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Contracts Awarded to Develop Laser Pods that Shoot Down Missiles

by Mike Hoffman on October 30, 2013

Laser PodsThe U.S. handed out two contracts Monday to Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin to develop laser pods that can be mounted on aircraft and shoot down missiles.

Under Project Endurance, Northrop Grumman received a $14.6 million contract and Lockheed Martin received $11.4 million to develop laser weapons to protect manned and unmanned aircraft.  Project Endurance was included in the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency’s (DARPA) fiscal year 2014 budget.

Endurance was born out of DARPA’s Excalibur program in which engineers have worked to “develop coherent optical phased array technologies to enable scalable laser weapons that are 10 times lighter and more compact than existing high-power chemical laser systems,” according to a DARPA release.

Research on lasers has advanced to such a point the military feels ready to install them aboard aircraft and utilize them as a key defense system.

Of course, this is certainly not the first time the military has tried to build laser weapons onto aircraft. There was the ill fated Airborne Laser program that was engineered to shoot down ballistic missiles. However, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates ended up doing most of the shooting when he killed the program along with other that he deemed unrealistic and too expensive.

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Brain October 30, 2013 at 5:18 pm

I guess this also goes a long ways in answering the threat of Russian T-50's, or Chinese J-20's, breaking through to our airborne command/control planes.

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Rest Pal November 1, 2013 at 12:42 am

Pipe dream.

Even if the US can afford to spend 150 million on R&D, it won't see any tangible result for a decade or more. And there is no guarantee that the US can survive a decade.

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Josh November 2, 2013 at 2:35 am

lol, $150 million will get you 1 F-22; the Pentagon spends around $60 billion a year on black projects.

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Rest Pal November 6, 2013 at 12:06 pm

Ahhh, black projects, where no one, not even the head of the Pentagon, can track how the money has been spent.

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Ryan January 9, 2014 at 4:17 am

I think your right, but moreover its to counter chinas developing longrange anti ship weapons.

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Clint Notestine October 30, 2013 at 6:21 pm

I wonder if you could slap a few of these to an AC-130 to use against ground targets

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jhm October 30, 2013 at 6:35 pm

pew pew pew

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Big-B October 31, 2013 at 11:22 am

As im not a native english speaker it took me a few seconds and then i got it… rofl :-)
X-Wing anyone?

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brian October 30, 2013 at 7:15 pm

too bad there thinking of retiring that craft gonna be a sad day whaen that happens

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Hunter76 October 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm

No problem. The AC-130 will be replaced by the F-35.

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Guest October 31, 2013 at 1:33 am

Except for how they're making more: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-relea

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PolicyWonk October 31, 2013 at 8:11 am

The lasers are supposed to be defensive, and while the current versions of the AC-130 are eventually going to be retired, they are more likely being replaced by new version(s).

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Ben October 30, 2013 at 10:21 pm

It's a cool idea, but I highly doubt any modern day airborne laser could compete with conventional AC-130 guns.

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Musson October 31, 2013 at 7:20 am

They would be prohibited by the Geneva Convention because they might cause blindness. (I am not making that up.)

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Thomas L. Nielsen October 31, 2013 at 9:20 am

Not necessarily.

Protocol IV on Blinding Laser Weapons of the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons prohibits the employment of "laser weapons specifically designed, as their sole combat function or as one of their combat functions, to cause permanent blindness to unenhanced vision".

The protocol also specifically states that "Blinding as an incidental or collateral effect of the legitimate military employment of laser systems, including laser systems used against optical equipment, is not covered by the prohibition of this Protocol".

[The protocol can be downloaded at Reply

blight_ October 31, 2013 at 9:58 am

You Read-The-Formal/F'in-Manual, and posted a link.

I am pleased. :)

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PLASleeper October 30, 2013 at 7:10 pm
PLASleeper October 30, 2013 at 7:10 pm
PLASleeper October 30, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RRGED October 30, 2013 at 7:30 pm

STAR WARS here we come!!! I hope we fine tune this technology soon, well done.

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D_Z October 31, 2013 at 5:27 am

Indeed. It's interesting how will that influence the tactics of air combat. More emphasis on cannons? (I assume that missile-killing laser is still significantly underpowered to shoot down whole airplane)

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blight_ October 31, 2013 at 9:59 am

Or a return of laser pods, perhaps on an unfixed mount. Or turrets.

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MCQknight October 30, 2013 at 7:33 pm

I assume that the power necessary for "shooting down" air-to-air or surface-to-air missiles would be much lower than that for a balistic missile since a) the targets are smaller, and b) as they are being shot AT you not over you they are much closer. Plus you probably wouldn't have to destroy the missile outright but just destroy or blind the sensor guiding the missile to the aircraft.

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Aleksandar011 October 30, 2013 at 9:44 pm

Perhaps it doesn't even need to shoot down incoming missile. Point the laser into IR seeker and it'll got "blinded" and miss the target. Also radars in radar guided missiles might malfunction when heated.

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joe October 31, 2013 at 4:00 am

It's also a rapidly manouvring object trying to hit (or at least get within fragmentation range) of another rapidly manouvring object. You wouldn't have to do much damage to the control surfaces, or even the aerodynamic shape, to seriously affect this.

By comparison, a ballistic missile MIRV is a big, heatshielded brick falling on a purely inertial path – which is why ABM stuff tends to aim for it in the boost phase…

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Brett October 31, 2013 at 9:06 am
Brian B. Mulholland October 30, 2013 at 8:34 pm

Goes nicely with the rapid improvement in the state of the IR detection art.

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Stephen N Russell October 30, 2013 at 9:28 pm

Seen this in some sci fic movie someplace, forgot title.
& Airwolf 2 copter had nose Laser but for weapon use not shooting down missiles , See Airwolf on DVD

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Mystick October 31, 2013 at 12:31 pm

Real Genius

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blight_ October 31, 2013 at 12:38 pm

At least we aren't being prodded to watch Stealth, ad nauseum.

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hibeam October 30, 2013 at 10:18 pm

This is a great bearded lunatic deterrent. You don't get your 23 virgins. What you do get is blinded. Takes all the fun out of Jihad.

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Big-Dean October 30, 2013 at 11:25 pm

oh drats, I was just about to sign up at jihard.com, I hear that their WEBSITE is
working just fine ;-P

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Johannes October 31, 2013 at 1:06 am

HELLADS???????

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Dfens October 31, 2013 at 7:45 am

I understand they are going to test these lasers by mounting them on sharks first.

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tmb2 October 31, 2013 at 12:34 pm

LCS's Anti-mine module?

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Hoef October 31, 2013 at 4:54 pm

Nah. Because of the sequester, they will have to settle for ill-tempered sea bass.

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Dfens November 1, 2013 at 10:18 am

Oh well, that's a start.

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the-dude November 4, 2013 at 4:39 am
anthony October 31, 2013 at 7:50 am

It should be able to shoot its beamer milliseconds on more then one two or 3 targets..

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RWood October 31, 2013 at 11:24 am

When I saw the picture, the first thing that came into mind was the 1985 Val Kilmer movie Real Genius. Now all we need is a house filled with popcorn kernels.

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TonyC. October 31, 2013 at 12:49 pm

The idea of laser's to destroy missiles is appealing, The problem is the power the laser's can generate is usually required to hold a single point for over a second. Moving aircraft and missiles don't allow that much time. It will be intersting to see what comes out of this project?

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Paul October 31, 2013 at 1:48 pm

A laser guidance(2nd/3rd laser) directing the turret probably can fix that -similarly found on the YAL 1 testbed.

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Curt October 31, 2013 at 3:35 pm

The NKC-135A Airborne Laser Lab destroyed Sidewinder missiles in flight in the 1980s. It's a matter of powerdensity not aiming.

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Steve N November 2, 2013 at 12:41 pm

The target-acquire-and-hold tech should be fine, unless the target is moving very erratically. The problem is the power source for the laser. Lasers are so inefficient that the power source would have to be gigantic for a laser powerful enough to damage missiles etc.

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Lance October 31, 2013 at 1:56 pm

Think this is wishful thinking by USAF brass. We tried this many time lasers wont make our planes invincible and so we will waste billions on a failed experiment again. Ooooff.

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Steve N November 2, 2013 at 12:39 pm

Thank you. The lasers themselves aren't the problem. All the tech is there. It's the power source. Lasers are too inefficient at this point in time. The power source would have to be gigantic. i.e. AC-130 or 747-size to carry it, at least. Certainly not a drone.

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STemplar October 31, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Brian B. Mulholland October 31, 2013 at 8:37 pm

TonyC, the state of the art IS improving. Besides, if the missile is coming right at you, you have a low-deflection shot. And MCQKnight is right, it's enough to blind it.

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RCDRONE November 1, 2013 at 8:50 am

They had a verson where the system would be placed on a Boeing 747. It purpose was only to shoot down ICBM Missiles.

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AntiChina November 1, 2013 at 10:23 am

The IRCM technology to aim a laser at an incoming missile is already proven and has been in use for decades. I can see this working on the sensitive seeker head of missile coming straight toward the aircraft. A a radar seeker has a thin nosecone with a probably sensitive radar antenna underneath and an IR seeker would be blinded immediately. The only challenge is to get the power of the laser up high enough to destroy the seeker which seems within reach.

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Steve N November 2, 2013 at 12:30 pm

This whole idea is pure nonsense and a waste of resources. At this time, lasers are too inefficient. Technologically, we can build a powerful enough laser. It's the power source that's the problem. Not drone-scale friendly.

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L Steven Spak November 4, 2013 at 2:56 pm

This is a step in the right direction. As always, baby boys will grow up someday to be Soldiers and Generals. But first they must crawl before they can walk. Remember, we are still shooting metal projectiles from hollow metal tubes with gunpowder as our main defensive weapon. That is stone-age. And stone age is where we Americans will be if we don't get higher tech before the Chinese. Teach science and creative engineering. You want your children harvesting rice in an Alabama swamp and living in a hut with a dirt floor? Science and technology is the new weapon. Lasers and computers in Space are the new artillery. Ignorance is the "Achilles Heel!"

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