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China Debuts Homegrown C-17 Clone

by Ward Carroll on January 28, 2013

The Chinese Air Force launched the Y-20 for the first time on Saturday (as reported by AFP), an event the Chinese government press heralded as “a significant milestone” that would “enhance … global power projection.”

The Y-20 looks a lot like the Boeing-built C-17 used by the U.S. Air Force, but critics say it falls short of the Globemaster III’s performance in a number of respects.   Andrei Chang, editor-in-chief of the Canadian-based Kanwa Defense Review, said that the Y-20 was technologically inferior to other military transport planes.  True figures for the Y-20’s maximum load and flying range were likely to be lower than those cited in state media due to the plane’s reliance on a “very old” Russian-designed engine.

“(The engine’s) oil consumption is very bad, it wastes a lot of fuel,” he said, pointing out that because of noise some developed countries have banned aircraft using it from landing, threatening its potential appearance at European air shows.  (And that reality wouldn’t help it’s foreign military sales effort or international reputation.)

Chang also noted that the C-17’s long-range performance is possible because of the airplane’s composite materials, the manufacture of which the Chinese have struggled with to date.  And the Y-20 was likely to take at least another five years to enter operational service, he added.

But the Chinese only want to talk about capabilites.  The Y-20 has a maximum payload of 66 tons, which it can carry as far as 2,700 miles, the China Daily said, and with 55 tons on board it could fly from western China to Cairo.

It is big enough to hold the heaviest tank used by China’s army, the paper added, quoting a military expert as saying that “the heavy air freighters will ensure that we are able to safeguard our interests overseas.”

The Y-20 also allows the Chinese to end their dependence on Russian-made Il-76s for their transport needs.

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Dfens January 28, 2013 at 8:50 am

Good thing our "capitalist" way of designing airplanes is so superior to their stupid old socialist way of designing them. Otherwise it would take us 30 years to come up with a new cargo plane and they'd be popping them out every few years. Well, unless we made the fatal mistake of putting all of our "capitalist" incentives in place such that they encouraged the contractors to drag out the design, then it might take us 30 years or more. I mean, hell, capitalism works either way, right? Of course, we'd never be so stupid as to pay a "for profit" company more to screw us, would we? We'd never be so stupid as to put all of the risk for a new airplane design on the US taxpayer and pay a defense contractor more to screw the US taxpayer than we pay them if they come in with a good, working design on time and on budget. No, we'd never be that stupid.

RationalRob January 28, 2013 at 8:59 am

Loving the negativity that persists on this site, where's the educated constructive criticism, sick garbage like what this guy just posted.

Dfens January 28, 2013 at 9:27 am

Oh, so sorry. Was I off script? I meant to say, "they suck". "All they can do is copy us and their version of the C-17 doesn't even have winglets." "Boo hiss!" "We're #1, baby." There, all our problems are fixed. No need to worry your little head over the Chinese now, is there?

jumper January 28, 2013 at 9:37 am

No… it's just your nonsensical rant on the capitalist system somehow being responsible for a design and approval process controlled entirely by the government is somewhat laughable, and shows a fundamental lack of understanding. A free market economy has no oversight, that's the job of the elected government. The fact that they're incompetent has nothing to do with the merits of capitalism vs. communism as a base system.

blight_ January 28, 2013 at 3:31 pm

The issue is that procurement systems don't freeze a design before procurement. Sadly, it may be time to find auto industry people to work in procurement.

Are our military programs boutique Bugatti, Koenigsegg, Bentley and Rolls-Royces that we get a handful of each year? Or are they Toyotas with incremental improvements that allow a large cost-effective and reasonably technologically sophisticated force?

For perspective, the M1 was born of a failed attempt to mate too much whizbang and do it with international collaborators. After MBT-70 collapsed we got a better product that was simpler but perhaps no less dangerous.

That said, with today's procurement system we would've thrown money at DIVAD until it worked, but how much money would it have taken?

jake February 8, 2013 at 12:01 pm

ShadowHawk52 January 28, 2013 at 3:11 pm

Dfens if your going to write garbage like what you did above…… at least be funny and clever about it. We can at least respect humor even if we disagree with your views but you didn't even do that!

swisshornet January 28, 2013 at 8:08 pm

one of the primary tells is the compulsion to put capitalist and for-profit in quotations for emphasis. The stupid old socialist way? What would that be? Hah! The contemporary Chinese way of successfully obtaining pieces of key information/technology by hook or by crook, and demonstrating capability of innovation through imitation, at cost (i.e. engines, etc.).

wpnexp January 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm

If the Chinese, copying our designs poorly for many years after we developed our systems, is an example of how communism is superior and how capitalism is inferior, you are strangely and horribly wrong. Do you suppose people working on things for free is the way to come up with great inventions, then go for it and produce some yourself. I will contently sit back and watch you starve as you put out pathetic products that no one will be interested in. When was the last time you built a C-17 for free anyway?

Matt January 28, 2013 at 5:43 pm

The military/industrial complex is not capitalism. Please don't tarnish capitalism with anything that has to do with "government".

Dfens January 28, 2013 at 10:45 pm

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Chris January 28, 2013 at 10:43 pm

Mike January 31, 2013 at 2:50 am

What… You mean that Boeing hasn't put factories in China like the rest of the US companies to build their commercial and military aircraft????? If it looks like a C17 then……..

Bruce February 1, 2013 at 5:36 pm

the F-35 began in the eighties and it still not the replacement for the F-16. I may be that we never stop inventing interferes with get Er Done The Chinese are not innovators
They are renovators and they use what they got .The military defense industry took a huge hit in the nineties and It will likely take another in the next few months only then will we see a reduction in Government supported industries in the U.S All the While the U.S loses jobs and talent from shuttered military industrial industries.
New aircraft lead technology, that is why Brazil and China develop there own home Aviation industries .

boogieman February 2, 2013 at 4:05 pm

What part of 'go fuck yourself' don't you understand, you smart-ass maggot?

whatever February 3, 2013 at 9:08 pm

come on, no need to get nasty.

this is a forum; differences in opinion are to be expected.

just present your arguments.

jake February 8, 2013 at 12:05 pm

Jon February 3, 2013 at 2:23 pm

I too thought, "why is this guy attacking capitalism?" <shakes head>

Guy December 26, 2013 at 5:02 pm

Boeing is filled with Chinese engineers they don't like interact with rest of us this only shows they are also spy's. So they work hard and cheap but this is just a false economy. Why they hire guy who read chinese news papers and have only Chinese friends and relatives is ridiculous. I am not condoning racism but don't let them work on military hardware.

IFB January 28, 2013 at 9:17 am

Wing box completely different, fuselage more slender and it uses low bypass turbofans. But call it what you want.

redordead January 28, 2013 at 9:30 am

"The Y-20 looks a lot like the Boeing-built C-17"

it also looks a lot like the Airbus a400 (without the props). what do you expect from a military cargo plane?

Jayson January 28, 2013 at 10:30 am

Good first step to being able to participate internationally in roles. It's small scale but it's something. It won't compete with Western capabilities but maybe now we can bring them into the fold of operations at some capacity.

Belesari January 28, 2013 at 9:23 pm

Like what? Its the chinese they are the ones who arm all our enemies either directly or indirectly.

cs4 January 28, 2013 at 11:00 pm

Wrong. It seems that you are the ones arming your own enemies. Remember Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan?

Nicky January 28, 2013 at 10:43 am

It's a start, but they are nowhere near the Level of the USAF. They don't have anything near the C-5M or the C-17

Mat January 28, 2013 at 12:16 pm

Yes that is it US rules the cargo plane scene thats probably why you need to transport something you hire a Russian or Ukrainian cargo plane operator ,most likely Antonov design buro that operates their own fleet of An124 and An225 and in spare time freelance designing planes for the chinese.

These guys know more about cargo plane design that anyone in the world.Why would anyone bother with C17 clone if they can get a better new design for less money? Cargo planes all look the same as form follows funcion.

Nicky January 28, 2013 at 2:40 pm

It's why why what the chinese have is a clone of the C-17 and a A-400M

Harry January 28, 2013 at 11:12 am

"The Y-20 looks a lot like the Boeing-built C-17" Except it's missing the C-17's cute winglets.

There's no way that the Chinese copied the C-17, you don't think that they would have missed something as important as the winglets.

Mat January 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm

As far as its known Antonov design buro codesigned the plane ,no need for anything form C17 ,just a bag of cash and ukrainians design you the plane you wan't.

Lance January 28, 2013 at 1:49 pm

BIG YAWN… So what? China's coped everything the USA Russia and Western Europe makes. No news here im waiting more on there J-31 a F-35 copy.

If China makes there own weapons with there own designs that be headlines.

Juuso January 28, 2013 at 2:52 pm

DF series missiles comes to my mind and their new assault rifles. Radars etc…

Nicky January 28, 2013 at 3:32 pm

But have you notice, the fact that the Chinese are doing a version of the C-141A Starlifter

MZUNGU January 28, 2013 at 3:40 pm

The Russian Il-76 came out in 1971, had 4 engines, high wing, T-tail, the same configuration as the C-17, which came 20 years later. By that account, C-17 itself is also a clone.

If you look at a comparison between Il-76, C-17, and Y-20, I'll say it bear more resemblance ti Il-76 than with C-17.
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/Y20_

With all due respect, please know something about aviation history, engineering, or do some basic research before you dismissing those Chinese engineers.

Belesari January 28, 2013 at 9:28 pm

Well actucally.

The C-141 had the same basic design and was introduced in 1968 and the predecessor to the C-17 was the YC-15 which was even more along the lines which first flew in 1975 so….in reality form may follow function but only a fool ignores the advances made by his adversaries when he can steal them for himself.

Tim January 29, 2013 at 10:58 am

The C-141 came out in the early-mid 1960s, had 4 engines, high wing, T-tail, the same configuration as the Il-76, which came out 6-10 years later. By that account, the Il-76 itself is also a clone.

Belesari January 29, 2013 at 4:45 pm

Hey just because they blatantly copied our bombers, fighters, and other things for years doesnt mean they didnt just happen to do it! It was natural.

Like i said before why spend the billions on R&D when you can just use what the US pays for and steal it. Most of the planet does that.

Mark S. Bauman January 30, 2013 at 12:38 am

The C-141A and the C-5A both were operational before the IL-76. But if the United States keeps screwing around like they did with the irreplaceable space shuttle that should never have been mothballed, we might find ourselves sucking wind.

k.parks January 28, 2013 at 4:48 pm

Thats simple,Clinton gave them our computer tech. info when he was in office.

Prodozul January 28, 2013 at 5:35 pm

Try cruise missiles, and nuclear weapons

blight_ January 30, 2013 at 1:02 pm

W-88 was allegedly stolen, or stolen by a Taiwanese engineer, either working for Taiwan or the PRC. Oh Wen-Ho Lee, why did you do it?

And Loralgate was Loral being stupid…

aiueo January 28, 2013 at 11:26 pm

clinton only pay personal debt financial support from china to become president of usa with computer, hilary clinton personal revenge only because blame her husband had sold the computer to china, it had been the reason why the clinton pushed firmly to the philipine, vietnam japan (former enemy) dared to claim the island belongs to china, for goal hold up the progress and success of china so advanced industrial countries, so Americans want bully china, making the danger of war in the serene and peaceful asia before, philipine, vietnam and japan in the American made ​​tools for bully china, american need political plan to divide asia country united , so that the asian nation can not advance not united and always under the control of the american skin white

alrmfxr January 29, 2013 at 10:51 pm

What?!?!?!

PolicyWonk January 29, 2013 at 10:40 am

Whatever Clinton did pales drastically when compared to the antics of George W Bush's administration. Go and read Pat Buchanan's many editorials from 2002-2008 regarding Bush policy to China – it makes Clinton look like a choir boy:

- Trillions of dollars of debt (to a communist dictatorship! – Reagan must be rolling over in his grave) after inheriting an $800B annual surplus.
- The migration of millions of high-paying jobs, the manufacturing base, and the tax base with it.
- The horrifying give-away of many thousands of dual-use technologies and manufacturing techniques, now fueling China's massive military build up
- All this, while/after being warned about the highly negative experience of the Russians doing business with the Chinese.

And as if that wasn't enough – after we suffered the worst foreign policy disaster in US history resulting from the invasion of Iraq (let alone borrowing the money form China), the 400+ dead, the 40k+ wounded (not counting 100's of thousand Iraqis): China got all the big oil deals from what was supposed to be a "grateful" Iraqi nation.

You'll have to try again.

blight_ January 30, 2013 at 1:04 pm

And in Reagan's time we commenced the Great Borrowing from Japan, the world's banker before the People's Republic.

As for points three and four…yup. For point three, nobody told Stanley to make screwdrivers in China. Start with the small stuff, next thing you know everything else is made in the PRC.

Flash Gordon January 28, 2013 at 8:49 pm

Why not just buy commercially available CFM 56 engines? The most reliable and best selling turbofan engine in the world, no one would stop them and they have modern and efficient engines, buy spares if required and you could always get them from there fleet of 737s, A320s, etc…

Joseph Tan April 17, 2013 at 11:18 am

Kevin January 28, 2013 at 9:30 pm

Actually, because of defense contracts (within a country or, as in Europe, the EEC) export rules would prevent export of "critical" defense technology. Not sure if the CFM 56 engine you write of would qualify in that respect, but things such as aircraft defensive systems would.

Flash Gordon January 28, 2013 at 11:01 pm

True but they probably could get the engines and thus enhance the range/payload… the most critical elements of a mobility aircraft…

hikerguy January 28, 2013 at 10:35 pm

The Chinese have the money now to buy the services of Russian aircraft designers as well as others to help in the developement of military projects. Despite what short comings the aircraft has as compared to western designs, I am sure the plane will meet the needs of the PLA air force just fine.
Thing is, what are we doing to update current designs and develop new ones?

cosmo January 28, 2013 at 11:45 pm

It suprise me to see DT's comment on the Y-20 "The Y-20 looks a lot like the Boeing-built C-17". If anything it looks more like Il-76 and to call it a clone? DT do some research before commenting on the Y-20. The plane was developed with Ukrainian Antonov Aeronautical Scientific/Technical Complex, the major research and development institute has provided much needed assistance in the development of Y-20 transport.

Frank January 29, 2013 at 1:25 am

Money makes the world go around and I can see U.S. dollar signs all over the development and production of this airplane. It is important to know that American business ventures in China made this possible while receiving tax breaks. You cannot be an American if you give aide and comfort to a country that supports Communism. What makes Business such an important part of the sales pitch to end the recession when it is only lining its pockets and hiding money at the average taxpayers expense?

Friend of Col. David Hackworth

Dfens January 29, 2013 at 7:55 am

If we ended all trade with China today, we would stem a $300 billion loss to our economy. $300 billion would buy a lot of jobs right here in the US of A, and it wouldn't involve borrowing. It is $300 billion our economy is hemorrhaging right now.

blight_ January 30, 2013 at 1:07 pm

Prices of product would go up, but on the back end of those prices are American jobs.

Maybe our capitalist overlords will use prison labor to bring prices down?
http://www.unicor.gov/

Valbonne January 29, 2013 at 2:58 am

Chinese Y20 is an improvement of II-76, why? Because the Chinese are using Russian equipment and it is natural for them to copy the equipment they are using. American has ban all advance technology to China for 30 years and they cannot get any sample of these advance products. How can they copy from America stock & barrel? Copy from Russian, yes but copy from America, no.

Danny Walsh January 29, 2013 at 1:22 pm

Valbonne January 30, 2013 at 12:11 am

It seems that every man with a moustache along the street looks like your own father if your father has a moustache.
Likewise, every aircraft look similar is a C-17 clone to you. But, you have not seen what type of technology used by the Chinese inside the airplane. Be rational.

Thomas L. Nielsen January 30, 2013 at 2:22 am

"They hacked into Facebook twice and got a host of secrets from 27 of our fortune 500 co".

Keeping secrets on Facebook? I think I see the problem….

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

blight_ January 30, 2013 at 1:01 pm

Hah, Facebook.

KEVIN MCCUNE January 29, 2013 at 6:30 am

The Chinese can license what they want,this monster is pretty much an albatross,it might be a fine plane,but believe me its a sitting duck.I would imagine they have other uses in mind for this aircraft other then the obivious military uses-KMCCUNE

FtD January 29, 2013 at 6:31 am

you people sound like those from Cupertino the fruit company, it's as if you own a patent on all cargo plane designs, get a grip, every other one looks similar that's basic aerodynamic principle at work…. dah

patriot1 January 30, 2013 at 9:04 pm

Fom one who worked on the flightline for 21 years in the Air Force loading and unloading Cargo Aircraft you could not be more wrong. You do not have a clue wht your talking about. Every Cargo AIrcraft has different capabilites from the C130, C141, C17, KC10, etc. They are all not the same. You could not land a C5B on a short runway like you can a C130 which as 6 Pallet Positons.

6113 January 29, 2013 at 7:04 am
britishraj January 29, 2013 at 2:41 pm

Guest January 29, 2013 at 6:28 pm

They not only copied it, the Chinese had some inside information. China, however, still has a problem with their engine technology.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/LegalCenter/story?id=427

ONTIME February 3, 2013 at 4:13 pm

They are into making space launches and I don't think that engine prob will baffle them for long..they steal our experience and knowledge and can get there fast. Besides they have the own GE plant…

Jerrydog1001 April 22, 2013 at 11:03 am

don't you mean Russian engine tech? China, not really know for inovation.

A6-e tech January 30, 2013 at 7:55 pm

You retards just don't get it… while you guys are comparing the size of your penis heads, your federal tax refunds will be delayed because of, wait, payments that are due to China, and of course, social security payment recipients…. but don't forget, we are building $200 million dollar F-35's that can what??? Make money dissapear from any radar… wake up, not only are we screwed, but our kids too…. thanks congress…

patriot1 January 30, 2013 at 9:00 pm

China needs these Cargo Planes to fly more manufactured Products back to the US from all the jobs we sent overseas.

D Gannon January 30, 2013 at 9:05 pm

Like Donald Sutherland said " very pretty Col., but can they fight"

Tiger January 30, 2013 at 10:14 pm

P-38 January 30, 2013 at 11:31 pm

It's developed mass troop movement capabilities…Red Dawn will be in 3D…like a pimp and his money…. Hence, where's ma money Female dog! You get my drift?

vrns January 31, 2013 at 3:24 am

again… more like An-based, then C-17.

Baduyo January 31, 2013 at 3:26 am

Never surprises me that some are so narrow minded to not see reality. Why would ghe chinese have to develop a new cargo plane when they can walk onto any airport in china and copy any of their bought airliners. They have one of the most modern uptodate fleets anywhere in the world.

cs4 January 31, 2013 at 3:37 am

And how many of those airliners can carry a 60+ ton tank?

Phono January 31, 2013 at 4:02 pm

I do love the design of the Il-76

Baduyo February 1, 2013 at 10:51 am

Just how many of you have actually been to china and spent any time there; I have and lived there; They can buy anything they want from the world; As one mentioned, large engines are not a problem; They have one of the most up to date fleets of Commercial Airliners and Cargo Planes that I have ever flown on in the world. They can buy any engines they need; One must be stupid or have one's head in the sand if they think that china is a real threat to the world "military"; Why would they want to destroy their own countries growth with such a stupid move; The only threat they are in the world is that they are buying everything away from the rest of the world to feed their people's growing demand for goodies. One just needs to walk down the street in any major city; go into any department store and see the world of goods being sold to the "Poor" Chinese. I was shocked when I was there as they are actually doing more for their people in the way of everything than the US. Their parks are everywhere; green zones; goods; They have one way of doing things that is very impressive; The prices of local produced goods are lower than the cost of imported goods; Driving the local economic growth of the country; Not like ours driving all our work overseas; Try buying a US made car in China; A lot higher as any local made car; So the (Non- Rich) will only buy the local make item. One problem that is major in china is the youth; they do not want to no longer be told what to do by the communists; they also do not want to now work the farms and live out of the big cities; Many villages are nearly empty of youth; they are all in the big cities enjoying the good life; The internet is also everywhere; Goverment; while trying; no longer has the foot on the neck of the majority; Well worth a trip; not to SHanghai or Beijing; but internal large Cities where the chinese are not as influenced by the western tourists; ie. Chongqing (small city) population of county & City about 30 million.

bill February 2, 2013 at 8:04 pm

Their spies are all up in our military network. I'm sure they'll soon be able to copy everything we have and make their own version (remember the russians during the cold war?)

ONTIME February 3, 2013 at 4:10 pm

Hell, we are so far in debt to the PRC I wouldn't be surprised if they don't make a offer to buy our entire military and a place to put it…..

Iron Mike February 4, 2013 at 8:14 pm

Chesty Puller once met Chiang Kai Chek, and told him that it didn't matter where on the Chinese mainland an invasion force landed…only that the forces should concentrate, and drive for the enemy. The one piece of advice he gave the Generalissimo was to be sure to "put to death every Communist bastard he meets". As long as America holds that maxim in mind, it won't matter how many transport aircraft China has, regardless of quality. Semper Fi.

Jerrydog1001 April 22, 2013 at 11:02 am

Well probably not the greatest airplane by any stretch, but I would say that most of China’s world interests are in undeveloped third world countries that still operate DC3s if they operate anything at all.

I am surprised they just didn’t buy a C17 and reverse engineer/copy it and then deny they reverse engineered/copied it. The biggest problem, if you want to call it that is the Chinese are very good at copying things, stealing intellectual info and just outright buying decades of advance research by purchasing every tech company that comes on the market.

Jesse August 11, 2013 at 6:52 am

Stop with the heckling! These are the same kind of comments americans have been making before Pearl Harbor! Oh the japanese only know how to copy mickey mouse watches and sh*t…

The US should be careful it will not fall victim to another surprise like what the japanese zero did to them.

be ready at all times!

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Don Juan February 11, 2014 at 7:56 pm

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LesG007 February 25, 2014 at 10:05 am

Now, who will China get to fly these crates? You don't really think they have the ability to perform a tactical or assault landing, do you?

Ha!

Ever see a Chinese NASCAR driver? Hell NO!!!

james June 3, 2014 at 9:46 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen let us come and reason together as one mind and body, as they say a one world government . I say please give respect to our fellow brothers and sister in China. Great things are to come from our brothers and sisters in the maine land . If we can only respect one an others achievements and give place to the less forchent . We have come along way from the the caveman and rolling rock. We need to set aside evil judgements, and learn to care for our fellow man. sighed Native Indian American

cozine January 28, 2013 at 10:49 am

There aren't many different ways to build a military cargo plan. Their function determines their form. To say that this is a rip off of this or that is just amateur talking. But then again, that's 99% of the world population for any specific field.

That said, the Y-20 is definitely testing with a quad of very old engines, the one used on IL-76. But that will change … eventually, just like the YF-22 did not take its maiden flight with a pair of F-119 either.

swisshornet January 28, 2013 at 8:12 pm

BO: one would suspect you would be hard-pressed to demonstrate that the C-17 is a "moderately performing product". If you meant the statement to be a broad-brush, well…..ok, but. The US has its share of acquisition/procurement/production issues to be sure, but line the equipment up with that from ROW and see how it all shakes out (in the aggregate).

Barry January 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm

Thanks for all that, Brainless Human. It's refreshing to have an objective adult around here.

Sean January 28, 2013 at 8:29 pm

The wall is not completely deaf. Your was a well written response!

dennisbuller January 28, 2013 at 9:54 pm

Most of the posts here are driven by fear.
We see that for all the money we spend we are getting fewer and fewer aircraft, ships and weapons platforms.
China does not yet seem to have the issue of entrenched political contractors….
Due to our and China's tax and import export policies more and more US companies are opening up factories there while laying off people here (see Caterpillar).
And Tiawan and Japan are really close to them and really far from us.
To top all of this off, they are not even close to being a real Republic/Democracy. It was not so long ago they were running people over with tanks…..
While I appreciate your attempt to put this one issue into greater historical and cultural context, to compare them to the European Union is a bit off.
You ask why they would start WW3. Well why did WW2 start? Anger at perceived historical injustices…
Things can spiral out of control really fast over there and bring us into a mess we want no part of….
That's why people flip out over stuff like this.

Guest January 31, 2013 at 5:15 am

Money, resources, energry demands "may" start WWIII. Unfortunately WWIII will probably be started by historical injustices and social misperceptions (with all of our technology, having lived in North America and Europe it amazes me how little we understand of each other). Just knowing another's language does not allow you to appreciate why/how another culture thinks. As you indicate BH, one country (one person) wants what ever other countries (other person) have (be it C-17s, etc). That is only natural.

Karl Thomas February 1, 2013 at 9:09 am

Awesome diatribe. Thanks for the attempt to try and educate. But yeah, you may as well bash your head against a wall. The US's biggest threat is it's own government at this point in history. The Federal Reserve with Congresses slavish help is destroying the Greenback. In the last year alone the Chinese have signed agreements with Russia, Japan, Pakistan, India, Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil, Iran, Germany and God knows who else to trade without using the US Dollar. At the same time the Chinese are dumping the 3 Trillion Dollar mountain of Greenbacks they have by buying Gold in 100 Ton lots as fast as they can. This was all preceded by the Chinese demanding that all future debt contracts with the US be drawn up in Renminbi (Yuan). Apparently the Federal Reserve can't print Yuan, yet?!? The fact of the matter is that the US invaded Iraq after Saddam Insane said he would only except Euros for his oil. Then the US invaded Libya after the Colonel said he wanted Gold for his oil. The Chinese are modernizing their military as fast as they can for defensive purposes. But they may be out of time. The Dollar is actively being destroyed. With Trillions owed to them that will only be paid back in worthless deflated paper, WAR is heavy on the horizon.

rich February 7, 2013 at 1:25 am

Well said and written. Thank you for writing this. It proves intelligence does exist.

Rob January 28, 2013 at 8:27 pm

China has all the power to do what it wants.

Much of the world in debt to it.
Fewer enemies then us.
More of its own people living across planet then any other country.
Business with more countries then us because we sanction so many.
The least culture-mixed country, which in my opinion is, its strongest value because in a divided society(as all currently are) they have the least divided.

They also seem to just be modernizing now, whereas we wasted hundreds of billions experimenting with everything for decades.

That all said, they have not made any of their plans clear. I do not see why we haven't questioned their government directly about any of this.

Belesari January 28, 2013 at 9:42 pm

Well here is your problem. Logic make no sense when compared to human behaviors. Human are higher animals. Still animals and the lust to dominate and grasp more power is natural.

China yes is capitalist but only to a point. The vast majority of all wealth in china is contributed to around 100 families. Its this way in most of the world. In a well functioning society that changes. However, however most dont function, those families control the access to said wealth. This leads to the wonderful world we have today. Africa's first female billionaire…..he father runs her country…amazing right.

Logic says the chinese wouldn't clear the sea's with fishing trawlers taking no measures to save their stocks. Logic says they would just share the sea of china and elsewhere with their neighbors and enforce this sharing. But they arent they push and prod and demand the world obey because thats how those same families have run the country for a long, long time.

That might would let them dominate every power in the region except The US, India, RoK, and Japan.

So what happens when someone forgets that wars can be horrible things? Or we regress to a weak nation like the ones in europe unable to even patrol our own shores? And if they bring Pakistan, and others? Norks into the fight?

cs4 January 28, 2013 at 11:30 pm

And so called democratic countries never, ever killed an unarmed civilian?

Anger at perceived historical injustices will push China to start WW3? How many world wars did China started anyway? If things did go out of control, US will be a part of it, guaranteed. Always wanted to be the hero, the savior of the world.

Baduyo January 31, 2013 at 3:13 am

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