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Kelley’s financial strife adds clues to FBI email investigation

by Mike Hoffman on November 13, 2012

A prominent Tampa, Fla., social planner who has found herself at the center of a sex scandal ensnaring two of America’s most prominent generals has faced considerable financial problems that likely grabbed the attention of FBI investigators, experts said.

Jill Kelley, a volunteer social liaison at MacDill Air Force Base, home to U.S. Central Command, is the one who first reported the anonymous, threatening emails she received to the FBI. It’s been widely reported those emails came from Paula Broadwell, an Army reservist and biographer of retired Gen. David Petraeus, who felt Kelley was getting too close to the Army four-star.

The resulting investigation led to the resignation of Petraeus from his post as director of the CIA after admitting to carrying on an affair with Broadwell. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Tuesday the investigation into Kelley’s email correspondence now also includes Marine Corps Gen. John Allen, the top commander in Afghanistan.

A senior defense official said the FBI has uncovered over 30,000 pages of emails between Allen and Kelley over a two year span that started when Allen served as U.S. Central Command’s deputy commander. A Pentagon official described the emails as “inappropriate and flirtatious.” Allen has declined comment forwarding any requests to the Pentagon.

So far U.S. prosecutors have not charged either generals or the two women with any crimes. Minus any charges, some have questioned why the FBI completed such a thorough investigation into these four individual’s email accounts and why they publicly disclosed their affairs.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform National Security, Homeland Defense and Foreign Operations subcommittee, might have opened a window into the FBI’s reasoning when he pointed out this morning on CNN the FBI would have needed to obtain a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant from a FISA Court to access private citizen’s emails.

A FISA warrant is only granted by the court if the FBI can prove the individual’s under surveillance pose a national security risk. An investigation connecting the CIA Director as well the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan is a start toward presenting such a threat.

A closer look at Jill Kelley’s background and the financial problems her and her husband have faced in recent years would have set off more red flags for FBI investigators and FISA Court judges. Debt is seen as one of the most serious threats to a military leader or agency official who holds a security clearance. Security analysts said a person’s financial history is one of the most important parts of an individual’s application for a security clearance — more so than even a drug test.

Kelley’s husband Scott is a prominent doctor in the Tampa community. However, the Tampa Bay Times reported that Central Bank filed a $2.2 million lawsuit against the Kelleys in 2011 for not making payments on a loan for a three-story office building in downtown Tampa.

The Central Bank lawsuit was one of nine against the Kelleys in the past decade dealing with credit card debt and missed payments on real estate.  Court records show on going cases that “include an indebtedness case from Chase Bank; a foreclosure case from Regions Bank; and a credit card case from FIA Card Services,” the Tampa Bay Times reports.

Jill Kelley, 37, is not from Tampa Bay. She grew up in Pennsylvania with her four siblings. She is first generation American. Her parents moved to the U.S. from Lebanon in the 1970s.

She started to volunteer at MacDill after Kelley “organized galas and fashion shows benefiting the American Red Cross and the Tampa Museum of Art,” according to the Tampa paper. However, she couldn’t find her niche in those social circles and moved on to MacDill where she soon started organizing the most prominent military benefits for wounded warriors at the base.

The Kelley family soon befriended Petraeus and his wife as well as other leading members of the military brass who frequently visited CentCom headquarters. Those connections combined with her family’s financial problems would have motivated the FBI to look deeper into Kelley’s past.

“I can’t think of a better target for a foreign intelligence source than a woman who is connected to America’s top military leaders and who is also struggling financially,” said a Pentagon security official who asked not to be named.

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BlackOwl18E November 13, 2012 at 12:51 pm

So now General John Allen is under investigation too? With General Petraeus and Christopher Kubasik from Lockheed that makes three major positions of power being changed for extramarital scandals. Something really fishy is going on and I don't think it's any coincidence that this has happened shortly after the election.


Brian November 13, 2012 at 1:20 pm

This happened way before the election, you're just learning about it now.


tmb2 November 13, 2012 at 1:40 pm

Brian, I think that's the problem a lot of people are having with this situation. Did Petraeus or the FBI sit on this because of the election? Were they asked to hold off?


DanS November 13, 2012 at 2:11 pm

It might be because the FBI is coming off like the Keystone Cops in their investigation. One of their agents sent shirtless photos to Kelley in the past for heaven's sake. They clearly don't look good. No one wants to take the hit, because everyone acted like a bunch of Lifetime movie characters. Its amateur hour, and blame Cialis commercials.


blight_ November 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm

It is reported that this only really started rolling because Kelley knew an FBI agent in some capacity and reported it to the agent.

"I'm being harassed, can you do me a personal favor and look into it?"
(agent looks into it)
"Who is this person doing cyberharassment? Let's dig"
"Hey, it's this person…who is also a Petraeus biographer. Interesting. Let's subpoena her emails"
"Hey, is she having strange email convos with David Petraeus or what?!"


Musson November 13, 2012 at 3:51 pm

This could originally have been an attempt to divert attention from the fact that the Benghazi compound was a CIA internment facility. (Can you say Waterboarding?)

But now, this sex scandal has become an obsession with the Media.


IronV November 13, 2012 at 5:16 pm

Yeah. It's fishy. Extra-marital dalliances have been secretly and systematically encouraged by the Obama Administration as part of their plot to undermine family values. But they were so focused on the objective, they didn't see the election coming, so had to take evasive action at the last minute in a desparate attempt at a cover up. But Congressional Republicans are not fooled. They know it's all part of the larger but also secret socialist/muslim agenda…


Thomas L. Nielsen November 14, 2012 at 9:44 am

….also supported by Majic12, the Bilderberg Group, the Zionist Conspiracy, Lex Luthor and the reptilian aliens from Betelgeuse IV.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen


James Gumm November 14, 2012 at 12:00 pm

What an idiot! Only a complete fool would make a statement like that,


IronV November 14, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Hey! That's MISTER "Complete Fool" to you, Gumm… How can you fail to recognize the Obama administration for its mastery of the conspiratorial cover up? Never seen anything like it. From "Gun Runner" to Benghazi et al. These people can INSTANTANEOUSLY pull a massive, widespread, air-tight coverup across hundreds, if not thousands of govt, military and civilian co-conspirators and pull it off. Gotta hand it to them. If it weren't for the Sherlock Holmes of the House, the brilliant Darryl Issa, we'd know NOTHING…


Phil November 14, 2012 at 9:53 am

It does seem a bit curios especially a few weeks after Petreus making the statement about the CIA not telling anyone to stand down in Benghazi. payback maybe?


blight_ November 14, 2012 at 11:22 am

Not really, because when the wifey says there is no affair, there is no affair.

Unless you suggest that the administration kept it in their pocket as Ace In The Hole…which is lame, because when you fire someone, they usually get mad and blab even more, which inevitably backfires on you.

Petraeus will probably be compelled to testify at the house and senate intel committees…though I guess he might cop the fifth to avoid self incrimination if there is dirt on him.

In defense of the CIA, they are the guys who went to the rescue. What is there to hide?


TonyC November 13, 2012 at 1:06 pm

Eddie Murphy will be the new CIA director!!!


Noel November 13, 2012 at 1:17 pm

There is a reality show opportunity here somewhere.


blight_ November 13, 2012 at 3:10 pm

Real Directors of the CIA…

Though "Real Politicians of Washington DC" will follow six politicians, three Dems and three Republicans as they prove that they are truly for sale to the highest bidder.


Terry November 13, 2012 at 1:36 pm

Just don't want them to get distracted from Benghazi with all this "Real Housewives" drama. It's all smoke and mirrors.


DanS November 13, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Jack Jacobs called out the Ambassador the other day saying it was basically insane for him to be messing around in Benghazi. The station was a CIA front, with limited personnel, he was traveling with a very small team. Basically it was just a bad decision to put himself in that position. I don't like piling on a dead guy, but the analysis seems pretty accurate to me.


blight_ November 13, 2012 at 2:37 pm

The interesting question is how was security in Tripoli, where the embassy is.

It's better not to think about the fact that the ambassador was outside the wire on 9/11. The Libyans still had a responsibility to protect foreign nationals on Libyan soil, and failed miserably. That said, in the absence of proper security by the Libyan government, the next question is whether or not the United States was particularly eager to bring in a Spectre and start shelling buildings in a civilian area.

It's a touchy decision, but even Bush Jr did not send Predator drones over Pakistani *cities* to destroy safehouses. The Israelis, on the other hand have no such qualms over using Hellfires in Gaza or West Bank to get HVT's.

If the ambassador had simply deferred business or taken a helicopter back to Tripoli, he would probably still be alive right now. Of course, it means the CIA annex would've been hit, which would still cast blame on Obama.

Perhaps the CIA should be glad they did not lose the annex and the terrorists did not attack them. I can't imagine what documents would've fallen into the hands of the enemy if they were hit with ~150-200 guys with small arms, RPGs and mortar support.


Musson November 13, 2012 at 3:52 pm

The latest is that the station was a CIA holding facility for prisoners. The 'Safe Room' was a jail.


blight_ November 13, 2012 at 4:32 pm

And so by not repelling the Al Qaeda attack in a timely fashion, the CIA facility was put at risk; therefore it is Obama's fault.

Now that you think about it…what if the AQ guys thought that the state department facility was the jail? It wouldn't be the first time people dropped in on the wrong building…


blight_ November 13, 2012 at 2:50 pm

And yes, let's get Benghazi over with.

The fact that the HIC and SIC are run by different parties…what'll be fun is if the conclusions are totally different!

Let the popcorn-eating begin


Mastro November 13, 2012 at 2:38 pm

30,000 emails?? If the FBI didn't investigate Comcast, etc might–for them hogging the internet.


Lance November 13, 2012 at 3:33 pm

Wow this woman gets around. When dose Obama admit he ''knew her'' LOL be great if that happened.

Seems the social pool in the Pentagon is smaller than most suspect.


octopusmagnificens November 13, 2012 at 3:33 pm

What about private life?


Ron November 13, 2012 at 6:50 pm

No private life in the military


tmb2 November 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm

Especially as the keeper of the nation's secrets.


Musson November 13, 2012 at 3:54 pm

At lease he was smart enough not to get mixed up with one of those female astronauts! They are the real crazy ex-girlfriends.


Norman99 November 13, 2012 at 3:59 pm

I cant get an email restored I deleted a week ago. Yet the FBI can go back years and retrieve emails. Now what in the hell is going on. But on the bright side Patreeus will be subpoenaed by congrees on the Benghazi tragedy. Looks like the whole thing backfired on whoever came up with this. Should make for some interesting reading in the up coming weeks and months. One more thing. If these Generals are that stupid to leave a paper trail makes you wonder what they are doing to earn their pay.


blight_ November 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm

Chances are that your email provider has snapshots on tape drive..somewhere; but is unlikely to dig it out for a silly customer…just the guys with a warrant.


Tad November 13, 2012 at 4:29 pm

Next we'll hear that President Clinton says he's "just friends" with the two ladies.


Pat November 13, 2012 at 4:42 pm

How does one generate 30,000 pages of emails? You'd get carpal tunnel syndrome doing that. I've work at my job for 18 years and have never generated anywhere close to that amount.


blight_ November 13, 2012 at 4:49 pm

If they were exchanging chapters and manuscripts over email instead of using attachments of word files, I would expect it to balloon quite rapidly!

But 30k is quite a bit…would require a lot of back and forth, and I'm sure Petraeus used Word attachments. Alternatively, they may be downloading and printing attachments if any to include in the Total Correspondence.


ForrestCantrell November 13, 2012 at 5:53 pm

Let's see: 2 years (730 days) to write 30,000 pages? That's 41 pages per day, every day! I ain't buying it. When would you have time to sleep, much less manage a war?


sam November 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm

Pages as in, a page, a line of test on the page. = one email. not a whole page of writing per email. so thats 41 emails for day, and if its a convo like people text, but via email it could be pretty easy. infact knowing tech noobs to people well versed in social media, a message on fb chat goes into your fb message. so if you convo 41 separate lines it could come up as 41 messages received. thats 41 sep windows/pages if you want to word it incorrectly. That is the more logical answer, IMO. :) (i hope that makes sense)


cpauld November 13, 2012 at 8:05 pm

Let's divide that by 2 and we get 20.5 messages per correspondent per day, seven days a week for 24 months! It's still more than the average adult male/female can sustain not including all their their correspondence. Sounds a lot like 'Horse Hockey" as one old Colonel used to say!

Tiger November 13, 2012 at 9:39 pm

Now if he only spent more time on the War instead of his email……..


David M November 15, 2012 at 3:56 pm

Maybe they just kept replying to each other where it quotes the previous email. So after 10 messages the next message will be 10 pages long, then 11 pages, then 12 pages etc.

Like getting an email from your grandma titled "re:re:re:re:re:re:re: Check this out!"


Tribulationtime November 13, 2012 at 4:51 pm

it seems weird all that FBI attention for sex matters…..I suppose nobody would reckonise what…..someone is linked with counterfait parts from China. I mean it is better to shawllow by public opinion than say : This is the security breach and this plan, this weapon system and this encryptation code is useless. i think so. CIA – Lebanon- Hezbollah-Israel-Syria-Iran….. too much frightening to think about.


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm

If we let things like pillow talk lead to other nefarious actions we have failed to learn from history. Sex has corrupted and compromised many historical public figures and helped in the eventual downfall of ancient civilizations. Greece, Rome, Assyria, Egypt. The FBI was right in investigating this. What if (unlikely) Kelly had turned out to be a deep cover agent trying to turn the top CIA official and the top Afghanistan General? Those are 2 heavy hitters and would be a perfect addition to the intelligence assets of a potentially hostile foreign country. They don't have to be the Russians. Hell China would love this, even some f our allies would. Think of the British Govt in the 60s and 70s with quasi CIA and State Department hooks in the then British PM. It doesn't have to be military intelligence gained, there are huge benefits economically from knowing trends and future developments. Billions and ultimately trillions of dollars can be made with an ear to the ground or a wall-flower in the right places.


Kim November 13, 2012 at 5:10 pm

From a NY Times article on the subject:

“There should be an investigation not of the personal behavior of General Petraeus and General Allen but of what surveillance powers the F.B.I. used to look into their private lives,” Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said in an interview. “This is a textbook example of the blurring of lines between the private and the public.”


tmb2 November 13, 2012 at 5:54 pm

Hence the FBI agent who started it all being removed from the case. It appears that this all started because he did it as a personal favor for Mrs. Kelley. That being said, the director of the CIA having an affair is a matter of national security because it could place him in a compromising situation. Considering what Mr. Petraeus and GEN Allen do for a living, their personal lives better be clean.

From what's been reported so far, it appears the FBI at least went and got a warrant for all that personal correspondance.


Kim November 14, 2012 at 12:18 pm

I have no doubt that here the FBI acted within the law. My point (in quoting the ACLU director) is that the privacy of individuals – top dogs like Petraeus & Allen included – is being eroded to a woorying extent.

Then again I'm European, where politicians' private lives and morals (or lack thereof) rarely are judged or scrutinized the way they are in the US.


tmb2 November 14, 2012 at 1:04 pm

If I remember the timeline correctly, this wasn't public knowledge until Petraeus resigned. After that, it's an open door. And we Americans love to read about drama.


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm

Privacy? The top CIA official and the top Marine General? What privacy? They are in positions of extreme power that can affect how foreign governments operate and corporations get inside information. These are not private figures. I am against the FBI intrusions into Joe Every-day's life and emails but this is a completely different mater, You are arguing on the wrong topic. The top military and intelligence figures lives are public and should always be so. If they want lives then become a college professor or sit on a fortune 500 board of directors not such sensitive positions. Far from their privacy being invaded, they should be invading it further. You keep saying that the privacy of individuals is being eroded, yes I agree this has to stop for our country was founded on ideas of private lives being sacrosanct but this is far from that ideal. I am sure even the founding fathers knew they had no private lives while in office, nor should they. The office is not a 9-5 job for them it is a 24/7 and they should act like it is. Not like teenagers.


ms6 November 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm

Lebanese spy!!!!!


Chris November 13, 2012 at 5:26 pm

The plot thickens and the BS rises.


Marcellus Hambrick November 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm

Why are military and CIA held to higher standards than President Clinton was? Just wondering.


james gumb November 14, 2012 at 12:05 pm

If you don't know, then it really doesn't matter, does it?


Chris November 13, 2012 at 6:05 pm

BTW, first generation American from Lebanon, and hanging out at CENTCOM. Which has area responsibility for SWA. This will make one hell of a movie script. Lots of people with stars had their heads up their 4th Point of Contact.


brian November 13, 2012 at 11:01 pm

hell look at the huma chick who is the deputy sec of state. her ENTIRE family are known members of the muslim brotherhood.


blight_ November 14, 2012 at 11:25 am

"hell look at the huma chick who is the deputy sec of state. "

"The Deputy Secretary, William J. Burns…"

Edit: Do you mean

Who is a staffer working for Hillary?

Amusingly, Huma was born in the US (fake birth certificate?) to a Pakistani Muslim mother and an Indian Muslim father.

And for full disclosure about Huma, a note from Bachmann asking for an investigation of a Muslim Brotherhood link


Dash Riprock November 14, 2012 at 12:07 pm

Americans ARE getting stupider. "Stupider", is that a word? If not, it oughta be!


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 7:21 pm

Theres nothing outwardly sinister about the muslim brotherhood, it is national entities that rule them that can be.


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 2:51 pm

I agree Chris, this is so much like a movie script and these "teenagers" should be acting like adults in positions of great power. Their lives are not private as some would argue. There is no what happens in Vegas with the Director of the CIA, or the top General of the Marines. If they want private life, quit and live a quiet life out of the public's eye. No one in such power should be out of sight even in their "private life". They work for us so they should act like it. I would not expect privacy if I was either of them or the President so why should anyone else think they should be able to carry on like teenagers. What if like you insinuate or remarked upon the possibility that Kelly is a spy for a foreign intelligence service. It doesn't have to be Lebanon just because she is Lebanese. Privacy Advocates, you are on the wrong forum. If they were private individuals Id be right beside you but they are NOT!!!


blight_ November 14, 2012 at 6:12 pm

Even the "best" American leaks to the Soviet Union weren't avowed communists: they were simply greedy, in debt, or bored counterespionage guys (grr Hansen).


Marcellus Hambrick November 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm

What next? An Iranian in the US involved with a US general or admiral? A Venezuelan?


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 3:03 pm

So true. I do not think many of the pro-privacy posters realize the importance of this issue. They would cry bloody murder if one gave out secrets but all is fine until then, as if they want to have blinders on.


Marcellus Hambrick November 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm

What next? An Iranian in the US involved with a US general or admiral? A Venezuelan? Huh?


cpauld November 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm

UCMJ Article 134 covers adultery. The third condition is what I refer to as the General Officer Escape Clause!


Roy Smith November 14, 2012 at 3:02 am

I don’t know if it has been mentioned here,but Jill Kelley also has a twin sister who is involved with this scandal.

“David Petraeus affair: Florida twins courted generals and racked up millions in debt”


blight_ November 14, 2012 at 11:24 am

Smart gals.


Tical65 November 14, 2012 at 8:57 am

Since i keep seeing Benghazi brought up, correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the Ambassador to a mission or embassy ultimately in charge of the security? Do not he or she decide the level of security they want or will allow at a embassy or consulate?


blight_ November 14, 2012 at 11:24 am

The thing is the ambassador wasn't at the embassy in Tripoli, but at a minor consulate in Benghazi, allegedly before opening a hospital or somesuch the next day. He took a tiny security detail with him on 9/11 of all days.

As others have mentioned, he probably wanted a small footprint to hide, and not a large footprint to dig in and defend.

I wonder if the AQ guys deliberately wanted to get the ambassador or not. It is possible they saw an HVT with his PSD…or just saw the PSD and assumed it was related to the CIA's nearby annex.


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm

Foreign policy and threat assessments dictate the level of security. It cannot be left up to individuals for individuals can make mistakes, whereas those following policy shouldn't be able to if following it and doing their job properly.


IKnowIT November 14, 2012 at 9:38 am

Can some of you military guys clear something up for me… Why are these guys resigning (other than that they have personal ethics)? Is there some rule in the military that says they have to? I mean Clinton did the same, and he has access more than Petraeus… So what gives?


Dash Riprock November 14, 2012 at 12:11 pm

A President does not know the inner workings of the CIA, it's agents, initiatives, etc. The same goes for knowledge of the workings of the individual military services. I'll take that you really didn't know this and not label your posting as "dumb".


Russell Romick November 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm

You will take it that he didnt know? Hence why he asked maybe? I wouldn't label any question like the one he posed as dumb at all. That is why he asked. If you answer him good on ya but if you think it may be dumb then don't answer him. If you feel you have knowledge he didn't then tell him don't imply that his question may be "dumb". Sheesh almost have a superiority complex.


tmb2 November 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm

Petraeus is retired from the Army so those laws really don't apply to him anymore. The still apply for GEN Allen. Petraeus resigned for ethical reasons. It's too bad those ethics didn't prevent him from getting into trouble in the first place. It's possible the President could have eventually asked him to resign anyways. As director of the CIA he is required to not put himself in a position where he could compromise national security. If he were to stay on the job it could give the impression its okay to be the keeper of the nation's secrets and have loose morals.


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 3:17 pm

Ah but the events that happened were when he had the job so they do since they did…lol.


tmb2 November 14, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Since he is retired they would have to bring him back on active duty in order to prosecute him. It simply won't happen.


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 7:28 pm

Not true.
"U.S. military officers – even retired ones like former CIA director David Petraeus – can be brought up on charges of adultery under the Uniformed Code of Military Justice." http://nation.time.com/2012/11/13/could-petraeus-

Chris November 14, 2012 at 10:04 am

IKNOWIT- They serve at the pleasure of the President…..And its like Musical Chairs, there are only so many spots for General Officers bty the # of stars they have. No chair available, and you are out of the game…….


TrustThis. November 14, 2012 at 10:23 am

Sounds like right out of the old 1950"s edition of "Spy School". Prominent perty girl with "extra" trainng?


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 3:11 pm

Yes it does, which begs the question….did neither of these men see that? If not they should not have been promoted or picked for the jobs they had. But most of us men can be led around by our short hairs so what is new.


shotbag November 14, 2012 at 10:34 am

This is a low grade nonconsequial scandel of no importance that occurs everyday in congress,being sensationalized by a obama control leftist news media, to cover up his & his administration's(h clinton) complicity, incompitent,& criminal behavior in the mega Libyan disaster.


ltfunk4 November 14, 2012 at 12:05 pm

Petraeus betrayed his country in two wars to further his carreer and personal image, little wonder that he betrayed his family too to ensure his hagiography said his shit smelled sweet.


Curious November 14, 2012 at 12:24 pm

Maybe, I am "old school" but why do a bunch of generals need a socialite to handle social events for the military? Shouldn't they be off fighting a war instead of playing house?


susan heyward November 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm

AMEN! I have little respect for "social climbers."sheyward39.


tmb2 November 14, 2012 at 1:29 pm

She did events for the Wounded Warrior Program. GEN Allen and then-GEN Petraeus were the commanders for CENTCOM which is based at Macdill AFB, FL where the events took place so they had some contact with her. Holly Petraeus has spent the last decade doing financial counseling for soldiers and currently holds a senior position with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau which puts her in contact with a lot of junior soldiers and their families and by extension many social events on the base.


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 7:31 pm

They were thinking with their "little head". No surprise there, eaders have been caught in compromising postions for a few thousand years. Sex is sex.


ELDERLYREPTILE November 14, 2012 at 12:30 pm

BOX SCORE (involving branches of the service):
1. The Air Force, sex related scandals
2. The Navy, a little of everything
3. The Army, security and sex scandals
4. "The Corps", pending…jury still out
Leave us not forget: The higher up the food-chain one climbs the more vulnerable to scandal one becomes. Computers ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND!


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 7:33 pm

"2. The Navy, a little of everything"
Umm I think "Tailhook" is more than a little of everything. It is scandal served on the good china.


Robert Fritts November 18, 2012 at 8:57 pm

Great post. To think the head of our CIA thought his private email was private, thats a hoot!


Liam November 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm

…the plot thickens…looks like this is gonna get REAL serious….the sh*t filter has been full for a long time! time to clean up!!


jrexilius November 14, 2012 at 1:33 pm

Sorry, how the fuck is this tech related news other than it being emails? Seriously, "sex scandals" are not news.


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 7:35 pm

Umm this is everything that affects the military, intelligence…which can affect procurement, industry etc. Not just star wars lasers.


erik November 14, 2012 at 1:38 pm

JM shock and awe erok60@netzero.net uganda 142 12 at home.


Menzie November 15, 2012 at 5:24 pm

Is this some kind of Ugandan secret police code hidden for operatives abroad?


blight_ November 15, 2012 at 5:28 pm

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broderick November 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm

While we're talking about extramarital affairs – how about Obama & Reggie Love and several other "close assistants" "body men" or whatever you want to call them. If you think rival heterosexual lovers can be vindictive, you ain't seen nothin' yet. When homosexuals get vindictive, now that's really interesting.


blight_ November 14, 2012 at 2:34 pm

With that logic, you will assume Bush Jr and Lance Armstrong are more than just MTB "ride buddies"…

1) What do you have against homosexuals?

2) What makes you think Obama is one? Is it because he plays basketball with other men?


broderick November 14, 2012 at 3:44 pm

No, it's because no other presidents have needed their own "body man", one with a history of teabagging, no less. If you had been paying attention you would know it's no secret in Chicago or Hawaii for that matter. The problem is a spurned lover can be a security risk. Nothing against homosexuals – they are fabulous party planners and interior decorators, activities usually associated with females.


blight_ November 14, 2012 at 5:04 pm


I heard that they do it in Kenya and Indonesia


david November 14, 2012 at 3:15 pm

Just another case showing that a vagina can bring down even the most powerful of men. And people say men run this country. LOL!


blight_ November 14, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Cryptome just pushed a list of Army Ball attendees:

First people on the list are the Allens (John & Kathy). #90 (89th on the list) is Scott and Jill Kelley, affiliated as Civic Leader, but with a Corporate Affiliation.

Sadly, Petraeus did not attend. Perhaps he was working…


tmb2 November 14, 2012 at 5:35 pm

He was still in command in Afghanistan. Not sure of your point?


blight_ November 14, 2012 at 6:10 pm

Good point. The Army Ball was June 2011 and he left in July.

A good time was had by all. Time to microwave more popcorn.


John Moore November 14, 2012 at 4:10 pm

Who cares frig move on how about some real news?


Menzie November 14, 2012 at 7:36 pm

Move yourself to another article. This is interesting shit.


Meatpopsicle November 14, 2012 at 4:20 pm

Well I bang her


peter November 14, 2012 at 8:45 pm

The reason why American men are so vulnerable to female is because prostitution is illegal in the US. If it was legal like it is in most countries men could "get it" whenever they wanted and females would have much less power to manipulate a man. But since most men in America haven't really been men in 50+ years they let women make prostitution illegal and now they pay the price.
We here in Eastern Europe laugh at how neutered the American male has become.


Menzie November 15, 2012 at 5:26 pm

Oh I dunno, myself I would think a cute biographer who has an interest in keeping quiet would have been safer than a whore. Just sayin.


Femtobeam November 14, 2012 at 10:21 pm

The backwards policy of the FBI to treat financial problems as a security risk does not make any sense. If a person were apt to be bribed, they would have money. If the bar is not being able to make payments on a multi-million commercial property, which probably lost half it's net worth with the real estate stock market crash during the Bush administration, then everyone is a "security risk". The reports in the media state that the compound was under CIA control. Petraeus was a Rumsfeld man. Sec. Panetta ordered an Inspector General investigation. Broadwell was in Denver talking at a conference about Benghazi. I agree with Bob Baer on CNN that there is more to it than just a "scandal". Kelly was asking for help because she was being harassed, and the computer forensics have proven this to be true. Now, the focus is on the victims financials and her events in support of Veterans? This diversionary tactic will clearly not work this time. We can see the FBI raiding Broadwells' house on TV.


tmb2 November 15, 2012 at 2:58 am

"The backwards policy of the FBI to treat financial problems as a security risk does not make any sense."

Actually that's the policy of the entire DoD/law enforcement/intelligence community. If you're up to your eyeballs in debt and applying for a security clearance, you're not going to get it since the most common denominator in committing treason is money. I've had soldiers lose their clearances because they couldn't manage their finances years after being granted a clearance.

That being said, that particular concern makes no sense being applied to Kelley. If GEN Petraeus was having money problems then it would be important.


So? November 14, 2012 at 10:30 pm

There is no way they'll use this as a plot for a porn film. No way. An alpha-male in uniform and his hawt biographer. A doctor, his horny wife and her identical twin sister. No freaking way.


Sean November 15, 2012 at 3:52 am

Defence Tech?!!!!!!!!! Really, What the heck is this. Nothing to do with defence tech thats for sure. Extramarital affairs of politicians, really? This is supposed to be a defence technical news source not a soap opera tell all scandal tabloid. I am disgusted.


Menzie November 15, 2012 at 5:49 pm

Technical also refers to the process of the Military and Intelligence not just the gadgets. If you are looking for gadgets go to gizmodo.


William C. November 15, 2012 at 6:51 am

How often did crap like this occur back in the '80s? We let everybody get away with way too much. Generals busy themselves playing politician to advance their careers as this is more valued than merit. Meanwhile the Democrats champion the DADT repeal and other "reforms" that will only open up the gates to more scandal, quotas, and similar nonsense that degrades the overall quality of our military?

We need to start choosing our leaders based on merit again.


blight_ November 15, 2012 at 11:26 am

There's plenty of stuff on militarycorruption.com that has nothing to do with gay people.

As for merit, it's a pity that the leaders of today are no longer skilled at picking the next generation of talent in the ranks of their juniors: it seems to be pick-your-friends and pick-that-cool-dude from here on out…


William C. November 16, 2012 at 6:38 am

I'm not saying the two are related. But the new policy is more nonsense that isn't needed. More fuel on the fire.


Taylor November 15, 2012 at 8:37 am

Another story I saw suggested that Petraus was blackmailed by the Obama administration to say that the Benghazi incident was a popular protest due to the movie instead of what it really was. Now that Obama is reelected, Petraus is gone.


blight_ November 15, 2012 at 11:23 am

If it were true then Obama expended his leverage on Petraeus and frees him to say the truth. I can't imagine what other leverage he would have on Petraeus.


Menzie November 15, 2012 at 5:50 pm

Let me guess the information was released by the Republicans.


dubweiser101 November 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm

We all have to get our rocks off some time, some where. As long as it doesn't threaten national security it's no ones business who or what officials fuck or don't.


Hunter76 November 18, 2012 at 6:20 am

Casualties of war.

We lost two generals in a bitch fight.


marc27 November 18, 2012 at 1:02 pm

she must be good in bed


Vitor November 18, 2012 at 8:55 pm

So a dude with a powerful job has a lover…what is really the issue?


ripthesystem November 19, 2012 at 6:48 pm

Hey, you guys are missing the point. The Generals and biographer all had excellent credit. They were the ones violating the rules. Who cares what the socialites credit score was!!!!!!!! Just goes to show you how futile a credit report is in a top secret clearance background check.


blight_ November 19, 2012 at 7:13 pm

In the old days the threat was espionage due to poverty. Assessing finances would only get you one kind of leaker, but not the ones that fall for honeytraps.


Armando P Diaz November 25, 2012 at 3:50 am

I do not hear McCain screaming fire on this one. There has to be a benefit to him otherwise he would be placing his face on the news seeking attention.


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tmb2 November 14, 2012 at 7:57 pm

I never said he couldn't be. I said he would have to be brought back on active duty for him to be charged and I don't think the Army is going to go through the trouble.


blight_ November 15, 2012 at 11:28 am

"if a person is being paid by their own Government, they do not need money from other sources. "

Depends on how much they're being paid. A lot of moles were analysts, who made money but not enough to cover insane gambling debts.

Hansen was pretty well off…but he was an insane outlier, both because he had no fiduciary or ideological motive, was also in counter-espionage and stayed at it for so long.


Menzie November 15, 2012 at 5:21 pm

Okay I agree, they could but most likely won't. :)


Femtobeam November 15, 2012 at 9:21 pm

By your logic then the entire US Government is a security risk because they are trillions of dollars in debt.

For your education, here is the petition to sign for the rights of Military women:

You did not try very hard not to engage in personal attacks and you will not draw me into a useless argument over OTHER sources. Do your own research.


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