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Iran F-4 confronts another U.S. Predator over Arabian Gulf

by Mike Hoffman on March 15, 2013

An Iranian fighter jet again played chicken Tuesday with a U.S. drone flying over international waters in the Arabian Gulf near Iran.

This time an Iranian F-4 flew within 16 miles of an unarmed MQ-1 Predator before two U.S. military aircraft escorted the Predator and the F-4 darted away. The Pentagon did not say what type of aircraft escorted the Predator.

In November, an Iranian fighter jet fired up on an unarmed Predator, but missed. On Tuesday, there is no report that the F-4 fired upon the Predator.

The initial report from the Pentagon stated that one of the U.S. aircraft fired a warning flare before the F-4 ended its pursuit. However, Pentagon officials later said a flare was not fired. Below is the read out the Pentagon issued to announce the confrontation:

On March 12, an unarmed, unmanned, MQ-1 U.S. military aircraft conducting a routine classified surveillance flight over international waters in the Arabian Gulf was approached by an Iranian F-4 aircraft. The closest point of approach between these aircraft was approximately 16 miles.

The MQ-1 was escorted by two U.S. military aircraft. All U.S. aircraft remained over international waters at all times.

Following the incident last November where an Iranian fighter aircraft fired upon an unarmed, unmanned MQ-1, the United States communicated to the Iranians that we will continue to conduct surveillance flights over international waters consistent with long-standing practice and our commitment to the security of the region. We also communicated that we reserve the right to protect our military assets as well as our forces and will continue to do so going forward.

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Duke March 15, 2013 at 11:57 am

F-22s I believe. The F4 pilots must've crapped their pants.

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D.W. March 15, 2013 at 12:05 pm

"Radar indicates the target is undefend… oh, wait. Oh. Oh dear."

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 9:12 am

Achmed, I need new pants when I get back….

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JamalTheBanker March 25, 2013 at 7:39 pm

Shameer, this is Achmed. We dont have any more pants for you. we'll ask Kim Jong Un if you can borrow some of theirs although they may be a bit soiled as well…

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Lance March 15, 2013 at 1:48 pm

I dont think there F-22 but Navy F-18s

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blight_ March 15, 2013 at 2:31 pm

Thought none of the F-22's were stationed in the Mideast at the moment.

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tig March 15, 2013 at 3:15 pm

False, we have several in Saudi.

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blight_ March 15, 2013 at 3:23 pm

The last news from 2012 suggested they were in UAE.

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Praetorian March 19, 2013 at 7:29 pm

Six F-22's from the 7th fighter squadron returned to Holloman AFB on January 27th fron UAE. This was the longest F-22 deployment to date. The deployment was only going to be three to four months, but was extented several times.

cdownz March 15, 2013 at 7:26 pm

Are you being serious or what? It would be amazing if this was true.

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Duke March 16, 2013 at 12:30 am

Yes, seriously, there is a detachment in Al Dhafra, UAE (circa 200 nm from Iran) as mentioned by blight. Presumably to "kick down the door" in the event of hostilities. It's about time they got to see some action.

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 2:34 am

Duke, you obviously don't know anything about your own military. The US military is known for three things in real combat: (1) their cowardice, (2) slavish worship of and reliance on sophisticated weaponry, and (3) consistent defeat or losses to opponents with inferior weaponry.

Don't mistake Hollywood movies for reality.

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ben March 16, 2013 at 7:13 am

Defeat when outnumbered 50 to 1 and under orders to hold their fire until fired upon even while the opponent surrounds them… Oh wait, they still tend complete their mission objectives even then making those Pyrrhic victories at worst. (First battle of Mogadishu for example)

No the US military is currently best known for curb-stomping anyone brave/stupid enough to pick a fight with the world's 3rd largest country. Then being ordered to stand around playing policeman, while the politicians in charge throw feces at each other, and the local criminal element starts murdering people they don't like in the name of freedom.

If they were really cowards, then why bother being nice. if there is a resource the US needs, just set up a DMZ around it and shoot trespassers. If a city is a haven for pirates or hostile militia, carpet bomb the place to rubble and salt the earth.

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Duke March 16, 2013 at 9:25 am

The US took Baghdad in about a week, whereas Iran was stalemated by Iraq for the better part of a decade.

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 12:06 pm

That shows just how little you know about the real facts of the wars.

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STemplar March 16, 2013 at 12:20 pm

Oh and out of curiosity what precisely are you looking to "restore Palestine" too anyway? British/French occupation? Ottoman Empire? Roman Empire? Certainly not the kingdom of David I'm sure. The Pharaohs?

blight_ March 16, 2013 at 12:42 pm

What real facts are there?

Iraq was propped up by support from Europe and the United States, Iran was a pariah state that the rug yanked out under their semi-modernized military.

Fast forward twenty years later, Iraq is no longer propped up by anyone, had been shredded once and was being barely held together with violence. Hitting the snake with a flip-flop instead of cutting off its head was a bad idea, but it was easy enough to do with a modern army.

Duke March 16, 2013 at 6:35 pm

I forgot to mention, the US forces moved halfway across the globe to defeat Iraq in less than a fortnight. Iran (I'm guessing you're Iranian) is right next door to Iraq and couldn't accomplish shit for a decade. Why do you think Iran will fare any better than Iraq against the US? Because the Persians were a power 5000 years ago? Well, you ain't shit now.

Gunner777 March 16, 2013 at 11:45 am

How about you go to the middle east with your friends and stay out of here!

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Infidel4LIFE March 18, 2013 at 2:11 pm

When is the last time an arab army won anything? Iran don't count, since human wave attacks went out in the 50's..now you ppl are at war with ur own, sunni and shia. I guess one will win perhaps? OR just bleed each other white. Happy trails hadji..

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Veng March 18, 2013 at 11:23 pm

LOL. No wonder with a name like "Restore Palestine." How many Farfour cartoons did you watch as a child?

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B wiggins March 18, 2013 at 9:02 am

Hard to believe that they were F22's; where would they have come from ? The F22 is a "land based aircraft".

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lemoutonzelectrique March 21, 2013 at 9:36 am

I doubt it. You want to make them crap as soon as you show on their obsolete radars incoming fast. Saves fuel on top of everything and doesn't jeopardize costly assets. It's a no brainer they were Super-Hornets if they ever flew out of a carrier also in int'l waters.

You'll want to keep the 22s for the real deal.

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Jeff M March 15, 2013 at 12:30 pm

Iran is looking more and more like Iraq circa 1990.

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DGR March 15, 2013 at 1:00 pm

Somedays I think my job is getting more and more difficult, but then I am reminded that some poor smuck over in Iran has to find parts for the F-4 and F-14s. Talk about the worlds most difficult job, id love to see how many systems on these birds still work.

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 12:32 pm

Why would Iran give a damn about the obsolete F-4 and F-14s when they can buy better jets from Russia or China? Besides, Iran has already acquired enough expertise to build their own jets. You should spend your time worrying about the F-15s back home. They are falling apart fast.

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Mike March 16, 2013 at 3:31 pm

You mean that amazing 5th Gen fighter they showed off last month? The fake one? Yep, I'm sure that's a real threat…

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DCNY81 March 16, 2013 at 8:31 pm

Because they can't afford the Russian or Chinese owned aircraft. They have a slew of F-4's and F-14's that they purchased from the U.S. decades ago just sitting / decomposing in the desert. If they could afford "new" Russian airplanes, they wouldn't have to worry about their F-4 Phantoms' literally falling apart in mid-air during an air-to-air refueling.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 1:53 am

What do you mean Iran can't afford Russian and Chinese jets. Iran is a major oil producer. If there is a barrier, it's UN sanctions and arms embargo. But there are ways to get around it.

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:17 am

If Iran is such a big oil producer, why can't it feed its people?

USS ENTERPRISE March 17, 2013 at 5:34 pm

Ah yes, the F-15s with a larger air to air victory than the Iranian Air-Force. One breaks apart, and seems like the whole fleets useless. Its funny how Iranians, who lose aircraft to F-15s, like to think and pretend their air force can take the US. Oh, and you forgot the F-22s that are ready to kick in the door. The F-15s follow up and take out the door frame.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 8:16 pm

The F-22 is more like an expensive piece of Junk, Joke, Just-for-show Jack. That's why even the far less expensive Eurofighter can take on it and win.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 9:55 pm

Far less expensive? Eurofighters are up above $100 million flyaway, F22 was 160ish, hardly far more expensive, and a fully coded F22 is far more useful than a Eurofighter. Pound for pound when you factor in the stealth factor and overwhelmingly better strike option in a F22, it is without a doubt financially a vastly better buy than a Eurofighter.

USS ENTERPRISE March 17, 2013 at 10:39 pm

Ah yes. So lets do what? Buy the Qaher 313 flying what-its? And, since you are in such a support for Russian aircraft, let me ask, do Russian aircraft happen do the pretty much useless Cobra maneuver? As for the Eurofighter, not so cutting edge anymore. Rather take an F-15E or better and F-15SE out. No denying, it is a good plane. Do bad Iran doesn't have it.

shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:13 am

Photoshopping a "stealth" aircraft does not count as being able to build their own. If Iran is so capable, why are they still flying the F4? Why haven't they obtained the more advanced fighters from their good friends? Answer: Because their good friends are just as afraid of the crazy shit Iran is pulling as the US. Iran is the villain, even Russia and China know it.

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Mark Pyruz March 15, 2013 at 1:11 pm

First of all, the previous incident involved an attack jet (Su-25), not a fighter jet. Second, the IRIAF employs U.S. trained fighter tactics. It isn't likely they'd send a single F-4 as an interceptor.

My guess is the Iranian Phantom was either an RF-4E involved in a similar mission as MQ-1, or it was an F-4E "Bushehr Sharks" on a training mission.

Really the "news" in this encounter is that MQ-1 missions in the Persian Gulf are now employing fighter escorts.

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Musson March 15, 2013 at 2:30 pm

The Iranians are probably trying to intercept the signals coming and going from the Drone. Most likely they are hoping to capture another one intact – by sending the aircraft false instructions.

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Atomic Walrus March 15, 2013 at 4:23 pm

The Iranians probably don't have any active US-trained pilots by now. The revolution was in 1979. Even an 18-year-old kid then would be 52 by now – kind of over the hill for a fighter pilot. In the meantime, they've been cut off from 35 years of advancement in the art of air warfare. The Iran-Iraq war was a bit of a weird cul-de-sac with little relevance to how the US plays the game today.

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Tiger March 18, 2013 at 8:22 am
Atomic Walrus March 18, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Going to Farnborough will teach you about as much about the practice of air warfare as going to your local Porsche dealer will teach you about driving Formula 1.

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Tiger March 20, 2013 at 6:08 am

Duke March 16, 2013 at 12:41 am

"Really the "news" in this encounter is that MQ-1 missions in the Persian Gulf are now employing fighter escorts."

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion from one murky report. Maybe the US is terrified of that idiotic fake stealth plane Iran unveiled a few weeks back. Take your bullshit back to irandefence, Pyruz.

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Xhummerusn March 15, 2013 at 1:29 pm

Wait. if every drone flight required two escort aircraft, meaning two or more human onboard, how has this helped take lives out of danger by using drones. Now we have three aircraft (and probably more, including an AWACS) on a mission that could maybe could have been conducted by one aircraft with sensors?

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ben March 16, 2013 at 7:17 am

A single pair of f-18s on CAP can guard dozens of UAVs at once. It's not like UAV missions are particularly high priority.

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:37 am

before two U.S. military aircraft escorted the Predator

I took this statement to mean that the Escort arrived in the AOE following the F-4's arrival. May have misread, or as someone mentioned, they may have been on station providing over-watch for a series of drones.

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Lance March 15, 2013 at 1:49 pm

No match a F-4 could easily shoot down a drone no questions asked. The pilot didn't have the clearance to raddled the sabre against us this time.

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Benjamin March 16, 2013 at 5:37 pm

Not as sure that it is as easy as you think it is to shoot down a drone with an F-4. The F-4's radar is no where as nearly as capable as an F-15's (non-AESA) let alone one equipped with an AESA.
Also Iran's AAM's are far older and of a more limited design. The F-4's slowest speed is also a lot faster then a drone's. THis will make forcing an overshoot a lot easier. I really think it would be a lot easier to shoot a drone down with an Su-25, rather then an F-4.

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Jaysun121 March 15, 2013 at 1:59 pm

X,
First off the fighters were probably flying CAP nearby, second the MQ-1 can stay on mission for 3x the time of a human opperator.

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sandy March 15, 2013 at 4:40 pm

Maybe the drone is bait… hoping Iran will start something.

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Lance March 15, 2013 at 4:51 pm

It was an unarmed MQ-1 meaning it has no weapons to defend itself so it's going to have an escort…

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Ryan March 16, 2013 at 1:09 am

I think his point was, what the hell is the purpose of using a drone if you have manned aircraft with it. Does it really have a better sensor suite than the F-18s or whatever was with it?

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dubweiser101 March 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm

Yea the unarmed drone might have been shitting its pants, but not as much as the Iranian F-4 pilot was when he saw armed USN or USAF fighters which explains why he turned tail and ran for Persia…

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Pogmusic March 15, 2013 at 9:37 pm

Yes, F-22s are there. My son is a crew chief on one.

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hirbod March 16, 2013 at 12:25 pm

yes…and my girlfriend is one of their pilots….but actually she is a bitch…

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Ronin17 March 17, 2013 at 2:13 pm

Oh crap now they know the reaction time of the 22's and they prefer to lure one of these near their waters.

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SICKOFTARDS March 22, 2013 at 5:35 pm

OPSEC INFO POGMUSIC. TELL THE WHOLE WORLD WHERE WE HAVE OUR CAPABILITIES

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STemplar March 22, 2013 at 10:13 pm

The USAF publishes deployments for goodness sake, calm down.

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Marcellus Hambrick March 15, 2013 at 9:54 pm

They were F-18 C’s.

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@MikeNiner5 March 17, 2013 at 3:34 pm

which are still 2x the aircraft of an antique F-4

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AAK March 15, 2013 at 11:29 pm

The Iranian propaganda dept is laughable, but there's some serious talent in the Air Force to keep those F4s flying after all these years.

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Guest March 16, 2013 at 11:12 am

How hard is it to maintain an aircraft that flies maybe 100 hours per decade?

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Lamel80 March 15, 2013 at 11:39 pm

I think if it were F-18's, the media might have reported it. F-22's do have a rotation in the region. Iran has already expressed their resentment toward the F22 being so close. This can be Google but I know this to be true… While it is possible for F-18 and usually more likely being over water, I think the pentagon would have said so up front. My guess, F-22.

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Marcellus Hambrick March 15, 2013 at 11:55 pm

They were F-18C’s.

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Lawrence Lewis September 24, 2013 at 9:01 pm
T Guest March 16, 2013 at 10:25 am

……and soon will we engage F-16's recently transferred?

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STemplar March 16, 2013 at 11:40 am

FYI to all those getting their skirts in an uproar about the author using the name Arabian Gulf in place of Persian. I'd be willing to bet its partly to poke you all with a stick to force a response. It's probably part to demonstrate what an infantile mentality you are and to illicit exactly the kind of responses you are all posting. To sort of once again demonstrate for you tools who precisely is "dumbest and easily manipulated"

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naeim asgary March 16, 2013 at 12:00 pm

ITS CALLED THE PERSIAN GULF!!!!!!!!!NOT ARRRAAAAB!
P E R S I A N G U L F !P E R S I A N G U L F !P E R S I A N G U L F !
P E R S I A N G U L F !
P E R S I A N G U L F !

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Infidel4LIFE March 18, 2013 at 2:28 pm

You mean that American lake in the ME? Coz thats wat it really is. The truth hurts no? You feel that sting boy? Thats pride, get used to it. GFY.

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Sev March 18, 2013 at 5:55 pm

What is it? The Arabian Gulf? Thanks for the info buddy ;)

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naeim March 16, 2013 at 12:01 pm

the only reason why the author is using ARAB GULF is because the author rides the zionist train all the way…

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blight_ March 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm

The Zionist train isn't necessarily anti-Iranian or pro-Arab.

Israel gave Iran hawk missiles as part of Iran contra. Iran did not participate in the 1949 war.

Anti-Semitism is part and parcel of the Abrahamaic faiths, and Iran is not an exception. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 12:00 pm

What an odd coincidence!! Iran isn't Persian either!! They just murdered those who were Persians until they agreed to change their whole culture and faith to that of the Muslims that tortured them.

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Papi1960R March 29, 2013 at 3:55 am

Zionist Train? A train made by Israeli Jews would be a exceptional machine. Excellent design, engineering, quality of workmanship. They could export it all around the world except Islamic countries, as the conditin of the rail systems have deterioated since their colonial masters left.

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blight_ March 29, 2013 at 8:12 am

But they are proud of the Iranian train, based on trains imported during the days of the Shah, reverse-engineered and improved from the 1980's standard. God is Great!

I suppose its better than the Saudi trains simply bought from the US and which cannot be made locally. Though maybe Turkish trains are as good as the Zionist train you speak of.

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naeim March 16, 2013 at 12:02 pm

MIKE HOFFMAN….
nice!

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 1:30 pm

An unusually high percentage of US politicians, Wall Street CEOs / BODs, influential lawyers, state/federal judges are Jews.

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blight_ March 16, 2013 at 1:45 pm

Depending on how accurate wikipedia is…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Ameri

(Off-topic: As it turns out, we could probably use a combination of mtDNA and y-chromosome haplotype markers to determine if people had an origin in the Holy Land. It would be difficult to tell a Palestinian from a Jew using this, but it would work in cases like determining an Ashekenazi from local populations. Sadly, I hope racists never learn how to do genetic sequencing, or enter a position of power to use molecular biology to do evil things).

11 Jewish Senators. ~1% of the population.

22 representatives from 435. 43=10%, 4=1%. Yeah, also highly represented.

Three Jews on the supreme court.

I don't feel like checking state, federal and appeals court just yet.

As a racial minority myself, I'm waiting for my group to appear more prominently. Chu's appointment to SecEnergy is probably the highest we will go…for now.

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STemplar March 16, 2013 at 2:18 pm

Probably because outside of Israel the US has the highest number of jews. Mostly because they fled mad men and monsters to the only place they're really safe.

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 12:16 pm

RaPe,
You say that likes its a bad thing. I don't think it is. Jews help found America. Also, to state that American believe all the crap they are fed by media outlets and politicians is to prove yourself uneducated. American s know politicians (and lawyers for that matter. And Muslims too….) are full of crap (why else would we have the highest number of anti-politician and anti-lawyer jokes?). The key though is, we KNOW this to be true. You are so busy with your two lips up the Ayatollah's anus you can't tell what color the sky really is. We KNOW thy are full of crap- but that within 4 years, we have a chance to change the crap that's stinking the place up. Hell, we've known this since before we were a country! But the catch is, we also know its the BEST available at this time, and we are ALWAYS working to make it better, rather than letter some greedy "religious" piece of crap do all the dictating, who is more than happy letting all your fools die in his name while he hides in the back (talk about cowards).

Question: If suicide bombers are so courageous, and Americans are too cowardly to set the bomb and blow themselves up but even still are brave enough to fight for their own ideals, then what do you call the Ayatollahs who neither fight nor blow themselves up? What word do you have for these? Crap? Why you listening to and following crap? What's that make you?

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hirbod March 16, 2013 at 12:22 pm

i don't know anywhere named arabian gulf….is it near iran? but one problem…why isn't on the map?

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Kim March 16, 2013 at 6:23 pm

The 'Arabian' Gulf? Schurely must've been schome mischtake….

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tiger March 17, 2013 at 3:24 am

Kinda nice to see the Phantom still smoking the skies. One of the great designs of all time.

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warspony March 18, 2013 at 1:54 pm

Once held the "publicly known" speed record – a beautiful bird with great lines. But, I would trade her in on a F-22 in a heartbeat.

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sandy March 17, 2013 at 9:29 am

call it the gulf of useless Iranians for all I care

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 8:53 pm

Why the crass hostility toward the Iranians? What have they done to you?

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USS ENTERPRISE March 17, 2013 at 10:41 pm

Nuclear Program.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 11:50 pm

Iran has every right to develop its nuclear program.

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Jo the Nipper March 18, 2013 at 5:23 am

Yes, within the stipulations of the NPT. As it constantly breaks these the "crass hostilities"

STemplar March 17, 2013 at 2:38 pm

Beyond this name of the gulf silliness I hope these drone flights are gathering appropriate data for the 'all options on the table' option.

I was interested in the recent interview with Obama where he sort of put a time frame on the Iranian nuke program by saying they were about a year off from one, even if he did leave himself some wiggle room by qualifying that with a comment about whether they have made the decision to proceed and build one. It was still interesting in that he used a specific time frame.

Of course that kind of just bounced off the main stream media bobble heads that they are and there was no real follow up discussion. Given that time frame and the recent issues with the Norks I think the time of not doing anything has passed for the Obama administration. Their plate is going to be very full over the next year I would imagine.

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@MikeNiner5 March 17, 2013 at 3:44 pm

we've been hearing politicos say, "about a year out"…."about 6 months out"…."about 3 years out"….for the last ten years

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 6:30 pm

Not this POTUS. Obama is mister hedge his bets and say noting while talking alot. We've had an endless stream of 'all options on the table' 'time has not run out' 'we prefer diplomacy'. Nothing remotely like what he said in that interview.

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tiger March 17, 2013 at 9:04 pm

Kicking the can down the road has been his whole foreign policy since day one.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 9:43 pm

Exactly my point, kind of sort of putting a time frame on it has clearly not been his style at all.

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Greg March 17, 2013 at 6:56 pm

Back in the day I remember reading reports from Navy Tomcat instructor pilots training Iranian pilots at Miramar after Iran bought a bunch of them. They said the Iranian pilots were very professional and picked up flying the Tomcat as quickly as their American counterparts. I never read anything negative about the Iranian pilots while they were at Miramar NAS.

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favr burrows March 18, 2013 at 9:22 am

shoot down one then let them how easly we can do so without any problems

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horndan March 18, 2013 at 10:04 am

well you don't see the big picture, if you can take and Vietnam era air craft and get that close, it just the beging to the end of the Drones

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blight_ March 18, 2013 at 10:14 am

Rather lose a drone than another EP-3. Or a dozen surveillance aircraft during the Cold War.

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Daniel Thaler March 18, 2013 at 10:50 am

If an Iranian jet fighter fired upon an unarmed or armed US jet fighter, um, isn't that VERY SERIOUS? They juts happened to miss. Suppose they hit the plane, killed the pilot, etc., etc. Then what? It's OK because they missed? I smell a rat.

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Kahuna06 March 18, 2013 at 12:05 pm

Iranian F-4s, and we want to GIVE F-16s to Egypt. How come we have become so stupid. If your are going to give the arabs something, give them P51s, or maybe some P47s, but certainly nor one of our top of the line fighters. Next Obama will want to give them a few F22s or a F35 or two so they stay our FRIENDS.

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SNAFU March 18, 2013 at 12:58 pm

My only question is: Where are the Iranians getting the parts to keep the Phantoms flying?

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warspony March 18, 2013 at 1:57 pm

Not that it makes a big difference, but there were many European Countries that were exempt from the UN sanctions against Iran – NGOs will find a way.

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juver March 18, 2013 at 1:12 pm

Scenario: A Cuban spy drone flies along the U.S. Gulf Coast. An old Air National Guard fighter flies in no more than to 18 miles.

Cuban fighters intercept it and force it to turn back.

Question: Would you think this was OK? Would you think the Americans are the baddies here, or would you think the Cubans are?

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S O March 18, 2013 at 2:31 pm

I happen to have an idea where you quoted this from. :)

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Benjamin March 18, 2013 at 3:48 pm

I do believe that Soviet Tu-95 Bear's did this throughout the Cold War with out any major incidents.

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Infidel4LIFE March 18, 2013 at 2:25 pm

I think it would be comical and embarrassing for a drone to shoot down an Iranian f-4 or watever junk they have. The gun camera footage would be proof, so arm those drones with some air to air missles and record the 1st kill by a drone. That would be a first no doubt.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 3:32 pm

You misspelled your name. It should be "Imbecile4LIFE"

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crackedlenses March 19, 2013 at 3:03 am

You misspelled your name. It should be "RestoreMediocrity".

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STemplar March 18, 2013 at 2:38 pm

Neener neener, guess central command didn't get the Persian Gulf cry baby memo.

"Our mission here hasn’t changed, and it’s been a steady mission for over 60 years — to contribute to the maritime security and stability of the region. I’m a firm believer that the overall stability of the region is greatly impacted by the level of stability and security of the maritime environment, that it really starts there. So, if the sea lanes of communication are safe, if ships are able to transit in and out of the Arabian Gulf through the Gulf of Oman through the Strait of Bab-el-Mandeb through the Suez Canal or out to the Indian Ocean, then we are doing our job."

Vice Adm. John Miller, Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130318/DEFRE

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Benjamin March 18, 2013 at 3:45 pm

"Confidently attack" ?? Seems like they ran away when confronted by something that could defend itself and the drone.

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frank March 18, 2013 at 6:34 pm

If Iran was given advanced weapons by the US and Germany like Israel they would be every bit as good.

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Benjamin March 19, 2013 at 9:52 am

Iran had equipment every bit as advanced as what Israel had in the late1970's/early 1980's andjust look what happened in the Iran/Iraq War.

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blight_ March 19, 2013 at 11:23 am

Like Nazi Germany, they ran out of machines to throw into the fight. Or to husband the professional units they had, they resorted to human wave attacks coupled to very judicious use of the American aircraft they had.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:55 pm

Oh my gosh. Why would you even pursue an enemy from above? The only time someone would do that would be if they were strafing planes or convoys. Thats it. You don't bomb fighters, you fire missiles and sometimes guns at them. And once again, if you have an ignorant person following above, pulling a Cobra might not be beneficial. You have to be able to not hit the enemy. You would have to keep your opponent in sight while your plane turn from a straight line to vertical. You would be under significant G stress. No advantage.

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oblatt March 19, 2013 at 1:17 am

>Our mission here hasn’t changed, and it’s been a steady mission for over 60 years — to contribute to the maritime security and stability of the region.

Yep same mission as ever – prop up the corrupt unrepresentative gulf regimes.

The key to Iran's acceptance by the US is a nuclear weapon. As soon as that happens Iran will suddenly be our partner and great friend and essential for the stability of the gulf.

In the last ten years Iran has had one of the greatest increases is living standards in the world according to the economist. Once sanctions are dropped we should see an Iranian renascence.

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Steamer March 19, 2013 at 2:41 am

Great…sending manned fighters to protect unmanned aircraft. Kind of defeats the purpose of using unmanned assets.

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swift March 19, 2013 at 1:49 pm

Were exactly is this "Arabian Gulf"? Is it located near the Donghae Sea? Does it contain the Island of Island of Diaoyu? Should authors stick with internationally recognized names for global places?

This is about as ignorant as when folks try to pretend that Israel doesn't exist by calling it the West Palestinian territories. Israel does in fact exist and this dispute took place in the Persian Gulf

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Benjamin March 19, 2013 at 5:44 pm

According to National Geographic, Arabian Gulf is a valid alternate name for the Persian Gulf.

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xjarhead March 20, 2013 at 10:56 am

Whatever gulf they are flying over, kudos to the pilots and maintenance crews of those phantoms.

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Garry Owen March 20, 2013 at 5:36 pm

How does Iran continue to get parts for their F-4's?

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MARTIN March 20, 2013 at 5:59 pm

gee iran has planes that can fly hhmmm

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Restore Palestine March 20, 2013 at 8:49 pm

Are you sorry that the F-22 and F-35 aren't even flying after your government has dumped hundreds of billions into the two expensive pieces of junks.

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Benjamin March 21, 2013 at 10:22 am

Both the F-22 and F-35 are flying in numbers greater then what Iran is currently capable of flying

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Restore Palestine March 21, 2013 at 4:30 pm

You mean the F-22 and F-35 are crashing in numbers greater than what Iran is capable of crashing. HaHa.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 22, 2013 at 8:25 pm

Ah Iran, the mecca of all aviation. Oh wait, thats no right.

blight_ March 23, 2013 at 10:31 am

They're flying, they're just not perfect yet and it's costing a frustrating amount of money.

Regarding the -C: "Fly yes, land [on a carrier using tailhook]: no!"

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USS ENTERPRISE March 26, 2013 at 10:49 pm

Ah, Indiana Jones quote. Can't go wrong with Indy.

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Deepinnaheartatexas March 20, 2013 at 6:24 pm

It might have been referred to as the "Arabian Gulf" in the same manner that GHW Bush used to call the Iraqi president "Saddam" (rhymes with "Adam") instead of "Sah-dahm". Just a little tweak of the tail, perhaps?

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Willy March 20, 2013 at 7:40 pm

I wonder what air medal the drone pilot will get. Flying in hostile area that is some scary stuff!

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Adam Majkowski March 20, 2013 at 8:27 pm

Doing everything possible to provoke war with Iran. People need to stop enlisting to stop the war. No troops, no war. Peace.

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xarkey March 20, 2013 at 10:47 pm

There is an old proverb written sometime after 1400ad which (paraphrased) says "Where goes the Quran, progress stops"

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kammeres March 21, 2013 at 12:50 am

Look at any world atlas. The body of water west of the Straits of Hormuz is the Persian Gulf. East of the Straits of Hormuz, it's known as the Gulf of Oman. That opens into the Arabian Sea, which is northern extension of the Indian Ocean. No problem, eh?

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Tom March 21, 2013 at 2:43 pm

Was that Monkey flying the Jet?

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USS ENTERPRISE March 23, 2013 at 12:32 pm

Honestly, with all this debate about the name of the Gulf, why don't we call it "The Gulf that is surrounded by Oil rich emirates who can't keep their people from fighting each other and therefore show corruption"? How about calling it "The US carrier Gulf" as it seems that carriers show up there every other day to make peace. For gods sake, lets just get it over with.

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palestine = fantasy March 24, 2013 at 3:12 pm

i remember some dirty muslim said ; “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

And of course, there was “Chairman” Arafat who in a 1974 interview with The New Republic stated: “What you call Jordan is actually Palestine.”

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blight_ March 24, 2013 at 4:59 pm

It comes on the heels of the death of the pan-Arabian state post-Ottoman empire.

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palestine fantasy March 24, 2013 at 3:15 pm

“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

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chris christiansen March 24, 2013 at 8:12 pm

why not load up a predator with c4 or any explosive, let them capture it and when they show it off as a captured american drone, we press the button and show them the recieving end of an airborne IED. Ironic huh? they will think twice about screwing with us.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 24, 2013 at 8:50 pm

But we lose a predator. To explosives. For no reason. And there is no guarantee it will work. Plus, they probably know all about IEDS and will recognize the plane as a Trojan Horse. I say greet them with a bomb, nothing fancy, just a bomb.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 29, 2013 at 8:05 pm

*IQ not IG. Typo!

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RJLipscomb April 1, 2013 at 9:59 pm

The Arabs like to call it the "Arabian Gulf". We call it the "Persian Gulf". Same thing. Note, to the East is Persia and the West is Arabia.

The fighter aircraft were on "alert" in case hostile Iranian aircraft made any attempt to intercept. My guess is they were F-18C's, but could have been F-22's. F-18's would not need signal their presence. F-22's would (stealth).

Iran was probably just letting us know they are willing & capable of defending their airspace.

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irani October 23, 2013 at 3:47 am

persian golf, persian

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mohammad December 25, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 2:58 am

The American jets and drones are in the region to provoke Iran.

War is a racquet. It's the easiest way for defense contractors to make obscenely large amount of money. So defense contractors hire lobbyists and buy off elected officials in Congress to find excuses for overt and covert military operations around the globe.

American citizens as a group have become the dumbest and the most easily fooled / manipulated in the world. Put some misinformation and propaganda in the mainstream media, and they can get all the support they need to screw taxpayers out of their hard earned money and fatten their wallets, even if it means committing war crimes in order to achieve their goals.

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Duke March 16, 2013 at 9:29 am

Sorry, we're renaming it the Gulf of America.

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REv March 16, 2013 at 12:00 pm

"This a fact and you cannot change it."
Really?
Were you born in Rhodesia?
Do you live in Siam?
Any plans to visit Stalingrad?
Get the point?

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J. Fonda March 16, 2013 at 6:55 pm

Until we reduce Iran's puny armed forces to heaps of rubble and crying, quivering little flip-flop clad quitters surrendering en masse. Then we will call it "The gulf of USA"

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NeoconBrony March 17, 2013 at 5:00 pm

Hurray for Newspeak!

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STemplar March 16, 2013 at 11:10 am

I haven't seen Americans strap explosives to themselves and walk into markets full of their own women and children and butcher dozens of their own to force an enemy to leave in the name of 'god'. While we are talking about dumb and easily manipulated that is.

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STemplar March 16, 2013 at 12:14 pm

So who is hiding behind their women and children? Who sneaks across a border at night? Who stockpiles weapons and explosives in schools and mosques in direct violation of the laws of armed conflict? Oh, and who rides around in vehicles painted the same color, with the same flag, wearing a uniform with a recognized flag of the nation they represent? You sure you got who the chicken little is correct? Palestinians with hidden rocket launchers next to apartment buildings full of women and children and you have the unmitigated gall to call the US cowards? The Islamo pigs are rewrting cowardice for the ages every day. Blowing up their own people in crowded markets. Butchering each other over variations of beliefs in their own religion. You don't see Batists bombing Catholic churches. You don't see Protestants setting off truck bombs next to the Vatican. Savages.

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blight_ March 16, 2013 at 12:39 pm

"soldiers' willingness to die for a cause can make up a lot of ground for inferior military hardware"

And a population that openly praises high battlefield losses.

"We lost five thousand troops, God wills it! (Deus Vult for the Latin-speaking Crusaders, Inshallah for their Arabic-speaking enemies, though I think it is also very similar/same in Persian?)"

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Josh March 17, 2013 at 4:18 pm
blight_ March 16, 2013 at 12:44 pm

Those are nation-states which can change their names when they choose to.

Bodies of water…hrm. Nobody's tried?

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 1:02 pm

The illegal US invasion of Iraq and covert manipulations of conflicts among different religious sects are root cause of all the misery over there. There is nothing new about this. There is a clear pattern of US MO in fouling things up under false pretenses. You may blame the Brits for passing the filthy colonial strategy to the Americans.

Who blew up the WTC tower 1 and 2 again?

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 1:13 pm

Because (1) false accusations by the US government, as the hackers could very well have been Americans, (2) the US has the largest cyber warfare force in the world and is constantly hacking Chinese networks, threatening China's national security, (3) China needs to defend its networks and find out what future evil schemes the US government is plotting against China, (4) many of the software and hardware engineers in America are Chinese, Indians, Russians, Japanese, Koreans, Eastern Europeans, who are much, much smarter than Americans.

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm

American terrorists are too cowardly to kill themselves in the process. They usually just plant the bombs and make it look like somebody else did it.

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blight_ March 16, 2013 at 1:21 pm

Q: "why are the Chinese so busy trying to hack away all of our information and intelligence? "

A: Because (1) false denials by the Chinese government, as the hackers could very well have been Chinese, (2) the Chinese have the largest cyber warfare force in the world and is constantly hacking American networks, threatening America's national security, (3) America needs to defend its networks and find out what future evil schemes the Chinese government is plotting against America, (4) many of the software and hardware engineers in America are Chinese, Indians, Russians, Japanese, Koreans, Eastern Europeans, who are much, much smarter than Americans.

Re # 2: What is the largest cyberi warfare force in the world? Is it an toolbox of rootkits and programs to infiltrate enemy systems? Is it an army of hackers and zombienets to launch DDoS? It's difficult to qualify #2, especially without specifics. For instance, we can talk about the million-man north korean army and compare it abstractly to a smaller ROKA with a 5-million-man reserve force. We would otherwise talk about the lack of fuel for vehicles and combat engineering equipment to cross the DMZ. But when you boil down cyberwarfare and use "largest cyber warfare force" it means very little.

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girly palestine March 18, 2013 at 3:06 pm

What manner of BS is this guy eating? Once again, sounds like little boy palestine is nothing more than their cowardly leader making all kinds of excuses.

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 1:26 pm

Yes, but this is America. That means you need to lower your standard to about the level of school dropouts in order to be not feeling frustrated or irritated.

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blight_ March 16, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Josh March 17, 2013 at 4:25 pm
xarkey March 20, 2013 at 10:45 pm

I lived in Saudi Arabia for 10 years. Only the arab nations put Arabian Gulf on their maps. It's an ego thing. All the money in the world cannot change history only a few maps. Personally I wish someone in Persia would do the stupid thing and fire on us. We need to pave a few cities with napalm and snuff a few loose flying relics to get their attention. Knock off the uranium enrichment, stand down the Iranian naval forces at the Gulf of Hormuz and shut up. We have waited too long and now that infantile pervert in North Korea is panting at the end of his leash. I guess they didn't learn anything from "Oh Dark Thirty" and the lesson to be gotten from that action.

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STemplar March 16, 2013 at 1:27 pm

Hahaha

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Mike March 16, 2013 at 3:37 pm

Wow, you are either:

1) A nasty little troll, or
2) A terribly misinformed apologist

Really mate,for someone who has and education (which I'm guessing you do have) you are naive.

Either way you should go to your local library and check out some history books.

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STemplar March 16, 2013 at 1:28 pm

Islamo kooks like you blew up the WTC.

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blight_ March 16, 2013 at 1:36 pm

Sunnis and Shia have fought before Europeans were even aware of the New World. We did not start that conflict.

We did not tell Arabs to invade Persia and impose Islam either. We didn't tell the Persians to expel Sunni Islam and become Shia, then try to impose it on the Middle East.

American support for the Israelis has been bad for Palestinians.

Re Iran: when Reza Pahlavi leaned fascist, we replaced him with Mohammed Reza. When Mossadegh won elections and tried to nationalize companies, we replaced him too.

The UK also tried to put a Hashemite in charge of Iraq. He did not last long. The West is not responsible for the Baath, the United Arab Republic or Gaddafi. The west isn't the reason why Alawites are in charge of Syria at the expense of the Sunnis. The west isn't the reason why Lebanon is still on the razor's edge.

America is just the Middle East's boogeyman; just like the Middle East and Middle Easterners are our boogeyman. Middle Eastern dictators try to blame as much as they can on the west to get around their inability to modernize their countries. We blame you guys for your random and insignificant terrorist attacks to justify keeping the military-industrial complex above life-support level of care and feeding.

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Jo the Nipper March 17, 2013 at 2:13 am

Restore Palestine says: "The illegal US invasion of Iraq and covert manipulations of conflicts among different religious sects are root cause of all the misery over there."

Pray tell, what caused the first intifada? If I'm correctly informed it was long before Iraq…
Otherwise it's quite interesting how passionately you refuse to answer to the quite valid points in "STemplar" posts. All we get from you is some unimaginative rant about the bad USA… that pritty poor, mate.

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Veng March 18, 2013 at 11:22 pm

Was it the Jews!? I bet it was the Jews!

DERN JEWS. RABBLE RABBLE RESTORE PALESTINE RABBLE RABBLE DOWN WITH THE GREAT SATAN RAWR

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 1:36 pm

You are not renaming it. You are simply invading it and taking it.

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Paul March 17, 2013 at 12:17 am

Or rather the Gulf of USS Abraham Lincoln.

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STemplar March 16, 2013 at 2:10 pm

You realize you're wasting your time trying to educate an indoctrinated islamist correct?

6 decades of leadership that has charged the Palestinian people down the path to ruin.

This fools name is restore Palestine and he's too uninformed to even know what a contradiction that is.

He sits there and defends Iran and bad mouths the US and Israel too stupid to realize the Iranians are building nukes and missiles and want to eradicate the jews. He isn't mentally nimble enough to realize that a nuke detonated over Tel Aviv means the end of the Palestinian people. Too dumb to realize what a dupe he and the rest are too the Iranians and how they are so completely being used.

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blight_ March 16, 2013 at 2:31 pm

I doubt he's even a Palestinian.

Probably some angsty youth in western Europe, or even the US.

Notice the use of the phrase "over there".

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crackedlenses March 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm

There's a first for everything, and there's no particular reason why the US couldn't. Who would tell them no?

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 2:53 pm

HaHa. How did these "Islamo kooks" gain access first to the high-tech nano pyrotechnic materials used to cut the steel beans, and then to the numerous floors on WTC 1 & 2 to plant and wire the charges, and finally to the hardware and technical expertise for sophisticated controlled demolition of two 110-story towers?

Do you count the 5 Israeli intelligence agents arrested for cheering the collapse of WTC as "Islamo kooks"?

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STemplar March 16, 2013 at 2:57 pm

Check, tinfoil hat crowd, my mistake, thought you were an Islamo kook but you're just a plain ol kook.

How did they do all that? They didn't. Get help man.

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tiger March 17, 2013 at 2:07 am

Bull excrement

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canadianeh March 18, 2013 at 2:52 pm

Idiot jet fuel burns in negative (I honestly have no idea ) temperature gasoline when ignited even will burn through steel soo obviously so can jet fuel…. I love how retarded you are.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:27 pm

Ah, great. Two planes crash into the WTC towers 1 and 2. And obviously, that means that buildings were destroyed by explosives. Really. Take a look at what you are saying. It makes no sense. WOULDN'T the firefighter notice, say bombs, and suspicious wires when the courageously went into the flaming buildings? Don't you think they would have communicated? Honestly, 9/11 was a terrible disaster carried out by Islamic EXTREMIST groups that cultivated in the US intervention in the Middle East.

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 3:12 pm

You are posting everything twice. You might want to cut down on the dosage of whatever substance you are taking or inhaling.

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Mike March 16, 2013 at 3:28 pm

And least we all forget… there is a Palestinian state, it's called Jordan. It was part of the British Mandate of Palestine and during the partition it was called "A Palestinian State".

Amazing how everyone forgets that.

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blight_ March 16, 2013 at 4:00 pm

My understanding was that the British Mandate was carved out of the Ottoman empire, and the part east of the Jordan River was "Transjordan" (across the Jordan, pretty obvious); and the part west of the Jordan River was just Palestine.

Time to dig into Sykes-Picot…

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 4:07 pm

We need to reverse the creation of Israel and restore Palestine.

Since there are more Jews in America than in Israel, let's carve up a piece of land in the US for them. I suggest half of the state of New York, including NYC, since the Jews own Wall Street anyway.

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Restore Palestine March 16, 2013 at 4:00 pm

You don't know what you are talking about. And you can barely read. But you are an American, so I don't expect much.

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Mike March 16, 2013 at 4:15 pm

Correct, but the land to the west of the Jordan was to be Jewish territory. To the east Arab… we should avoid the term Palestinian as it causes confusion. Consider the fact that everyone who lived in (as a citizen) Palestine was a Palestinian, just like everyone who lives in the USA (as a citizen) is an American. The term Palestinian was subverted in the 60's by the PLO and other like minded groups.

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Mike March 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm

Pot this is Kettle over… lol

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No palestine March 18, 2013 at 3:11 pm

is that the stuff your powerless little raggie gives out everyday?

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Guest March 16, 2013 at 5:20 pm

If that were true then the US would sink any ship in the Gulf that wasn't flagged US. Since nothing of the kind is being reported, we can safely assume that it isn't happening. The flow of traffic in and out of the Gulf is not being interfered with, only protected.

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destroy palestine March 18, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Invading international waters? much like your little boy invades the rights of students and those wishing express their own thoughts?

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Benjamin March 16, 2013 at 5:38 pm

AIM-9 is probably to big but a Stinger would work

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tomatojuice March 16, 2013 at 6:21 pm

If you don't expect much, please stop using all things American. I.E. The internet.

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Guest March 16, 2013 at 11:05 pm

Funny thing is most high school dropouts have a higher education than 70% of that region…

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USS ENTERPRISE March 17, 2013 at 10:43 pm

Well at least our citizens don't build set models for movies, name them random names like Qaher 313, and then try to pitch the plane as some sort of ninja karate F-22 killing plane which it isn't.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 12:10 am

Restore what? You still haven't answered the question. Restore Palestine to what? British occupation? The Ottoman Empire? What do you want to restore it too precisely?

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Veng March 18, 2013 at 11:37 pm

There are over six million Jews in Israel and half that in America. Do your research, troll.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 23, 2013 at 5:05 pm

Hmm. Neo-Nazi sounding to me. Trying to displace and move Jews according to your beliefs. I would ask, why don't just carve up some of the Middle East, as it will seriously reduce terrorist activity in the world.

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Paul March 17, 2013 at 12:19 am

or the Gulf of William Bainbridge.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 1:28 am

HaHa. You are dyslexic, aren't you. You shouldn't be talking about global geopolitics and defense technology. You've got a fatal handicap.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 1:51 am

I'll take that to mean you are done attempting to make some point however infantile it may be.

Any handicap that I have pales in comparison to the pathetic state of affairs that is Gaza and the West Bank. A sad beaten and broken people being used by the Iranians for their own antisemitic plans.

House pets in America have a better standard of living than the squalor the poor Palestinians live in. Instead of smuggling out dated ineffective weapons to them the Iranians might try waste water treatment and water purification and actually do the Palestinians some good. If you're one of them truly then I pity your circumstances.

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ziv March 17, 2013 at 7:51 am

Come on, kekd! We are taking away the naming rights to what used to be the Persian Gulf and giving them to the Arabs. If a football stadium name is worth $100M what must the naming rights for one of the most hotly contested bodies of water be worth? Get with the program! LOL!

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blight_ March 17, 2013 at 11:03 am

As much as I wish people would send plowshares to the Palestinians, the Israelis at one point were restricting concrete imports.

Though that real estate development in the West Bank does sound promising. I hope it gets pulled off properly, and that nobody fires Qassam rockets from the property.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 2:29 pm

No I think mostly we are making fun of you because you get angry over it and we couldn't care less what the silly damn place is called.

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Tom March 18, 2013 at 10:15 am

When I was in the UAE a few years ago I recall it being repeatedly referred to as the Arabian Gulf, if anything it is the USA using the same vernacular its allies in the region use, its not the USA trying to change the name.

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Prodozul March 17, 2013 at 2:52 pm

Iran's infamous with photoshop

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blight_ March 17, 2013 at 3:06 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IIAF_Boeing_707

Interwebs suggests 707 and 747 tankers, but can only confirm the 707.

Amusingly, I learn that the IRIAF executed its own Osirak airstrike.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Scorch_Swo

Additionally, they hit H3 in the western desert of Iraq (for reasons which I haven't been able to find.) Not sure if Iran can pull it off again, but they're more likely to do it than say, North Korea.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 6:22 pm

No, just what I said. I know absolutely the name is the Persian Gulf. I know the Saudis were saying it should be Arabian. It is clearly a sore point with folk of your mentality and I don't care. So not in other words, in the words I just wrote you "learn geography" I don't care what it is called.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 6:24 pm

As opposed to the tired dog Iranians posting here. A pathetic nation of cowards that hide behind other people's civilians and IEDs because the yellow swine are too cowardly to face any one on level ground.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 6:57 pm

First, I don't believe you have ever checked out any history books from a library. Second, what you refer to as education in America isn't really education, but brainwashing / indoctrination in blind, foolish, unquestioning, misguided "patriotism", consumerism, self-indulgence, self-centeredness, and so on, so forth. Third, with mainstream media firmly in the hands of corporate powers that are actually running the country through a puppet Congress and White House, you cannot possibly get any meaningful, important, real and accurate information from most publishers. Your country still has not told the truth of JFK's assassination to this day.

Check out some history books? HaHa. Get your brains checked out first, son.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 7:05 pm

It's the US that first started cyber warfare, planted back doors in major application software and chips, and used viruses against other countries.

The US government has never been shy in offensive cyber warfare, and sometimes it even brags about it.

The US spends more on its military and cyber warfare than the next 20 nations combined.

That's more than enough evidence and support for my assertions. The rest of the world understand that, but not Americans.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 7:19 pm

I'd imagine Iranian intransigence on the nuclear issue will invite some visits from the USAF and USN within a year or so. Get around to paying back some old bills to Tehran.

Your comment about drones and casualty rates is just more factless ranting.

Also, don't really care if you're Iranian.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 7:20 pm

Hahahaha. Is this Baghdad Bob? Hahahahahaha

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Guest March 17, 2013 at 9:43 pm

If I may, why do you bother typing anything on this site if most (if not all!) of it's users disagree with you? It's a waste of time if anything…

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Mark March 18, 2013 at 3:02 pm

Aww, someone has their panties in a wad. This guy wouln't even know how to find a book in a library, much less read one.

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blight_ March 17, 2013 at 7:27 pm

The United States military is probably still dead last in understanding cyberwarfare.

However, when it comes to the NSA or the CIA, you never know. Many arms of government are easily penetrated by civilians, who still have domain knowledge in cyberwarfareland. They are the unemployed ronin who could be wielded into a powerful army if they gave a damn about nation-state feuds.

[Edit: TheHackerNews does occasionally cover segments on malicious rootkits that the Iranians discover hiding out on their computers.]

What's concerning is that the United States no longer makes a great deal of its own hardware. It's easier to put in hardware or firmware-level switches when you control all aspects of design, fabrication and final assembly: and we probably can't guarantee that anymore.

As for spending, I won't dispute it. We're good at spending. The United States spends buckets of money on its conventional military, but I don't have cyberwarfare breakdowns, which would also have to include non-military US government entities.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 7:28 pm

We'll have modern photos in a few months. BDA assessment videos and charred wreckage on runways…..

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Vance Frickey March 23, 2013 at 7:33 pm

I noticed right off the bat too that the aircraft shown in the photo was in "Imperial Iranian Air Force" livery.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 7:33 pm

Shouldn't you be out beating some unarmed women protesting or dragging someone off to secret prisons or something?

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blight_ March 17, 2013 at 7:35 pm

I'm not a big fan of the buddy system, but I suppose it has its niche applications.

I wouldn't be surprised if they still had flying tankers. It was a pretty neat capability to use against Iraq. And ominously, if the Iraqis allowed it, an IRIAF contigent using Iraqi bases and airspace could probably penetrate Jordan and strike Israel…if they really wanted to. I'm not sure what the gain from trying would be.

I suppose the other caveat is that Iran needs to support old American hardware, old-new Russian hardware and new locally-built hardware. Universal plumbing for all or different refueling arrangements for each type of aircraft would be a nightmare.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 8:48 pm

Iraq is now far worse than when Saddam Hussein was in power. You may spin as much as you like. But the facts remain that the US took out Saddam Hussein not because of WMDs or terrorism. That's just BS propaganda and sheer fabrication by the thugs in US Congress and the White House.

The real reason for messing up Iraq was because Saddam Hussein was refusing to sell oil in US dollars and to cooperate with the US in evil acts desired by special interests.

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 9:30 am

First Intifada was the Terrorist Yassar Arafat attacking a site holy to both Jews and Muslims simply because a Jewish politician was visiting it. Nice- Muslims raise a big fuss when we attack their Mosques because they are hiding terrorists and weapons in them, making them a legitimate military target, yet, its perfectly alright for them to attack their own holy sites, as long as it suits their purposes. This is the definition of hypocrasy, by the way Palestinian- I know you aren't educated enough to know that, so I'm helping you out. All you know is the brainwashing you've been given.

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tiger March 17, 2013 at 9:06 pm

Nice & witty come back.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 9:20 pm

I don't care whether you care or don't care what it's called.

But NORMAL people, i.e. people with normal IQ's do care about correct geographical names being used in the articles they read. If an article talks about Russia, we expect the author to call it Russia, not Prussia, not Persia, not Malaysia. And if the author cannot freaking identify the proper name of the country, he has no freaking business writing anything about the place.

Understand? you stupid American bozo.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 9:40 pm

Hahahaha

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 9:41 pm

Hahahaha. Up your dosage, you're getting frothy…

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scary palestine March 18, 2013 at 3:13 pm

Normal people? you mean like your little sand dwelling cowards? Yeah, that's right. Sand dwelling cowards.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 9:55 pm

HaHa, well, think about it from the other side … what's the point of posting if the majority of users already agree with you? Wouldn't that be a real waste of time?

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 10:00 pm

Agree? Disagree? I thought this was just replying to a troll because clearly no one cares here what the gulf is called except you and a couple others. You've pretty much just steered to inflammatory nonsense with little to banter over, For instance, you still haven't answered what you want to restore Palestine to.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 10:06 pm

Guantanamo isn't a secret. It's in Cuba. It's a POW camp. Rendition is a snake that will bite us back at some point no doubt, and the US does not kick in doors and drag people away in the night for yelling god is great, not even remotely a similar comparison. No points there I'm afraid.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 10:12 pm

Nope I kinda think it falls in line with calling it the Arabian Gulf. He probably just doesn't give a crap what people who get fired up defending Iran think. In fact, he probably did it to just piss you off.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 10:22 pm

Yah, I highly doubt they would get close to Israeli air space given the Israelis can spot Katushas from launch I would think a rickety flight of Phantoms and Tomcats would be char marks in the desert somewhere. That and there are probably Israeli spies sitting outside Iranian air bases facebooking what they do as well….

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 10:23 pm

HaHa. You are a troll and you are trolling me. Why should I bother? Besides, I've already made it clear. It's not my fault that you are dyslexic. May I suggest that you cut down on drug intake and see if it helps.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 10:26 pm

Well love to stay and chat but I've gotta go take a big Tehran and make sure to wipe my Khamenei real well.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 10:53 pm

F22 was 160ish? What nice potent stuff have you been smoking. Take a break and a shower, would ya.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 10:55 pm

I'll repeat. The F-22 is an expensive piece of junk. Same for the F-35. Better believe it.

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Jo the Nipper March 18, 2013 at 1:54 am

Well, the Qaher 313 is indefinitely cheaper then either the F22 or the Eurofighter Typhoon. All it takes to make it fly is Adobe Photoshop – without any add ons :)

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USS ENTERPRISE March 17, 2013 at 10:56 pm

Well each aircraft was. I don't see how you can challenge a fact given out by the actual manufacturer of the aircraft, Lockheed Martin. You are probably applying your anti-American brain into thinking of the development cost, which was expensive. But the end result is a plane that will take down anything that you can possibly conjure up, that is, of course, real, cough *Qaher 313* cough.

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STemplar March 17, 2013 at 11:52 pm

Flyaway cost was about that.

RoleStealth air superiority fighter
National originUnited States
ManufacturerLockheed Martin Aeronautics
Boeing Defense, Space & Security
First flight7 September 1997[1]
Introduction15 December 2005
StatusIn service
Primary userUnited States Air Force
ProducedF-22: 1996–2011[2]
Number built195 (eight test and 187 operational) aircraft[2]
Program costUS$66.7 billion[3]
Unit costUS$150 million (flyaway cost for FY2009)[4]
Developed fromLockheed YF-22
Developed intoLockheed Martin X-44 MANTA
Lockheed Martin FB-22

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Jo the Nipper March 18, 2013 at 1:51 am

So, please enlighten us to the truth about the F22 costs.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 17, 2013 at 11:00 pm

Better believe it. A line from Bill Cosby. An american. Just pointing that bit out. Well if the F-22 is an expensive piece of junk, than, Herr Restore Palestine, do you suggest is good? PAK FA, just no. J-20, made in China. Any contenders. Also, the F-35, I agree, is a money pool that isn't needed. But once again, competitors?

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 11:00 pm

The Cobra maneuver is a precious life-saving move that allows the Flanker pilot to fire at an enemy aircraft pursuing in the back and above.

You are an amateur in air combat.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 17, 2013 at 11:03 pm

Okay. WHEN have you seen that maneuver used successfully in combat? And the video game Ace Combat 7 doesn't count. Precious life-saving? Says the person who also claims Americans are cowards because we aren't suicide bombers. Also, back on that maneuver, let me ask, after pulling the nose up so violently, can a pilot actually aim his missile at a plane above him? And at the range this maneuver is used, missiles would barely have time to arm and engage.

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:28 am

Amateur? LOL – the Cobra maneuver makes the Flanker a GREAT BIG target to anyone behind. And no one would pursue an aircraft from above. Talk about an amateur.

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Infidel4LIFE March 18, 2013 at 2:19 pm

You are clearly delusional and need to be put down like a sick animal. You are a jackass to boot.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 11:10 pm

Well, I guess you have been smoking the same nice potent stuff.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 11:32 pm

The Russian Flankers have been wide-recognized to be superior to the F-15s.

I don't expect most Americans to admit it. I believe those in the US air force and the Pentagon know full well for over 2 decades that the F-15 is no match for the modern Flankers with comparable pilots.

It would be a waste of time to debate F-22 vs Flanker as the F-22 is not a ready, mature, flyable platform given its numerous problems.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 11:37 pm

One more thing, the Indian Air Force is not known for top pilots, or even good maintenance of aircraft for that matter; nor is the US.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 11:16 pm

Okay, WHEN has the US dared to engage a Russian Flanker with its so-called "best fighter in the world" the F-15?

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USS ENTERPRISE March 17, 2013 at 11:22 pm

Cope India. "Cope" with that. We took on the best of India. True, they supposedly held well. But that was with the F-15 not allowed to use long range missiles. Otherwise, other mock battles with the Flanker have ended with a 15 victory. Oh, and don't forget the pilot. THE most important bit of a plane. And frankly, USAF pilots top out any Palestine pilots.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 11:25 pm

Man, the amount of false information in your head is simply staggering.

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Restore Palestine March 17, 2013 at 11:40 pm

The Russian Flankers have been wide-recognized to be superior to the F-15s.

I don't expect most Americans to admit it. I believe those in the US air force and the Pentagon know full well for over 2 decades that the F-15 is no match for the modern Flankers with comparable pilots.

It would be a waste of time to debate F-22 vs Flanker as the F-22 is not a ready, mature, flyable platform given its numerous problems.

One more thing, the Indian Air Force is not known for top pilots, or even good maintenance of aircraft for that matter; nor is the US

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USS ENTERPRISE March 17, 2013 at 11:28 pm

As is yours. In fact, more so. Now that I think more, I notice that you think that we say that the F-15 is the best fighter in the world. That title has long since been passed to the F-22. The F-15 is the most effective fighter. 104.5 victories. Argue with that and well you are just flat out lying. Which you have been doing.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 12:09 am

No, your citizens brainlessly let dirty politicians steal hundreds of billions and give the money to filthy greedy defense contractors to build crappy pilot-killing jets with random names like the F-22 or the F-35 and then try to pitch them as stealthy, best-in-the-world fighter jets when they are not.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 12:31 am

And who is? Also, I think you are forgetting that little 104.5 victory bit. Since you, dear sir, are so clearly smart and better than any American, tell me, what is the Flanker's kill ratio? Does the Flanker's radar compare to the new AESA radar that is fitted on the F-15? Also, F-22. Not a mature flying platform. So if we were to fly over any country in anger, the F-22 would be ignored? And, comparable pilots? We aren't talking about the Russian pilots who aren't as good as you are suggesting. We are talking about who? Iranian pilots. Who are currently flying American aircraft like the F-14 and F-4. Now, Restore Palestine Sahib, please cordially tell me, how can you possibly win?

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 1:27 am

See, you are flying the F-22 anywhere. It's been grounded and will stay grounded.

The Flankers have been flown against the F-15 for a long time, since the 1990s.

Informed F-15 vs Flanker enthusiasts have long ceased arguing about it. You are still trying to argue about it with false information and irrelevant or immaterial parameters.

Since you are not going to believe me anyway, why not go ask some experienced US pilots.

The Flankers have consistently beaten the F-15s in mock combats. I would love to see a real dog fight between the two but I doubt that the US can afford to let that happen.

I know you don't like it, but the Flankers are superior to the F-15s. End of story.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 1:28 am

Meant to say "you are NOT flying the F-22 anywhere"

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:02 am

Ah, in dogfighting, perhaps. But pretty much all dogfights between 4th generation fighters start with a radar lock, not a dogfight. The F-15, supported with the usual plethora of AWACS aircraft, can spot the massive radar signature of a Flanker. The F-15 does have a massive signature on its own. But it can detect and lock on a Flanker quicker then the Flanker. It can then engage the target more accurately and more quickly. And there you go. Oh, and chuck in pilot training. WHERE in Palestine do you see anything like, say Operation Red Flag? USAF pilots are among the best, if not the best. Iranian pilots are good. They can keep up their scrap heap F-4 in the air.

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Jo the Nipper March 18, 2013 at 1:41 am

Iraq may be worse than before – that's, however, subject to much debate and, frankly, has nothing what soever to do with your statement above to which I replied. Perhaps you should try to back up some of the unmitigated crap your dispensing here with evidence or reasons…
Or at least try to keep track of the nonsense you're spewing about or – better yet – just keep it to yourself.

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Mister Rose March 18, 2013 at 7:15 am

"With comparable pilots"

Key point there. How much training time do the Iranians get to fly each year?

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 9:21 am

His name is "Restore Palestine" so automatically he doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't even know the history of the religion he's defending so vehemently. Muslim factions have been at war with each other LONG before there even WAS a US- in fact, Muslim vs Muslim aggression is what triggered the crusades to begin with- one faction defeated the Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire, then another defeated them and sacked/burned the Christian churches in the Holy Land, as well as prevented Christian pilgrimages. This brought the ERE to contact Rome for assistance. The crusades "officially" ended several hundred years later when Richard the Lionheart "won" (it was more of a stalemate that bordered just barely on defeat) and "achieved" an agerement with the current Muslim faction to allow Christian pilgrimages and rebuild the churches (the Muslims had already decided to do this, they missed all the money the Christians brought…. yet the call the Jews greedy….).

On a side note, the Israelis that cheered 9/11 did so because they foolishly thought the US would bring the hammer down on Iran, as we did against Japan. The Israelis would LOVE to see Iran nuked (and rightfully so) and (IMHO) this also proves they do NOT have Nukes since they had the perfect opportunity (and many since) to simply use them (or at least, they have proven they are sane enough to be in possession of them, since they have proven they WONT use them except as a last resort, as they should be).

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Restore Palestine March 27, 2013 at 2:10 am

tomatojuice, applying your own logic, since the US govt argues with the Chinese govt about almost everything, you should contact the White House, Congress, and the Pentagon, and tell them to stop using paper, gunpowder, rockets and the compass, because they were all invented by the Chinese

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:10 am

While he's at it, maybe he can work to Restore Iran to the Persians that the Muslims murdered…..

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:19 am

Answer: Because their corrupt Elite keeps all the money for themselves (just like their close friends in North Korea)

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 12:25 pm

Because your parents aren't feeding you well, and you are suffering from malnutrition, as well as schizophrenic hallucinations.

Take your pills on times and stop eating rubbish American junk food, and you will see that Iranians eat better than Americans.

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:25 am

Well, they DO make nice Hari Kari planes….saves on fuel, ammunition and GDP (more citizens you stick in one and throw at Americans, the fewer citizens you have to feed). That's probably the biggest reason the 313 will fail- its photoshopped so it won't blow up easily

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 5:08 pm

Exactly. Just below, take a look. Pilot training warfare going on.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 11:32 am

HaHa. Are you reading this off the sales brochure of F-15s? It's getting really old. I have seen similar clueless babblings from naive, misinformed amateurs thousands of times.

USAF pilots are second-rate at best. You can tell by the fact that they couldn't even beat Indian pilots, who are by and large are second or third rate in the world.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 11:36 am

Well, what is the US waiting for then. Just send over the carrier battle groups and start another illegal invasion.

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:41 am

No, later today, he's going to rape a woman, then force her to choose between life imprisonment and marrying him. Its the only way he can get a wife.

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:48 am

Hypocrisy: declaring another as uneducated because you *assume* they believe everything their elected officials tell them, denouncing patriotism and the like while simultaneously declaring how great the duped terrorists are for falling for the same tactics used by corrupt religious and political leaders that you "like".

Hahahaha- your a dumb-@$$

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Mike March 19, 2013 at 1:21 am

Interesting response, it clearly shows you to be a troll.

Your points are largely invalid because you provide no evidence to support them, you make accusations you can't back up, you insult or cast aspersions at people because you obviously can not counter their valid and legitimate arguments.

Your last paragraph is maybe something you should listen to… however I fear it is too late for you, because to everybody who has read your tirades you have removed all doubt and proven yourself to be an ignorant, self absorbed, petty, hateful, spiteful, bigoted, racist, idiot.

I feel sorry for you because it is clear to me that your life has very little meaning apart from trying to bring other people down to your level.

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shawn1999 March 18, 2013 at 11:53 am

Yes, after all, the US has practiced and planned many times mining the PERSIAN Gulf to cut off all trade through the area…. Oh wait, that's Iran. The US and Allies were practicing CLEARING Iran's attempts to close it. Sorry, I forgot the whole sea belongs to the Iranians. Oops, my bad again. It doesn't. ITS INTERNATIONAL. All Iran wants is the New Persian Empire under Muslim control

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 12:03 pm

HaHa. What an addicted propaganda junkie you are. I guess you read or listen to government propaganda 8 hours a day, and spend the next 8 hours posting propagandist crap.

What's your hourly rate? Above or below $10?

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 12:13 pm

HaHa. My advice to Mike applies doubly well to you. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. You are worse than a fool, of course. Right now you are acting like a ranting schizo. Have you been taking your medications on time?

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 2:04 pm

So how long was your training in false information and propaganda dissemination in the UAE?

If one of US allies calls Gulf of Mexico "Gulf of Texas", you would go along with it.

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STemplar March 18, 2013 at 2:12 pm

We wouldn't care because we aren't a bunch of irrational tools like you and the other Iranian fan boys here.

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OH NO March 18, 2013 at 3:14 pm

is it true your cowardly leader has a crush on achmed the dead terrorist?

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Jo the Nipper March 19, 2013 at 1:50 am

Probably not nearly as long as yours

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Infidel4LIFE March 18, 2013 at 2:15 pm

The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 5:13 pm

Are you doctor? If you are, then go back to "helping people." Attempting to asses someone's medical needs through a debate about Iran's military might is hardly correct medical practice. At least, according to the New England Journal of medicine.

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STemplar March 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm

No just read the period history around UN res 181.

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STemplar March 18, 2013 at 2:23 pm

I would op for a robust several week air campaign myself. Just bombing the nuke sites is pointless and honestly with some in operation would be an environmental boo boo imo. Probably an air mobile/airborne op would be better for that.

In any event I would say several weeks to destroy the Iranian air force, sink the navy, savage all the Revolutionary Guard cantonments, hit the intelligence facilities, definitely as many locations of the religious leadership as possible, and generally just destroy the regime from the air.

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skmall March 23, 2013 at 12:28 pm

The US will eventually. Don't worry about that. And the day that a US sniper picks off you, the world will be have a burden taken off.

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Paul March 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm

What would BlackOWL18 Do when presented with a cobra?
I think I'll hit the throttle and turn around pounce on Ivan with guns as its trying to regain speed/alt. Would that work BlackOWL? LOL

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Palestine crybaby March 18, 2013 at 3:04 pm

Wait a minute, isn't Restore Palestine really that paranoid little madman running iran (notice the lowercase, just for you palestine)?

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palestine blows March 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

sounds to me like he isn't the only listening to propoganda, eh litlle boy palestine?

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 3:27 pm

Talking to yourself? HaHa. You must have been playing your own psychiatrist, you ranting schizo.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 3:28 pm

What does it mean, infidel?

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blight_ March 18, 2013 at 3:38 pm

I suppose they would try to hit Dimona. But Dimona's a well-defended target, and would need a very modern AEW aircraft to spearhead an attack.

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STemplar March 18, 2013 at 3:44 pm

I'm sure the IAF would know they are coming and they'd be met in someone else's air space long before they got to Israel.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 3:47 pm

HaHa. My little "sand dwelling cowards"? You mean American troops in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, or Nevada, Texas, and New Mexico.

I don't own them as slaves, but I wouldn't mind if they volunteer. At least they will be doing something constructive when they are plowing my field instead of killing innocent women and children Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere.

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STemplar March 18, 2013 at 3:50 pm

As opposed to the heroes in Gaza firing unguided artillery rockets at civilian targets in Israel.

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Benjamin March 18, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Innocent people in Pakistan? Are you talking about the people who will burn down Christian homes because they are Christian or will defile the Quran just so they can blame an innocent child? Pakistan created the Taliban. The Taliban have been killing innocent Muslims throughout the Middle East (primarily Afghanistan, PAkistan and India) since the 1990's.

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blight_ March 18, 2013 at 3:55 pm

That's what I would think to. They shot down an IAF Mirage that went off course back in the day, so I'm sure Dimona is still defended airspace.

As for the probability of success, I'd call it low. Then again, on 9/10/2001 I would've called aircraft flying into WTC highly improbable…

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STemplar March 18, 2013 at 4:04 pm

I would think the incident in Oct probably got the Israelis to kick air defense up a notch, particularly at Dimona.

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Benjamin March 18, 2013 at 4:17 pm

The entire argument is a moot point because Iran does not have any Su-27's. The best plane they have is the F-14 and since we built it and flew it, we know many of its vulnerbilities better then the Iranians.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 5:01 pm

And the F-15 doesn't need a sales brochure. The unavoidable fact that you haven't argued about is the 104.5 victories to zero air to air losses. Oh, and USAF pilots will beat the crap out of any Iranian pilot. The only relatively good pilots in the Middle Eastern Theater would be the Israelis, who, by the way, fly the F-15.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 4:46 pm

I haven't heard anything about that. I do know that Israeli jets have repeatedly fired guided missiles at defenseless civilians in Palestine, killing scores of innocent women and children.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 4:59 pm

Thank you. Some sense.

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STemplar March 18, 2013 at 4:59 pm

Well of course you didn't hear about it since you've got your head firmly planted in your third point of contact.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Yeah. The Cobra basically pulls a plane from the relative small surface area for missiles to lock onto, to the massive surface area of the top of the aircraft. If anything, a Cobra could result in a mid-air collision. And that would be bad. In a Flanker. Remember, the F-15 did lose a main wing, and landed. Safely. With a supposedly low Israeli pilot at the control.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 5:06 pm

Ah yes. UNIT COST: 150 Million USD. Point proven. Match point.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 5:07 pm

May I ask, who is? Is it the Palestinians?

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 5:12 pm

Well, Monsieur Restore Palestine, shawn1999 has an excellent point. If you can't feed your people, then you are done. That is it. Iran is slightly better off then NK, but one par when it comes it military. No, lower, cause at least NK can make a nuke and missile, though low quality.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 5:16 pm

*Assess

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 5:22 pm

The fact that you say, "Well, I guess you have been smoking the same nice potent stuff" informs me that you are attempting to use personal remarks and insults to get a point across. Well it isn't going to help you. Try using some facts to debate, not worthless insults.

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blight_ March 18, 2013 at 8:16 pm

A Palestinian refers to the denizens of the land during Ottoman rule and shortly after the end of the empire and beginning of the mandate.

I think trusting the UN to give people land is a bad precedent. People would get brain aneurysms if the UN declared the Native Americans had rights to their land.

Once you open that New-World-Order can of worms there's no closing it…

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Prodozul March 18, 2013 at 8:25 pm

I stand corrected then

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D.W. March 18, 2013 at 9:32 pm

Wait. If gasoline burns through steel, why don't car engines disintegrate the second you turn them on, given they're made of steel and burn gasoline? If jet fuel can burn through steel, why are jet engines made with expensive stuff like titanium, molybdenum, magnesium, ceramics and so on?
You do admit you honestly have no idea… which might lead you to reevaluate your assumption about how much you know about jet fuel and metal. Just saying. :/

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D.W. March 18, 2013 at 9:34 pm

(Unless I'm misunderstanding and you're making the same argument I am.)

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D.W. March 18, 2013 at 10:00 pm

Yeah, it's got to be rough to be young, dumb, full of cum, and living in the Middle East.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:22 pm

Well, at least read what he or she has to say. It may not be nice, or correct, but give it a chance. "Restore Palestine" has views similar to Islamic EXTREMIST groups. Just pointing out that I am talking about Islamic terrorist groups, not Islamic people who are sadly blamed for much of the terrorist action in the world.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 10:44 pm

Why would that be relevant? All you need to know is that USAF pilots are by and large second rate.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 10:46 pm

delusional

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:02 pm

Yes I do. I happen to know that the US is currently one of the most influential countries in the world, while Palestine is what? As for the drug insult, it isn't legal in my state. And yes, you did use that drug reference as an insult. The "outlandish" cost for the F-22 is justified by its clear air superiority. No operational plane can out turn it, detect it, or shoot it down.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:08 pm

Well than who would be first rate? Russians? No. Canadians use F-18s, as do the Australians, so, just by their equipment, they must be terrible, if your idea that American equipment is terrible. Europeans? Well, the have to be second rate as they often show up with the USAF at Red Flag. According to your completely extravagant and correct knowledge, India is just full of elephants and terrible pilots and mechanics. China? Eh, no. Japan trains with USAF. Same with SK. NK pilots live off of grass. In the middle east, Israel, alright, but uses F-15s. Egypt, which is a military power in the Middle East, operates the inferior (supposedly) F-16s. Saudis used the F-15. And that cover many of the major, talked about air forces. Please then, tell me, WHO would be first rate?

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:17 pm

And the relevance is simple. If the most largest, most invested on air force in the world, the one that has operated legendary aircraft, is no first rate, then it does arise the question WHO IS?

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:08 pm

Proof?

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:18 pm

*Edit- grammatically, it would simply be largest, not most largest.

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Veng March 18, 2013 at 11:26 pm

You might have a point if car fuel is the same as jet fuel.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:29 pm

Gasoline and AV gas are different. They burn at different temperatures. That is basically what is being said here. Steel reacts differently when exposed to massive amounts of either, on fire. Also, you have to take into account all the fuel inside the buildings, such as furniture, computers, sadly, people, etc.

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 11:29 pm

"most influential" as in most invasive, indecent, infantile, indiscreet, insatiable, indebted, indigent, institutionalized, …

HaHa.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:33 pm

What, did you go to a dictionary and chose every word with the prefix in-? And most influential would be correct, whether you use your alliteration rant or my description. Also, economically, the US dollar is designed to be handled in variable quantities. It is what the world uses to compare each other. That sort of power, in Palestinian Power, might be corrupted. May I ask, just what exact country do you represent?

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Restore Palestine March 18, 2013 at 11:36 pm

I don't remember ever hearing a US pilot in F-15 winning a single match up against a Russian pilot in Su-27 or its derivatives.

I do remember hearing about US pilots getting downed in combat exercises by pilots from Canada, Britain, France, Germany, Chile, India, Australia, Brazil …

But then, you are just an amateur fan boy infatuated with specs of jets in brochures. Why would you care about any of that.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 18, 2013 at 11:52 pm

Firstly, I don't happen to own any brochures about these aircraft. I have books. Written by highly intelligent people. Now, I never claimed a 15 ever shot down a 27. A MiG-29, yes the F-15 took those down. But not a SU-27. The fact is that the SU-27 is using outdated equipment. And its pilots aren't as well trained. Those two limiting factors put the plane behind the F-15 in BVR combat. In dogfights, the Flanker does, most likely, hold an edge. Not, of course, with the Cobra Maneuver. But like I said. Radar contact comes first. Then the shooting. Then the fly by. Then the dogfight. If you die in the first shoot out, then you are out.

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Restore Palestine March 19, 2013 at 12:19 am

I represent justice, international law, truth, fairness, reason, … for the benefit of all people whose rights have been violated by the US government.

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Restore Palestine March 19, 2013 at 12:23 am

make it an exercise for you.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 19, 2013 at 12:31 am

Yet you promote suicide bombings. And you are a supporter of the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. All the things you listed are in the US constitution. I am not saying the US is perfect. But if you want to compare, the US is nothing. If you say the US is terrible, what country represents all these traits that you treasure and promote?

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USS ENTERPRISE March 19, 2013 at 12:33 am

My gosh man. You still haven't addressed the 104.5 victories to zero air to air loses the F-15 has. If my information is incorrect, then why is it that countries with Su-27s haven't invaded the US? If your theory is right, then it should be an easy fight.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 19, 2013 at 12:34 am

Eh? What?

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D.W. March 19, 2013 at 11:24 am

Oh, I'd just brought up gasoline because he'd mentioned it in that context. My main point is the use of high-temperature alloys in jet engines is evidence against the idea that jet fuel can't burn steel.

Sorry, I was really tired when posting last night, it doesn't make much sense rereading.

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UAVGeek March 19, 2013 at 11:29 am

It's a movie reference. Educate yourself.

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blight_ March 19, 2013 at 11:59 am

They're all against 'murica to me.

Or more eruditely, chances are the Saudis are only our friends out of convenience, and the man on the street has a number of reasons to hate America. In Iran America has been the Great Satan for imposing the Pahlavis, deposing Mossadegh and helping Iraq (though this does not stop Iran from buying weapons from the Russians, who armed Iraq in the '80s).

The major policy difference between Russia and the US is the Russians don't care for Israel the same way America does. Might this be the primary reason people hate 'murica in the Middle East?

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Sev March 19, 2013 at 3:04 pm

Apparently Al Jizzeera doesn't teach you about sarcasm. In any case, Arab or Persian, you ain't shit today. Free markets and free people win out over islamofacist theocracies any day.

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blight_ March 19, 2013 at 12:01 pm

Not quite. My images were of the old IIAF, not the IRIAF. But conceivably if Iran can keep the Boeings in good repair, and has a procurement chain that can keep it supplied with Boeing parts it isn't impossible. They obviously can keep F-4's in the air…and the Boeing 707 and 747 parts were probably easier to get.

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Benjamin March 19, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Some but not all

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STemplar March 19, 2013 at 1:58 pm

Nope, he just doesn't care what you think.

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STemplar March 19, 2013 at 2:01 pm

No, I read it in an interview from deputy cmmdr southern command. It is more than fantasy, it is a collection of nations renaming a body of water for the sole purpose of annoying the hell out of Iran and a few people posting here.

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Benjamin March 19, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Praetorian March 19, 2013 at 7:35 pm

Restore Palestine is actually a poster from last year Freefallingbomb.

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blight_ March 19, 2013 at 7:52 pm

Then ironically I was right 4 days ago?

"Thought none of the F-22's were stationed in the Mideast at the moment."

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crackedlensese March 20, 2013 at 2:52 pm

Or perhaps he is the ghost of "passingby".

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Restore Palestine March 20, 2013 at 9:35 pm

HaHa. Seriously, you should change to your name to "shyster1999"

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Sev March 21, 2013 at 1:17 am

Hey asshole, corporations (ya know things that provide goods or services that we voluntarily give our money to in exchange for) can't put a gun to your head and force you to buy their products. And Islamofacism=sharia law. WHere gays are murdered, women and non muslims have no rights. Every shit nation in the mideast is shitty because of Islam. Fucking Nazi lovers. The Muslim Brotherhood helped Hitler. Hamas praises Hitler. They do not want peace. They want death and destruction to all non muslims. Now fuck off Mohammed Cocksucker #1 billion and 1

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USS ENTERPRISE March 22, 2013 at 10:17 pm

Maybe you need to get your facts checked. You have already shown you have no idea of the aviation world, and I see no reason why you are any good in anything else. The reason why you claim US corporations are fascist and terrible because you are just jealous of the US economy's status. Corporations like Apple, Microsoft, etc, dominate the market place, simply because their products are just good. Also, all trade is considered in the dollar value. GDP is based on the dollar these days. The USD is so powerful that taking it out and stuffing, say the Chinese Yuan would destroy the world's economy. The US dominates the world market place. You want trade, go to Wall Street. And frankly, the only reason why any Middle Eastern countries hold any power is due to the huge oil reserves. But when the run out, and they will, the entire Middle East will collapse into a war that will easily kill millions.

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STemplar March 21, 2013 at 2:01 am

I think the author is well aware of the issue. I would say it is mostly intended as an intentional slap in the face of hyper sensitive r*tards like you and your islamo goon buddies.

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78stonewobble March 21, 2013 at 6:57 am

So… Factually incorrect and unable to self critique due to blaming everyone else.

No wonder the Palestinians are in such a bad shape.

But I have to ask you… If one american soldier killing innocents is somehow representative of the entire us population and their will. Why shouldn't the israelis just bomb the shit out of every palestinian building and be done with it?

If all it takes is one mad man to wilify all.

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Benjamin March 21, 2013 at 10:20 am

Please do tell how the zionist collabarated with Nazi germany beyond traitors?
The Palestinian leadership during the 1930's and 1940's supported Hitler. What zionist leader supported Hitler?
Does any Islamic country allow for there people to freely convert to another religion like the majority of Christian country's do? Are not all people who are not of the Islamic religion treated as second class citizens in Islamic countries?

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STemplar March 22, 2013 at 10:43 pm

Well using Palestine anything in a word won't get you taken seriously either, unless it is an analogy of a rock headed loser that chooses to live in squalor because he is too think to know when he is beaten, in which case you are all set.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 22, 2013 at 10:09 pm

Wow. You have really taken in that propaganda. Are you a proponent of "Restore Palestine"? Anyways, let me give some names. Boeing. Lockheed Martin. Northrop Grumman. General Atomics. NASA. Space X. All these companies/government programs have made greater strides in aviation than all of Iran. Let me ask, has Iran shipped and commercial aircraft? No. Military aircraft? Qaher 313? It looks like origami shape that went wrong. USA? Allow me to list some names: SR-71, F-22, F-35, F-4, which Iran flies, F-14, which Iran flies, F-15, F-16, F-18, C-17, C-5, AC-130, A-10, U-2, X-15, X-47, (actually, just all the X-planes, since listing them would be quite a long list), P-51, P-47, AWACS aircraft, tanker aircraft, B-52, B-1, B-2, B-36, B-29, B-17, B-25, XB-70, B-47, B-58, among others. But possibly the most important would be the Wright Flyer, which was the FIRST FUNCTIONAL, FLYING AIRCRAFT, which was built by two brothers/bicycle manufactures in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Circa 1903. USA leading the way forward in aviation.

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Free America March 26, 2013 at 6:14 pm

free Palestine

You are a disgrace to all haters of America. All you have done is insult and have not come up with a single factual statement. Mr. Free palestine, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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STemplar March 22, 2013 at 10:16 pm

Hahahaha, you've got the part in the Team America Broadway musical…….

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USS ENTERPRISE March 22, 2013 at 10:20 pm

American ignorance. Okay. What about your unequal treatment of women? That ignorant? Oh, and just so I know, where you "Restore Palestine"? You sound like an annoying version of that village idiot.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 22, 2013 at 10:40 pm

Oh, and to add to that list, some more aircraft, B707, B737, B747, B757, B767, B777, B787, MD-11, Apache helicopter, Cobra helicopter, "Huey" helicopter, Blackhawk helicopter, F-5 (used by Iran), Space Shuttle, Saturn V, Falcon Heavy, Delta IV Heavy, A-6, A-8, A-4, and I think that that gives you a small taster of the US aviation industry. And keep in mind, I still haven't listed all the aircraft USA has made.

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Praetorian March 22, 2013 at 11:41 pm

I do remember him as we'll, he thought the moon landing was faked, and 9/11 was an inside job.

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blight_ March 23, 2013 at 10:32 am

There are non-Muslim minorities who are the descendants of holdouts who weren't forcibly converted.

Persia was Zoroastrian before forcible en masse conversion/death. They didn't count as people of the book, so "NO JIZYA FOR YOU"

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Benjamin March 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm

You need to ask yourself what is the penalty for converting from Islam to any other faith in an Islamic country? The answer is death.

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STemplar March 23, 2013 at 11:42 am

Is pig ignorance different than Palestinian ignorance? I'm pretty sure the average pig would figure out long before 2/3 of a century had passed that he was a beaten.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 23, 2013 at 12:16 pm

Alright, then, genius. Tell me, what Iranian aircraft has been exported that is in great use? I don't know what kind of idiot would think Iran has a greater aviation industry. I listed a lot of US made aircraft. Iran, has what? Qaher 313 doesn't count, cause it isn't an airplane. Its a hopeless piece of junk. The great Iran uses US aircraft in its own air force. You simply can't argue with that. US is greater in aviation than Iran, no matter what century.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 23, 2013 at 12:27 pm

Both of which have been cleared up as actual events. What an utter idiot, "Restore Palestine", almost on par with "free Palestine" who claims that US's aviation industry is terrible compared to Iran.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 23, 2013 at 5:01 pm

Oh I am sorry. I just thought that Iran, since it has tiny aviation sector, must be better. I was just disproving any chance of you trying to claim Iran's supremacy in the air, which it doesn't have. I would like to see, from in your own words, a description of the Iranian aviation sector, and how it compares to the US. Since obviously, I am not qualified.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 23, 2013 at 7:55 pm

I just assumed it was kinda obvious. I mean it does say IIAF on the side.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 23, 2013 at 10:15 pm

Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm on the first and last line. I want to hear from YOU about the Iranian aviation industry. I prefer hearing the all the propaganda first and then fact checking. I don't take orders from little hypocrites who attempt to assess someone from a handful of comments.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 26, 2013 at 10:48 am

How about CNN? A dove a peace, that picture. How long did that take? And how is that representative of Palestine? In fact, how does that represent you or the Middle East?

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Benjamin March 27, 2013 at 2:28 pm

If you walked out the front door of your cave, you may realize you are wrong

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USS ENTERPRISE March 26, 2013 at 8:03 pm

Oh, well you see, I wanted the best information from an expert. But you have NO information to give me. Pretty sad and humiliating.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 26, 2013 at 9:43 pm

Ah yes, you mean the American operated Google Search engine. Right. Actually, I did some foreshadowing reading about Iranian air industry. I was not impressed. Stealing some Air Hog R/C aircraft from stores and then painting a little bit of grey paint on them and claiming them to be the next weapon that will slay US aircraft. Ha. Iran may have an aviation sector, but its a joke. You could give them an F-22, and all they would do would stand around and claim their greatness, rather than try to figure the inside workings. US aviation>Iran aviation. Fact.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 26, 2013 at 10:42 pm

Wow. You must be a really boring person if you sat down and wrote all that. Thanks, but I think you would be qualified for CEO. Of wait, that job requires intelligence, and you clearly lack that. As for Asia not having any crap in politics, one country. North Korea. Simple as freaking that. Oh, and you can't talk colleges. Ivy league takes down any Taliban training camp. When it comes to ignorance, cruelty, spam, hateful, distasteful, horrible, worthless, junk filled, propaganda loving, Neo-nazism beliefs and thoughts, you tear the room down. Let me ask, what country has the misfortune to claim you as a citizen. From your attitude, I say Pakistan.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 26, 2013 at 10:46 pm

Oh, and I like how you dodge each question about Palestine by throwing up worthless insults. You use the same comments, over and over. Good for nothing IED maker. I would hate to have you be part of my workforce, but judging from your comments, I doubt you have a job to even discuss. US>Palestine. There. I said it. Now go throw up some more of your single-minded, foolish, racist, violent, oppressive, criminal comments up.

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Restore Palestine March 27, 2013 at 2:03 am

Indian BS or just BS?

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Restore Palestine March 27, 2013 at 2:05 am

BS. You obviously know nothing about what's going on in the region.

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Restore Palestine March 27, 2013 at 2:17 am

Guess it's fair to say that you are a source of America's war crime and mass murders abroad.

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Restore Palestine March 27, 2013 at 2:18 am

keep BS'ing.

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Restore Palestine March 27, 2013 at 2:35 am

But you are obviously educated enough to lecture others on the definition of "hypocrasy", eh shyster1999?

What's your definition of "shyster"?

BTW, your post presents an excellent example of the effects of "brainwashing". Thanks.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 27, 2013 at 2:02 pm

Well than maybe Iran should stop using the airplane, as that was an American invention.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 27, 2013 at 2:05 pm

Okay, so you didn't say that. But then what is your miserable point? Iran has a terrible aviation sector. There. US aviation sector>Iranian aviation sector. Whether or not you want to say that.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 27, 2013 at 2:06 pm

9/11. Mass murder abroad. By none other than al-Quada.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 27, 2013 at 2:12 pm

Neither. Its called scientific fact.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 27, 2013 at 2:14 pm

I think that the person under the influence of a brainwashing is you.

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Benjamin March 27, 2013 at 2:37 pm

There "single-minded, foolish, racist, violent, oppressive, criminal comments up" are the only thing they are taught in school.

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Restore Palestine March 28, 2013 at 2:15 am

HaHa. Let's take a look at the deeds of your beloved NATO Crime Syndicate:

NATO air raid kill Four Afghan children

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/03/27-6

It's called War Crime, understand BS Enterprise?

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USS ENTERPRISE March 27, 2013 at 4:41 pm

Bing and Yahoo are American owned as well. That covers the major ones. Working out the insides of AMERICAN aircraft. Alright. No credits for that. Stuffing in Iranian crap into American aircraft doesn't mean a thing. Show me a comparable aircraft to any American aircraft Iran has made.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 28, 2013 at 10:35 am

You better believe it. I am quite ignorant about Iranian aviation, cause they have effectively NO aviation sector. As for educating myself, I don't see myself trying to free a lost culture.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 28, 2013 at 10:44 am

Okay. You want to pull out causalities? Four children were killed by the Taliban when they attacked a school bus in Pakistan. http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/south-asia/f
Eight people were killed by the Taliban in the Peshwar region of Pakistan. Six of those eight were children. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201
17 Afghani soldiers killed by the Taliban :http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/world/asia/taliban-kill-17-afghan-soldiers.html?_r=0
Roughly 3,000 people were killed by al-Qaeda on the day of September 11, 2001. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Se
There you have it. NATO syndicate my foot.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 28, 2013 at 10:47 am

As for understanding war crimes, that is exactly what terrorist attacks are. War crimes. You can never lecture the people of NATO or the UN about war crimes, not until you look at true war crimes, like the Holocaust and 9/11. I frankly don't know who you are, but I can faithfully tell your shriveled mass that you don't know what war crimes are. You have never seen the footage of 9/11 or the Holocaust. How can you throw around the deaths of innocent lives to help you fuel your paranoid conspiracy ridden ideals? Absolutely disgusting.

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Benjamin March 28, 2013 at 12:58 pm

Restore Palestine, are you saying that Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia have never committed a war crime or are you just refusing state that they have? I am freely willing to state that people from the U.S. have committed War crimes. Do have the courage to admit the truth that the organizations and countries you support have?

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Benjamin March 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm

Iran has not produced an aircraft other then what is an indirect copy of U.S. aircraft

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USS ENTERPRISE March 28, 2013 at 8:02 pm

Ha. You are a sad, sad terrorists.

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Benjamin March 29, 2013 at 1:31 pm

Free Palestine, Try reading Aviation Weekly

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USS ENTERPRISE March 28, 2013 at 8:05 pm

He has only one goal in life. That is to put down the US as much as possible. To bad he has failed. US does have war crimes. But at least the US doesn't plant explosives that are planned to kill innocent children. Yes, some may have been killed in drone attacks. But we didn't crash aircraft into buildings.

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Restore Palestine March 29, 2013 at 2:24 am

BS ENTERPRISE, don't abuse the word "we".

Americans, whether civilians or not, have crashed aircraft into buildings. 9/11 is an example.

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Restore Palestine March 29, 2013 at 2:33 am

BS "Free America", you are the one who has been posting insult, not "free Palestine"

"free Palestine" has been posting facts and rational arguments.

I doubt that you actually understand words like "insult" and "disgrace"

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USS ENTERPRISE March 29, 2013 at 11:23 am

You are probably the same people, free palestine and Restore palestine. Facts like 9/11 and the Apollo missions were a hoax. Man you must have failed school, that is assuming you attended.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 29, 2013 at 11:27 am

Oh my god. How dumb can the human brain get. Recordings from passengers aboard Flight 93 prove that Islamic groups forcefully took control of the aircraft and attempted to crash the plane into either the White House or Congress. But the courageous, passengers weren't having that, so they sacrificed themselves and crashed the plane into the ground. Attacks were carried out by al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Members of both organizations have came out and confessed. The only dumber thing you can say now is that you don't feel sorry for the people who died that day.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 29, 2013 at 11:28 am

In what position are you in to tell people they know nothing?

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Benjamin March 29, 2013 at 1:27 pm

You can the as much truth at a conspiracy theorist like "Restore Palestine" but they will not listen. Where every normal human being sees light, they will only see darkness

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USS ENTERPRISE March 29, 2013 at 8:00 pm

Ha. Alright, I declare this argument as lost for you, and a win for me and America. You have finally found your stupidity.

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Restore Palestine March 29, 2013 at 8:01 pm

I am in a position where I can easily tell that people with average IQ will have little trouble drawing the same conclusions about posts from you and your ilk.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 29, 2013 at 8:01 pm

Try using to not be dumb. But that's a tall order for you.

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USS ENTERPRISE March 29, 2013 at 8:05 pm

Sir, your IG is lower than room temperature. Your hateful talk is worthless. Now go back to the battlefield. Oh wait, if you do that, a US drone might pick you off. Dipstick.

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Restore Palestine March 29, 2013 at 8:06 pm

You misspelled again. It's not "scientific fact", but "stinking fart"

Please don't ever use the words "scientific" or "fact" again until you finish elementary school and junior high.

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Restore Palestine March 29, 2013 at 8:06 pm

You misspelled again. It's not "scientific fact", but "stinking fart"

Please don't ever use the words "scientific" or "fact" again until you finish elementary school and junior high.

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Restore Palestine March 29, 2013 at 8:12 pm

"al-Quada"? Never heard of it. Is that some organization invented by illiterate Indians and the murderous CIA?

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Restore Palestine March 30, 2013 at 12:28 am

BS ENTERPRISE. Judging by your analytic reasoning and English writing skills, you must have been afraid to even set foot in a classroom, that is assuming you were actually accepted at a secondary school. HaHa.

How many detentions did you receive in elementary school in India?

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USS ENTERPRISE April 1, 2013 at 12:55 pm

Re-read my comments. I have sufficient proof. I have proven that if anyone here has committed war crimes, its that terrorist organizations behind attacks like 9/11.

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Free America April 2, 2013 at 1:29 pm

I scoff at your claim that Americans are ignorant. It is laughable to me that you believe the WTC bombings were an inside job. Even though there are thousands of videos showing the planes flying into the buildings. Can you please reiterate to me how the buildings came down? And why the inferno caused by the planes is not how they came down. I need a good laugh today…at your expense.

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USS ENTERPRISE April 2, 2013 at 6:13 pm

'Bout time someone sets this person straight.

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USS ENTERPRISE April 3, 2013 at 11:00 am

Here is some "little we know". Palestine won't be freed. It will die out, as there are people like you how are "fighting" for its own "freedom". You will all fall. US is not against Islam, but Islam extremists. And that is exactly what you are. A blackmailing little terrorist. Who spits out propaganda. And lies. Which is the same thing really.

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Free America April 3, 2013 at 2:32 pm

So, per your claims, many Americans are ignorant about the rest of the world. How can you make a comment about 325 million people from a sampling of 10? 20? 100? 1,000? Mr "KING OF BLANKET STATEMENTS" You have repeated yourself time and time again. You have officially lost this debate because of your outlandish claims and furthermore, you have not said one truth. What news channel should we watch? Where do you get your news (that is always 100% accurate). You are full of insults and spew hate…classic extremist. You are irrelevant and your cause will not succeed. Deal with it and try to have a better time with this life or hurry up and blow yourself up to get your 40 virgins, rivers of wine and your paradise because we do not need you here. And please, do not have children!

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USS ENTERPRISE April 3, 2013 at 3:21 pm

WAY TO GO. No, really. Your stereotyping, palestine, is pretty bad. What next? Fortune cookies are from China?!

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USS ENTERPRISE April 3, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Oh, by the way, LOTS of sarcasm on that that fortune cookie joke.

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USS ENTERPRISE April 26, 2013 at 10:32 pm

What?

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