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U.S. May Sell 100 Ospreys Abroad: Official

by Brendan McGarry on June 17, 2013

Osprey's land aboard Japanese ships during Dawn Blitz 2013

PARIS — The U.S. military over the next decade may sell as many as 100 of the Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft to international customers, the program manager said.

The military is already in discussions with “more than three” countries interested in buying the aircraft, which takes off like a helicopter and flies like an airplane, Marine Corps Col. Greg Masiello, who manages the V-22 program, said on June 17 during a press conference with reporters at the Paris Air Show.

“I see no reason why there wouldn’t be … 100 aircraft over top of the program of record,” he said.

Masiello was referring to quantities in addition to the U.S. military’s planned purchase of 458 Ospreys. That includes 360 for the Marine Corps, 50 for the Air Force and 48 for the Navy, he said. There are 214 currently operating in the U.S. fleet, including in countries such as Afghanistan, he said.

The Navy on June 22 awarded a joint venture of Textron Inc.’s Bell Helicopter and Boeing Co. a $6.5 billion contract for as many as 122 Ospreys. That includes 92 for the Marines and seven for the Air Force, with options for an additional 23 aircraft. The agreement was expected to intensify interest among foreign buyers, who would be needed to keep the production line open beyond 2018.

Based on the level of interest from other countries, that shouldn’t be a problem.

Some 15 countries are interested in buying or conducting training exercises with the aircraft, including Israel, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Libya, India, Singapore, Australia, Japan, France, Italy, the United Kingdom, Brazil, Columbia and Canada, according to a briefing at the show.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel in April in Tel Aviv announced the first foreign sale of the Osprey, for the Israeli special forces. The number of aircraft wasn’t specified but it was believed to be at least five for $70 million apiece. The funding would likely come from the more than $3 billion the U.S. gives Israel annually in military assistance.

The speed and range of the V-22 puts it in a class of its own, Masiello said. It can fly more than 800 nautical miles, about the distance between Washington, D.C., and Detroit, in less than four hours, he said.

In Afghanistan in 2010, more than 30 coalition troops were trapped after their CH-47 Chinook crashed from enemy fire, Masiello said. Two Ospreys from Kandahar were dispatched to rescue the personnel, flying hundreds of miles in bad weather as high as 15,000 feet over mountaintops, he said.

“You could not do that with any other aircraft,” he said.

The Osprey doesn’t have a flawless safety record. More than 30 Marines and civilian contractors were killed in crashes during development of the aircraft. Some lawmakers and Defense Department officials sought unsuccessfully to cancel the program.

“It’s not the same aircraft” as it was then, Masiello said, when asked whether its past performance is affecting negotiations with potential buyers. The plane has been redesigned to incorporate redundant hydraulic systems and self-sealing fuel cells, he said.

The Osprey since 2010 has flown more missions, on average, at lower cost, Masiello said. The cost per flying hour in 2012 was less than $10,000, he said. The program is now at “peak production,” with the contractor set to build and deliver 40 aircraft this year, he said.

The Navy’s order for additional Ospreys is a “vote of confidence and it certainly won’t hurt” the potential for more international sales, Chris Raymond, vice president of business development and strategy for Boeing’s Defense, Space and Security unit, said in a June 16 briefing with reporters at the company’s Paris offices before the start of the air show.

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Nicky June 17, 2013 at 12:17 pm

How much dose anyone want to bet the first Osprey overseas sales will go to either Japan or Israel

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Belesari June 17, 2013 at 12:28 pm

LOL already says it is first to israel. However I'd say Japan has a high likely hood of being second. Most likely the JMSDF aka "The Japanese Navy".

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Ben June 17, 2013 at 1:01 pm

Israel will be given V-22s courtesy of the American taxpayer. No sales.

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James Hasik June 17, 2013 at 1:09 pm

OK, let's review how that works. Israel will be given military assistance funds, which must be spent on American equipment. The Israeli government *may* choose to spend that on V-22s. If so, Textron will book the sale. Remember: DefenseTech covers the industry as well.

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blight_ June 17, 2013 at 2:55 pm

Israel will buy it with American dollars. It is still technically a "sale", since Textron is getting money. It's just US government dollars for hardware that doesn't defend the homeland in a direct fashion.

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orly? June 17, 2013 at 1:09 pm

Considering the image above is a JMSDF ship, Japan looks right

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USS ENTERPRISE June 17, 2013 at 2:43 pm

It would be interesting to see the problems in Japan's government when (or if) Ospreys are bought. They aren't too happy with them at American bases; do they really want to buy the machine?

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oblatt1 June 17, 2013 at 12:27 pm

“I see no reason why there wouldn’t be … 100 aircraft over top of the program of record,” he said.

Well apart front eh fact the aircraft is rubbish and only exists because of congressmen paid off by Boeing.

Maybe we can give away a few to Israel for children's playgrounds and such and perhaps a few Arab states can buy some influence on the foreign relations committee by buying a few. But anyone who actually wants a transport aircraft isn't going to buy this way overpriced dodo.

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USS ENTERPRISE June 18, 2013 at 11:37 am

….Except the aircraft is excellent, and after its tragic beginning, it has since shown to be one of the safest, most versatile, aircraft in the US Cargo Fleet.
Name me another aircraft that can take off vertically, travel at the same, or faster speed, than the Osprey, and then you can call it terrible.

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tiger June 18, 2013 at 11:20 pm

Return the rock you crawled from…..

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hibeam June 17, 2013 at 12:38 pm

The regular Osprey or the limited edition Obama Model? Takes off like a helicopter, apologizes and goes home.

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Big-Dean June 17, 2013 at 6:02 pm

and if the Obama model crashes it blames Bush ;-P

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Andy June 17, 2013 at 12:51 pm

The funding would likely come from the more than $3 billion the U.S. gives Israel annually in military assistance.

SUPPRISE ?

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Belesari June 18, 2013 at 3:59 am

We give far more to the UN which calls us murderers then gives awards to mass murderers and dictators.

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gea June 18, 2013 at 10:16 am

We should not be giving $$ to either. Israel is able to offer a free college education to its youth. We are supporting a lifestyle we can't offer our own youth. The UN is mostly just a gang of bandits cashing in on tax free dip status to wreak havoc in NYC while escaping from third world cess pools and petro dollar fueled slave farms.

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elizzar June 18, 2013 at 11:31 am

you want to try being a part of the EU as well as the UN, I love my money being spent on promoting the arts in Bulgaria etc, oh and in the UN being lectured at by a bunch of dictators on the 'colonialism' council about the falkland islands.

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ANDY June 18, 2013 at 3:48 pm

WOW:
TEL AVIV — Despite sequestration and protracted fiscal constraints, Israel can expect an additional decade of sustained and possibly increased levels of security assistance once its current $30 billion, 10-year military aid package expires in 2018, former US officials here said.
The current agreement, signed in 2007, elevated Israel’s annual grant aid from $2.4 billion to $3.1 billion, and Israeli officials here expect the follow-on package to provide incremental boosts to nearly $4 billion per year.

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Ben June 17, 2013 at 12:59 pm

Don't count the possible V-22s for Israel. Those aren't sales. Just the American taxpayer paying for them. No sale.

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Andy June 17, 2013 at 6:43 pm

Can any one explain why our TAX money go to this country:

TEL AVIV — Despite sequestration and protracted fiscal constraints, Israel can expect an additional decade of sustained and possibly increased levels of security assistance once its current $30 billion, 10-year military aid package expires in 2018, former US officials here said.

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hibeam June 17, 2013 at 1:10 pm

The Osprey will be sold to foreign governments under its other name. The twin rotor Edsel.

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tiger June 18, 2013 at 11:22 pm

Rather than hibeam, your a dim bulb.

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OD375 June 17, 2013 at 1:22 pm

Sell the aircraft to our enemies. It will work well as a trojan horse.

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OD375 June 17, 2013 at 1:23 pm

I will be surprised and disappointed if Israel buys this aircraft.

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ANDY June 18, 2013 at 4:04 pm

Buy ? really….?

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C-Low June 17, 2013 at 1:36 pm

It has high potential as a naval version.

-Naval cargo making a light version of the greyhound on the big decks.
-Strap ASES tower on top and you got a light AWACS or light version of the E2D on the big decks. AWAC aircraft are critical for air control and future cruise missile and ASM defense.

Osprey with minor changes give all those pocket carriers I mean LHA/LHD jump ramp flattops a light version of the advantages only enjoyed by the big deck super carriers.

The nations that will be foaming at the mouth for these are all the ones in the news building those small flattops. Japan, Britian, Italy, S Korea, Australia, Brazil, to just name the bigger boys in the game.

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elizzar June 18, 2013 at 11:34 am

hey – our (UK) new carriers will be ~60k tonnes, so about 2/3 size of the nimitz class. i think the V-22 may indeed be viable for the AEW role; previously we used sea king helicopters with our smaller carriers for this. the V-22 may offer good multi-role capability on top of this, as the carriers are likely to be used more like the us marines use theirs (troop assault, helicopters, plus f-35s) than the us super-carriers.

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Tri-ring June 18, 2013 at 12:01 pm

Placing a radar would be tricky with the large rotating propellers in front which deflects radar beams. The radar dome would need to be either above the propellers or a wedge fin that transmits the microwave towards the sides.

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blight_ June 18, 2013 at 3:46 pm

And it would also have to be clear of the props in vertical mode. Wonder how that would look.

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tiger June 18, 2013 at 11:28 pm

There is no need for a E-2 type Radome.

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blight_ June 18, 2013 at 11:44 pm

You are correct. Thank you new technology…

Sandy August 11, 2013 at 6:19 pm

Japan, Britian, Italy, S Korea, Australia, Brazil, to just name the bigger boys in the game.

What about India?

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JE McKellar June 17, 2013 at 1:37 pm

Need to market an AWACS version for all the small carriers out there, maybe an ASW/ASuW patrol version, too.

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VTGunner June 17, 2013 at 1:44 pm

Why would they need an ASW version? What's wrong with the current MH-60R that flies off the decks now? They're probably 1/4 the cost, cheaper to operate, and can do just as much. ASW doesn't need to fly 300 miles from the small deck carriers to do it's thing

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Big-Dean June 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm

let's consider for the moment that our ASW helo only carry the lightweight torps, perhaps the V-22 could carry the real deal, ADCAP plus it's range and coverage would be much greater, being able the hit the sub much further out

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blight_ June 17, 2013 at 10:46 pm

The heavier the payload, the less range. I'd be more worried about detection gear carried by an Osprey, or perhaps the ability to drop sonobuoys.

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joe June 19, 2013 at 12:03 pm

the ADCAP is wired guided.

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blight_ June 24, 2013 at 3:19 pm

Could just drop the torp and hover veeery slowly in place…

JE McKellar June 18, 2013 at 12:57 am

Not to replace the SH-60's, but to add the capability of something like an S-3 or P-3, more like sea control rather than self-defense.

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hibeam June 17, 2013 at 5:17 pm

Japan should wait for the Osprey LX. Takes off like a helicopter, flies like a plane, dives into the ocean like a torpedo, rumbles across open terrain like a tank. Think of the savings.

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tiger June 19, 2013 at 8:59 pm

You must be a SNL writer. Just as unfunny.

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Stephen Russell June 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm

any plans for civie models IE commuter airlines to use.
& or Air Cargo alone.
Or VIP exec model.

$$$$$$ alone.

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Noth June 18, 2013 at 11:57 am

It's called the Agusta Westland AW609 and is in development (formerly a Bell project that they sold to them to concentrate on third generation military tilt rotor craft).

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Frank June 18, 2013 at 3:49 pm

There already is a civilian version caleed the BA609. The BA609 is a joint venture between Bell Helicopter and Agusta Westland of Italy.

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Bruce June 19, 2013 at 8:56 pm

The BA609 became the AW609 (as per Noth's post) and although the design process has been going for a long time (prototype first flew in 2003) it has not yet completed the development phase and from what i've read recently they aren't expecting certification until 2016, based on it's history i'd imagine that is an optimistic date.

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Tri-ring June 18, 2013 at 4:59 am

JSDF had already placed in a requisition within the future procurement list.
Now it just a matter of getting the budget for acquisition.
I believe Japan will order about 25~40 air frames and 25 airborne refueling tank kits.

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TJRedneck June 18, 2013 at 6:48 am

Yes the Osprey has had a lot of problems during developement because it is a radically different design, but with the bugs worked out I believe it will turn out to be a great aircraft. Back in the 80's when I was in the Marine Corps, we flew in those Sea Knights. They were slow eggbeaters, rough ride, and easy target for the enemy. The Osprey can hold a lot more cargo and get in and out of Dodge a lot faster. I remember when the Harrier first came out as well as the F-14 Tomcat. There were a lot of accidents and problems with those aircraft, lot of people died during their developement. Many people called for those to be canceled, but once the problems were worked out, they turned out to be great aircraft. I believe the Osprey will as well.

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Harry June 18, 2013 at 1:07 pm

not only the phrog, harrier and Tomcat, but look at the CH-53E, when it was a new aircraft had a bad accident/incident rate, as do most aircraft when they are cutting their teeth.

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top dog June 18, 2013 at 9:45 am

I thought this thing was suppose to be so high-tech, if it is, why are we selling it?…Mabe the Countries we are selling it to had a vested interest in it's creation….I'am just saying….

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rudyh60 June 18, 2013 at 12:55 pm

Unloading an archaic rotor system machine…..one way to get some bucks back……move on the the Dornier Do31 and US VJ101 thruster driven concept And Do It right!…..and modern!!

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poptop June 18, 2013 at 2:38 pm

As always, all the bugs worked out mostly by USMC, now they can buy.

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Marine101 June 19, 2013 at 7:51 pm

Probably selling to Obama's muslim buddies.

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Thomas June 24, 2013 at 3:03 pm

Today's Japan is finally realizing they just can't buy what they want, and worry about sustainment later.

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