel…. White Collar and Blue Collar Workers, Plant Workers, Farmers and Etc…. Would be Paid in the same manner as $$$$’ s but giving as P/C (Points Or Credits) instead. Points and Credit Raises should be brought before a board of members based on Work Ethics, Production, or No. of Year (s) Worked. Private Businesses workers well be Giving a Special Card also for P/C
    School and College is FREE, SAT Scores still Apply to see where you would fit in the Job Market. Also Based on your Interest! you also can return to College to learn more by choice.
    The Retired will be giving another P/C special card. The Disabled also will receive another P/C Special Card and Required Equipment…. Everyone would have Medical and Health Care Regulated by the City, State or Province… Everyone Should be a Free Human Being. Everyone will have a place to live! Criminals will still be Treated Accordingly until proving Innocent.
    AND Why Can”t we Put Several Giant Solar Panels or Mirrors in Space to Collect Solar Energy From the Sun and Transmit via HAARP the Electrical Impulse to a Relay Station on Earth and then transferred to Several Sub-Power Stations, etc…

    • Nami

      I would like to add that as far as purchases go with P/C (Points or Credit). It would be Subtracted from your Special Personal Card. When on Vacation any Where Same thing. No matter what you will Receive P/Cs. Its just that when you work you will earn more Points or Credit. Everyone will At least be able to go on One Vacation to any where of their Choice. P/C Should lead to No Starvation. No Taxes of Any Kind. We Can start With The United States by Announcing to the other Nations that The American Green Backs $$$ is no Good outside of the USA and that only the Colourful Money ( Just like War Money), which is only good outside of the USA and well trade One WM $$ for One GB $$ . And we will hold the Green Back Money .. And In the mean time every one in the USA will be earning Points or Credit and Producing More Factories, Products, Research Labs This will Free up the Economy and hardships in the USA… P/C can also be Transferred to our loved ones by a “Will”, when we Pass on …. Points and Credit is to basically show ourselves how much we are Worth to ourselves.
      Energy (Electricity), Food and Clean Water (Desalinization of Sea Water) Technology should be shared Among Countries.

      • Thomas L. Nielsen

        I heard that in Ancient India they UFO s were called “Vermona’s” [….] Go After the Germans in Antarctica… See also Admiral Perry’ s Diary (Missing Log) Antarctica “Hollow Earth”.”

        Citations very, very, very badly needed.

        Regards & all,

        Thomas L. Nielsen

        • Nami

          trying seeing the documentaries Discovery Channel and You tube Documentaries of Old Film Clips…. You have to be very selective about Pictures. Whats Real and Whats Not. I have had 8 years of Still Photography Work. I have done my own research. If you study hard enough, You will find that The Bible Does mention UFO s, and that Dragons did walk with mankind, all life was Created on the Sixth Day! Marco Polo Describes A T-Rex in his Diaries when he went to meet the Emperor of China… Bones, Fossils, etc. are Scattered all over the Surface of this Planet. When you visit the Grand Canyon, you won’t find bones of Dinosaurs or Fossils embedded in Layers one on top of the other… They Only teach you that in the United States! So you need to look and open your mind and put all of the bits and pieces of Knowledge together… Actual events turns into Stories that we pass on to our Children. Stories become Fables and Legends, and Legends becomes Myths. Planet Earth Has Died Three Times Believe It or Not. So You should Learn and Believe that The Bible and Science Does Go in Hand with One Another….

          • Thomas L. Nielsen

            “….trying seeing the documentaries Discovery Channel and You tube Documentaries of Old Film Clips” – Links, please. It’s the least you could do.

            “You have to be very selective about Pictures. Whats Real and Whats Not.” – If you mean “selective” as in “prefers actual evidence” then yes, I am very selective.

            “If you study hard enough, You will find that The Bible Does mention UFO s, and that Dragons did walk with mankind, all life was Created on the Sixth Day!” – Sources for that?

            “Marco Polo Describes A T-Rex in his Diaries….” – Really? Source?

            “So You should Learn and Believe that The Bible and Science Does Go in Hand with One Another” – No. They don’t.

            Regards & all,

            Thomas L. Nielsen

  • Daniel Surprenant

    Just to keep everyone “honest,” this was in “wikipedi” long before it was posted here (or anywhere else for that matter. The Avro flying saucer was a disaster from the beginning (poor stability, difficulty with pilot control, powerplant to thrust vectoring etc.). The concept of a saucer type vehicle (see Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar), and a flying wing (see Northrop N-1M circa 1940) have long been “declassified. The flying saucer type “military” aircraft had potential, but only as a short range fighter or possible a CAS (Close air Support) vehicle. I could be wrong but the Avro car did not have any supersonic (Mach +) capabilities in the initial concept.

  • Freddy

    Yeah, this thing is so secret that it has been on display at the National Museum of the US Air Force near Dayton Ohio for the last 5 or 6 years. I know because I have seen it numerous times. It has also been featured on Discover Channel “WINGS” back in the 1980s.

    Oh, and by the way, it never worked out as an airplane, but the technology they got out of it led to the developement of hovercraft, including the Navy’s LCACs.


    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      “….but the technology they got out of it led to the developement of hovercraft,….”

      Not quite. The idea for the hovercraft (or Air Cushion Vehicles), and the initial design efforts, date back to the 1930s.

      Christopher Cockerell built several hovercraft models in the 1950s, and the first full-size vehicle, the SR.N1, made its first “flight” in 1959.

      While I have no doubt that experiences with the Avro “flying saucer” were used to improve the hovercraft, the development of the hovercraft was well under way when these “saucers” were designed.

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

  • bozo

    tell the air force to get the fliying saucers from the skys of michigan they look better

  • Arthur

    The OTC X-1 prototype used technology close to the German Vrill, Haunnebu, and Thule built during WW2. Victor Shauberger’s centripetal plasma engine, or “Marconi Vortex Dynamo” recently referred to as “Super Fluid Gravity Centrifuge” TR3B Ed Fouche. This did not rely on atmospheric pressure. The information has been thoroughly suppressed to protect the profitability of oil, and to preserve the money system by concentrating control of energy commodity into only a few hands worldwide. (by the central bank)

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      “The information has been thoroughly suppressed to protect the profitability of oil, and to preserve the money system by concentrating control of energy commodity into only a few hands worldwide.”

      Except this conspiracy didn’t do all that good a job on the whole “suppression” thing, did it? I mean, you managed to see right through it….

      And of course you can provide evidence in support of all this?

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

  • John Fricks

    I believe the propulsion system was to far advanced for 1950’s technology. However the concept remained with promise of actual scientific prospect that vertical takeoff and carrier use could be realized with modifications to program objectives. The early scientific knowledge coupled with newer computer technology is a sure ringer that we are doing the same thing today towards duplicating the Roswell findings to further own defense and space capabilities.

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      “….a sure ringer that we are doing the same thing today towards duplicating the Roswell findings to further own defense and space capabilities.”

      “the Roswell findings” – you mean that Project Mogul balloon? Those have been duplicated for years both before and after Roswell.

      “….to further own defense and space capabilities” – The Avro project has no “space capability”. It’s jet powered.

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen

  • Scott W.

    Delivered it to the AF Museum (Restoration Hangar) in Dayton, OH on Oct 27, 2007. Have a great picture of our loadmasters loading it onto our C-5.

  • darryl

    we have this technology more advanced then anyone leaving earth atmosphere going to the moon and back we dont need alien technology we have our own technology german gave us

  • Phillip I Wink
  • The united States has the most advance flying sauser in the world,because it can afford it,money is the secret to their flying sauser projects,to bribe and pamper the ex-Nazi scientist,and in return?the nazi scientist gave all they got in terms of technical Layouts,from the very innards of the flying sauser to the outer skin coverings of their sauser,which is covered by titanium sheet metal,the flying sauser cannotbe shotdown,because it has counter magnetic shield of extreme high votages,and thats why the crew of six?wear anti-radiation suits to protect themself!,from the inside out high voltages of up to 50,0000thousand volts,to power this wonder craft through “Electrodes hidden under the titanium skin of the flying sauser,there are no moving parts;except for a small atomic reactor to give the necessary electricity needed,and the pellets are renewable every three years,a very economical terms.

  • ian glasgow

    a frizby is kept is the air as long as the power is in the spinning motion . with electomagnets computor driven a frizby could be controlled with minimal power . the huge challange would be to gyro the centre control area to keep it stationary . and have motion jets for forward or sideways motion control when the outer shell is at a speed sufficiet to allow take off

  • john thompson

    I can not buy any of this. consider that to have a craft travel millions of light years can not use wires or friction that will burn out. light waves and frequencies and vibrations yes.