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Lockheed Unveils Plans for SR-72

by Brendan McGarry on November 4, 2013

SR-72

Lockheed Martin Corp., the world’s largest defense contractor, has unveiled plans for an unmanned successor to the famous SR-71 Blackbird spy plane.

The new twin-engine, hypersonic aircraft, known as SR-72 and nicknamed “Son of Blackbird,” will be designed to fly as fast as Mach 6. That’s six times the speed of sound — more than 3,500 miles per hour — and twice as fast as its predecessor.

Details of the jet were first reported last week by Aviation Week, a trade publication. The Bethesda, Md.-based company wants to fly a missile to demonstrate the technology as soon as 2018. An operational aircraft could be ready by 2030 for surveillance or strike missions.

“Hypersonic aircraft, coupled with hypersonic missiles, could penetrate denied airspace and strike at nearly any location across a continent in less than an hour,” Brad Leland, Lockheed’s program manager for hypersonics, wrote in a blog post.

“Speed is the next aviation advancement to counter emerging threats in the next several decades,” he added. “The technology would be a game-changer in theater, similar to how stealth is changing the battlespace today.”

Like its predecessor, the aircraft is being developed by the company’s Skunk Works advanced development programs facility in California.

The plane would use a two-phase propulsion system. A standard jet turbine would propel the plane as fast as Mach 3, then a ramjet would kick in and accelerate the craft to hypersonic speeds.

SR-72_engine_diagram

Lockheed has teamed with the engine manufacturer Aerojet Rocketdyne, part of Rancho Cordova, Calif.-based GenCorp Inc., to integrate an off-the-shelf turbine with a supersonic combustion ramjet air-breathing jet engine to power the aircraft from standstill to Mach 6.

Lockheed has experimented with hypersonic aircraft before.

The company’s Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2, or HTV-2, an unmanned, arrowhead-shaped glider, crashed into the Pacific Ocean in 2011 after flying for more than nine minutes and reaching speeds of Mach 20. (A similar flight in 2010 also failed.)

HTV-2

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, the Pentagon’s advanced technology laboratory, which funded the project, later concluded the HTV-2 aircraft went so fast that its exterior coatings peeled apart from the airframe, creating gaps that caused the vehicle to roll and ultimately break apart.

The SR-72 will draw on lessons learned from the HTV-2 project, but won’t push the hypersonic envelop as far.

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blight_ November 4, 2013 at 7:48 am

Kiss stealth goodbye at this point. Catch me if you can.

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Dfens November 4, 2013 at 9:19 am

Speed is still life, but part of the equation has to be the ability to sustain that speed for long enough to get out of harm's way even with a couple of course changes thrown in to keep the missiles away. I'm certain the aircraft pictured above won't do that.

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blight_ November 4, 2013 at 11:36 am

I regard the image as little more than fan-art. Won't know anything substantial until demonstrators and associated information become public.

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shawn1999 November 5, 2013 at 8:33 am

I figured it was modeled on HTV-2. But who needs to turn to evade if you leave the pursuit in the dust? They didn't mention a ceiling, however, the SR-71 flew in the upper atmosphere, I believe it would take a missile a good 5-6 minutes to get that high. By then, the craft is around 300-400 miles away. You'd have to launch almost at the moment of detection, predict its flight path, and launch a missile that can be at altitude almost 400 miles from the point of contact (and hope it stayed on the course you predicted)

But, I imagine that like other aircraft, it's a great concept in today's market, but by 2030 when it is ready to roll, it will be obsolete

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sev November 5, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Unless you detect by radar soon enough to send a missile to intercept it.

Allen November 5, 2013 at 9:45 am
warspony November 5, 2013 at 11:16 am

If WE are seeing a demonstrator date of 2018, it's most likely flying now.

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Rest Pal November 5, 2013 at 4:37 pm

LOL. near term game changer? in your dreams. Not happening in the next 15-20 years. Is that near term?

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Allen November 5, 2013 at 9:45 am
Chris November 4, 2013 at 9:48 am

love this haha

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octopusmagnificens November 4, 2013 at 10:53 am

Wait! We will see the son of the Mig-25.

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blight_ November 4, 2013 at 11:49 am

Mig-26 to be unveiled!

I suppose they'll take an SA-3 and fire it from an airplane…

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Lance November 4, 2013 at 1:43 pm

WordUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JohnBob November 5, 2013 at 3:24 am
JohnBob November 5, 2013 at 3:25 am
Augest November 5, 2013 at 10:13 am

Really man, I mean think about it, The military could be on the phone with a erratic dictator from some country with nuclear weapons making threats to the US and the next thing you hear is a dial tone..The pilots can be back home eating dinner before the bad guys even know what the heck happened. SPEED KILLS!!

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Fordownr November 5, 2013 at 11:22 am

Ummm it's unmanned…..

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Rest Pal November 5, 2013 at 4:35 pm

Mach 6 is not a big deal. No need to catch it – just meet it head on – get into its trajectory and wait.

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TZR8 November 6, 2013 at 8:39 pm

Good luck with that. It's a plane, not a satellite. It can change course. Never mind the fact it's up at the edge of the atmosphere. What does anyone have that can get up there at all, let alone in time, and be able to loiter waiting for for the SR-72 to just come along and blunder right into it without changing course? Go back to the video games.

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Steve November 7, 2013 at 4:27 am

Well like all tech this days ,if you build a plane that can fly that high that fast , you can build a counter measure ( missile or interceptor) that can catch it
Im betting the Russians and Chinese are already working on something like that by now

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Dfens November 7, 2013 at 9:03 am

The USSR worked on being able to shoot down the SR-71 from 1966 until the break up with zero success. Let them work on trying to shoot one down now. The more money they put into defense, the less money they have to spend on offense.

freeamerica November 8, 2013 at 12:58 pm

Hey TZR8, Rest Pal is way, way out there. He hates anything non-Muslim and American. He gets irritated that he has to spew his hate via American inventions and ingenuity while trying to downplay American ingenuity and technology. He is one of those that believes Americans want to conquer the world (you know, like Islam does). I like picking on him because he is an easy target but do not expect any sense of logic or reality in his rants. He believes America destroyed the twin towers and the moon landing was a hoax. That should give you a good idea of who he is….

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fritzzz666 November 5, 2013 at 7:19 pm

Laser…just saying…

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muguvian November 4, 2013 at 7:53 am

To be pedantic the secondary propulsion described in the article is a scramjet not a ramjet, which maintains subsonic flow in the combustor.

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CRam November 4, 2013 at 6:49 pm

I thought Scramjets didn't start until MACH 6+….

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Dfens November 7, 2013 at 9:56 am

More like Mach 7 or 8.

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Spurlockda November 6, 2013 at 11:46 pm

Really? You are going to go toe to toe with the Skunk Works, DARPA, et al – and tell them they are wrong? Right?

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freeamerica November 8, 2013 at 1:16 pm

Spurlockda…99% of the post on this blog are negative and all of them indicate that they know more than SW, DARPA, et al. That is really what makes this blog so interesting…and laughable. These people know more about the F-35 tech and all other weapons programs than the engineers working on them. They also know exactly what we need in regards to national defense. I am sure they are plugged in to the whole world and know everything that is going on and can also anticipate with great accuracy what we need.

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Ethan November 4, 2013 at 7:58 am

It does mention that it would be a dual-mode ramjet. Does that mean that the ramjet would reconfigure to allow for scramjet operation after ignighting as a traditional ramjet?

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Dfens November 4, 2013 at 9:28 am

If it's not going any faster than Mach 6, I don't see why it would need to be a scramjet at all. It should work just fine as a ramjet up to that speed.

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mhears November 4, 2013 at 5:37 pm

To go mach 5 and above a scramjet is required.

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Docsenko November 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm

Or 3 squirrels.

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Dfens November 7, 2013 at 9:05 am

Maybe 4 squirrels at that speed.

d. kellogg November 4, 2013 at 7:59 am

As promising as it looks, we've all now seen LM's rather dismal performance getting both the F-22 and F-35 into service within the original timeframes and within original budgets.

Sadly, there are no more Kelly Johnsons and Rick Whitcombs within the ranks anymore.
This pipe dream needn't see a cent of taxpayer-funded R&D wasted on it.
What again does it bring to the table that the current and next generation hi-res satellites don't?

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PolicyWonk November 4, 2013 at 8:09 am

Indeed, Kelly Johnson returned money to the government when things didn't work out with whatever design/program they were involved in. Those days at Lockheed are long gone…

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Dfens November 4, 2013 at 9:24 am

Sad but true. Sadder still to see that Lockheed retired Kelly Johnson's position when Ben Rich retired. That once great company is an embarrassment to the name now.

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PolicyWonk November 4, 2013 at 12:42 pm

How true. I read Ben Rich's book, and it was a great, and highly informative read.

I recommend it to all fans of military aviation.

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shawn1999 November 5, 2013 at 8:37 am

PW,

Unlike high-res satellites, this one is planned to include hypersonic missiles. Weapons currently aren't allowed in space (to my knowledge, or that anyone is willing to admit)

"…ready by 2030 for surveillance or strike missions….Hypersonic aircraft, coupled with hypersonic missiles.."

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WulfTheSaxon November 10, 2013 at 6:04 pm

Weapons are most definitely allowed in space. Only “nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction” are banned per the Outer Space Treaty.

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guest November 4, 2013 at 8:30 am

Immunity from attack from anything other than a directed energy weapon.

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Dfens November 4, 2013 at 9:08 am

Good answer.

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SJE November 4, 2013 at 11:10 am

Or Congress

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Joe November 4, 2013 at 6:52 pm

Or an S-400, THAAD and ARROW….

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wdwmkr November 4, 2013 at 11:25 am
ddd November 4, 2013 at 7:26 pm

Unpredictability. Satellites have poor maneuverability due to limited fuel. They can only change their orbits a limited number of times, and adversaries typically know when they are overhead, allowing them to hide assets from view, or even shoot it down with an ASAT missile. An SR-72-like aircraft would offer complete surprise, outpacing an adversary's ability to predict its arrival, move targets, or shoot it down. It would also be cheaper and more easily upgradeable.

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tiger November 4, 2013 at 11:07 pm

We do not need a billion dollar jet to fight people making underwear bombs. Nice tech, but not high on any DOD need list.

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Riceball November 6, 2013 at 4:12 pm

Plus with an aircraft you can get it on station at pretty much anytime you want it to be there whereas with a satellite you have to wait until it's in the proper place in its orbit to look at where you want it to look at. On top of that, you only get one pass at a given location per orbit cycle so if your target is say obscured by cloud cover then tough luck, you have to wait until the satellite swings by again and hope that the weather is better then, with a plane you simply have to wait out the clouds and as soon as you feel the cloud cover is gone you send the plane again or, fuel permitting, it can just simply make another from the other direction.

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JohnB November 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm

Satellites also have limits on the duration of Fuel for the thrusters and battery life. Can't move them around much, like on TV unless you want to expell the fuel, early. Almost giving you a dead space vehicle, too

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d. kellogg November 5, 2013 at 1:36 pm

Wow, how grade school of you.

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Dfens November 4, 2013 at 9:14 am

Kelly Johnson must be rolling over in his grave to see this piece of crap being offered as the successor to the SR-71. It is less stealthy, has way too much base drag, and it is far less aerodynamically efficient than the SR-71. Hell, with that single vertical I doubt it even has enough rudder authority to stay pointy end forward, not to mention what it does to the stealth aspect of the airplane. This is clearly some pipe dream of someone who doesn't know what the hell they are doing. Hopefully they will have some more serious configurations being presented behind closed doors.

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blight_ November 4, 2013 at 9:22 am

It definitely looks bigger than the Blackbird. Then again, these are just concept arts, which will hopefully have nothing to do with the final product.

What would be cool is building new Blackbirds with newer high-performance engines…

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Kevin Huber November 4, 2013 at 11:30 am

There's nothing wrong with it's original engines. top speed was never achieved because of the limitation of the fuel load

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ronaldo December 10, 2013 at 1:38 pm

Well, that would come as a surprise to many A-12/SR pilots. Top speed was limited by atmospheric conditions and thermal build up.

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Kevin Huber November 4, 2013 at 11:42 am

I wouldn't worry about this that much. its either already been built and didn't pan out or its just the concept dept.'s wishful thinking. if it were a real proposal you'd never hear about it. I don't remember the building number, but there's a tunnel under their plant 42 site and they use it kinda like a museum/gallery. they have a bunch of stuff on the walls that's just "concept".

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Dfens November 7, 2013 at 9:22 am

I'm just saying this concept sucks. Hell, it has 2D intake diffusers. Granted, you're not going to see SR-71 style axi-symmetric diffusers for stealth reasons, but there are stealthy intake spike designs that are a lot closer to axi-symmetric performance than a 2D ramp. Hell, this cartoon plane would be lucky to make it to Mach 2.

Clearly they are using this concept to fish for funding, but to use something that's so obviously inadequate should be embarrassing. If you think Lockmart has plenty of good designs for an aircraft like this in some file folder in a safe, you're wrong. Kelly Johnson retired long ago, and his job was retired when Ben Rich retired. Even if they had more people with their capabilities, they wouldn't know it. Hell, neither would Boeing or NG for that matter.

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ddd November 4, 2013 at 7:28 pm

This is an artist's rendering.

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tiger November 4, 2013 at 11:11 pm

Your arguments make no sense.

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99airforce November 7, 2013 at 4:34 am

They mothballed the Sr fleet, they mothballed the shuttle fleet, the SOB is the peoples house is a first class idiot. How much do we have to give the Russians, to get to space? Crazy, we no longer have a manned space program.

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Dfens November 7, 2013 at 9:28 am

They cut the balls off this country long ago. Women and the flavor of the month club were going to run things so much better. And aren't they doing a bang up job of things now?

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Thomas L. Nielsen November 7, 2013 at 10:24 am

"Women"????

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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Ratto November 7, 2013 at 3:31 pm

Dfens, it is just art. LM is fishing for customer(s).

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Dfens November 7, 2013 at 9:18 pm

It's just art to you.

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Catherine Hedges November 11, 2013 at 10:11 am

I guarantee you, they've tested the design extensively in the most advanced flight simulators in the world prior to requesting a budget for the aircraft. Stuff like this doesn't get off the ground until the design is proven in theory

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JD Riches December 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm

Sir…Ms Hewson is preparing this company for the future, Mr Johnson was the past. The turnaround is already underway…I am putting my money on her turnaround, so should you

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RRGED November 4, 2013 at 9:19 am

How awesome is this if it was to put to fruition!

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tiger November 4, 2013 at 11:15 pm

It would be more awesome if Social Security would have money for me in 25 years…

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namae November 5, 2013 at 9:46 am

Talk about wishful thinking.

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octopusmagnificens November 4, 2013 at 10:49 am

Next-Generation Bomber, low speed and low altitude penetration. Son of the Blackbird, high speed and hihg altitude penetration.

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Waldo November 4, 2013 at 11:44 pm

Both NGB and SR72 are/will be huge wastes of resources. Both should focus on the mission and design a system optimized for the mission. The NGB should easily be an unmanned delivery vehicle that launches very high-speed or very stealthy 1,000 mile range missiles – no need for a bomber to penetrate anything. Will the SR72 really be cost-effective for its mission(s)? Satellites are already high speed and high altitude penetration. Whereas the "great" B2 is already known as a supreme waste (per the AF father of the program and its pilots), the NGB and SR72 will just be nation-bankrupting welfare for the defense industry. Been there; lived it from the inside.

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William_C1 November 5, 2013 at 1:31 am

Make a strategic bomber unmanned and you've pretty much erased the reason why we've retained such aircraft despite the availability of ICBMs AND SLBMs.

What we need is a more affordable, more modern B-2, and built in the planned number of 100+ aircraft, not cut to 21 drastically raising costs. What would also be nice is a true successor to the F-111. Smaller, faster, and more versatile than the NGB.

Regardless of your take on how useful this proposed "SR-72" would be, we should definitely continue development of such hypersonic technology. The concept has potential for precision strike as well, when other assets aren't in the region or can't get there fast enough.

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Hector Q. November 4, 2013 at 10:55 am

How often do we really need the capabilities of a hypersonic SR aircraft? Yes, I realize there's stuff that this bird would be able to do that a satellite or the subsonic U-2 can't. But how often is that, and is it really worth the huge cost of such a program to get these additional capabilities??

Lockheed's blog post on the SR-72 brags that the aircraft would be "managed by millions of lines of software code." Anytime I see the words Lockheed and millions of lines of aircraft computer code, I get worried. If this project is given the green light, it will come in many times over budget, and the time it will take to go from design to fully operational will be measured in decades!

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Kim Scholer November 4, 2013 at 10:59 am

If we restart the SR-71 production, we might as well do so with the A-10 too.

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Kevin Huber November 4, 2013 at 11:34 am

"Anytime I see the words Lockheed and millions of lines of aircraft computer code, I get worried." Yup! from the same folks that couldn't figure out Metric to Standard conversion.

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Big-Dean November 6, 2013 at 11:32 pm

Lockhead uses the Microsoft method, give them shitty code them real them in with endless "Service packs" and security upgrades

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ohwilleke November 4, 2013 at 8:07 pm

I'm also skeptical. You can get almost the same strike time effect with half a dozen well chosen air bases scattered around the planet and existing warplanes. If you can get a Mach 2 plane within 1400 miles of every likely target, you're just as well off.

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citanon November 5, 2013 at 12:55 pm

You may not need it all that often, but the one time you need it, you really NEED it.

The single U2 flight over Cuba that captured pictures of the missile sights, was, on its own, worth the price of the whole program.

As for Lockheed's capabilities, while our aircraft have gotten exponentially more complicated. What Lockheed does is build some of the most complex machines human beings are capable of building, period. Until you appreciate the shear complexities involved, I wouldn't criticize them so much.

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Cliff November 7, 2013 at 7:45 am

We may only need the speed and capability of a hypersonic aircraft once. But, that may be enough to deter a threat or end a threat from a capable adversary. It would also work well at neutralizing nuclear threats. Sustained peace is only achievable through the perception of superior fire power.

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Hefe November 4, 2013 at 11:50 am

I'm a huge fan of weapons that can hit on the first day of war. If realized, this machine will make our enemies soil themselves.

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d. kellogg November 4, 2013 at 3:54 pm

In that, we'd be further to refine RATTLRS technology to make a Follow-On-To-Tomahawk weapon, a stand off, extreme range, hypersonic, curbstomp 1st-day-of-war strike weapon that's too fast for an adversary to engage, let alone even track it (if they could see it) and figure out where it's even going.

As mentioned earlier, it would take a massive investment by the world's defense contractors in directed energy weapons to even challenge such hypersonic strike weapons.
But years ago I recall having read that into certain hypersonic velocities, the ionized, semi-plasma-like heat corona surrounding a hypersonic vehicle could effectively ablate a good portion of the directed energy.
And if a Shuttle can be coated in heat resistant tiles, couldn't a hypersonic strike weapon as well, to further ablate any sort of weapon intending to use heat energy to deform it enough to come apart during high speed flight…?
In that, any sort of directed energy counter-hypersonic weapon would itself need to be airborne and at least supersonic: a ground location, due to terrain, just wouldn't necessarily afford an ideal engagement envelope.

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Nicky November 4, 2013 at 12:27 pm

Looks like the SR-72 is the son of SR-71

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scott November 6, 2013 at 9:44 am

that was the point

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oblatt1 November 4, 2013 at 12:36 pm

This is just another money making exercise for Lockheed – they cant get the scram-jet technology to work so its time to commercialize !

As part of the contractor motto – "obsolete from the first day of IOC" – so you can start the follow on project, the SR-72 is easily hit by existing Russian and Chinese air defense systems (designed to intercept mach 12 ballistic missiles) – let alone those two generations now.

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ddd November 4, 2013 at 7:31 pm

They can hit mach 12 ballistic missiles because they know the flight path of the missiles. An aircraft's flight profile is at far lower altitude, making it difficult to detect until it is very close.

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Paul Blase November 4, 2013 at 12:39 pm

The announcement probably means that it's been flying for at least a decade. One wonders what exactly the Skunk Works have been doing for the past 20 years or so?

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Joe November 4, 2013 at 6:54 pm

Ummm… Did you miss the part that they don't even have a demonstrator, must less an actual prototype, ready for another 5 years?

The fact that the SR-72 didn't survive as a black program shows that it is not needed. This is nothing but a public plea from Lockheed to push a failed program.

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Raven23 November 6, 2013 at 9:02 pm

The A-12/YF-12/SR-71 was not publicly acknowledged for close to a decade after it first flew. F-117s were flying for several years before its existence was acknowledged. Believe it or not, disinformation campaigns to the contrary, secret programs and aircraft exist and are sometimes even operational for years before they become public. I would take everything is this story with a grain of salt.

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Dfens November 7, 2013 at 9:37 am

Didn't you hear, they've been working on blimps. Go slow and attract as many missiles as possible has been their motto for the last decade. This would be a refreshing departure if it was a concept that would make it past Mach 2.

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Salva November 12, 2013 at 10:00 pm

Any relation to the famed aurora recon craft we,ve hear so much about in the last 20 years or so?

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Big-B November 4, 2013 at 1:42 pm

Bomber? Recce? I would put a "space shuttle II" on its back and get NASA back into the space game. And if not NASA then Virgin Galactic. Of course then the new name has to be "Eugen Saenger" :-)

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JEMcKellar November 5, 2013 at 8:15 am

Isn't that the point of all these 'aerospace planes'? It's not really an SR-72, it's a giant, manned X-37. The Air Force must have some pipe dream about fighting WW3 in space, and this project fits into it somehow.

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Lance November 4, 2013 at 1:45 pm

Im with this all the way except one point I would prefer a manned plane with speeds and altitudes your flying having a man instead of a data feed is far more reliable and safe to keep the plane up and prevent it from crashing in a enemy country.

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Nathan November 4, 2013 at 8:42 pm

At those sorts of speeds the aircraft cannot be controlled by man anyway, and surely the life support system would just add weight and cost?

I'm also confused as to how a data-feed from a manned plane is somehow safer? Either it is encrypted – or it is not. If the data is considered valuable, then they can consider encrypting it.

Remember the Hainan Island incidence in 2001 – just because an intelligence aircraft is manned doesn't mean it can't be forced down. And worse, the surviving crew can be tortured and interrogated.

There's no reason that unmanned aircraft cannot use inertial navigation systems (as commonly used by many civilian and military aircraft). So GPS spoofing – or any other kind of spoofing would be impossible.

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Lance November 5, 2013 at 12:46 pm

No the control computer would weigh just as much as a life support system and with the Iran drone debacle it shows drones are not better than manned planes and are far less reliable.

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goldo62 November 4, 2013 at 1:45 pm

Another drone "to be stolen" for Iranian?

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blight_ November 4, 2013 at 1:49 pm

With that logic, we should stick to F-4s and F-14's so we can have nothing "to be stolen". Building technology comes with the risk of having it stolen.

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Docsenko November 5, 2013 at 1:19 pm

Actually, the Tomcats were quite good. But they were costly to maintain and they were getting old. the F-4's were pretty fast, but they move like a bus.

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Rest Pal November 6, 2013 at 3:10 am

Iran never stole any US aircraft. Iran captured one that was violating its space. Good for Iran.

That said, Iran might find it difficult to capture SR-72 in the next 15 years, because the plane simply won't materialize in the next 15 years.

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Mike November 4, 2013 at 2:43 pm

There is something flying out there already. Never saw it… but it went thru the TCAS screen in seconds having the range in 80 miles, around 8,000ft westbound near LGB.
We detected twice within a four month period.
Couldn’t calculate exact speed but easily over Mac 3. No sonic boom, no cone trails…
Whatever was it, whoever build it, … Thank you for giving us the chance to be ahead of our current or future enemies!!

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Musson November 4, 2013 at 4:03 pm

I want to believe.

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jamesb November 5, 2013 at 10:35 am

Aurora is STILL out there?

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Dfens November 8, 2013 at 8:21 am

Aurora failed or it would not still be classified.

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Mike November 4, 2013 at 2:43 pm
rtsy November 4, 2013 at 3:32 pm

This tech sounds a lot like the SABER program being run by the Brits.

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d. kellogg November 4, 2013 at 4:01 pm

Could be.
But with the weird naming schemes the US utilizes in numerous Tacit- and Have- programs, the possible list of suffix names is far from expended…
The chunk of budget allocated to Black programs hasn't been getting smaller by any means with each new C/R and partial budget passed, and technology is not standing still.
The US Patent Office has seen its share of jitters when folks start waving FOIA waivers at them for certain technologies they'd prefer keeping quiet about.

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Ivan B. Cohen November 4, 2013 at 4:27 pm

Jet unveiled….check! Features unveiled….check! Price tag unveiled….incomplete!

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Big-Dean November 4, 2013 at 5:12 pm

Without Kelly Johnson at the helm this bird will never fly, it's suck up the entire defense budget and it'll still be in development in the year 2057

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Dfens November 8, 2013 at 8:24 am

Damn straight. You don't just pull a Mach 6 capable airplane design out of your ass. I'm sure they could milk the above design for 30 years and then just before it went into production they'd finally come clean and tell us it won't do any of what it was supposed to do and cancel the program without building a single one.

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Wayne Miller November 4, 2013 at 5:19 pm

Son of Blackbird. The S.O.B.!

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Gabriel November 4, 2013 at 6:24 pm

Maybe we should finish the F-35 Lightning II before we start another military project that is going to be billions over budget…

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skynet765 November 6, 2013 at 11:26 am

We borrow $4.1 billion per day now for food stamps. Where does safety stack up with obesity? Our debt increased by $320 Billion overnight the day we reopened the gov in Oct and you whine about a few hundred million. Pathetic.

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Riceball November 6, 2013 at 4:19 pm

In case you missed, there is no contract out for an SR-72 or even an RFI from Lockheed, as I read it this is purely an internal Lockheed project that if they can get working, at least on paper, they'll try to pitch to the Air Force.

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555SRS November 6, 2013 at 9:07 pm

Yes, we should develop only one aircraft at a time. Finish building all copies of one type before you even start planning another. That makes sense. Not.

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Bernard November 4, 2013 at 7:31 pm

Its just the same old Aurora concept from 20 years ago. The Cold War is over. Big and pricey is dead, small and cheap and pioletless is in.

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Joshua November 4, 2013 at 8:41 pm

theres some expensive and pointless

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kalipinckney November 4, 2013 at 9:34 pm

I'd have to say you're probably right. What's the need (other than being cool)? Maybe LM is using it as a platform to get some funding to commercial (or entry to space) applications.

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Derek November 4, 2013 at 11:30 pm

This craft would be using current tech, which vastly helps keep the costs down, and it's unmanned, so It fits 2 outta 3 of you'r points…

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Rob C. November 4, 2013 at 7:52 pm

I'm torn. Its nice that their potiential that they'll build a replacement for the SR-71. However, i feel less ….caring about unmanned aircraft. Its like a missile that can fly back. People flying aircraft add something more to the human imagination. Dream dies when they become flying remote control/self-flying R/C Fliers.

A fast recon aircraft maybe good in limited numbers for the military, specially if they need something to get somewhere in hurray. Why LM is actually advertising this thing before its time seem like a ploy to lure funding for its development in this super-challenging time for government budget. If anything a next generation one-stage to orbit maybe where this puppy may lead us technology wise. To call it SR-72, i don't know. It be QR-X or something.

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chrisgoike November 4, 2013 at 8:52 pm

How utterly ridiculous.

"Hey Gene, remember that plane we sent to the heap all them years ago because it wasn't cost effective and satellites replaced it, you know the big black one?"
"Yeah, what about it Rich?"
"Let's make a new one, instead of it being a spy plane, we can make it a hypersonic spy plane with hypersonic missiles!"
"Isn't that redundant?"
"Exactly, how'll they resist?"
"Hello, Tahiatian bungalow"

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DefenseTechGuest November 4, 2013 at 10:05 pm

I wonder how high quality a photo you can snap @ mach 6 from xx,000 feet?

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William_C1 November 5, 2013 at 1:20 am

The satellites moving at some crazy speed up in space can take a quality photo. Mach 6 shouldn't be a problem.

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WulfTheSaxon November 4, 2013 at 10:11 pm

Doesn’t seem ambitious enough to me… How’s it going to fare against a 5 km/s S-500? I’m not convinced it could even get past an S-300, which seems like an essential capability.

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tiger November 5, 2013 at 1:16 am

Not ambitious enough? In a bit over 100 years we have gone from Wilbur & Orville Wright to this. In 1913 we had not even invented the fighter or bomber. Speeds were sub 100MPH. Ask Anthony Fokker if he even could dream of a SR-72?

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WulfTheSaxon November 10, 2013 at 6:16 pm

Not saying it isn’t cool, just that I’m unsure whether it could penetrate Russian air defenses. Now, Blackswift/HTV-3X… Ambitious.

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anthony November 5, 2013 at 5:07 am

A good name for the Black bird.

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navyjag907 November 5, 2013 at 9:31 am

Sequential numbering–that's a first.

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traumahawk November 5, 2013 at 10:38 am

Just another Indy 500 sports car. Goes fast. Not very functional. Turning radius of a MAC truck. Probably come apart at very low G's. Very expensive POS (piece of sh__).

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JohnB November 5, 2013 at 11:24 am

The SR-71 was the meanest looking jet, so far yet the Air Force (SAC) said they could no longer afford the O&M monies, for it. It required specific/special fuel and Tankers and I heard that it was a maintence man's nightmare. So why build a more advanced version? I guess you could/might add it to the TRIAD, therory.

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wtpworrier November 5, 2013 at 12:10 pm

I like the design of it but, why not use it for space applications? Might want to be careful with that nick name though.

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wtpworrier November 5, 2013 at 12:28 pm

If we can to a speed of Mach-20 why not? The problem is not the speed, the problem is where we are flying it. The palnet is in a bubble(atmosphere), with lots of wind resistance, you will never get anything to fly in the Earth's bubble without breaking up, the only way we could is with shielding. Flying at that speed or faster could be achieved outside the Earth's atmosphere, in space, a lot less wind resistance.

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Thomas L. Nielsen November 6, 2013 at 2:14 am

"….why not use it for space applications?"

Design speed of the S.O.B.: Mach 6

Speed needed for low earth orbit insertion: Approx. Mach 25

That's probably why not.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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Nathan November 5, 2013 at 1:01 pm

Sigh…I'd much prefer an SR-2 to the SR-72…

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Boeing X37b November 5, 2013 at 2:13 pm

Boeing already has an operational bird like this that goes into outer space. Much more advanced. Lockheed is laughable.

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Thomas L. Nielsen November 6, 2013 at 2:22 am

Strictly speaking, the X37B (presuming that is what you refer to) does not go into outer space. The humongous booster rocket needed to launch the X37B goes into outer space, and deposits the X37B there.

Keeping that in mind, please explain the criteria by which the Boeing X37B is "much more advanced" than the proposed Lockheed S.O.B.

And yes, I am perfectly well aware that the S.O.B. is (barely) a paper project, and the X37B has actually been flown, so we can leave that out.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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OD351 November 5, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Muttling November 5, 2013 at 2:58 pm

Development of the SR-71 was started during WW2 and took insane amounts of money over a period of decades. Then it was crazy expensive to operate. As much as I love the SR-72 concept, bankruptcy is a far bigger threat to this country and we can't afford another bird that has to have a special jet fuel because its tanks leak until the skin of the aircraft heats up enough to seal the seems. These kinds of birds are stupidly expensive to build and to operate, we can't afford it.

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Christopher Bloom November 5, 2013 at 9:19 pm

Their have been Massive improvements in High temperature materials in the years since the SR-71 was put into service.

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Hunter76 November 6, 2013 at 10:17 am

Nonsense. The SR-71 can't be dated back any further than the A-12, which project started in 1957.

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R November 5, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Tim UK November 5, 2013 at 9:20 pm

Erm Lockheed ? The same group of clowns who have produced the F22 and JSF shite fighters ? If so then expect this new fiasco to need a thousand hours of hanger time to fly every hour and the bill to be 100B each and it to be fully operational by 2060.

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Presley Summers November 5, 2013 at 10:06 pm

Looks like something out of Project Mystic Rain.

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William Durham November 5, 2013 at 10:29 pm

First it was without the new high tech satellites we were helpless, now without this new multi-billion dollar super aircraft we will be helpless. Who the hell is doing this? Some Congressman/woman is getting filthy rich as is a contractor while the poor militray is getting down sized to pay for it all.

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Tom Stopski November 6, 2013 at 12:28 am

Time it takes to develope a new idea? In 1955 I was able to check out the Republic XF103 in full mock up at the factory while delivering F84-Fs to Langley AFB. It incorporated the two engine type concept to obtain speeds beyond Mach 3 and an unusual pilot "capsule;'" with downward ejection and a "periscope" for forward visibilty.A detailed description is available on the internet. Also witnessed the F-105 in full mockup with at that stage had twin engines to generate enough thrust. Ah….memories!

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bruce November 6, 2013 at 3:38 am

And nobody here is thinking laser weapons might be a problem?
Nobody is going to be able to out run light…

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Thomas L. Nielsen November 6, 2013 at 5:32 am

It's not just a question of "outrunning light". It's also very much a question of how accurately your sensors can track a Mach 6 target, and how accurately you can point your laser optics at said target once you have acquired it.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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Tim November 6, 2013 at 12:37 pm

Besides, a plane that can already withstand the heat of Mach 6 flight is going to be able to absorb a lot of laser light before anything bad happens.

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Patrick November 6, 2013 at 12:16 pm

Shouldn't it be the son of the XB-70 Valkyrie?

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Kim Carnochan November 6, 2013 at 5:44 pm

My father was an RSO for the SR71 (John Carnochan)…..would love to know what he thinks about this…but alas…..
My sister and I have had made contact with Colonel Tom Pugh…who my dad flew with…..i am sure he will have somehting to say or write on this….

Just wish you were here Dad….i know you would have a lot to say about this.
Kim

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Sudsy November 6, 2013 at 9:07 pm

Hey, this looks like the "Aurora" sightings from the 1990's… Check out Bill Sweetman's articles in Popular Mechanics and Popular Science about it. Bet you this has been flying for years…

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Joe Gayton November 6, 2013 at 9:15 pm

Lets just call it Habu on Steroids!

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Big-Dean November 6, 2013 at 11:44 pm

NEWS RELEASE

Lockhead Martin, the highly patriotic and honest defense firm who has milked the tax payer of billions of dollars on the still yet unfinished, after 12 years of effort, F-35 aircraft, proudly announces the brand new SR-72 that promises to fly faster than light, carry 12 tons of photon torpedoes and will only cost $57 Billion dollars and will be ready by the year 2078. But this time, they promise to hire a few more American, perhaps 2 or 3 more, to write the code and not outsouce it all out to China.

(this is sarcasm for those Lockhead mafia who don't get it)

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My name Hose Emanus November 7, 2013 at 12:40 am
bloke_from_ohio November 7, 2013 at 9:16 am

First you have to track it. Then you have to have a laser that keeps its beam coherent for 85,000 feet. The atmophere does nasty things to laser beams. Then the beam has to stay on the target long enough to damage it. The ABL was not a pew pew one zap and the missle dies type weapon. You had to "paint" the target long enough to heat it up enough to cause structural damage so it would break itself up.

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Dan November 7, 2013 at 10:59 am

I think electromagnetic (coil or rail) launchers may offer interesting alternatives to getting there fast, but at much less cost. We are now making maneuvering re entry vehicles that can reach targets with more flexibility than current ballistic warheads. Such launchers could even use solar or alternative power to charge the capacitors that provide the release of energy for such systems. Operational costs would be very low, more environmentally friendly (until the warhead arrives), and offer many more strike platforms for the same money to field the hypersonic system. However, we should not stop thinking about new technology such as hypersonic – we just need to understand where such new technology will help our forces live within economic realities and remain the most effective on earth.

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blight_ November 7, 2013 at 3:10 pm

Solar? Yuck.

I suspect space planes will allow fun stuff like FOBS…kick off, fly in from a different angle, cause hell.

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Wylie C. November 7, 2013 at 2:22 pm

Since we know the ChiComs will hack into and steal the plans, why not just put them on the contact list and charge them up front? Might as well spread the cost around to the ultimate end users. Let's hope the nitwits who designed Obamacare are not hired for this job, too…

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blight_ November 7, 2013 at 3:09 pm

I say they just put some flawed designs on the intertubes, let the Russians/PRC steal it, apply their brilliant aerospace engineers to the problem, then steal it back.

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Peter Gelezius November 8, 2013 at 8:17 am

Never knew what was wrong with the original

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Robert November 8, 2013 at 10:57 am

What a waste of money! Just keep the nukes operational and no one will ever bother us who can defeat us. We don't need such high tech weapons to fight Panama, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, or any other little countries. Put the money into healthcare, education, and employment opportunities for the taxpayers.

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omegatalon November 8, 2013 at 3:57 pm

This is 20 years in the making as the technology comes from Lockheed's X-33 Venturestar program which was a single-stage-to orbit spacecraft which was supposed to been a replacement for the US space-shuttle as the spacecraft would take off like a conventional jet before accelerating to supersonic speeds then hypersonic when the engine jumps into scram-jet mode with linear aerojet rocket motors providing the final push to get the spacecraft into low-earth-orbit as the SR-72 Son of Blackbird may be a proof of technology vehicle before Lockheed asks for funds to re-start the X-33 program; on the other side, this technology can lead to hypersonic cruise missiles, hypersonic fighter jets and possibly even hypersonic long range bombers besides the single-stage-to orbit spacecraft.

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Georgiamule November 9, 2013 at 1:58 pm

Dang, shore is a pile of high talkin folks reading this stuff bout a purty airplane. Any good ole boys out there read this stuff? Fur instance, what happens of you fall out? How bout gas, and does it come with a 5 gallon can so if you run out you got a little extra to get back home?

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blight_ November 10, 2013 at 3:50 pm

moonshine.

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ONTIME November 10, 2013 at 3:00 pm

WARP SPEED MR. SULU…….JTK…

Not so far fetched now it seems and as the tools get better so will will the quality of the products….let's hope capitalism and the free market stay around….

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Phono November 14, 2013 at 4:47 pm

Wow, just amazing :-) !

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corky bell November 16, 2013 at 7:57 am

The machine may ultimately prove useless, but the technology developed along the way will be priceless.

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Belisarius November 28, 2013 at 2:31 pm

Project Isinglass, X-24C, TAV, X-33, NASP, Hotol, Skylon.Why would this be funded when they weren't, especiaslly with an 18 year development period?
Hypersonic flight is like the manned mission to Mars, it was thought to be in the near future in the 1960s, comes back every few years but gets farther out of reach every time.

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Jungle Heat Tool December 5, 2013 at 8:24 am
@RioFalcon December 11, 2013 at 5:36 am

You know, people need to really shut up about classified operations… We don't always need to know what we have for military platforms… It's bad enough that China and Russia, and a few others, steal or technology, without the press spilling the beans…and helping them on the way… Nothing more pisses me off then nosey traitors…

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clash of clans hack no survey no password December 12, 2013 at 8:38 am
gt350 December 28, 2013 at 2:30 am

Is it me , but a F15 ,SR 71 , A 4 , how about a B 58 , or even our space shuttle. am I missing something many other great planes that are still worthy are now not relevant , So a F 35 –? Id like to see the vertical take off in the jungle –that ship has passed. I just read and try to ask people that serve , so I can tell my congressman what to support So we stop production on the F 22 because its to costly , now were back to the F 35 give me a brake, the only NEW plane is F 22. I would like someone to tell me were on the right path cause I just don't get it.

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Ziv November 5, 2013 at 7:12 pm

Sev, unless you carpet a country with radar and missiles, there will be holes in the coverage that an aircraft capable of flying at Mach 6 will be able to use to simply blow past any of todays air to air missiles.
SR-71's operational ceiling has been described as being between 80,000 feet and 95,000 feet. If the SR-72 is that much faster its ceiling will be similar or even higher.. Given the time it takes for even an S-400 missile to get to 90,000 feet and given the fact that an aircraft moving at Mach 6 can cover 75 miles every minute, it would be very difficult to have anti-aircraft coverage dense enough to ensure that you could shoot down an SR-72. But there is always the golden BB…

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blight_ November 6, 2013 at 8:59 pm

The workaround will be having aircraft that can kick off and launch massive surface-to-air missiles, combined with airborne radar. It'd be expensive as heck though to have the same coverage.

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Ziv November 7, 2013 at 7:43 am

Would it be easier to deploy an ABL in a C-17 sized aircraft? Or could ground based lasers reach out and touch an aircraft that was 19 miles up and 30 or 40 miles over from the GBL site? I don't think they can now or even in 10 years, but in 20 years, who knows. The down side for a ground based laser system is that they would be expensive, hard to conceal and probably static, so they might be easy to avoid. But perhaps a Patriot sized detachment of trucks and heavy movers to move a GBL system from place to place and tie into existing power lines.

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blight_ November 7, 2013 at 9:48 am

ABL just wasn't ready. As laser technology improves, it will probably be deployable in the original ABL aircraft, let alone smaller aircraft.

We should let R&D take lasers along (in parallel competition with railguns) and see who gets to first deployment. Having both may not be a bad idea (as lasers are line-of-sight weapons). Missiles were launched from a C-5 in the air, but for BM purposes. I suppose using large aircraft to kick off equally large missiles for air-to-air isn't out of the cards either: said missile will have more range by having a launch platform give it a free lunch in terms of height.

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