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Test Failure Stirs Missile Defense Doubts

by Brendan McGarry on July 18, 2013

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The head of a key Senate subcommittee is questioning the reliability of part of the U.S. missile defense system after a failed test earlier this month.

The Defense Department maintains rocket-like interceptors in silos at Fort Greely, Alaska, and Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., as part of the Ground-based Midcourse Defense System, designed to shoot down incoming threats such as nuclear missiles.

An interceptor launched from Vandenberg during a July 5 test missed its target over the Pacific Ocean. Now, some lawmakers are criticizing the Pentagon’s plans to spend more than $1 billion in the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1 in part to expand the fleet of interceptors to 44 from 30.

“It’s our responsibility to ensure that those capabilities perform as advertised,” Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., chairman of the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, said during a July 17 hearing. “We know the threat is real. The question is whether our defense is real.”

The panel met to hear testimony from Navy Vice Adm. James Syring, director of the Missile Defense Agency, on the agency’s fiscal 2014 budget request.

Syring said a preliminary review of the test traced the problem to something called the exoatmospheric kill vehicle – the portion of the missile that separates from the main body to “intercept” or knock an incoming projectile out of the sky.

“The kill vehicle did not separate from the third-stage booster,” he said. “It wasn’t the booster, sir. It wasn’t the guidance system. The EKV did not separate.”

Syring said he remains confident in the Boeing Co.-made system — even though it’s never actually taken out an intercontinental ballistic missile — and pledged to conduct a full evaluation of the program.

“What’s important is continued testing,” he said.

Durbin cited among his concerns the system’s mixed record of hitting targets in only 8 of 15 attempts; the high cost of testing, which runs about $215 million per exercise; and the fact that many of the interceptors aren’t operational.

Syring acknowledged that unlike the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System — the sea-based program that equips Navy cruisers and destroyers with the Aegis radar system and Standard Missile-3, or SM-3, interceptors — the ground-based system faced a more demanding development schedule that resulted in interceptors being deployed before testing was complete.

Durbin said the problem is a recurring one that affects other weapons systems such as the F-35 fighter jet, the Pentagon’s most expensive acquisition program.

“We’ve run into this repeatedly, whether we’re talking about the F-35 or others — keep producing even while you’re testing,” Durbin said. “We’ve reached a point now where we’re making some critical budget decisions and may not be able to afford that luxury. What troubles me is this is a system that still hasn’t been proven to be able to protect America.”

Syring said the agency is working on “flying before we buy any more” interceptors. It’s also exploring the possibility of developing a universal kill vehicle that could be used with both ground-based interceptors and sea-based SM-3s.

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hibeam July 18, 2013 at 9:16 pm

Test Failure Stirs Missile Defense Doubts. Maybe we should disband the military and use that money to buy fund insane crash and burn failures like Obama-care?

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goody July 19, 2013 at 1:06 pm

Do you also have that opinion of Medicare? If you do.., ok. If not then listen up.., they are basically the same thing. Educate.., not self-medicate.

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Uncle Bill July 19, 2013 at 1:31 pm

the growth in health care costs has outpaced all other areas since medicare. without medicare seniors would be able to afford health care without gov't assistance. anytime the gov't pays the price goes up without end.

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blight_ July 19, 2013 at 2:20 pm

"without medicare seniors would be able to afford health care without gov't assistance"

Managing chronic care is expensive. Progeria patients who essentially age while young are probably as expensive to manage as the elderly per condition or per day, they just die quickly.

From a religious standpoint, there's something about accepting that this life is secondary to the hereafter, and that focusing on clinging on to the point of having a nurse flip you over every few hours like a piece of meat on the BBQ to prevent bedsores is terrible Quality Of Life.

[FYI, if this sounds like "death panels!!!!", then maybe it is. My copy of the New Testament doesn't endorse suicide, but it doesn't endorse prolonging of life because it's a book about the hereafter]

I'd be interested to see if elderly patients could get health ins outside of government options, and compare to their Medicare equivalents in socioeconomics, demographics and health. Try it. Grandma has diabetes, osteoporosis, maybe a little dementia…and you, the insurer, THINK she can afford the outrageous cost of chronic care on her own dime?! Unless she sells the villa at Monaco!

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wpnexp July 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm

Goody, what is the point of Medicare insurance if you have to make co-pays, still need insurance and the docs still send you bills?

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@HarryInventor July 26, 2013 at 8:48 am

MIGHT BE A BETTER IDEA, usa!

Your missiles defenses are obviously worthless. Save the money! Get better diplomats!
Your ships are worthless (USS NewYork etc were badly built by incomptent american workers)… save the money! Your navy is 4x larger than anyone else's… you can stop now!
Your planes are unreliable (F22 is a pilot suffocation machine and as far the engineering example of the 787, lol!) and since you have x3 anyone else… you can stop now!
Your tanks are a joke and unwanted (old man with 1950s RPG-7 took out an Abrams in Iraq! Explains why no one else buys them, even when bribed!)
All your armored vehicles are deathtraps; see non-amphibious Bradley and tire-hungry tin-foil-covered Striker for more lols!

I think you can STOP buying overpriced FUBAR war toys now, usa!
We have laughed enough…

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Lance July 18, 2013 at 9:24 pm

No I think it show we should not jump into billions into a weapon system is fully tested and is marked reliable.

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hibeam July 18, 2013 at 9:40 pm

We need to field this missile defense system. To find out what's in it.

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Russell Romick July 19, 2013 at 11:26 am

It is already fielded, the point the article is making is that is the problem, we are fielding these things before they are fully tested.

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tiger July 19, 2013 at 7:22 am

By that standard, a lot of projects would fail. The LPD-17 class is a prime case.

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wpnexp July 25, 2013 at 3:29 pm

Missile system is not so much the problem as the homing/warhead system is. Should look to variants used by the SM-3 program.

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USS ENTERPRISE July 18, 2013 at 9:56 pm

Testing is the only way to go, I am afraid. BEFORE you all say, "Oh, the Boeing Company is just trying to wring all the money it can from the US Government", YOU try making a missile intercept system. Computer models won't work, field testing IS the only way forwards.

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Mr. Tiddles July 19, 2013 at 12:46 am

The SM-3 has an excellent intercept record. Somewhere close to 85%. Even with complex separating targets. Considering what they are attempting to do here, 85% is an amazing number.

Their "universal kill vehicle" idea makes me nervous though. I hope they don't replace the SM-3 with that land based POJ.

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SJE July 19, 2013 at 9:02 am

Completely agree. The "universal kill vehicle" assumes that we know what works, when different systems have different and overlapping strengths and weaknesses. There is also no competition. A "common platform" concept works well in e.g. cars, because it lowers costs but it is doing so in a competetive environment. In the contractor environment, you get the F35, with numerous cost overuns.

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blight_ July 19, 2013 at 10:31 am

The SM-3 also has a shorter range.

The longer the range of the missile, the more effects that error propagation will have on your intercept.

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Werner July 21, 2013 at 12:24 am

only if in range, which is a 130 miles high max. ICBMs arc 300 miles overhead, far outside the SM-3 range. But the fraud must go on.

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wpnexp July 25, 2013 at 3:31 pm

I think strating with the SM-3 kill vehicle would be wise. Then using the extra funding, we can improve that system along the way.

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tim August 4, 2013 at 6:22 pm

The so-called "excellent record" is meaningless and misleading. Not once has Sm-3 ever successfully intercepted a missile of similar sophistication to missiles under deployment in Russia, or China, or France, or India.

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mpower6428 July 19, 2013 at 2:22 am

dumb question…

and im just spit-ballin here but…

why don't we put the aegis sea based systems on the land and call it a day…?

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tiger July 19, 2013 at 7:25 am

Because Boeing would whine & moan about not getting a contract…..

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Thinto July 19, 2013 at 7:27 am

That would be logical, and when has the military ever been logical? Furthermore, the Defense Military Complex would not be able to pilfer billions more. And even more, Aegis is a Navy system, another service can't use those Pukes system, they have to have one of their own!

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Russell Romick July 19, 2013 at 11:30 am

The phalanx CIWS has been adapted or use to defend US forward bases. On land. I know you were just using satire to get your point over.

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mpower6428 July 21, 2013 at 3:26 am

im not talking about the CIWS. im talking about the long range sm-2 standard missile when handed off to a 3rd party long range radar. the same one that, when successfully tested, shot down a satellite in orbit back in 07' (?)

thx for playing.

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Curt July 19, 2013 at 7:53 am

Of course the SM-3 can't engage the same targets (like say ICBMs for instance) as the GMDS does, but don't let reality intrude on your spitballing.

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mpower6428 July 21, 2013 at 3:27 am

it shot down a satellite.

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blight_ July 19, 2013 at 6:51 pm

Because GMD gives you the option of hitting a target over the ocean instead of hail-mary when it's over the target or has MIRV'ed on you.

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Rest Pal July 19, 2013 at 10:41 pm

probably because the aegis systems don't really work as advertised. To wit, USS Stark.

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tiger July 20, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Rest Pal July 24, 2013 at 11:48 pm

It makes little difference. Aegis is nothing more than another form of radar using the same electromagnetic waves as other radars. There is nothing really magical about Aegis. Its advantage lies in tracking multiple threats. There were only two Exocets fired, and not even simultaneously. Moreover, there was an AWAC nearby.

I'm sure the radar on board USS Stark had been advertised as among the most "advanced" radars in the world, just like Aegis.

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wpnexp July 25, 2013 at 3:50 pm

You are truly ignorant Rest Pal. First, you are talking about an event that took place several decades ago. AWACS tracks were not likely linked in to the ship, and I doubt the AWACS was even in a mode to track cruise missiles at the time. The S-Band radar used in the SPY system is different that what was available to the frigate. Not to mention the numerous additional links we use today, to nework several different systems, like CEC. And no, the Stark was part of a low end system bought by the Navy to help provide greater naval coverage through numbers. The ship was incredibly useful for what it did, to provide presense and escort services, but it was no even close to being our high end system, which is why the Aegis system was developed. But logic escapes you.

USS ENTERPRISE July 22, 2013 at 2:34 pm

Iron Man has a ship named after him?

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wpnexp July 25, 2013 at 3:39 pm

Fundamentally a different system. The GMD missile has to have longer range than the SM-3 to cover the whole country or even most of it. When the SM-3 shot down the satellite, the ship maneuvered under the path of the satellite and the missile was shot strait up. Kinda hard to do when you are using a fixed land site.

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RC Cola July 19, 2013 at 7:20 am

Funny … I had the same idea when I was reading this. Why not expand the sea based Aegis system and make it land based as well?

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PrahaPartizan July 21, 2013 at 9:25 pm

The two ABM systems are intended to deal with two different threats. The Aegis system deals with ballistic missiles either in their ascent stage before the threat reaches maximum speed or with SRBM/MRBM/IRBM-class missiles with maximum speeds well below those achieved by ICBMs. The Aegis-class system could not deal with an incoming ICBM. A quick look at the respective ABM designs reveals the difference – the Aegis is based on the Navy's SAM systems while the USAF's ABM looks almost like the ICBM it is intercepting.

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mpower6428 July 23, 2013 at 2:30 pm

and here is the answer to my question. thank you sir.

thank you for informing me and not bringing up Obama-care, or CWIS, or good Christian morals, or liberals, or the Chinese, Isreali's, north koreans, the Royal baby etc.

thankyou for making this article (a good article) make that much more sense.

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munny August 19, 2013 at 8:52 am
Dfens July 19, 2013 at 7:22 am

It's funny how the debate has changed from "it's impossible to hit a missile with a missile" to "but can we do it reliably" and yet it is still being spun as failure. The truly amazing thing is that none of those who said missile defense was impossible have ever been held accountable for their lies. As for reliability, rockets suck at that. No one has ever got more than one 9 of reliability out of a rocket.

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Curt July 19, 2013 at 8:01 am

Isn't it amazing that the Union of Confused Scientist went from "It's impossible" to "It can't be done in a realistic setting and without elaborate props" to 8 out of 15 is bad and people still listen too them. In a real scenario, since Iran or North Korea don't have the potential for a lot of ICBMs, they would probably fire 5 or 6 interceptors at each target. Even a pK of 25pct begins to look good then.

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Thomas L. Nielsen July 22, 2013 at 2:27 am

"Isn't it amazing that the Union of Confused Scientist went from "It's impossible" to "It can't be done in a realistic setting and without elaborate props"" – No, it isn't amazing. It's a process called "learning". Try it – it's nice.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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Dfens July 22, 2013 at 10:17 am

If legalized drugs can't make you a happy person, what can?

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Thomas L. Nielsen July 22, 2013 at 1:33 pm

Legalized drugs? Where? [looks around eagerly]

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

lemoutonzelectrique July 19, 2013 at 8:32 am

Ask Roscosmos if rockets work every time they're fired. There are expectable failures. The ones who thinks a machine will perform flawlessly every shot lives in a dream. Them Russians would certainly tell you a failed test can lead to improvements and that the real problem is when you have a succession of failed tests or failed flights. So it failed? More tests are needed to learn if that was just a quantic accident or a real systemic flaw.

The Chineses would probably say, make 500 of 'em and fire 3 when you think only one is needed. ;)

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SJE July 19, 2013 at 9:03 am

Yep. Stalin said "quantity has a quality all of its own"

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hibeam July 19, 2013 at 10:32 am

If we can hit a missile with a missile do you suppose we could hit a uranium enrichment compound the size of 12 football stadiums?

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USS ENTERPRISE July 19, 2013 at 10:53 am

TLAM

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joe July 22, 2013 at 2:57 am

Again, mountain.

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SJE July 20, 2013 at 11:20 am

Hit yes. Destroy, not if its buried under a mountain

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wpnexp July 25, 2013 at 3:57 pm

Small nuke, maybe neutron bomb? Irradiate all the people inside. Better yet, just hit all the entrances. Let them try to dig them out, and bomb the engineers. Or aerial delivered land mines. They can decide whether they want to kill the engineers on their own. Lol, adding several long delay 500lbs bombs would be pretty discouraging too.

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Rest Pal July 25, 2013 at 10:33 pm

Looney tune.

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Russell Romick July 19, 2013 at 11:23 am

@hibeam,
I have read other comments you have made on other topics and thought you were joking or being satirical on a couple of posts but there seems to be a general trend of ignorance in your posts. How is this possible if you are reading defense news, ; ) that you have a lack of knowledge on other things but I guess it is possible. Please please please please educate yourself about what you are talking about before posting. Disband the military? Come on wake up to the real world. Obama-care crash and burn? You fail to realize both Britain, Canada, France, Australia had growing pains with their medical coverage system and ours are minor compared to theirs. Education would enhance your knowledge on these subjects. Am I all high and mighty? NO not at all, I make more mistakes and lack knowledge too but I try to learn as much as I can to improve my outlook and knowledge on the topics that interest me. I will be learning new thoughts and ideas (and find I have misconceptions) till I go to the grave.

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ruger July 19, 2013 at 1:02 pm

In keeping with the 7 out of 15 is a failure premise: First we need to kill all the govt. programs that perform below 50% success. Based upon general knowledge, most everything the govt touches is ruined, complicated or is generally (50%) worse off. Healthcare, poverty, education, post office, housing market, green technology – you get the point.
The assumption re: we want terrible healthcare systems like GB, CA, AUS – wrong they come here if they can afford it. So the newest target, the govt is breaking healthcare. Soon enough, they'll need another target, perhaps defense by the sounds of it.

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romiascendant July 19, 2013 at 1:29 pm

@ruger, I agree with alot of what you say but I am a dual US/Can citizen living temporarily in Canada for work reasons since the economy here was not as hard hit in 2008. I have been enjoying wonderful world class healthcare here which is free. The wait times suck though. The people you talk about are having major operations which have long waiting lists, some die waitng to have an operation so the logical choice is to receive the same care in the States or Europe, and pay through the nose mortgaging your life to have it. Not being a socialist country the US has to find a medium ground which will work and that is the "growing pains" i referred to. Noone in a free market society should be entitled to free care but the paying for the rest of your life for a hip replacement is worrying. Yes the defense industry is a prime target which Truman warned us about the military industrial complex is very true and seems to get more and more bloated with "less bang for the buck". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93ind

Russell Romick

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blight_ July 19, 2013 at 2:22 pm

At least people in your position have the option of crossing the border, choosing between wait time and paying to "get it now when you need it"

People stuck in the states and without insurance simply…die. That's one way to scare your children.

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Praetorian July 19, 2013 at 7:19 pm

A hospital cannot turn away anyone with a life threatening condition so in theory nobody should die because they do not have health insurance. However, many people choose not to see a physician because they do not have a way to pay once the treatment has been provided. Also, life saving treatment of some prescription drugs or certain medical procedures (such as dialysis or transplant operations) may not be affordable and are thus the patient is denied a life saving drug or operation.

USS ENTERPRISE July 19, 2013 at 3:02 pm

I believe Eisenhower warned us about Military Industrial Complexes, but still, you make an excellent point(s).

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Rest Pal July 19, 2013 at 10:38 pm

Yes he did. So why are you posting such much pro-military-industrial complex propaganda?

ruger July 22, 2013 at 12:18 pm

RR, we are in reasonable agreement. The point I make and remains is that everything the govt. touches, it makes worse. Let's pick on Military Industrial Complex & The War on Poverty.
Since M. Harrington wrote the bible on poverty in the US and we have wasted trillions of US treasure and it has grown. The only difference is that US poor have more disposable income and better things than other poor. Still a waste.
The military complex is less efficient and more crony than it has ever been however this complex like it or not has contributed more to human society than any other govt program. Obviously, the negative contributions as well. None the less a ROI.
This does not mean the the US MIC is not in need of reform.
More importantly, both of my examples illustrate that whenever politician (govt) is involved we are worse off. So I still stand by a govt solution to healthcare is not a solution or the solution; we will be far worse off – I for one dont want it. I have paid into SS since I was 13, into my 40s. We will all be screwed by our benevolent supreme leaders even without the overhead of an un-fundable healthcare proposition. It is really unfathomable.
Measures of failure only apply to defense, sadly.

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Praetorian July 19, 2013 at 7:10 pm

" You fail to realize both Britain, Canada, France, Australia had growing pains with their medical coverage system and ours are minor compared to theirs."

I disagree with you Russell, I feel that the U.S. health care law will be twice as bad as any of these countries stated above. All of the countries you listed have a population less then 67 million. If you think the waiting list is bad in Canada with a population of 35 million, What will the waiting list be in the U.S. with a population of 310 million.

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blight_ July 21, 2013 at 8:30 am

I will indulge in a little cynicism. Medicare is trumpeted as "too expensive", even when it reimburses far less than private insurers. And the Medicare patient-set is also the most expensive, uninsurable set. Within Medicare it's hard to imagine being able to bring their costs down without preventative measures that take decades to bear fruit.

That said, Medicare is a huge percent of the budget, and covers a small percentage of the people in this country. Chances are, that national healthcare would eat the entire budget, leaving no room for even SS or the national defense. That's probably the reason most welfare states have such anemic militaries…cost.

The median life expectancy is increasing. Unfortunately, the median number of healthy years isn't going up as quickly, suggesting that life is being prolonged into unhealthiness. And the elderly of today are of the post-WW2 baby boom era. In thirty or forty years, it'll be potato-chip generation X and Y retiring, and we'll have very very sick people on Medicare indeed. It's not good…

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Michael Shatto July 19, 2013 at 1:55 pm

Don't Try – Don't Fail.

Since Reagan, and probably before, Democrats have killed programs under development using test failures as an excuse to neuter the hated military.

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blight_ July 19, 2013 at 2:16 pm

Would you be thinking of Clinton, finishing the job started under Bush Sr? Or Carter, killing the B-1A because he had a choice of B-52's with ALCMs and the in-the-pipeline stealth bomber? If we hadn't had any B-1B's we would either have more B-52's or more B-2's today. I'm kind of glad they cancelled Sergeant York, but hey, we must have more malfunctioning hardware to scare the Soviets! Am also glad MBT-70 got canned: the Leopard and the Abrams came out of it.

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Rest Pal July 19, 2013 at 10:44 pm

The B-52 is still best bomber in the US. B-1A and B-2 are simply expensive jokes to keep the suppliers fed and alive.

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USS ENTERPRISE July 22, 2013 at 2:43 pm

So what would you fly if you needed, to, say, bomb a target in Iran without getting shot down?

Personally, I love the B-52. A great return of money, and will outpace carriers in terms of years in service. But how can a B-52 stealth-ly enter an area and drop bombs? B-52 is good for carpet bombing, but not exactly stealth bombing.

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majr0d July 19, 2013 at 2:13 pm

Folks, you can fire more than one missile at a target…

We should as a rule field weapons after they have been thoroughly tested. Problem is the enemy isn't waiting and the potential cost of losing an American city is a very stiff price.

The sea based system has different strengths. It is designed to target missiles in the lift or boost phase of flight. GMD does it in space in the event sea based missiles miss, aren't present like in a surprise attack or doesn't get them all e.g. multiple launches.

The SM3 has had four tests and failed one. It isn't perfect. Again, you fire more than one missile. BTW, the sea based system is also deployed before all testing is complete.

Consider that the GMD has a higher success rate than the X47B has for landing on a carrier. Some detractors just play BFF defense program or are branch partisans.

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Big-Dean July 19, 2013 at 6:31 pm

If Bruce Dickinson was still around he'd say "Guess what?, I've got a fever and the only cure is more Aegis" ;-P

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XYZ July 19, 2013 at 10:45 pm

Concurrency didn't work so well for us as a systems engineering practice back in the day, and it's not working now. Don't know why this lesson hasn't been learned yet.

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bulldurham48 July 20, 2013 at 10:28 am

Well it does not matter why it did not work now does it, just the fact that it did not work is the problem. As for more testing, let the dummies that developed it and said it was ready pay for the new testing, then if it works we should invest more , if not, it does not work no more money. Let the defense contractor invest some of his millions in the "good project". Then like I said if it works we should invest more, if not, his loss not ours.

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durandal69 July 20, 2013 at 3:44 pm

Ballistic missile defense remains a boondogle solution looking for a problem. Nobody is ever going to launch an ICBM at the US. Our capability to immediately detect and locate the launch site ensure an overwhelming response that even the tin horn tyrants in N. Korea and Iran understand. Put the dollars and technical expertise in cruise missile defense and shipping container inspections.

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Jack Nemerov July 20, 2013 at 7:45 pm

Why not call Israeli specialists in to fix the problem.

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Roland July 21, 2013 at 4:11 pm

Back on the drawing board boys. Remember it is for saving people lives. Probably it needs a coordinated ideas among allies.

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Dr. Horrible July 21, 2013 at 9:14 pm

huh?

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Roland July 21, 2013 at 4:25 pm

It probably need to adopt the RBS-15 missile tracking technology.

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Tony C. July 23, 2013 at 6:23 am

The mid-course missile defense system built by Boeing has had the most failures of all of the missile defense systems. The Raytheon systems work well and the Lockheed Martin systems work well. Maybe Boeing should be replaced and the contract given to another company.

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Brian B Mulholland July 23, 2013 at 8:05 pm

Sir – I have reviewed the User Agreement, and can't see what rule I violated with the last, deleted post. Please advise, here or by email, at your convenience. Thank you.

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@HarryInventor July 26, 2013 at 9:13 am

Criticism of usa not allowed.
The usa is the best, finest, super-est, simply add more words and put -est after them at your convenience, so criticism of the god of the usa is simply not allowed.

Why anyone who lives in a mud hut in central Europe, where they eat squirrels and wear animal skins, would possibly imagine that they are like a usa'er, who was put on Earth to rule buy God's magic power, is simply absurd!

Shout 'usa#1' a thousand times and go in in pieces and serve the CONUS!

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alan July 23, 2013 at 8:26 pm

definitely doable systems as compared to ten years ago.

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@HarryInventor July 26, 2013 at 9:01 am

FIRST missile-missile takedown was an obsolete BRITISH naval missile, a SEADART fired by HMS Gloucester that shot down a more modern Iraqi BALLISTIC missile during Gulf War I.
Incidentally, the american system on a nearby amrican ship only succeeded in FIRING ON THE CHAFF of another u.s.navy ship. We can laugh about it now, of course…
http://www.wingweb.co.uk/missiles/sea_dart.html

Clearly the British could do something then that the usa dreams about.

Pity the usa has all these big noises and big ad campaigns and big loud pie holes… that result in expensive non-working trash when the Europeans just quietly get on with making things that work that are ignored and overlooked.

Keep up the good work, u.s.military industrial complex!
The jobs of american illiterates rely on you…

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IPL Vadnais Heights August 5, 2013 at 12:07 am
Loving America August 9, 2013 at 5:51 pm

DT and OT developement is an experiement. Kind of like going scuba diving before learning how to swim. Success is possible, but the likelyhood of failure is going to cost many times more than learning how to swim first. It's the "kick the can down the road" bean counting budget process that today's administration has bought into.

"Failure IS an OPTION???"

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TheHipshooter August 15, 2013 at 2:47 pm

Interestingly, the article almost implies that the Aegis Combat system is a reliable, real world combat-test proven systems. Fact is we have almost no real world experience to validate that the Aegis using whatever technology, missiles, guns etc, can shoot down incoming anti-ship cruise missile, much less the DF21D. Especially when those missiles are being fired by a very clever enemy who has literally decades to devise tactics and technology designed to mitigate Aegis effectiveness.

As far as the DF21 D goes I am hoping we have the ability to execute a pre-emptive strike on the systems, including satellites, that will be necessary to accurately guide this ship killer to its target.

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John Rambo September 7, 2013 at 11:00 pm
John Rambo September 7, 2013 at 11:00 pm

What if we just brought back project Thor as a state leadership decapitation weapon? Robs from God.

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JohnRambo September 7, 2013 at 11:01 pm
bobet link April 29, 2014 at 11:52 am

Very good post. I am dealing with some of these issues as well..

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peters April 29, 2014 at 1:19 pm

what issues are you dealing with? producing things before testing their viability (what LM has been doing with the F-22 and the F-35>?)

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Rest Pal July 19, 2013 at 10:09 pm

Perceptive observation.

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Tom Billings July 25, 2013 at 2:47 pm

More to the point, …it is still no threat to the Russian ICBM fleet, which was a stipulation when the Clinton administration allowed it to be started in 1998. Unfortunately, as others catch up to what the Russians had in 1998, its inadequacies will become more and more obvious. When you design in that sort of limitation, you should expect it to be a problem later.

When you refuse to develop the multiple- interceptor-on a missile that was cancelled in 2009, as part of the "Restart" of relations with Russia, then you have painted yourself into a corner, because that was the major way to increase the capability of the basic compromised system.

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blight_ July 21, 2013 at 8:26 am

You can show up without health insurance, but if you have identification of some sort they will indeed come looking for you for bill collection.

With illegal aliens, it's a little trickier, yes, but I suppose it can be done if a hospital had the right means of finding the person. With children, you can use school records, then get the parents to pay up. Of course, if someone gets cancer, chemo will eat your life savings, and drain you until you're on the street. Not sure if hospitals will admit patients who are in need of things like chemo, only when people are at end-point death, at which point…they die.

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USS ENTERPRISE July 22, 2013 at 2:35 pm

Was it, the Netherlands that legalized it? Luxembourg ain't that far away.

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USS ENTERPRISE July 22, 2013 at 2:39 pm

Because as much as everyone hates it, the security of this nation is on the shoulders of these corporations.

In a few years time, countries won't matter so much as companies; multi-national companies. What you all think is extortion and bribery is actually companies starting to gain more and more power.

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Rest Pal July 25, 2013 at 9:22 pm

BS. You want to use the current Aegis to intercept the Exocets from decades ago? Hahaha. What makes you think the latest Aegis can effectively counter the latest missiles, or the earliest versions of Exocets, besides your own blind guess?

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