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F-22 transfer to Tyndall frozen

by Mike Hoffman on October 15, 2012

The Air Force has delayed the transfer of an F-22 squadron from Holloman Air Force Base, N.M. to Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., as the Air Force has halted planned force structure changes.

Air Force leaders paused proposed transfers after the service’s plans received fierce opposition from Congress over perceived slights to the Air Force National Guard and Reserve. The transfer of the 7th Fighter Squadron and its F-22s is just one of many aircraft movements put on hold.

The Air Force has not set a date when the transfers will restart as a potential $500 billion cut to defense spending looms if Congress does not avoid sequestration set for Jan. 2. The resulting sequestration cut would alter force structure planning for all three services and force military leaders to re-evaluate the budgets they put forth to Congress this past year.

The two F-16 squadrons at Luke Air Force Base, Ariz., will remain there as the plan to move them to Holloman were dependent on the transfer of the 7th Fighter Squadron.

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Menzie October 15, 2012 at 5:39 pm

Yeah it is unfortunate that the military is coming to hard times but with no present conflict a major concern the funding must be put towards infrastructure, education, healthcare, social security, etc. They Will maintain a force of over a million soldiers, airmen, sailors. But by "trimming the fat" so to speak we can afford the outrageously expensive F22, and F35. We are leaking money like a sieve and at least until the economy returns to its former glory there is no argument from me about funding cuts to the military. Would you rather have an even more crumbling road network , sewer networks, children in the south starving? An old argument and one I failed to see before the economic crisis. You must remember that our country maitains the largest most heavily funded military organization in the world. Even with the cuts it will still be so. Our research and development has not been cut so we will maintain supremacy as far as new technologies for some time. Could the Chinese surpass us? Yes it is a possibility but not for at least two decades, during which time the economic environment may change. It is a case of maybe's but I would rather see the next generation of children fully educated and integrated in preparation for that day.

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Ben October 15, 2012 at 7:02 pm

Agree, agree, agree.

Everyone's going nuts about the spending cuts but in reality our defense budget is $100 billion dollars more than what we spent on average per year during the Cold War! It's allowed for too many bad decisions to be haphazardly made.

I'm all for the cuts, because to be honest, we don't need to be playing World Police right now. In fact, we can't afford to. Not with our economy in the dumps. All that is necessary is that we're able to defend ourselves and maintain an unparalleled technological advantage, gained through heavy investment in R&D. That's what's always given us our edge, so as long as we maintain a commanding lead we'll always be able to crank out the extra equipment if/when we need it.

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sferrin October 16, 2012 at 7:03 pm

"Everyone's going nuts about the spending cuts but in reality our defense budget is $100 billion dollars more than what we spent on average per year during the Cold War!"

There's this thing called "inflation". We are actually spending less as a percentage of GNP than at any other time since before WWII.

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Patriot October 15, 2012 at 7:05 pm

"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
If you wish for peace, prepare for war.

No, the Chinese can't pass us for another two decades. However, why would we want them to catch up to us? American lives are at stake in war, and if we let other countries catch up, many move lives would be lost. If we always maintain an edge, we will always maintain control of our trade routes and other thing that encourage our economy.

The only thing keeping China from becoming a global super power is it's military. They have no power projection. They have the economy and and the will power, but no brawn to back it up. The USA does.

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Wing October 15, 2012 at 7:42 pm

I don't know that we have a famine in US that children are staving. I see that we waste tons of money on so called education every year and the test scores keep going down and the graduation rate is not improving at all. I know that many billions has been wasted on so called green project without anything to show. Go figure.

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Moe Sizlack October 15, 2012 at 11:06 pm

My my…all the naieve statements from all these posters…cut defense,all the money will go to all the social programs we have so grown attached to..living off of the money spigot while others die to preserve the disgusting lifestyle we all live. I love the c-r-a-p during election year and judging by all the comments here so far, the feeble minded who buy into the c-r-a-p pitched by all the politicos who spew it into a spoon fed media. Cut defense…we need money for schools! What a crock. How about cut schools instead….

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Kirk Gibbs October 16, 2012 at 1:07 am

Why do you assume I want that money going to social programs. Like I said its not how much money you spend, but how you spend it. If you take money out of defense that doesn't mean it gets put back into social programs. What I said was we (the USA) are pulling a throw money at the problem solution.

How has that played out in Afghanistan and Iraq in the last ten to twelve years? Have we won in Afghanistan? Is Iraq a Japan/Germany level ally post WWII yet? At some point we decided that the highest tech equipment was greater than an intelligent strategic plan. Our men and women overseas are doing the best they can, but if the people in charge of our nation whether democrat or republican don't care enough to give them a way to come home….who's really losing?

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steve October 16, 2012 at 6:42 pm

All Social Programs need to be, are are OVERDUE re-evaluation!!! First we must remove those do gooders from all of their or influences and rely on facts and figures without regards to race or ethnicity! It appears more and more that women in Congress are becoming an overbearing influence socializing far too many programs with their hearts instead of their brains… Pouring aid down drainpipes cures nothing… all for the sake of ancient historical patterns??? It is obvious that those that have been on government programs for 4 or more years should be removed PERIOD! All those that reject education, reject work ALL should be removed immediately. Accountability must prevail without any favoritism! which prevails today…. We need fresh blood running our programs today, none of the previous directors, and providers!!! Avoid any encompassing "special" groups to provide this government aid as is the picture today….

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Owen October 16, 2012 at 8:57 pm

It was once suggested elimination of the Dept. Of Education, turning that responsibility over to each individual state. Who best can direct the funds in the right direction than state governments. They, the states, are closer to the needs of the students than Washington.

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blight_ October 16, 2012 at 11:18 pm

It raises the risk that some states will do a better job of educating than others, especially without the DOE to rain subsidies down from DC.

Of course, pork-barrel states without a tax base will cry foul, but more self-sufficient states will probably breathe a sigh of relief.

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William C. October 16, 2012 at 3:17 am

Industry doesn't maintain itself and our fleet of aircraft isn't getting any younger. We need to stop maintaining so many bases and installations in foreign countries and refocus that money on modernization efforts.

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hefe October 16, 2012 at 12:41 pm

I agree completely. There are conservative think tanks that show an excess of 100 billion dollars annually in the defense budget.

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DAY October 16, 2012 at 6:44 pm

THE CONSTITUTION ACTUALLY ONLY AUTHORIZED TAXING FOR SUPPORTING A MILITARY. ALL THIS OTHER STUFF YOU TALK ABOUT IS WASTE. IF WE DID NOT HAVE SO MANY WASTEFUL SOCIAL PROGRAMS, INCLUDING A FRAUD IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WE WOULD NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT CUTTING OUR MILITARY, WHICH MAKES ALL THE OTHER CRAP POSSIBLE.

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UAVGeek October 16, 2012 at 7:06 pm

Did you actually read the Constitution? It does not limit taxation ONLY to supporting a military. In this day an age taxes aren't even USED for funding the government. It's time you lay off the caps lock and get an education.

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tiger October 17, 2012 at 9:25 pm

OK then. Scrap the damn toy planes & spend it on 10 years of veterans. A F-22 will buy a lot of Legs, Arms, hearing aids & mental health counseling. Sorry, but most Americans care more about keep a house over there head. Not some mythical Sukhoi dropping bombs on it. Your want protection from something? Try a real threat? You have a better chance of getting HIV than fighting some Chinese boogie man.

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Steve W October 17, 2012 at 9:12 am

The only reason children are starving is their parent (1 usually) is buying cigarettes and boose and drugs…. No present conflict? Just wait. These boob in the WH has opened the gates.

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Thomas L. Nielsen October 17, 2012 at 9:28 am

"The only reason children are starving is their parent (1 usually) is buying cigarettes and boose and drugs…."

And the factual data to back up that statement is where [looks around]?

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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blight_ October 17, 2012 at 10:16 am

Maybe in Luxembourg "politics" doesn't involve as much ad hominem, but here in the states, it makes a Parliament session in Britain look like a tea party. And those parliament sessions are so much more vicious than American ones…

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Thomas L. Nielsen October 17, 2012 at 11:01 am

It also means that our political sessions are much less entertaining (I mean, entertainment value is why the FSM gave us politicians, isn't it?).

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

Benz December 24, 2012 at 8:10 pm
air force 22 October 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm

the only "problem" with thinking that cutting military budgets will allow the U S to put the money somewhere else. We borrowed over 40% of the money that we pend on everything. so the extra money just isn't there. it's just less we will borrow which a good thing.

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Wayne October 18, 2012 at 3:34 pm

The future of our military begains today.
The future of our Country should had started yesterday!

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joe October 20, 2012 at 12:30 am

what do you mean "children of the south"? i'm from the south, does that mean i'm poor? you stupid yankee

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USA October 15, 2012 at 6:24 pm

it really is to bad the military is losing a lot of funding now and they really need to fix those problems the f22 is having. i would also like to see the numbers of the raptor increase since the russians and the communist chinese have stolen there own stealth palins. the air force has some serious compitition now. americas military really needs to step up its game before the chinese catch up to us.

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blight_ October 17, 2012 at 11:17 am

I didn't know the Palins had a low radar cross section.

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USA October 15, 2012 at 6:53 pm

you sound very smart. my email is eugenenunnp51@hottmail.com if you want to talk more about it but with all the compitition with the russians and the chinese it seems like we need to beef up our military now rather than decreese it. that will only make us weaker. how about the president stop wasting money on crap we dont need before you decide to decrese military funding because we really need that. there are many reasons we have the strongest military in the world but military spending is one of them. we shouldnt cut it. id rather cut other things that we dont NEED before i cut military spending. we NEED these plains

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Ron October 15, 2012 at 7:29 pm

It also worrisome that the Typhoon's were able to score kill shots on F22's inside beyond visual during Alaska Red Flag, unacceptable!!!

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Jim October 15, 2012 at 10:16 pm

well that is why they were able to, it was within visual range. The Raptor was designed for BVR combat, its suppposed to pop off a missile long before it gets into a knife fight. The typhoon is definitely going to be the more maneuverable aircraft with those huge canards. Typhoon can only win in wargames where the Raptor is restricted to close in dog-fights.

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Ron October 15, 2012 at 11:02 pm

That is why in my opinion unacceptable Jim, you spent that much amount of technology-if you drop your knife in combat you should be able to know how to win in a hand to hand combat.

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Mike October 16, 2012 at 11:21 pm

"The typhoon is definitely going to be the more maneuverable aircraft with those huge canards."

Wrong.

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Lance October 15, 2012 at 10:56 pm

Except for number cut and its oxygen system the F-22 has no problems but no more F-22s and fact budgets will get alot smaller means most F-22 units are stuck in there home bases.

Tyndale has F-15s so no real loss there anyway.

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Mike October 16, 2012 at 11:22 pm

Where is "Tyndale"? Did you mean Tyndall? Tyndall has F-15s?

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Billmill October 17, 2012 at 10:51 am

Tyndall no longer has F-15's the training mission for C's was transfered to the OANG
The 1st , 2nd and 95FS are all inactive and the 43FS is the F-22 training squadron.

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torquewrench October 16, 2012 at 3:13 am

Re the photo:

The use of the lightning bolt in U.S. military insignia should have been permanently stood down at the same time that Strategic Air Command was stood down, since the SAC insignia prominently incorporated the lightning bolt. Just as record-setting athletes have their numbers retired.

Credit where credit is due, for those who at SAC who kept the peace during the worst part of the Cold War.

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TonyC October 16, 2012 at 9:15 am

The Typhoon is maneuverable and has supercruise capability, the same as the F-22A. The F-22A has vectored thrust and very high angle of attack capability better than the Typhoon. The dog fight comes down to the skill of the pilot, much like the WWII Spitfire versus ME-109.

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Ron October 17, 2012 at 2:05 pm

Well sounds like our pilots needs to go back to TOP GUN school for more training, F22's are made for one thing air dominance, no room to be out skilled.

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tiger October 17, 2012 at 8:53 pm

They are more needed to drive UAV's & kill real bad guys. Not sit in F-22 cockpits dreaming hypothetical air to air fights.

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David S. October 16, 2012 at 11:03 am

Given the facts that stealth coatings can be damaged in bad weather, and that we are turning our defensive focus towards Asia; I can't imagine why we would want to move F-22s from dry New Mexico to wet Florida.

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Torstein Tobiassen October 16, 2012 at 12:25 pm

The 70 latest produced F-22s have the same stealth material as the F-35, a material that is much more durable. So that's no reason not to buy more.

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Praetorian October 16, 2012 at 1:35 pm

There is a difference on how the stealth coating is applied. The F-22 is, for the most part, aluminum so the stealth coating is glued on. The F-35 is made more of composites, so the stealth coating is baked on.

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madderhatter October 18, 2012 at 1:00 pm

The 43d Fighter Squadron (at Tyndall in FL) was the first squadron ever to have the F-22. It's pretty wet and can be very cold at Elmendorf AFB, AK, and there's a bunch of them there as well. I used to be in the 43FS (87-93) when Elmendorf was homebase, Of course during that time we were F-15C/D models.

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blight_ October 16, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Congress seems to always butt in.

Let's pick contractors in their district-cost goes up
Let's pander to certain businesses who pay the right people-costs go up
Let's pander to certain employee groups-costs go up
Let's play General and decree where the air force can move aircraft-costs go up.

Hmm…who's at fault here?

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Michael852 October 18, 2012 at 6:15 pm

If we are going to look to the pacific region from now on, why move fighters east to Florida. It would more sense to leave them in New Mexico in the first place.

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Sailor12 October 17, 2012 at 1:05 pm

This is a jobs issue.

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Vaporhead October 17, 2012 at 2:35 pm

They could cut the entire defense budget, but the government still does not take in enough money to pay for the "mandated by law" entitlement programs. Only a significant complete overhaul of the government and how it operates will bring our budget back into the green.

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tiger October 17, 2012 at 8:48 pm

Elections or not, the cuts are needed & are coming.

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Steve-O October 17, 2012 at 8:40 pm

They need to re-evaluate the F-23 airframe. The politics involved with that decision were quite literally criminal.

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tiger October 17, 2012 at 8:47 pm

Your dreaming…… It's a museum piece now.

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Larry Fisher October 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm

And how do we get the F22s and F35s in range to attack Russia and China? Do you understand that there range is limited. They are useless toys. The era of dogfights is over.

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James M. Horak October 17, 2012 at 9:19 pm

Congress is to blame those fat cats vote and create problems then election time they campaign against them so you can blame Senator Patty Murry and the rest of the so called super committee.

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ROBERT STEIN October 17, 2012 at 11:42 pm

THINK HOW MANY F-5 OR F-20S YOU COULD BUY FOR 1 F-22 THIS HIGH TECH CRAP IS NOT PRACTICAL FOR REAL SHOOTING WARS. IF THE CONG PILOTS HAD OUR TRAINING THE MIG-21 WOULD HAVE WIPED OUR BUTTS PUT A F-20 AGAINST A F22 AND I"LL BET ON THE 20 OR 5 SINCE WAR IS A SCARE TACTIC I"M NOT LOSEING ANY SLEEP.

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William Clark lll October 18, 2012 at 5:25 am

Why is money our life in this world what about loving each other an the hell with the GOV.

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Ron October 18, 2012 at 2:19 pm

Because we are not a civilized world, nor civilized human race for that matter.

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Robert October 18, 2012 at 9:05 am

I missed news about the squadron move from Holloman to Tyndall AFBs. What was AF's reasoning for transfer?
My thought would be to move all the F-22s to the Air National Guard. I spent 18 years in reserve assignments after active duty including a tour at DaNang AB. I know the Air Guard can do the mission as good as the active force.

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