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Brass: East Coast Missile Site Unneeded

by Brendan McGarry on June 11, 2013

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The U.S. military has no need for an East Coast missile defense site, according to top officers who oversee the weaponry.

“There is no validated military requirement to deploy an East Coast missile defense site,” Navy Vice Adm. J.D. Syring, director of the Missile Defense Agency, and Army Lt. Gen. Richard Formica, commander of Joint Functional Command for Integrated Missile Defense, wrote in a June 10 letter to Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.

Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, today released a copy of the letter, as well as his initial request asking the officers for their judgment on the proposal. The correspondence comes a day before the full panel is to begin amending, or marking up, its version of the 2014 National Defense Authorization Act. The legislation sets policy goals and spending targets for the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1.

The move sets up a fight between Levin and his counterpart in the House of Representatives, Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif. The House Armed Services Committee last week voted in favor of legislation to fund development of the installation, which is estimated to cost at least $3 billion.

The U.S. missile-defense system includes sea, ground, air and space components designed to intercept ballistic missiles during any phase of flight. Major contractors include Boeing Co., Lockheed Martin Corp., Northrop Grumman Corp. and Raytheon Co.

The Ground-based Midcourse Defense system, the land-based component, includes missiles stored in silos at Fort Greely in Alaska and Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.

In an overview of the proposed legislation, McKeon said both the Obama and Bush administrations have supported the need for an additional homeland missile defense site.

The military officers said they oppose Congress mandating the creation of missile defense silos on the East Coast before the completion of an environmental impact review mandated in this year’s legislation. They also said investing in the Ballistic Missile Defense System, or BMDS, and enhanced sensor technology would be more cost-effective.

“While a potential East Coast site would add operational capability, it would also come at a significant materiel development and service sustainment cost,” Syring and Formica wrote.

The Defense Department in April proposed cutting more than a half-billion dollars from missile defense for fiscal 2014 even amid heightened concern over belligerent statements from the North Korean regime of Kim Jong Un.

The Pentagon plans to spend $9.16 billion on ballistic missile defense in fiscal 2014, which begins Oct. 1, according to budget documents. That’s $558 million, or 5.7 percent, less than the $9.72 billion it requested for this year. The figures don’t take into account automatic budget cuts, known as sequestration, which took effect March 1.

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Tweedle Dee June 11, 2013 at 5:23 pm

Well this whole debate over the status of our "2 or 3" missile defense sites is probably unneeded because as a betting man, I would say the government has more than we are letting on.

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Tom Billings June 11, 2013 at 10:20 pm

The problem with that bet is that is a duplicate of ones made by my friends for 3 decades, which, except for the few months of operation of the Spartan and Sprint missiles before Congress denied further operating funds, were a total washout. I constantly met people who told me that the government *could*not* be so stupid as to leave us naked. They were wrong.

Our Congress, and much of the executive branch, had a real fear of Ballistic Missile Defense, because it would inevitably need orbital operations, which would be the first increment of advance leading to a US Space Force. That would have sucked up money they needed for the Medicare they bought Congressional elections with for the last nearly 5 decades.

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blight_ June 12, 2013 at 7:19 am

We've learned from the space race that money that gets sucked up into weird programs that has no value to the voters is baaaad.

We won't bother with space again until our "pride" is hurt by Chinese taikonauts. They'll probably be the second guys to hit the moon in ~2020; which is better than the Russians, and a reminder of how America used to do great things, but can't because we can't do anything without flushing billions of dollars we don't have down the Toilet of Endless Studies.

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Restore Palestine June 12, 2013 at 5:21 pm

If the Chinese land a man on the moon in ~2020, then China will be the first country to do have done a manned lunar landing. That's because America's so-called manned lunar landings in 1969-72 were most certainly faked, based on the data and track record of NASA.

There are so many things wrong with NASA's images, videos from the so-called manned lunar landings. Furthermore, things happened post "manned lunar landings" lend additional credence to the non-believers.

To me, that's an easy and obvious conclusion after going through the evidence if one has a solid background in college Physics and Mathematics, and can handle things with objectivity, critical thinking and emotional detachment.

The Van Allen radiation belt alone crushes NASA's story because of the lack of sufficient radiation protection on the spacecraft and the spacesuits.

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blight_ June 12, 2013 at 5:27 pm

Or, they'll join the club of fake moon landers.

wpnexp June 13, 2013 at 10:18 am

Being an idiot as usual today! I see your pretending to be a rocket scientist today. You certainly are a joke.

USS ENTERPRISE June 13, 2013 at 11:04 am

Tin-foil hat, tin-foil hat!

78stonewobble June 15, 2013 at 6:04 am

Would that objectivity, critical thinking emotional detachment apply to Palestine as well?

Conclusion. Palestine failed as a state and should go the way of the Dodo?

Also lol@the Van Allen radiation belts. Which only goes to show you don't really know what you're talking about.

hibeam June 11, 2013 at 7:00 pm

Brass: East Coast Unneeded.

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Steve B. June 11, 2013 at 7:41 pm

It's mostly all blue states anyway…..

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orly? June 11, 2013 at 9:20 pm

See?

My whole "A civil war will lead to the US being a nuclear wasteland" theory has more teeth than most conspiracy theories.

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Belesari June 12, 2013 at 12:28 am

New US civil war = Lebanon.

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tiger June 12, 2013 at 5:25 am

Civil war? Not going to happen.

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Musson June 12, 2013 at 8:44 am

Why not? It has happened before.

Maybe you should read more about Black Swans. The people of Lebanon were sure that a civil war would never happend.

Restore Palestine June 12, 2013 at 6:23 pm

What about Texas becoming independent again? California? New York? Those states are better off independent than being part of the sorry, fraud-ridden US led by corrupt, incompetent politicians.

blight_ June 12, 2013 at 7:21 am

And so is the west coast, which is well covered by Vandenberg, the Pacific Fleet and Fort Greeley.

In California's case, the majority of the population lives in the Bay, Los Angeles and San Diego. If you look at a map of California by districts, most districts are actually red.

I imagine the same is true in many east coast states. And you've also forgotten the southern coastal states, which trend "red" (oh noes, they're more worthy!) in their urban areas.

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orly? June 12, 2013 at 10:58 am

To some, anyone even remotely siding with a perceived threat is considered a threat.

The whole "If you're not with us, you're against us" mentality.

"Compromise" is more and more being considered a foreign idea.

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tiger June 12, 2013 at 5:20 am

Herman Goering made promises about air defense too………….. Epic fail.

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PolicyWonk June 12, 2013 at 8:45 am

The only problem with BMD is that ballistic missiles are the dumbest, most easiest to track method of attack. The source is immediately known, and therefore the favor can be returned before the first one even hits the ground on the receiving end.

The far more serious problem is with cruise missiles: much harder to detect; much simpler technology; can be launched from anything that floats from much closer; and BMD can do nothing about.

Though, it figures congress wants to build BMD on the east coast, when the brass doesn't consider it necessary. Yet another example of wasteful congressional meddling – i.e. corporate welfare.

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Leo June 12, 2013 at 9:50 am

The U.S. will need this east cost missile defense shield . Wait and see, it will be to late . a Russian storm is brewing .

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USS ENTERPRISE June 12, 2013 at 1:14 pm

Like a Russian Blitzkrieg? Nope.

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blight_ June 12, 2013 at 4:14 pm

Russian ICBMs will come from land silos to the north, or if they use FOBS, they could come from anywhere…it'll just be late to the nuclear exchange party.

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tiger June 13, 2013 at 10:05 pm

"Red Storm Rising" was a nice book. They lack that power today…… A Stiff breeze is all they can muster.

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stephen russell June 12, 2013 at 10:24 am

Gee, now East Coast wide open for missile strikes from Iran etc.
makes No sense.
Unless have other sites??

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hibeam June 12, 2013 at 10:41 am

We will get missile defense and border security the same way we got airport security. Where the heck is the horse and why is the barn door wide open?

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Tony C. June 12, 2013 at 10:47 am

Leave Washington DC unprotected as primary target ground zero for any serious nuclear attack. That seemed to be outrageous when they talked about placing interceptors in Alaska, but the mentality is any serious attack would be from Russia over the artic circle. Maybe, they are still thinking Russia will only attack over the artic circle? Forget about the Russian and Chinese nuslear missile submarine forces. Fact is, Ballistic Missile Defense is still a gamble and any system will be overwhelmed in a major nuclear war. It only deters small states from attempting to launch a nuclear strike of limited scope (ie: North Korea).

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PolicyWonk June 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm

The initial BMD debates (w/r/t validity, whether its worth it, etc.) concluded that its far too expensive, far too cheap/easy to defeat, and did nothing to prevent attacks from cruise missiles, which are a FAR bigger threat.

Especially in the case with Washington DC – the only way to partially defeat the cruise missile threat would be to move the US capitol and/or the government into the mid-west (think Kansas, or thereabouts).

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barbara brandt June 15, 2013 at 11:20 am

As I understand it, the war you are mentioning with nuclear weapons would also mean the end of the Gulf Stream as we know it and starvation and nuclear winter. There is no defense for this outcome.

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Andy June 12, 2013 at 1:01 pm

What?

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Andy June 12, 2013 at 1:04 pm

When Iran can get a missile that can get further then Europe, the Russians won't just shoot over the Arctic or use their SSBNs to do, and North Korea/China decide that shooting them ACROSS the rest of Asia, Europe, and the Atlantic is a good idea, you can convince me why we need the East Coast BMD.

Also, pretty sure we have Burkes and CGs that can do the job just fine, if needed.

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tiger June 12, 2013 at 8:17 pm

You can launch a missile from a ship or even a oil rig. It's a big ocean to watch. They do not have to be close to home to do things.

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Melvin B June 12, 2013 at 9:32 pm

So if you live in the Northeast your a writeoff….

Hover that sub off the East Coast and ride the thermals of the Gulf Stream….

Hmm feeling btter now…

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wpnexp June 13, 2013 at 10:15 am

Seems like the fix is in. A General promoted by President Obama telling a democratic Senator that we don't need an east coast missile defense site who is trying to counter a move by a Rebulican in the House. Now can't you imagine DefSec Hagel's White House mimions actually writing the letter for the General. Top Brass no longer tells it like it is, they just kowtow to the Administration.

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barbara brandt June 15, 2013 at 11:13 am

2002 Navy contract with 5 universities was cancelled (ocean modelling (heat transfer) for Gulf of Mexico with Stennis Space Center, Mexico and some Cuban Oceanographers participating. Issue was new hurricane monitoring across GOM to protect New Orleans, Gulf of Mexico shipping and oil industry. This contract frozen by Navy and funds were supposed to be used for a missile initiative off the East Coast. Did this happen? Is this missile defense a different one or? If there was no project, what became of the millions of dollars taken from projects like ours? Why is this now a topic after Iraq and Afganistan? Do we have new data that tells us that we have to be prepared for ????

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corte con laser June 28, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Restore Palestine June 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm

This is not 1969 or 1972. Many countries can now track and closely monitor every move made by a lunar lander.

So China won't be able to copy America's trick of having astronauts orbit the earth for several days then claim to be back from the Moon. And China is not a country known for big hoaxes on this level, unlike the US.

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Dr. Horrible June 12, 2013 at 7:47 pm

Yawn.

Someone feed this guy. He seems hungry.

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tiger June 12, 2013 at 8:11 pm

We can not even get Americans motivated to show up for Jury Duty. Far fewer have a urge to fight a war vs. Americans. This is 2013. Not 1860 or even 1969. There is no issues to amp the population to war today. Besides, what is the point or goal?

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blight_ June 12, 2013 at 8:08 pm

We'll just ask the Chinese to go look for footprints.

Surely DARPA sent bipedal robots designed to make fake human footprints on the moon, and then these robots then disappeared lest the Chinese astronauts find them.

It will take an objective third party to put the whole fake-moon-landing thing to decisive rest.

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USS ENTERPRISE June 13, 2013 at 11:09 am

Nah, the Made in China sticker will just bring aliens that will shot that spacecraft down. Cause, you know.

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tiger June 12, 2013 at 8:30 pm

Damn, I've missed the chit chat. Damn, computer failure and new job. Blight, I guess Mr. Palestine must be part of the 9-11 & Grassy Knoll crowd as well. Fake landing my ass…..

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Restore Palestine June 13, 2013 at 1:19 am

The footprints in NASA's pictures are, as far as I'm concerned, conclusive evidence per se that the pictures are fake. Of course there are other ways to show the forgery but for engineers in the aerospace industry, those footprints around the lunar module are the easiest and the most persuasive evidence that the shots were staged.

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orly? June 13, 2013 at 12:53 am

I hate to break it to ya, but approximately 6000 Americans are organizing an armed rally/march/something on DC soon. They seem to not see the big picture.

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Restore Palestine June 13, 2013 at 3:17 pm

There are many reasons. And different groups want independence for different reasons. Demographics, politics, economics, personal ideals, philosophy or ambitions, historical reasons and more.

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Restore Palestine June 13, 2013 at 12:56 am

I'll bet that wherever you work, there will be computer failures. I've already made my position on 9-11 known – it was a false flag operation. As for JFK, there were at least 3 gun men. The shot that blew JFK's brains out was a frontal, upward shot from an overflow drain on the right side of the road. Bright people with a solid science or engineering background have little difficulty with this.

YOU are one of the typical Americans that Allen W Dulles was referring to when he said that "Americans don't read" in response to a question about the bogus investigation and findings in the Warren Commission Report.

Do you know who Allen W Dulles is? Most probably not.

Your logical reasoning skills are practically nonexistent. What are you doing here in a technical forum?

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Restore Palestine June 13, 2013 at 1:07 am

I don't need to look any further. The evidence from NASA has been a massive fail for any technical person with a real brain. Any engineer worth his salt, especially those who familiar with rocket / aircraft engines, would LOL after looking at those footprints besides the lunar module.

You are better at picking out movies. That's for sure. How many hours of movies do you watch on a typical day? Did you go to college?

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USS ENTERPRISE June 13, 2013 at 11:06 am

Sir, check out the Mythbusters Episode. A lot of your evidence is shot down quicker than MiG-29 caged with an F-15. There is, without a rounding error, 0 bits of evidence that proves that NASA didn't go to the moon, and hundreds that proof that Neil Armstrong is one of the greatest humans ever born.

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tiger June 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm

Temple University, College of Engineering, Class of 1997.

Films in a day? At work today, so none.

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USS ENTERPRISE June 13, 2013 at 11:07 am

Mythbusters, strike this man down.

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USS ENTERPRISE June 13, 2013 at 11:08 am

Tin foil hat, and tin foil hat. What next, is the US controlling the weather?

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tiger June 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm

Just our health care & phone calls for now……

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Restore Palestine June 13, 2013 at 2:36 pm

That's all you got? Come on, you are BS ENTERPRISE. Write some professional BS and impress the crowd please.

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blight_ June 13, 2013 at 3:12 pm

Counterfeit moon landings by themselves make little sense: once you can get astronauts into orbit and in transit to the moon, you're almost at the point of being able to land on the moon. When people suggest that the moon landings are fake, they are not specific, but imply that it is more than landing on the moon, but also getting there.

They didn't land on the moon; additionally they did not /go/ to the moon (since it would be silly to suggest that they did go to the Moon but only faked the moon landings); therefore they hung out in earth orbit (or not, since apparently only the Soviets were capable of going into low earth orbit? Hah.)

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Restore Palestine June 13, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Don't waste your time looking for substance in wpnexp's BS posts. He's the same type as BS ENTERPRISE.

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Restore Palestine June 13, 2013 at 3:28 pm

well, nobody bothered to feed me, so I helped myself with two seasoned and thawed BBQ chicken leg quarters, microwaved for faster, tastier, healthier, and more energy-efficient meal. 7 minutes — 3 min. skin side up, flip, 2 min. check. 2 min. (if it's a big one, add 2 min.)

2 cups of spinach leaves, no dressing. 1 glass of sweetened black tea latte. 2 peaches.

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Restore Palestine June 13, 2013 at 3:36 pm

what about racketeering by weapons suppliers and private prison runners? The internet is next. Hillary Clinton said so. They are laying the legal ground work and precedents as we speak.

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blight_ June 13, 2013 at 4:19 pm

To clarify for Saturn V, which part is fake: insufficient payload to LEO or insufficient payload for TLI?

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Restore Palestine June 13, 2013 at 4:56 pm

Not enough lifting power to carry all necessary payload for a safe round-trip mission (fuel, gear, astronauts in properly shielded spacesuits and properly shielded spacecraft, Command Module, Lunar Module etc.)

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Dr. Horrible June 13, 2013 at 7:59 pm

Huh?

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tiger June 13, 2013 at 10:24 pm

Not enough lifting power? The first stage has done half the battle already. By the time the stage 3rd cuts off, there is little gravity to overcome.
Fuel? You coast to the moon after leaving orbit.
Gear? For the short stay, they had enough.
Landing site photos? http://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-lan

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Restore Palestine June 14, 2013 at 1:17 am

Another fail.

Ever heard of Photoshop?

And what's the point of using NASA's argument when I have already made it clear that I am not buying any of it?

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78stonewobble June 15, 2013 at 6:12 am

But for your information. The amount of radiation in the Van Allen belts are dependent on the amount of particles radiated from the Sun and elsewhere and then trapped in the Earths magnetic field. Thus they are highest after a solar event like a flare or coronal mass ejection. That is where they can be dangerous. However there is more to radiation damage than just the amount. The health damage is cumulative so it is also dependent on time spent being exposed. Indeed everyone everywhere is being irradiated all the time. The astronauts spent little time in the radiation belts and did not do so at a time where the belts were "particular" active. Thus it was possible.

PS: You DO know that other countries have had satelites take pictures of the astronaut footprints right?

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Rest Pal June 16, 2013 at 6:12 pm

That's ludicrous. When you do copy and paste of apologists spins, or make things up on your own, at least use a bit of common sense. A dental x ray last how long? Why do they put a lead jacket around your neck?

The soviets did put in thick metal shielding and that's why their rockets were so much larger and heavier.

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