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U.S. Makes Deal for 71 More JSFs

by Kris Osborn on July 31, 2013

BF-02 performing STO's and VL's on USS Wasp LHD-1; Test Pilot was LtCol Matthew KellyFlight #:122The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin have reached an agreement for the next two F-35 Lightning II aircraft production contracts, called Low-Rate Initial Production, or LRIP lots 6 and 7, according to an F-35 Joint Program Office statement.

The deal is is expected to include 71 JSF stealth fighter aircraft and continue a reduction in F-35 aircraft pricing. The contracting effort spanned six months from proposal to settlement, the statement indicated.

“The JSF brings very low observable stealth capability combined with advanced fighter capability. We’ve never had that before – fighter performance like this in a stealth aircraft,” said Dick Cathers, deputy capture lead, F-35 Korea, Lockheed Martin.

A decrease in F-35 LRIP 6–7 unit costs, coupled with negotiating lower prices on a number of other smaller contracts, will allow the department to purchase all the aircraft originally planned, including those that were in jeopardy of being cut due to sequestration budget impacts, the JPO statement said.

Cost details will be released once both contracts are finalized; however, in general, the unit prices for all three variants of the U.S. air vehicles in LRIP-6 are roughly four percent lower than the previous contract.

While there is some variation, the estimated cost for  individual F-35A conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) aircraft purchased in 2018 and delivered in 2020 will be about $85 million in inflation adjusted “then year” dollars, said Joe Dellavedova, JSF Joint Program Office spokesman.

“This is equivalent to about $75 million in 2012 dollars. That price includes the airframe, engine, mission systems, profit and concurrency,” he said.

LRIP-7 air vehicle unit prices will show an additional four percent reduction. The LRIP-7 price represents about an eight percent reduction from the LRIP-5 contract signed in December 2012.

“These two contracts represent a fair deal that is beneficial to the government and Lockheed Martin,” Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan, F-35 Program Executive Officer, said in a written statement. “Improving affordability is critical to the success of this program, and by working together we were able to negotiate a lower cost F-35.”

The new contracts will also include the first F-35s for Australia, Italy, Norway, and the fourth F-35 for the United Kingdom, the JPO statement said.

In addition to procuring the air vehicles, these contracts also fund manufacturing-support equipment and ancillary mission equipment.

Deliveries of 36 U.S. and partner nation aircraft in LRIP-6 will begin by mid-2014 and deliveries of 35 U.S. and partner nation aircraft in LRIP-7 will begin by mid-2015.

“At the start of these negotiations, the F-35 Joint Program Office and our F-35 team jointly committed to conduct LRIP-6 and –7 negotiations in an efficient manner that leveraged all we achieved from the LRIP-5 contract,” Lorraine Martin, Lockheed Martin F-35 Vice President and General Manager, said in a written statement. “Today’s agreement reflects our collective JPO/Lockheed Martin delivery on that commitment. We know how critical aircraft production is to meeting our services’ Initial Operational Capability dates, beginning with the Marine Corps in 2015, and we’re committed to making that happen.”

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hibeam July 31, 2013 at 2:31 pm

U.S. Makes Deal for 71 More JSFs. "They don't work very well so we will need more than we originally thought" "Perhaps hundreds more"

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Andy July 31, 2013 at 2:37 pm

You do know we were set from the beginning to buy like 2400 right?

Its fun to watch your posts miss the mark so very often.

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Jim in Palmdale August 1, 2013 at 2:32 pm

hi beam actually seems like quite a dim bulb.

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02144pomroy January 22, 2014 at 12:24 am

Yes! We need more of these baby seals to be clubbed!

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Andy July 31, 2013 at 2:38 pm

“The JSF brings very low observable stealth capability combined it with advanced fighter capability. We’ve never had that before – fighter performance like this in a stealth aircraft,” said Dick Cathers, deputy capture lead, F-35 Korea, Lockheed Martin.

Really? Could've sworn we had better stealth capability in a better fighter for the last 15 years. If your going to pitch the thing at least use something that is actually factual.

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hibeam July 31, 2013 at 2:47 pm

“The JSF brings very low capability" "We’ve never had that before"

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blight_ July 31, 2013 at 3:01 pm

"We’ve never had that before – fighter performance like this in a stealth aircraft"

Going to recheck SMSgt Mac's elementsofpower for the rebuttal

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Atomic Walrus July 31, 2013 at 3:29 pm

"deputy capture lead, F-35 Korea" – it would seem that this comment was made regarding the Korean air force. Unless, of course, you know of some other stealth aircraft previously operated by Korea.

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Lance July 31, 2013 at 4:15 pm

Sorry we had that before the F-22 which is a better buy than a Mach 1 low maneuverable F-16 replacement sorry.

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Atomic Walrus August 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm

You're failing basic reading comprehension here. This guy is a Lockheed sales lead working on selling the F-35 to Korea for their air force. Korea does not operate F-22s, and does not currently have any stealth fighters in their air force. His remarks relate to the Korean Air Force, not the USAF. The blog post is not particularly clear as written, but the context should be obvious.

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Andrew August 1, 2013 at 11:59 am

F-35 isn't even a good fighter. It's a great A2G platform which the F-35 excess better at Air-to ground than being a fighter.

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Josh August 2, 2013 at 4:07 pm

You completely ignored the second part of that quote which was talking about the advanced fighter capability PAIRED with the stealth. I think he as referring to DAS.

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superraptor July 31, 2013 at 2:48 pm

The PAKFA T-50 is expected to fly with MACH 2.5 at 70000 feet and because of supermaneuverability will be able to evade AMRAAMS even when launched by the few F-22 s we have. We are in trouble. Let's build some better air-to-air missiles while we can. Oh, I forgot , those new missiles won't come, sunk by GOP sponsored sequestration

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Joe_Sovereign July 31, 2013 at 3:08 pm

First:
We are 15 Trillion dollars in debt the sequestration cut 15% of one years growth out of the budget. The sequestration was idiot Obama's idea not the idiot GOP.

Second:
New missles to fight a phantom plane that nobody is building, that doesn't really have the capabilities you describe, in case we fight a war that will never happen. Is a waste of money in a country on the fast track to economic collapse.

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superraptor July 31, 2013 at 3:19 pm

great, then let's build 2400 F-35s which have the turning radius of an F-4, can be blown up by lightning in a thunder storm, cannot stop on a wet runway and cost 1.5 trillion, sounds cost effective to me. And by the way the PAKFA will be operational in 2016 and the J-20 in 2017. Watch us being kicked out of Asia soon. Even if sequestration was President Obamas idea, it has been successfully executed by the GOP which hopefully will be kicked out in 2014.

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PolicyWonk July 31, 2013 at 3:45 pm

And John Boehner and Mitch McConnell both went on Fox to boast that "we got everything we wanted out of the sequestration deal…" (paraphrased).

Don't insult everyone's intelligence by pretending the GOP's poo don't stink. They are after all, the party that caused the economic disaster we're still recovering from, and are still the part standing in the way of fixing the disasters they created on their watch.

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Lance July 31, 2013 at 4:17 pm

I dont see us getting kicked out of anywhere by CHina or Russia. But the F-35 is inferior to theF16 its meant to replace and is no way a Harrier replacement we need. Sequestration did some good. It killed ICC and hopefully MHS and but GCV out a ways. Its all pork we never ask solders what we need its some dingbat General getting money from BIG companies who do.

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Arthur August 3, 2013 at 7:36 pm

The Marines have stated the F-35 did more in the "Sea Trials", than they ever did with the Harrier. The F-35 has 25% more range (clean) than a Harrier with external tanks.

Jeff July 31, 2013 at 6:46 pm

Their watch…the GOP has had only the Congress not the Senate and only for 3 years….who's been president for 5 years…..Obama you know the guy who hates America and can't pronounce Marine Corps. I think he's done blaming Bush though now he's blaming Reagan, Eisenhower and Lincoln for his blunders.

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STemplar July 31, 2013 at 10:47 pm

Both parties caused the economic meltdown. The dems with their social engineering of the loan industry in the 90s coupled with the GOPs willingness to simply let the same atrocious lending practices go on is what caused the bubble that ultimately collapsed.

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F105-Thud August 7, 2013 at 3:41 am

It was the GOP that changed the loan industry and enabled yet another great depression that the Glass Steagal Act of 1933 was designed to prevent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%

tiger August 1, 2013 at 7:37 pm

So find one non DOD program the Golfer in Chief is cutting?

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@PanikaFalcon July 31, 2013 at 7:13 pm

That was nice comment!

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edddyames July 31, 2013 at 10:54 pm

BS on Republican sponsored sequestration ! They still are getting the 1 trillion dollars every year from what was supposed to be a one time deal. Sequestration is Obama's baby 100%. It hasn't stopped him from giving billions to America's enemies or taking 100,000,000 dollar vacations.

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IknowIT July 31, 2013 at 11:08 pm

Only idiots think both parties and the stupid population (and corruption) are NOT to blame.. You guys can have fun being divided while all the politicians laugh their arses off. Want to fix the economy? Start by cutting entitlements AND defense all by 50%.. No one happy means it's probably the right thing.

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Guest August 1, 2013 at 12:33 pm

White House originated sequestration.

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superraptor August 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm

GOP executed it

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Guest August 2, 2013 at 12:20 pm

It is also suspected to shoot rainbow lasers, have an invisibility cloak, and mind control. You doubt the LM release material but subscribe to Russian claims?!? They say a sucker is born every minute…

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Blake August 2, 2013 at 4:10 pm

The PAK-FA's engines exploded upon takeoff and the project has had many major problems. The stealth is rumored to be about that of an F-18 Super Hornet and the PAK-FA is about as maneuverable as an F-16. The PAK-FA is a piece of shit failure. They would be better off with an SU-35.

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kleb1 August 2, 2013 at 9:37 pm

Just so you know president Obama came up with sequestration. Our president needed the debt ceiling raised republicans said no budget cuts no debt cap raise.

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02144pomroy January 22, 2014 at 12:26 am

Dude! The sequestration was Obozo's idea.

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tee July 31, 2013 at 3:04 pm

In the Senate yesterday and I quote "“The bill fully funds the requested 29 joint strike fighter aircraft in fiscal year 2014. But it reduces advanced procurement for fiscal year
2015 out of concern that we must focus on the existing challenges in testing, design and development before ramping up,” Durbin said." So I see only the $$$ for 29 for 2014 and a reduced buy for 2015 according to Durbin.
. http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130730/DEFRE

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tee July 31, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Remember the Pentagon & LM can make all the deals they want, but Durbin and his crowd actually CUT the CHECKS.

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Adm July 31, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Wasting money on something that isn't even good at ACM.

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tiger August 1, 2013 at 7:40 pm

Who have we even needed to fight in ACM since 1991?

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Big-Dean July 31, 2013 at 3:30 pm

"The JSF brings very low observable stealth capability combined it with advanced fighter capability."

Wrong on both accounts

-repeat after me generals, admirals and politicians, "stealth does not mean invisible, stealth does now mean invisible", and repeat 1000 times until you get it

-"the F-35 is not a fighter, the F-35 is not a fighter", repeat 1000 times until you get it

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Peter July 31, 2013 at 3:38 pm

From the UK

Oh, I wish we weren't buying this!

We threw our own expertise away years ago, anyone remember the TRS2 fiasco? We could have been better and more profitable than this.

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Beno August 1, 2013 at 4:07 am

Also from the UK

Please go read up on the design and build of the F35 variants. And let TSR2 go for gods sake.

Dependant on the variant F35's are a significant % British.
RR has done a stunning job on the F35B Harrier replacement VTOL
( from a UK perspective we tend to just see it as a harrier replacement as we have Typhoon for A2A )

As a tier 1 partner the tax income alone from the world F35 sales will pay for our carrier strike force of F35's outright. Now thats a good investment. We effectivly get ours for free !

I dont think the UK can gripe about this deal. ( Tho i can understand why the US might )

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blight_ August 1, 2013 at 9:41 am

RR gave us the LiftSystem; but I'm not sure what else the UK is contributing in terms of fighter design.

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tiger August 1, 2013 at 7:42 pm

Uh, a checkbook in Euros…….

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Beno August 2, 2013 at 4:06 am

You really should look up some details you would be amazed my US cousine. As i say we have contributed significantly !

BAE Systems provides aft fuselage and empennages, horizontal and vertical tails, crew life support and escape systems. Electronic warfare systems, fuel system, and Flight Control Software
Have a read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-3

Oh "tiger" the UK is still in pounds sterling btw :)
( however your right about the blank cheque !!! )

I still think this will be a great aircraft. Im just not sure when ?

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blight_ August 2, 2013 at 9:54 am

BAE acquired LM's Aerospace Electronics Systems unit in 2000.

That gives them a seat at the table for JSF's electronics, but I'm not sure if that's really a British contribution….

Peter's point is that indigenous aerospace industry suffers when your role is reduced to that of a subcontractor. But the world isn't ready for more fighters just yet. Ideally we would return to industry-driven R&D with government collaboration: building lots of demonstrators based on production aircraft to test new things just to keep the engineering skillset going without breaking the bank.

Beno August 2, 2013 at 4:58 am

ooops forgot one, the helment mounted display is currently from the RAF Typhoon as the US one isnt working yet.

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Papi1960R August 3, 2013 at 1:20 am

If the UK had sucked up some of its pride in being so anti-French. The Original European Aircraft Carrier Program would have continued on schedule. The European Future Fighter program would have continued on schedule. The UK would have two operational carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth & HMS Prince of Wales of 65,000 tons with a compliment of 60 British co-produced made Rafale M and 4 Hawkeye. France would have CDG still in service and with a new 60,000 ton Carrier(God knows what they would name it) at sea trials with the CDG replacement under construction.
Pride and the inability to "just say no" to the "Special Relationship" leaves the UK with no carrier for years, the probability of not being able afford to place HMS Prince of Wales into service and 100s of Billions of Euros spent on a force built around a aircraft which will never be able to match a Cat & Trap aircraft in any category except Billion dollar gee-whiz gizmos.
My biggest question is with the extremely short range of the F-35B, even with no weapons, what are they going to use for tankers for the F-35Bs? It kind of defeats the purpose of Stealth if you have to have those huge RAF Voyagers come out to refuel for a mission half the distance that the Hornet or Rafale will do on internal fuel.

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SMSgt Mac August 5, 2013 at 9:22 pm

That's TOO funny!
Lecturing the UK about 'teaming' and 'relationships' while touting the products from the same nation that bailed on the Eurofighter in a 'hissy fit' because the rest of the 'partners' wouldn't give them ultimate say in the design AND the vast bulk of the work.

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superraptor July 31, 2013 at 3:43 pm

Ronald Reagan 1981:
Peace through strength
GOP 2013:
World chaos through weakness

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blkknight July 31, 2013 at 10:14 pm

Who is president?
The same guy who said in the campaign the military isn't looking for more.
BTW, he's not in the GOP.

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superraptor August 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm

As far as Obama is concerned, he is a lefty and nobody expects anything from him, but that the GOP would join the left to sacrifice the military on the altar of no new taxes is remarkable and will get them kicked out of office.

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Ron July 31, 2013 at 6:55 pm

I love all you Nineess put this bird down and it's capabilities, you believe all you read they put out there. Remember we didn't even know B2 bomber exist , it sure scare the Soviet's that the Union folded. Point is you guys will be right along with me Gawking with amazement at the air show as soon as the dust settles.

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Beno August 1, 2013 at 4:25 am

TRUE. the 360 by 360 sensor fusion technology may redefine air warfare.
With the ability to fire on any target anywhere without even turning the plane.

Im looking forward to seeing what these things can REALLy do

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blight_ August 1, 2013 at 9:47 am

…that's what demonstrators are for. You port it to some other aircraft and show how awesome it is. Then you put it into your newest aircraft, and separately push an option to backport it to older aircraft. We certainly aren't saving time or money this way…

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Sanchos August 1, 2013 at 6:45 am

I kinda think usa dileberatly linked false info to china regarding the f35. I do believe that this aircraft will be something truly unbelievable. All this money they have poured into this plane, usa capabilities for building amazing military equipment which is basically unrivalled by other countries will astound us.

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guest August 1, 2013 at 10:31 am

You're actually onto something. The F-35, in today's configurations, will not be the F-35 of 5-7 years from now. I'd be curious to see the bloc upgrades and the timetable for implementation. There are weapons systems on the drawing board now that will mature in 5-10 years and be ready for deployment on the F-35, such as daylight stealth and the 100kw solid state laser.

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02144pomroy January 22, 2014 at 12:29 am

I guess we can pray in the mean time.

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@PanikaFalcon July 31, 2013 at 7:21 pm

Hey 85 milion? Tha is "just" 30 mil more the hornet…
Hell if they meet this price I would be surprised! Maybe new tactic by military industrila complex say it will be 90 the 120 the 130 plane and then on bring of terminating project announced it will be 85 and every one forgets it was to be 65 million plane…

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citanon July 31, 2013 at 9:04 pm

$65 million FY2001 dollars is $85 FY2015 dollars.

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tiger August 1, 2013 at 7:47 pm

So for about the price of 3 F-14 Tomcats, I get a F-35A? Great…..

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citanon August 2, 2013 at 12:10 am

Try making the Tomcat today.

The truth is the F35 is not a bad deal at $85 mil a piece, if they can actually keep to that price.

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ziv August 2, 2013 at 8:44 am

I keep telling myself that great planes like the P38 and B29 were problematic early in their development, but I really hope that they can get a handle on these 'teething' problems soon. Lack of acceleration and skin peeling are bad but the lack of integration of the heads up display is really embarrassing at this stage.
I think that the F-35 will end up being a very good strike aircraft, and once they get the ability to carry 4 AMRAAM's internally, a reasonable air to air aircraft, but it could be 6 to 8 years before they really come into their own.
At $85M, they are finally getting close to what they need the cost down to.

blight_ August 2, 2013 at 9:50 am

If you produce infinity JSF's the price/unit approximates its flyaway costs.

/snicker

Rrmike July 31, 2013 at 10:15 pm

@policywonk: please tell me about the GOP policies that caused the recession. Clinton deregulated the banks. Barney Frank and the Dems pushed for lower lending standards so that more poors could buy homes. Look at Detroit to see what Dems can do when they have total control.

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PolicyWonk August 1, 2013 at 7:50 pm

It is looked at as pure negligence on the part of the economy, let alone managing this nations affairs.

While Slick Willie did sign the deregulation legislation, he also said at the signing of the bill that since we couldn't be aware of all its repercussions, that the US would have to monitor and fix the legislation to fill holes and unintended consequences.

The warnings started coming soon after Mr. Bush took over w/r/t problems in the financial and real estate sectors (in 2001). The administration and heads of the GOP led houses of representatives did nothing and ignored all the reports/warnings until the fiscal roof caved in. At the same time, they also failed to manage this nations debt, after inheriting a $700B annual surplus, while ignoring the multitudes of warnings w/r/t the upcoming terrorist attacks. After the attack on the WTC, that was used as broad license to start the longest war in American history (sans any strategy to win, clear political objectives, or plans to bring the troops home), and financed it by borrowing money from a communist dictatorship. At the same time, they gave a huge tax break to the uber-wealthy that caused the solid fiscal foundation this nation enjoyed to evaporate.

Furthermore, they sold out this nations national security down the tubes by allowing this nations strategic manufacturing base to migrate to Communist China, while transferring huge amounts of dual-use technologies (making Clinton look like an angel in comparison), millions of jobs, and the tax base that went with it.

Read Pat Buchanan's many editorials on the topic. He predicted that we'd lose millions of jobs (check), the Chinese would start a huge military build-up (check) and they start throwing their diplomatic weight around (check), we'd have millions of new people on the welfare, food-stamp, and unemployment roles (check), while losing the tax base (check – and note who Romney included in the so-called 47% – the very people the GOP disenfranchised!).

Put the above together, and the complete contempt for our allies by failing to manage our economy, financial, and real estate sectors (most of the damage got done in the first 6 years), and it all adds up to the worst economic/financial meltdown since the Great Depression.

GW Bush earned his ranking of 39th (out of 43, overall) in the Presidential Rankings Studies conducted since. And the GOP-led HoR has earned its place in history as the worst/laziest HoR ever (and an approval rating lower than used car salesmen).

Obama's hardly perfect. But he's FAR better than the alternatives were.

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jamesb July 31, 2013 at 10:36 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong ….
Wasn't the Israeli's supposed get the first A/C?

I see the Brit's already have one?

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BlackOwl18E July 31, 2013 at 11:38 pm

71 brand new mistake jets for an obscene price… This is all one big scandal.

Defense Secretary Hagel said he was going to need to gut the forces of personnel in order to save the F-35 program: http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/07/31/hagel-

Hagel's not just talking of personnel, he's talking of benefits to veterans and other things. The Pentagon has put procurement over people in the recent past and right now it looks like they will be faced with very serious decisions in the near future. They can have the people or the F-35, but not both.

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blight_ August 1, 2013 at 9:42 am

"procurement over people"

But people over procurement is "welfare", and we can't have that

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BlackOwl18E August 1, 2013 at 10:21 am

I hope you're being sarcastic…

When it comes to the altar of budget cuts the Pentagon has always cut people and not programs in the recent years.

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Blackowl18Eistroll August 2, 2013 at 1:35 pm

Get it through your small mind already. The F-35 is happening and there is nothing you can do about it.

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BlackOwl18E August 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm

Actually, I have now been convinced that the F-35 is not as invulnerable as I once thought it was. Leaked documents have shown that the Pentagon has been secretly considering cancelling the F-35 program due to cost overruns, delays, and many technical problems with the aircraft: http://rt.com/usa/pentagon-f35-stealth-bomber-963

I honestly don't think that it's going to be cancelled this year, but I have high hopes that it will be cancelled next year or the year after. The Pentagon is getting tired of it finally and it's becoming increasingly harder to defend in congress with budget hounds constantly biting at it. I think it is finally starting to break at the seams and I don't know if the Pentagon is willing to gut its larger forces for the sake of this jet when it hasn't delivered on its promises, is way too late on delivery, is way too over budget, and leaks our valuable stealth tech secrets to foreign powers because the large supply chain is full of holes. The Pentagon is finally cracking.

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hibeam July 31, 2013 at 11:48 pm

The thing I like best about the F-35 is the little organic dude inside that requires large heavy expensive life support systems and limits the G's the aircraft can pull. We need to build fighters without that little organic dude inside. Go Navy!

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Gunslinger6 August 1, 2013 at 1:28 pm
tiger August 1, 2013 at 7:56 pm

We are not ready for Cylons just yet on the sticks…..

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BlackOwl18Eistroll August 2, 2013 at 1:39 pm

If that is what you want, go watch the movie "Stealth."

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JCross July 31, 2013 at 11:53 pm

And, remember, these still aren't even combat capable. Can they at least put on the proper Y-designator for prototypes, even though they rarely use it now. All of the LRIP planes should be the YF-35A/B/C

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Atomic Walrus August 1, 2013 at 2:32 pm

Pick up a copy of the book "Strike Eagle" sometime. It's about the operations of F-15Es in Desert Storm in 1991. The F-15E was a relatively new aircraft in the USAF inventory in 1991, and there's a lot of discussion in the book about the rush to clear the aircraft to drop ordnance in the run-up to the campaign. It's not uncommon for aircraft to enter service before they're properly ready to fight a war.

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JCross August 2, 2013 at 12:18 am

On the surface it seems a fair comparison, but be honest. The F-15 had been in service for 2 years before the Gulf war, and had already achieved IOC for half a year, with 2 full squadrons equipped. The planes had not had all clearances yet, and were rare, but they were still a complete finished design in full-rate production. The F-35 is no where near that. Over half of the systems on the F-35 are not finished yet.

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Bill August 1, 2013 at 7:09 am

Of course, buy more Jets but furlough all the DoD Civil Servant Engineers, Technicians, and Scientists. Lockheed has the best lobbiests in the world and politicians in their pockets. The retired and discharged soldiers and sailors promised civil service jobs when they seperate, except the salary and hiring freezes will prevent that from becoming a reality.

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Tinto August 1, 2013 at 10:02 am

Just another Obamacare, fressed in Military Cameo.

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hibeam August 1, 2013 at 10:51 am

U.S. Makes Deal for 71 More JSFs. Or 75? Hard to count em they are so stealthy.

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john August 1, 2013 at 12:04 pm

This plane is fat. It can't exceed high mach speeds. It's not a fighter and it will never be just like F-16 F-18. The F-35 just brings great abilities as a bomb truck. F-35 can't compete with newer russian fighters at close range. It's only capable in BVR. F-35 isn't a good fighter and isn't a fighter. The F-35 is better at Ground Attack which is why the F-35 was designed: To be a great Air-to-Mud aircraft.

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hibeam August 1, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Its really more of an attack blimp than a fighter jet.

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tiger August 1, 2013 at 8:07 pm

The threat is NSA chatter boxes. Not Migs in the clouds…

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displacedjim August 1, 2013 at 4:20 pm

Ignorant fanbois are ignorant.

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Uncle Bill August 1, 2013 at 6:22 pm

Government funding always increases costs and promotes corruption, but we have to provide for the common defense. Intense oversight is called for. Our weapons systems are the best in the world but they could be produced for less money. On the other hand the fraud in DOD procurement pales in comparison to food stamps, welfare, disability and the coming America-killer, Obamacare.

My personal opinion is that the F35 will be a fantastic aircraft with unbelievable capabilities that will serve USA and allies well for many decades. But the naysayers, they exist to say nay. I remember long ago being shocked by the price tags at the time of more than 20 million per aircraft. But then those aircraft have gone on to dominate whenever used in combat. Money well spent. The same will be true of the F35.

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02144pomroy January 22, 2014 at 12:34 am

Pierre Sprey for president 2016!

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tee August 1, 2013 at 7:44 pm

"Despite Signs of Stability, Senate Concerned on JSF" from "Defense News today".
And I quote.
"Members of the US Senate disagree. The same day as the deal was announced, the Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee approved a $516.4 billion base budget for the Pentagon that fully funded the Pentagon’s desire to purchase nearly 30 F-35 fighters in 2014.

But lawmakers’ concerns over concurrency led to a reduction in advanced procurement for fiscal 2015 so the program can “focus on the existing challenges in testing, design and development before ramping up,” committee Chairman Sen. Dick Durbin D-Ill. said.

“Aggressive overlap in designing, testing and procuring this aircraft earlier in its history got us into serious trouble,” Durbin said, “and this committee is eager to avoid a repeat of these problems.”

.http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130730/DEFREG/307300011/Despite-Signs-Stability-Senate-Concerned-JSF

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Hitch Hiker August 1, 2013 at 8:05 pm

"….and continue a reduction in F-35 aircraft pricing." You can count on that right? Watch and soon it will be an unavoidable increase that would only have been larger if we had not bought 71 more…and the band plays on.

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Mike August 8, 2013 at 3:48 am

We should have just stuck with the F22 Raptor….it will beat the F35 every time….and when it is all said and done it will cost less!!!

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Arthur August 3, 2013 at 7:26 pm

We need to take the F-117's out of storage, update some of the Avionics. Memory sticks have much more memory now, than was thought of in the 80's.

I have heard wonderful things about the F-35 from a pilot who flew U-2's and SR-71's and a lot of other a/c.

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Riceball August 6, 2013 at 2:06 pm

The problem is that the F-117 won't replace F-16s, 18s, or Harriers, it's a one trick pony while it does its job well it only helps the Air Force in the light attack role and would do nothing for anybody in the air to air role. But it would be nice to see a return to dedicated attack & dedicated fighter planes of old but I highly doubt we'll ever see that again.

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Big-Dean August 3, 2013 at 11:35 pm

WOW!, the F-35 mafia are out in force on this forum

Apparently in their minds the F-35 is the most awesome plane ever! It will take out a entire country with single sortie, wipe out a squadron of F-22s without batting an eye, and can fly around the world at Mach 6 on a single tank of gas while the pilot is drinking coffee and reading his newspaper!

Heck, If I was China I'd just throw in the towel now ;-P

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tee August 5, 2013 at 4:36 pm

"Pentagon considers canceling F-35 program" from "Defense Talk" today
. http://www.defencetalk.com/pentagon-considers-can
.
Also today from "Defense-Aerospace" "Senate Panel Reduces Funding for F-35 Program".
. http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/rel

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Free America August 6, 2013 at 4:12 pm

All of you naysayers have no idea what you are talking about. The F-35 is being designed for first day and initial strike. Why is there so much discussion about its turn radius and performance? We have that in the F-22. They were designed for two different missions and to compliment each other. The F-35 cannot menuever like the F-16 but how many aircraft can?

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libertybuckeye August 7, 2013 at 9:19 pm

Waste of money to the military industrial complex.

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Mike August 8, 2013 at 3:57 am

We should be sticking with the F22 and the F16 they will always be better planes than the F35….and it looks like they both will cost less to. The F35 program was a bad idea from the start……multinational fighter….that we pay for??? The F35 program is as dirty as the V22 Osprey program….a lot of people stealing taxpayer money.

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football July 13, 2014 at 4:12 pm

I honestly believe that Adrian Peterson, Arian Foster, Ray Rice, Marshawn Lynch, or Jamaal Charles should be your
focus in the first round. With the help of online resources you can easily find several online
gaming sites. I guess a handful of suspensions was enough to satisfy the NCAA.

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hibeam August 1, 2013 at 10:52 am

So stealthy we don't see anything.

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mithat August 2, 2013 at 12:12 am

It's on the next comment friend:) Sorry for this.

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F105-Thud August 7, 2013 at 3:43 am

Wikipedia: Gramm Leach Bliley Act
Glass Steagal Act

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