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First Osprey Arrives at Marine One Squadron

by Mike Hoffman on May 2, 2013

Osprey3The President’s Marine helicopter squadron received the first of 12 MV-22 Ospreys on April 5, although the president will not be traveling aboard the tilt-rotor aircraft with the checkered early flight history.

The Ospreys that join the Marine Helicopter Squadron One fleet will carry presidential support staff and the media rather than the President of the United States.

Marines will paint the Ospreys in the squadron green. The VH-3D Sea King and VH-60 White Hawks that carry the president are painted white on top and called “white tops.”

The Marines started flight operations with the Osprey on April 26, however the tilt-rotor aircraft will not start carrying reporters and presidential support staff until later in 2013, according to the Marine announcement.

HMX-1 is based at Marine Corps Base Quantico in Virginia.

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USS ENTERPRISE May 2, 2013 at 4:52 pm

Can't wait to see the squadron green on this beast. Even though it doesn't transport the president: Tilt Rotor One


Anonymous May 2, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Just imagine the PR disaster that will happen if one of these crash carrying support staff/media – or even the POTUS at some point in the future.


USS ENTERPRISE May 3, 2013 at 8:17 am

The POTUS won't fly on board the V-22. Just his support staff.


charles May 3, 2013 at 5:03 pm

Just imagine the PR disaster that will happen if any aircraft crashes carrying the support staff/media for the POTUS. If they are good enough to carry Marines into combat they are good enough to carry anyone anywhere.


Gary Lockhart May 9, 2013 at 1:53 am

There's no PR disaster any time one of Sikorsky's H-60 Crashhawks fails to autorotate, yet again, and the media and geniuses like you fail to note that HMX-1 operates eight VH-60Ns


greg May 2, 2013 at 5:59 pm

Just another freakin waste of taxpayer dollars. Only the best for Obama and his stooges. LOL!


sheeple May 2, 2013 at 6:06 pm

You are an idiot.

Pentagon officials on Friday stopped work on a costly new presidential helicopter despite efforts by the contractors and their supporters in Congress to salvage part of the project.

The helicopters seemed destined for cancellation ever since President Obama described the project as “an example of the procurement process gone amok.”


Ben May 2, 2013 at 6:47 pm

Heh. Yeah, like that fleet of souped up Augusta Westlands that we were about to switch to but decided to sell to Canada at a loss? Scrapping a failing program that was made necessary by a stupid decision still leaves them as idiots in the end.


kcw May 3, 2013 at 11:59 am

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the new presidential helicopter fleet was started by the previous administration?


6113 May 3, 2013 at 1:02 pm

Yes it was. I was on that program for the last 2 yrs of it when it got the axe. The last 6 months, there abouts, were under this current administration.

yogiberra111 May 4, 2013 at 9:59 am

Giving him facts will only confuse him.


charles May 3, 2013 at 5:07 pm

Greg you need to rethink what you said. Do you think he is going to take them with him when he leaves office. I"m sure POTUS doesn't care what he flyes in its up to the military to make sure he is flying in something thats safe and not so out of date that it can no longer be supported.


maple May 4, 2013 at 12:29 am

but the plane is not safe; it has a real bad record.

and it's expensive.


USS ENTERPRISE May 6, 2013 at 7:04 pm

Uhm. It did have a bad record, but it was a RECORD. New improvements have made it substantially safer than before. As for expensive, well, better than starting from scratch.


Thomas May 7, 2013 at 6:21 pm

The Opsprey was authorize well before President Obama came into office. Congress and the President approves DOD budgets, but the DOD decides on what it needs for the Armed Forces. Know your history.


Richard Wallace May 15, 2014 at 10:38 am

Dead-center Bullseye!


Davis May 2, 2013 at 6:05 pm

Osprey enters the big leagues! Nice!


Nadnerbus May 2, 2013 at 6:14 pm

I like how it's not safe enough yet for the President to fly in, but staff and media, go right ahead.

I'm sure once they get a good record going, that restriction will be lifted, but I don't know that I would want to be the test monkey.


FormerDirtDart May 3, 2013 at 1:15 pm

The President didn't fly on the CH-46s that the Osprey is replacing either.
Context is everything.


Jake May 9, 2013 at 1:47 am

Actually, the 46 out of MCAS "Santa Ana" was made available for Nixon to get to his "Western White House" at San Clemente back in '69.


USS ENTERPRISE May 3, 2013 at 5:03 pm

Well, I mean this is the POTUS. They aren't just going to let him fly on a "problematic" air frame. It wouldn't work for the him to ride around in (lets be honest) a tank, but fly on the "troubled" V-22.


jamesb May 2, 2013 at 6:25 pm


the link you provided is from 2009….

Here is some history on the CANCALLED VH-71 debacle…..


Adam May 5, 2013 at 2:07 pm

If you're going to highlight something in ALL CAPS, SPELL IT RIGHT!


Tim May 7, 2013 at 5:55 pm

I wondered what military jargon CANCALLED was, now i know.


jamesb May 2, 2013 at 6:31 pm

The chopper you see above is for transporting SUPPORT assets….

The President is still flying in a chopper that is from when he was in college….
Someone on here might have the update info….
But I beleieve there is NOTHING in the works for a new chopper….

The Augusta-Westland chopper was bigger, faster and had 3 engines …
The Skosky wasn't even built when they lost the contest to supply ALL the 23 helo's…..

I'd bet somehow….
Someway they will get the contract sometime in the future
Even if their Helo is inferior….

I repeat…
The US taxpayer paid like $3 Bil for Agusta to sell rejected choppers to Canada that I believe Obama keeps riding in a VERY OLD Marine One….


DanS May 2, 2013 at 6:47 pm

You're right nothing is currently in the works. The Secret Service was largely to blame with the last replacement debacle. They tried to load the thing up with just about anything they could think of, creating an underpowered/overweight mess.


blight_ May 2, 2013 at 6:54 pm

Why does the president need to command a war from a helicopter again?

SS doesn't know, but just in case…


USS ENTERPRISE May 2, 2013 at 7:20 pm

He has the nuclear football at all times, so….. Joking aside, though, fair point. The short rides on the helicopter from, lets be honest, White House lawn to Andrews, is hardly long enough for a war to break out. He can deal with it at either the House, or the flying House. All he needs is to be able to be informed.


USS ENTERPRISE May 2, 2013 at 8:34 pm

Good point. The POTUS can control a war from both landing zones that this helicopter flies, for the most part (the White House, and the Flying White House).


6113 May 3, 2013 at 1:08 pm

It wasn't just the SS to blame. NAVAIR, and LM had a lot to do with it also, not to mention the nightmare that ITAR was, just to get parts from Agusta Westland in the UK. From the top down this thing didn't have much of a chance.

FYI: Sikorsky did have, and still has an S-92 mocked up and ready to go if they ever restart the program.


Ben May 2, 2013 at 6:49 pm

Exactly. Those Augusta Westlands were not only badass but they were built and ready to go! The person that made the decision to sell those to Canada should have been shot.


ONTIME May 5, 2013 at 7:55 pm

I'm not so sure this clown was in college since all his records are under legal restraint….what was his GPA?


maple May 6, 2013 at 11:41 am

You mean Obama? He was allegedly a C-average student.


USS ENTERPRISE May 6, 2013 at 7:01 pm

Well, he is president. Everyone here had a chance to get him out of office.


Jamesb May 2, 2013 at 9:45 pm

Gates cancelled the order….

HE was following orders……

The Sec Serv and WH Military Office comment was on point….


I'm sure Congress wasn't pleased that Marine One Helo's would be a English/French creation even they where put together in upstate New York….


6113 May 3, 2013 at 1:12 pm

All of the 71s we had here at the time were not built in the US. They all came straight from the UK. The plan was to build them in the US, after the first ten test A/C were delivered and then missiopnized in upstate New York.


USS ENTERPRISE May 3, 2013 at 6:34 pm

Well, that was probably some motivation in the cancellation. Also, maybe AgustaWestland simply couldn't keep up with all the requests asked for by the US.


IKnowIT May 2, 2013 at 11:06 pm

Pretty stupid; the POTUS chopper cant even keep up with them. But maybe they will use that to justify even more new choppers, since this is nothing but a publicity stunt on the part of USMC..


6113 May 3, 2013 at 1:13 pm

Yeah…you have no idea what you're talking about. Thanks for playing…


geno September 20, 2013 at 11:14 pm

saw helo and 3 ospreys flying together today in nyc


Uncle Bill May 2, 2013 at 11:27 pm

Ah come on. Let him ride on it. On the roof.


Ricky of Ohio. May 3, 2013 at 12:35 am

One bad arse photo right there.


John May 3, 2013 at 1:14 am

Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard Augusta Westlands was selected by Bush administration as a reward for backing US in invading Iraq. Obviously not the only reason but it was a part of the reward US dangled while asking for support from some European nations.

This was done despite the fact that some knew the Augusta Westlands was just not big enough for the requested addon equipment. The cost spiraled out of control due to the weight issue, hence the cancellation…


creekview_al May 3, 2013 at 3:53 pm

Never confuse the folks on this board by posting facts.Most are only interested in opinions from the Bubble or whatever Bush and Cheney were living in.


walkerny May 3, 2013 at 9:08 am

All the Helicopters do is transport the President to locations in the DC area, most often to Air Force one at Andrews. The White Tops are across the river in Anacostia, at a secure facility on Bolling AFB. When I worked at DIA I watched them practice takeoff and landings. great pilots. No I see no reason short trip helicopters need be crammed with the latest and greatest.


Eric May 3, 2013 at 9:21 am

Not really true. They take the helos all over the country to stage ahead of AF1. Sometimes they fly, sometimes they put them on a larger transport plane.

Also they are located in Marine Corps Base Quantico in Virginia as the article says. The base you are referring to is a stopping point and not where the helos are stationed.


FormerDirtDart May 3, 2013 at 1:26 pm

I was waiting to depart Kosovo 2001 and watched while three VH-60s brought in by C-17s and reassembled at Pristina Air Base.


USS ENTERPRISE May 3, 2013 at 5:05 pm

Could the V-22 carry the "Beast" around? I know there wouldn't be much use for it, but I suppose it could fly it around…..


FormerDirtDart May 6, 2013 at 2:37 pm

I would say no. You can't fit something as wide as a M151 jeep inside, and I really don't see sling-loading a limousine around as a viable option, and I'm assuming the car weighs less than 20.000 lbs

oblatt1 May 3, 2013 at 9:35 am

Osprey: not good enough for the President, but adequate for his luggage.

Just a marine PR stunt.


USS ENTERPRISE May 3, 2013 at 6:32 pm

Marines don't pull PR stunts. His chiefs of staff and assistants are hardly luggage.


Dave May 3, 2013 at 10:34 am
jamesb May 3, 2013 at 10:35 am


Your statement is NOT correct….

While most people JUST see the WH departure and arrival's those helo's go almost EVERYWHERE the President goes…packed up in C-17's or C-5a's if need be….

It is far easier to have the President fly OVER traffic and bad unsecured area's then to motorcade….

But the comment about a helo NOT being Air Force One is correct….

There should be NO Need to put the same Commo Capability in his helo as in the airplane…further more in THIS day and age a smaller unit could be carried in a laptop that plugs into the helo's antenna's….

Tell people they are working for the President and they go off the chard in spending….


RVN11B May 3, 2013 at 11:03 am

If this President had any balls, er, integrity, he would over rule the decision for him not to ride on the Osprey. Leaders lead by example. But then if he is the clucking bird defecation sort of person then he will just smile and wave and go on as usual.


Dr. Horrible May 3, 2013 at 12:19 pm

This was a pretty dumb comment.


yogiberra111 May 4, 2013 at 10:11 am

You are generous.


Joe May 3, 2013 at 11:48 am

Sequesteration what?


Barry May 3, 2013 at 12:10 pm

President Obama has flown on Ospreys, both in Iraq and in Afghanistan.


FormerDirtDart May 3, 2013 at 1:28 pm

I know he did while he was a Senator, but has he since being President?


SJE May 6, 2013 at 11:06 am

I've seen pictures. so I believe so.


Greg May 3, 2013 at 1:35 pm

Is the President going to need a dedicated Amphibious Assault Ship next? The President can't go get a cheeseburger with it costing the taxpayers a few million bucks.


USS ENTERPRISE May 3, 2013 at 6:29 pm

Why? Never mind. Let me ask you then. Say you have to transport a man that has almost direct control over the most powerful military in the world, has the launch codes to the second largest nuclear arsenal, and has knowledge about black projects about who knows what across from his armored home to his armored plane. Would you A) clog up the roads with a +30 plus car procession, or B) take a helicopter directly to the airport?


SJE May 6, 2013 at 11:08 am

DC is already clogged without VIPs, and when a VIP is going anywhere, it snarls traffic for miles. I've been stuck waiting for what I assume is POTUS, and it was about 15 minutes of waiting while 30 or so cars and motorbikes moved through.


maple May 6, 2013 at 11:48 am

Obama does not have direct control of the military. He couldn't even shut down the Guantanamo concentration camp and other secret CIA torture centers abroad.


USS ENTERPRISE May 6, 2013 at 7:00 pm

Uhm. He can launch nuclear missiles WITHOUT the consent of congress (the effect would be war, just sayin'), and the president can direct the military to attack, or occupy, or whatever, in any region of the world, for 90 days, without Congressional consent.


Old Gunny May 3, 2013 at 2:06 pm

Hey oblatt & iknow….Corps doesn't need PR or stunts … We just follow orders & do what we do. Kill people & destroy shit!!! But for the record….I wish that SOB thats in the White House now would've taken a test flight in one of the early model Ospreys!!


Dr. Horrible May 3, 2013 at 2:30 pm

This too.


jamesb May 3, 2013 at 5:15 pm

Barry I believe the MV-22 rides was when Obama was a senator……

IF I have this right …..the only OTHER Helo he's been in was a Army One Chinnok in and out of Afghanistan a year or two ago on one of his secret trips….


USS ENTERPRISE May 3, 2013 at 5:52 pm

Hmmm. So yes, the V-22 will be added to the presidential (and associates) fleet. A first step in modernizing the entire fleet. Anyone know if the next Air Force One will be a 787 or 747-8?


jamesb May 13, 2013 at 10:35 pm

The Secret Service requires FOUR engines for Air Force One….
And I believe several years of a type….

Since the 747-8 is a B-747 I think they copuld get a bye on the years in service….
No way a Airbus A/C is gonna get chosen….

But if they give upgrades for Sec of State and VP….
(They COULD use wide-body A/C)
787's would be a logical choice….
The Def Sec flys in 747 Command A/C


STemplar May 3, 2013 at 7:09 pm

Waste of money. The Ospreys serve a purpose but an $80 million dollar support ferry for the POTUS entourage is not it.


USS ENTERPRISE May 3, 2013 at 8:04 pm

Uh. Okay. So the current fleet is being modernized. What would you have them fly? Blackhawks? That old Agusta-Westland heli THAT WAS CANCELED?


faa A&p mech May 3, 2013 at 10:01 pm

many comments here have really the taken the great photo out context… an for thos that dont know the osperey is great invention,, how evr is very cramped i stand 5'6" an 130lbs..n i walked in an out no problem, a person much taller will have a neck an aheadache…

FAA A&P Mech…


Laney Prately May 3, 2013 at 10:09 pm

1) Stop calling the Osprey "troubled", I'll grant you "once troubled". But costs are down, readiness is up, and safety is not longer a question (at least from those who can examine statistics objectively).
2) The V-22 is a replacement for the CH-46, which HMX-1 operated 14. These Osprey's are direct replacements.
3) Did anyone complain when the Prez didn't fly on HMX-1's CH-46s?
4) It doesn't make sense to equip the V-22 for the Prez when we have to helicopters already equipped. VIP cabin (besides the fancy seat covers the HMX V-22s will get), extra EMP hardening, add'l comms, etc etc.


OldQuanticoMarine May 3, 2013 at 11:55 pm

And why doesn't the Pres ride in V-22s. HMX tested them a decade ago and found them unsafe. This is why VMX-22 was formed, so that tiltrotor pilots could validate their success. Meanwhile, the fleet Marines demanded more CH-53Es, which are the same size as the V-22, but can carry three times more just as far, and can land in dirt LZs (without a five hour washdown between missions). So they pulled the CH-53Es from Quantico and sent them to Afghanistan, rather send more than 10 V-22s, which were limited to simple had surface STOL trash haul missions, and replaced them with V-22s.


oblatt1 May 4, 2013 at 4:36 am

Indeed the marines are now crying about how they don't have enough helicopters now that they blew the budget on the Osprey. Without the Osprey the marines would have been able to afford a fleet of helicopters and short landing aircraft that would have provided 6 to 10 times the capability.

Marines will die because they cant get evac soon enough – all because the marines need to look good in Michael Bay movies. And the marines will tell you how happy they are with that tradeoff.


johnvarry May 5, 2013 at 12:11 pm

Marines were supposed to get AH-1W's and UH-1N's rebuilt into AH-1Z Viper, and UH-1Y Venom. Combat losses and general attrition have reduced numbers of airframes with low enough hours for rebuild.

New airframes are in production but there have also been some snags with the upgrades. I believe these are related to overheating airframe components hear engine exhaust related to higher output engines, reducing IR signature, problems with self sealing tanks, and transmission and rotor cuffs not meeting service life expectations. are behind schedule and over budget. The all new modern version of the Cobra attack helo and Huey are having problems.

The first CH-53K was delivered for ground tests in 2012 and so far the CH-53K seems to be on time and on budget.


Joe May 4, 2013 at 2:25 pm

And 12 more ospreys that could have been used to support combat operations somewhere….

cant wait until all the admirals and generals want one for transport. waste of cash.


USS ENTERPRISE May 4, 2013 at 3:13 pm

Uhhh. 12 Ospreys have been "taken" from service. The US has over 140 V-22s, so 12, I doubt, will make a difference. Also, these weren't taken from the military; they were ordered separately (correct me if I am wrong, of course).


jamesb May 4, 2013 at 5:32 pm

He, he, he…..

Just in time, eh?

New Marine One Helo Bid goes out…. http://www.politicaldog101.com/2013/05/04/new-mar


Joshua May 4, 2013 at 7:03 pm

Eventually you will see Ospreys in the Marine 1 and Marine 2 roll. Since the early issues in develop meant and the pilots have basically relearned how to fly that hybrid monster the Osprey actually has an amazing safety record. And lets face it Marine 1 won't be flying into and landing in the extreme brown out conditions the plagued the Osprey early in The Stan and Iraq. Also from a taxpayer's stand point a V V-22 (I think that would be the designation of the VIP model) would be a very cost effective option. Due to the speed and the range Marine 1 could feasibly replace Air Force 1 on short trips in the states and on foreign trips once Air Force 1 touches down. No more would the President have to spend A million plus dollars of tax payer money for the 1 1/2 flight to New York or other areas on the East Coast.


mogul May 19, 2013 at 2:14 pm

I agree. Future presidents will make the trip to New York via V-22 in the near future for all the reasons you suggest (cost, time in the air, etc.). The V-22 should have the inside track for the future marine one contract should everything goes well with these new Ospreys.


jamesb May 5, 2013 at 12:02 am


The primary helo's on the bid will be the

S-96 Sikorsky
W -101 Augusta -Westland
H-47 – Boeing Chinnok….

The V-22 isn't listed in the first cut so far…..

Check the PDog link….


jamesb May 5, 2013 at 12:03 am

A Helo replace Air Force One?

Wake Up Joshua…..


Joshua May 5, 2013 at 7:08 pm

I never said it would. All I said it would be a cost effective alternative for short trips. Who needs a 2 747's and all the other shit that travels for a trip of a couple hundred miles?


STemplar May 6, 2013 at 1:08 am

Unless of course the nation experiences a terrorist attack and now POTUS has to be moved to locations undetermined, facing contingencies unknown, and maintain reliable contact with strategic US forces. Other than that he/she could take a cab.


maple May 6, 2013 at 11:51 am

Nonsense. Was JFK assassination a terrorist attack?


USS ENTERPRISE May 6, 2013 at 6:58 pm

A cab? You know how expensive that is?! Eh, also, what country would/can attack Washington DC directly (as in no nukes)? Nuclear attacks are dealt with by taking the president to the White House bunker (yes, it has one), or, possibly putting him onto Air Force one. Any other attacks, well, would require you to enter US waters quite far out, and I am confident that DC's defense are quite capable.


USS ENTERPRISE May 6, 2013 at 6:57 pm

Well. Marine One sometimes serves the duty of traveling a few miles.


Joe May 5, 2013 at 5:12 pm

Why won't the current resident of the white house travel by Osprey? He expects thousands of military members to travel this way. I also seem to recall that the UH-60 Blackhawk had such a rough start that it was called the "CRASHHAWK" when it first came online. Hmmm, nothing like a double standard.


6113 May 7, 2013 at 7:42 am

It's not like he, or any other President will never fly in one of these ever, it's that they will never land on the White House lawn. The rotor wash and exhaust will tear up everything. Trees and bushes will be blown over and the grass will be burned once they get on short final. Plus the approach is really tight, so there's not much room for error.


jamesb May 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm

those ARE some big assed propellers……


mogul May 19, 2013 at 2:21 pm

The V-22 can take off from a near by roof top next to the White House. It would even be more secure than the White House lawn.


6113 May 7, 2013 at 12:55 pm

The article left out a few important details like the fact that the Marine Corps doesn't fly Ch-46s or Ch-53Ds anymore. The V-22 is replacing both of those aircraft in the fleet now. The V-22s going to HMX-1 are replacing the Ch-53Es and CH-46s that are part of HMX "green side" fleet, meaning they will primarily fly support for the "white side" aircraft.


jamesb May 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm

Correct in the FUTURE….

The piece points out the Marines are getting their FIRST Osprey…..

It will take a bit to get an all suport Marine One Op up and running….


Gary Lockhart May 9, 2013 at 2:11 am

There are five HMM squadrons in the FMF still flying the CH-46 – 4 active and 1 reserve, not to mention the PEDRO birds. A total of approximately 60 aircraft. Transition to the Osprey will be completed in October 2015.


jamesb May 9, 2013 at 1:29 pm

Thanks Gary…..

Maybe by 2015 we'll have choice on the primary Marine One Helo's?


ParaMarine May 9, 2013 at 11:44 am

We should have Obama ride in one Russian MI-8'swe're buying for the Afghan air farce!


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USS ENTERPRISE May 6, 2013 at 6:56 pm

True. And, besides the fact that the beast is quite heavy (and can't get over foreign speed bumps), I wouldn't want to have the president's limo dangling quite precariously below a chopper, or tilt rotor.


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