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Congress Reacts to Chinese Hypersonic Missile Test

by Mike Hoffman on January 14, 2014

hypersonic armyThe Chinese military executed a hypersonic missile test last week and three members of Congress are already saying the Chinese “appear to be leaping ahead of us” in regards to developing the technology.

It’s hard to tell if they are correct as few details have been released on the test and how it compares to the advances made by the U.S. military, which has executed multiple hypersonic tests in the past few years.

A hypersonic missile must travel between Mach 5 and Mach 10, or 3,840–7,680 miles per hour in order to be considered hypersonic.

U.S., China, India and Russia have all researched hypersonic missiles in order to pierce missile defense systems not built to intercept such fast moving missiles. Today’s cruise missiles travel about 500 to 600 miles per hour.

Republican House Armed Services Committee members Rep. Howard P. “Buck” McKeon, Rep. Randy Forbes and Rep. Mike Rogers issued a joint statement Tuesday saying they are concerned in light of hearing about the Chinese test about America’s ability to maintain its technological advantage with the level of budget cuts that Congress has approved.

“While round after round of defense cuts have knocked America’s technological advantage on its back, the Chinese and other competitor nations push towards military parity with the United States; in some cases, as in this one, they appear to be leaping ahead of us,” the lawmakers said in the statement. “This situation does nothing to support peaceful coexistence in the Pacific. We have dithered for three decades now, delaying badly needed replacement equipment for our troops, relying on hardware that was built during the Reagan years.”

It’s unclear how much the committee members know about the test versus what information exists in the media as all three attended a closed committee hearing Tuesday. However, for the Chinese to have leaped ahead of the U.S. on hypersonic missile technology, it means their missile test must have been as successful as the one flown by the U.S. last May.

During that test, the hypersonic missile tested by the U.S. Air Force reached a maximum speed of Mach 5.1 at 60,000 feet after the missile was released from a B-52H Stratofortress.

Called the X-51 WaveRider built by Boeing Co., the test was declared by the Air Force as the “longest air breathing hypersonic flight ever.” The test was the fourth and final mission of the nine-year $300 million project.

The WaveRider program has run out of money and the Air Force is waiting to see when a follow-on hypersonic missile program will be approved. Officials have said they hope to deploy unmanned hypersonic weapons as early as 2025.

The test executed by the Chinese appears to be different than the one completed by the U.S. Air Force in May. China has reportedly set up programs to develop both a scramjet that could be launched from a bomber and one launched from an intercontinental ballistic missile.

The test conducted last week by the Chinese was by a hypersonic missile launched from an intercontinental ballistic missile traveling over China. Under this scenario, the hypersonic weapon was launched from the ICBM before it returned to Earth. It’s unclear if the hypersonic missile hit a target or the speed the Chinese had hoped.

In 2011, the Army completed a similar test when it launched a three stage booster rocket equipped with the Advanced Hypersonic Weapon. The AHW glide vehicle reached hypersonic speeds after it was launched from Hawaii. The missile never left the Earth’s atmosphere.

Again, it’s hard to say if the Chinese hypersonic test was more advanced based on the lawmakers’ statement.

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Inside Man January 14, 2014 at 5:36 pm

First?

Hell yeah, by 2020, the Chinese will definitely be equally matched. And they got the numbers, the PLA's force (People's Republic ARMY) is larger than our entire military force combined, and its reserve force is slightly larger than whole population of the US. Air Comat is gonna be crazy another 20 years, hopefully we ditch the F-22s from the last century. China is on right path, 10 years ago, i would of said China's military has the same capability as our military during pre-Gulf War times, but now i dont know. And China is economically stronger, to go to war.

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Andy January 14, 2014 at 5:50 pm

Name 1 weapon that China have and work …..

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gord January 14, 2014 at 6:07 pm

andy, that's name one weapon that china has that works….diction diction.

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RussTheRush January 14, 2014 at 11:13 pm

Andy is Chinese. That's how he talks.

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Andy January 15, 2014 at 3:49 pm

what ever

Jeff January 16, 2014 at 12:32 am

It's called a balanced budget.

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tmb2 January 14, 2014 at 6:30 pm

People's LIBERATION Army. The "L" is right there in your own statement.

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Trevin January 15, 2014 at 9:13 am

Yes, China is economically stronger….Our debt will ensure that they have plenty of income over the next 20 years for sure.

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 9:28 am

Debt is all we are going to be left with. Debt and an empty sack. http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/c

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Chris Parmele January 15, 2014 at 11:37 pm

Your comment makes no sense. If the US decided to stop paying China there is nothing they could do about it. Population doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to war in this century. Future wars will not be fought with actual people.. Do some research. WOW

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A.g. January 17, 2014 at 10:01 am

Interresting.
First, I will consider those who don't pay debt like the kind of matters that I try to not walk in, considering things like honnor, intégrity, probity…
Second, to not pay debt is a fraud.
Third who will loan futher to someone who don't pay their debts ?
Fourth, do you really believe that they will accept this with fun, calm, and compréhension ?

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Godzilla February 1, 2014 at 5:59 pm

Nothing they could do? They could stop selling you crap. I bet Walmart stores would get empty real quick.

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Drew February 6, 2014 at 3:05 pm

So you're saying it's a win-win for us?

STAN THE MAN February 25, 2014 at 8:49 am

I THNK ITS TIME NOW RUSSIA,CHINA&NORTH KOREA JOIN FORCES TO DESTROY U.S COZ NW ALL AFRICAN STATES MST ALLOW HOMOSEXUAL OR FACES SANCTIONS THATS DIMONIC WISH THEY CN BE DESTROYED ALL OF THEM

Dryly 41 January 16, 2014 at 10:41 pm

Maybe the "supply side" tax cuts in 1981, 2001, and, 2003 resulted in twenty years of deficits in the Reagan and Bush family presidencies which increased the Gross Federal Debt from 32.5% of GDP to 9.7%(the Clinton administration reduced the Debt by 9.7%).

Not only that but the entire financial system collapsed after being deregulated on September 15, 2008 after Lehman Bros. filed for bankruptcy. This was the first financial collapse since the October 1929 stock market crash in the administration of Herbert Hoover. That's 78 years and 11 months.

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Godzilla February 1, 2014 at 6:00 pm

Not the first. You are forgetting the Savings and Loan crisis and the Wall Street derailing in the 80s. Curiously Reagan was President then so…

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Tad January 15, 2014 at 11:37 am

I think a common theme in the stories of the development of the Chinese military over the past 10 years is the surprise with which US military/politicians announce the news. I wonder if it's an act or if the Chinese genuinely keep surprising the US wonks. And I wonder how much of these reports are just good-selling news.

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ret7army January 15, 2014 at 7:21 pm

part of the problem may be a set of institutionalized blinders as we continue to focus on either domestic affairs, terrorists, or Russia.

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Salvador Teran January 16, 2014 at 3:28 am

Everything is MADE IN CHINA….Everything!

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Carson Perreault February 27, 2014 at 5:57 pm

That's not true. China manufactures only slightly more than the United States. The majority of the manufacturing that we off-shored to China consisted of cheaper products (shoes, lamps, etc.) This was primarily due to lower employee wages, thus increased profitability on these smaller ticker items. We still manufactured "bigger" products. (Cars, machines, etc.) Now that China's economy has grown, workers are demanding higher pay, meaning these jobs will eventually move elsewhere. In addition, we are already seeing many jobs return to the US.

At the end of the day, our GDP is higher than China's.

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Brenda Reynolds January 16, 2014 at 9:18 pm
Carson Perreault February 27, 2014 at 6:15 pm

Boots on the ground are irrelevant in today's warfare. They also can't afford to supply all those soldiers with adequate equipment Also, due to their investing in US bonds, China's continued posterity is dependent on US stability. Attacking us would be counterproductive. For China to continue thriving; the US needs to thrive.

They are not economically stronger either. Our GDP, a primary indicator of a country's economy, is higher than theirs. Talk about debt all day, but the vastness of our debt is actually keeping us afloat. While we are the largest debtor ($18 Trillion), we are also the largest creditor ($15 Trillion). The implications of this guarantee ultimate economic health until something changes drastically. In other words, if countries collected on their IOUs, we could do the same thing.

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Dfens January 14, 2014 at 6:10 pm

Hold on there now. The last thing we need is for people to get all hot and bothered about what China is doing and about how they are getting ahead of us in military technology, and about how they can launch stuff to the moon without needing to rent a rocket from Russia and stuff like that, because that's just the kind of thing that might make people want to change our current procurement system from one that pays defense contractors more to drag out development programs and jack the cost of weapons through the roof to one that actually makes sense. We don't want that to happen. After all, our defense contractors are making record profits right now and we don't want anything to disturb the status quo. Plus there are a whole lotta rich people who are getting richer by selling off our industrial might to China that otherwise would be poor people because they don't have any skills to contribute to a more meritocratic economic approach, so let's not start spouting crazy ideas about slapping tariffs on goods and services from China. We don't want to do anything that might stem the hemorrhage of half a trillion dollars of trade imbalance with China either. That would really be crazy, because we'd rather have American workers on welfare and food stamps than have them get real jobs. So just settle down and don't worry about China until you see the hypersonic missiles actually coming over the horizon. That's the sensible thing to do.

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Armorer1976 January 15, 2014 at 6:02 pm

So what you're saying is that it's sensible to wait to see a hypersonic missile coming over the horizon? I would have to define that as a crazy idea.

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Steve January 15, 2014 at 11:10 pm

I think he was being sarcastic

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axle January 16, 2014 at 2:38 am
Dfens January 16, 2014 at 8:57 am

Or a hypersonic missile from China…

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Guest January 16, 2014 at 7:58 pm

quote:- "Plus there are a whole lotta rich people who are getting richer by selling off our industrial might to China that otherwise would be poor people because they don't have any skills to contribute to a more meritocratic economic approach"

Which American company sold the Mach 10 technology to China? I am not aware of any US defense contractor that has succeeded in doing Mach 10. The best they have done is Mach 5 for a few minutes.

Which companies are selling China "our industrial might"?

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Socrates January 14, 2014 at 6:19 pm

‘Leapt ahead’ in hypersonic missile tech sounds paranoid (or paid for by defence companies’ lobbyists) on the basis of this evidence. However, where China (& India) have really leapt ahead is in science & engineering education. They just study harder. people here will dismiss them as copycats but they’re just learning from you. And fast. Eventually they will overtake you.

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Dfens January 14, 2014 at 6:14 pm

Sure, and everyone knows all those scientists and engineers they educate in countries like China want to do is figure out new ways to make cheaper TVs to sell here in the US. They're not interested in making weapons, because they are having way too much fun designing cheaper TVs for us to buy at WalMart.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 12:03 pm

No, the only thing that they have ever lacked is a creative mind. It's just not how they're raised in the education system over there. I go to an engineering college with a lot of Chinese students (a few of them my friends) and I can say with absolute confidence that they're much more dedicated and book smart than the vast majority of western students. Fortunately (unfortunately?) they lack any sense of imagination.

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 3:14 pm

Well there you go. Over a billion people in China, but Ben says none of them have any creativity at all. I feel safer already.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 4:58 pm

Generally speaking.

And really, has their industry shown anything to the contrary?

Socrates January 15, 2014 at 3:31 pm
Dfens January 15, 2014 at 4:03 pm

Yeah, someone tell Yao Ming they're all short too.

blight_ January 19, 2014 at 6:50 pm

Their ed system nutures /learning/. The vestiges of Confucianism kills creativity (though Sun Tzu is rather…clever, and open-minded; almost creative).

Jeff January 16, 2014 at 12:35 am

Buck McKeon is retiring soon. Maybe he's trying to line up a fat paycheck with LockMart.

politico.com/story/2014/01/buck-mckeon-retiring-102224.html

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MZUNGU January 14, 2014 at 6:26 pm

All ICBM is hypersonic, what’s the big deal? US have been testing maneuverable hypersonic vehicle since the 60′s, so I think the USAF still have like 50 years of experience ahead of them….so, What is the big deal?

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Dfens January 14, 2014 at 6:18 pm

A thinking person might wonder how an airplane is different from a BALLISTIC missile going the same speed through the air. Hmm, what can an airplane do that a BALLISTIC missile can't do?

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Howe January 14, 2014 at 6:45 pm

From what I gather with this article, its "news" because apparently it was a scramjet craft. Which if you can keep it cool enough so it doesn't destroy itself, IS the future of weapons.

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 9:34 am

It is referred to as a "hypersonic glide vehicle" in this article: http://freebeacon.com/china-conducts-first-test-o

That means no engine. It doesn't need anything more than gravity to make it hypersonic from the altitudes it reaches on top of an ICBM.

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ret7army January 15, 2014 at 7:25 pm

The deal would depend on if its coming in as an ICBM delivered vehicle – ie a IRV / MIRV or if it is capable of operating at lower altitudes … but let's see what the deal is

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justice_first January 15, 2014 at 9:13 pm

when something is that deadly, there is not difference whether you are ahead or not. You still get the same kind of destructive power.

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Andrew White January 15, 2014 at 11:21 pm

the USAF has super sonic jets, not hypersonic jets

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Alan January 17, 2014 at 2:39 am

Agreed, they don't even have certain types of digital technologies yet. It requires certain type of machines to build these certain technologies in order to have digital technology. Last time I checked there were only 5 in the world and all are in the US. I heard someone has tried to illegally export the equipment outside and were busted by the FBI, but I do think if we don't continue to invest in our people, within the next 20 to 50 years we will fall way behind other nations.

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guest January 14, 2014 at 7:13 pm

As in so much about China, they are working hard to keep us in the dark. One thing we know for certain is China is day by day becoming more aggressive in asserting territorial claims against Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, South Korea and Taiwan. Given the land, sea and air grab is of a sweeping amount of the South China sea, who can say they won't make similar claims on the Arctic? Against Indonesia and Australia?
Now add the context of a very aggressive military buildup, unprecedented in peace time to my mind. China has no aggressors on her borders. No country engaging in a massive arms buildup that could attack China yet here is China spending money on the military to attack US major assets that are weakly defended as well as to attack islands, airbases, ships and planes.

I'd say we're are being sheep to sleep thru this.

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unwanted guest January 14, 2014 at 10:40 pm

What war did China fight, that China started? Did they invade Japan? They they rape, torture and kill hundreds of thousands of another countries citizens? We should be weary of China,but not fearful. Generally, China keeps to China. Watch out for Japan and other foes of old using CHina as an excuse to militarize

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charlie January 14, 2014 at 10:56 pm

They did invade Tibet, Nepal, India and Viet Nam. Short memories are the real problem.

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Juuso January 15, 2014 at 3:14 am

When Chinese invaded Vietnam western countries send them equipment.

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Really January 15, 2014 at 9:19 am
Dfens January 15, 2014 at 9:05 am

Hell yeah, no need to worry until you see the missiles coming over the horizon. You'll have plenty of time to kiss your ass goodbye then.

Phil Mason January 16, 2014 at 8:45 am

Korea….1950-53

ike January 15, 2014 at 3:14 pm

I have never heard of Chinese invasion of Tibet, Nepal, India and Vietnam. China liberated Tibet, a feudal slave state as barbaric as, or more barbaric than, America, in 1951. China never invaded Nepal or Vietnam. China fought a border war with Vietnam because the Vietnamese were invading Cambodia, Laos, and Chinese territories in the SCS.

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guest January 15, 2014 at 12:29 pm

Unwanted Guest, you aren't a student of history are you?

You forget the war China waged in the 1960's against its own people. That war was officially called the "Great Leap Forward" and conservatively some 20 million Chinese starved to death or were beaten to death in "re-education camps". Mao and the CCP did this out of communist ideology.

Any nation capable of doing that to its own is a countrymen has to be watched carefully.
Of course they also had a more traditional border war with the Soviet Union in the late 1960's in which the US allegedly threatened the Soviet Union not to use nukes.

You also forget the great Chinese invasion of North Korea in 1950 that greatly lengthened the Korean War and caused 100,000's of additional deaths to Koreans.
History shows China will use its power to crush foreign countries, as needed and as they have the ability to do it. Right now they are building a military capable enough to challenge the major Asian powers today and the US tomorrow.

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ike January 15, 2014 at 3:15 pm

more false claims and BS. You've got way too much time on your hands.

getting paid to post propaganda here? I thought so.

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 4:07 pm

Clearly by reading guest's posts over the years he's obviously a member of the lucrative "average American citizen" lobby. No doubt he's typed his way to Tahiti several times by now.

guest January 15, 2014 at 5:18 pm

Ike you believe Great Leap Forward is propaganda? 10's of millions weren't starved to death and you call that propaganda? Man o Man how uneducated/delusional/paid shill you are. Try this to start your education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

Soviet-Chinese border war propaganda? Try this link to dispel the delusions you operate under: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB49/

kiss ass January 16, 2014 at 7:49 am

usa attacked all around the world, don't forget it

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ike January 15, 2014 at 3:08 pm

You would be right if you substitute US for China in your propaganda piece.

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justice_first January 15, 2014 at 9:18 pm

then why is America containing China ? The US pivot to Asia is a threat to China ?

Certainly, from China's point of view, the pivot is a threat, that America may not realize.

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Choi Siu Yan January 16, 2014 at 1:26 am

The territorial claim of PRC is the same since 1949. In fact the territorial claim of PRC is even smaller then that of ROC (which included Mongol). In the past PRC settled a lot of territorial dispute by negotiation with many of her neighbors, such as Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Russia with great compromise. The only exception is that PRC fought a limited war with Russia in 1968 before settle down by negotiation in recent year. From here you can find that China does not use war to gain territory from small country. Instead she fought war with a super power USSR to fight for her sovereignty.You can find it in the internet. They haven't change the claim until now. In what issue that make you feel that they will change the claim later?

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Highguard January 14, 2014 at 7:32 pm

So, why in the heck hasn't Buck's team provide a supplemental appropriation to enable the Air Force to fund the follow-on to Waverider, the High-Speed Strike Weapon (HSSW) demo? He makes inquiries and then doesn't follow-up. Why has Congress cut funding for the Boost-Glide Prompt Global Strike (BG-PGS). They keep asking the Air Force and other services to take on new projects out of hide and there ain't no hide left to take it out of. Since the tech behind Boost-Glide weapons is not that fantastical, yes this is bad news for the country and we should "exaggerate" the results as much as humanly possible and conceiveable! Maybe its time for Americans to "wake up," smell the pasture and terminate wasteful civilian programs devised to make our population into living, walking vegetables. Everybody needs to get to work!

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guest2 January 14, 2014 at 10:42 pm

Because it cost millions of taxpayers dollars just to run it through the government bureacratic nightmare to get $50 to the guys that design the product? Our government is too big, too corrupt and downright unable to do the job

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 9:44 am

I'd like to see the states call a constitutional convention and repeal the 16th amendment. Make the damn federal government live solely off of tariffs again and they're get a much better attitude about spending and their proper place in governing our nation.

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whoszat January 14, 2014 at 7:38 pm

From what I read, it is a hypersonic maneuvering RV designed to evade high altitude ABM systems.

Since the US and Russia are the only nations with high altitude ABM's, I'd say that one of us is the target.

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Juuso January 15, 2014 at 3:16 am

Chinese have limited ICBM arsenal and their minimal deterrence is in danger because of all these ABM systems.

Either they start building more ICBM's with MIRVs or try to make sure their ICBM warheads reach their targets.

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Bill Huang January 15, 2014 at 11:06 pm

Actually, it is the US and China that are the only countries with high altitude ABM system. The PLA tested one in 2010 and again in 2013.

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joe barvim January 16, 2014 at 2:39 am

because Chinese used a lot of MSG!

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Captain Obvious January 14, 2014 at 7:52 pm

You… do realize DARPA and Black Project Programs are Top Secret Research projects that we barely get any info about? You're worried about our public testing compared to the chinese when in reality our Realm of Technology, as I like to call it, is above the stars.

You never show your hand until you need to.

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Tad January 15, 2014 at 11:45 am

Gosh, I really wish I had your faith in the hidden black programs. At one time I would have. The Manhattan Project, the SR-71, etc… and so forth, were awesome. These days, I read of acquisition programs that are totally mismanaged, sloppy engineering that is allowed to go forward, and systems that do not match clearly identified strategic needs, and I figure that this likely extends into the black realm as well.

I also get the impression that programs are sometimes classified in order to create funding bubbles (i.e., little empires with lots of job security) that are not subject to much scrutiny and oversight.

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blight_ January 15, 2014 at 11:57 am

Black programs don't translate into instant wartime capabilities, just like Hitler's research programs didn't translate into immediate battlefield results. Rumsfeld was right: you fight with the army you *have*.

Similarly, all we have to go on is the publicly available PLA vs what is publicly known about the military of the United States.

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Bill Huang January 15, 2014 at 11:07 pm

The fact that Beijing has just confirmed this test pretty much makes it de-classified as well.

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Ben January 14, 2014 at 8:15 pm

It's funny how congressmen blame our seeming lack of superiority on "budget cuts." (parentheses because the sequester only put a stop to budget *increases*)

Consider that the US spends about $680 billion per year on defense while China ends up spending about $165 billion. If we're worried about a country matching us with a defense budget that's a small fraction of ours then we're doing something very, very wrong. And the answer isn't to spend more money on defense.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 11:50 am

Sure… NOW it shows that it posted.

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Praetorian January 15, 2014 at 4:02 pm
Praetorian January 16, 2014 at 3:22 pm
bob January 14, 2014 at 8:33 pm

“You never show your hand until you need to”

you are a fool if you think China, a country that produced Sun Tzu, is behind us in this.

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Lawrence Lewis January 14, 2014 at 9:36 pm

I will have to partially agree with you. When considering how large China is and its population, it would be foolish to think that there was never another Sun Tzu walking around. There could be several or hundreds evaluating the US and its decisions. However, we have learned from China equally as they have learned from us. It is important to understand how much Department of Defense keeps secret. If we are just now finding out about phone taps and classified cables because of """Whistle Blowers"""", what else do we not know about weapon programs, international espionage, and classified treaties. I'm confident that we will able to handle what ever China throws at us and if not, I'm sure Japan has been prepping for a surge in military capability through legal loop holes.

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Sacramento January 15, 2014 at 12:04 am

Really? Then why haven't the US and Japan taken on China if it's going to be so easy?

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 11:49 am

Because thankfully most of our congressmen and women are older than 6.

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Tim January 15, 2014 at 11:33 pm

He never said easy, just that we could take them on. In reality it would be a long and bloody war of attrition after we stopped them at a certain point in America or they stopped us at a certain point in China, it would make WW2 look like a stupid 5 second fist fight over a chair in middle school.

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STemplar January 14, 2014 at 9:28 pm

Not only the Chinese coming, but they're coming at hyper sonic speeds now to deliver their junk to Walmart and sell it to bargain hunter Americans….Armageddon is surely just around the corner I'm sure.

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Mambo January 14, 2014 at 9:53 pm

Some of you guys have a terrible understanding of how our acquisition and funding process goes. We have been playing this game since WW2. It's all about funding. Hyping the latest and greatest threat.

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 9:10 am

It's quite a tight rope they're walking with this one. They need to get people just stirred up enough to increase military spending, but not so worried that they implement procurement reform. Seems to me like what the defense contractors really want is status quo. They're making record profits off of that. Why stir things up and risk killing the goose that laid the golden egg?

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hibeam January 14, 2014 at 10:11 pm

Big deal. Have you seen our healthcare website? We also hand out a lot of free phones. Those guys don't stand a chance.

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 9:11 am

Free phones made in China!

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Some Guy January 15, 2014 at 4:22 pm

You must mean the Lifeline phone program that was first implemente during the Reagan administration:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.as

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hibeam January 14, 2014 at 10:14 pm

The Chinese graduate a lot of engineers but they are decades behind us in neck tattoos.

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Rebecca January 14, 2014 at 10:56 pm

Doesn't surprise me if China does win the race to a hypersonic missle. They are building aircraft carriers and all sorts of things. Thats what happens when Communist countries put their military first. So sit back and watch what happens as we downsize our military and buy Obama Care Plans.

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blight_ January 15, 2014 at 12:25 pm

They also collapse, like the Soviet Union.

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm

Maybe they'll collapse the day before they invade some other country. Maybe they'll collapse the day after. Maybe we'll collapse before they do.

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Marc Winger January 14, 2014 at 11:14 pm

It's important not to over-rate the Chinese, unless an agenda needs rationalizing. That said, it's up to the military to allocate to which programs they funnel the sizable amount of cash they do actually receive.

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stephan January 14, 2014 at 11:59 pm

since a lot of our technology has been outsourced over there with blessings from our government, republican's and democrats then we wonder how they got their hands on the tech. We have sold out our country to save a buck in labor.

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Auyong Ah Meng January 15, 2014 at 12:22 am

Key thing here is not to lose out in the critical weopon tech which can interdict & fully take out strategic targets i.e Command & Control, the actual self serving politicos/head hochos in control where we know always exactly where they are and can take them out (nevermind the collateral damage cos most likely their cronies & such + usual hangers on), take out asap similar opposing strategic enemy systems etc…

As long as the above is done…and with real genuine already there committed allies (in more ways than one)…i.e. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan…etc..(and the usual like to straddle btw the fence "allies" before jumping on to the stronger side)…the initiative and that very strategic depth will remain with the US and her allies…

Everything is fine. But please still keep some hidden cards and as always improve that bigger + super harder stick behind one's back from the 1930s till now.

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yannaes January 15, 2014 at 6:18 am

In America we are to concerned about all the rights of each individual and less about the capability of a country to defend itself from outside sources. Of course, if we, as a country are decaying within, all the missile programs we spend our tax money on will be for naught.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 1:16 pm

You seriously think China has its longterm sights set on the US mainland? Even if it did we could cut our military in half and still be easily capable of defending ourselves from any foreseeable adversary.

It's that concern for individual rights that separates us from countries like the former Soviet Union, North Korea and China. It's not something that can just be placed on the back burner.

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 3:26 pm

Every time I see a gay couple marry, I feel so damn superior to Russia.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 5:05 pm

Land of the free (if you're a white conservative). I understand now.

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Thomas L. Nielsen January 16, 2014 at 2:07 am

As well you should. "Land of the free….", and all that.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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loeb January 15, 2014 at 6:29 pm

Ben, that's worse than ignorant, but simply delusional.

The US has got the largest prison population in the world. It's the only country that makes a big business out of incarcerating people. Human right violations at US airports surpass those at Israeli airports. Since WWII, the US has invaded other countries under various false excuses non-stop.

The US has the largest video cam network in the world, and is the only industrialized country to authorize torture, indefinite detention without trial or legal counsel.

Do us a favor, stop repeating the BS you've been getting from the MSM. We like the internet for a reason.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 7:42 pm

Woah there, buddy. Pretty sure you made the wrong assumption.

I'm far from ignorant to our problems and I actually completely agree with you on all points mentioned (minus the ones about me, lol). But allowing people to devalue those freedoms even further is just perpetuating the problem.

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Scott January 17, 2014 at 10:41 am

Except, we no longer give a crap about individual rights. The uninformed majority and MSM are more interested in giving the current administration to freedom to make the government control more and more of our lives, and discourage people from striving to become self-sufficient and not need government hand outs and entitlements. Individual and Freedom are no longer co-existent.

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TonyC. January 15, 2014 at 6:21 am

Keep those defense dollars rolling Buck!!! The fate of the free world depends on it. They are really good actors in our Congress. Never seem to do what is right, but they do give lip service.

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Charles R Parker January 15, 2014 at 7:47 am

Back in 1981-1987 before its total elimination from service do to INF treaty with old USSR the Pershing II nuke medium range missile first strike enplaced in Europe was hypersonic. But with added kicker Radar target grid section.

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Praetorian January 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm

Mach 9, no wonder why the Soviets wanted to get rid of them. Smart.
They also had a M86 earth penetrator that was cancelled.

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Abel Garcia January 15, 2014 at 9:49 am

Obama wants to combat this by growing government except the military. Eventually he will have to combat "bad people and countries" the way FDR combated it.

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bigrontn January 15, 2014 at 10:04 am

The thing is that the entire world, especially China, depend heavily upon America for their fiscal wellbeing. If America were destroyed the entire world would fall into crushing poverty. We are the world.

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blight_ January 15, 2014 at 12:11 pm

Do they?

The People's Republic will lose a big customer, sure. But it's easier to find new export customers (Africa the untapped…anyone?) than it is for an importer to survive without the exporter. A druggie whose dealer is arrested and goes to jail suffers pretty painful withdrawals…or finds a new dealer.

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chaos0xomega January 15, 2014 at 10:10 am

Ugh… okay.

1. China does not own most of the US debt, it just holds the majority of the US FOREIGN HELD debt, there is approx $17 trillion in debt, $5 trillion is held by foreign countries, China holds about $1.1 trillion.

2. Economic ties and globalization have, historically, not prevented nations from going to war. The global economic system prior to both World Wars was in many ways (and especially in Europe) more interdependent and closely connected than the American and Chinese economies are today. That did NOT stop either world war from breaking out.

3. In the context of this article, all we know is that China tested a hypersonic missile system, we don't know that it worked, we don't know for how long, we don't know how fast it went, or anything else about it.

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Viq January 15, 2014 at 10:35 am

As to point #2 above, that was before the era where countries could destroy each other (and most of the world) by ICBM in about an hour. Do you really think in this day and age that the U.S. and China would be willing to go to all out war with each other? I can't even see a limited war (where the countries stay away from nukes) because the side that is losing is going to have great temptation to use them (especially the Chinese side as a humilitiatng defeat could spell the end of the Chinese government such that its leaders would feel they have nothing to lose by using nukes).

I think only proxy wars (like what we had with the Soviets during the Cold War) are feasible between the U.S. and China. However, unlike what the Soviets had, I'm not sure that the Chinese really have client states (or client rebels) where such a war could occur.

vq

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Hunter76 January 16, 2014 at 5:52 pm

N Korea?

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Christopher Bloom January 15, 2014 at 10:52 am

Maybe its time the Republicans realise they can't have a Global military empire and coddle the rich at the same time make the wealthy pay their share of the cost for the war machine that protects their life style.

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blight_ January 15, 2014 at 12:07 pm

They are ready to bow to the Chinese overlords, so long as the taxes are low and they hate social services and government regulation with equal fervor. Lassiez faire is all about following the best deal, not some silly flag or nation-state ideology.

And obviously, so long as the rich don't have to share an internment camp with the unwashed masses.

"If you put me in charge of a mining company instead of in a death camp, I will extract gold from underneath Mount Rushmore…glory to China, so long as you spare me, but not my ex-wife"

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Bob January 16, 2014 at 5:06 pm

Sounds like the LIBERALS have already gotten some of the military BRAINWASHED. Hello people, the republicans are your best hope to survive, Best payday in history came from the republicans, best veterans care came from republicans, you liberal lovers dont have a clue.

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dr. agreeable January 17, 2014 at 3:45 pm

Compelling!

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blight_ January 19, 2014 at 6:40 pm

Emperor B offers you twice as many denarius paid for with exorbitant taxes on the plebians…praetorians, name me Emperor and I will make you rich!

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superraptor January 15, 2014 at 11:44 am

We are completely outmatched and China will walk through us as if we never existed and its our fault. The USN has removed all of its tactical nuclear weapons from its ships while China and Russia have thousands of tactical nuclear warheads on their ships and one day they will use them. Global zero, that's what we seem to have become

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blight_ January 15, 2014 at 12:02 pm

I guess the hundred-billion dollar question is whether or not Navy CIWS and whatnot can destroy nuclear-armed anti-ship cruise missiles before they can detonate. Twenty kilotons was sufficient to devastate Hiroshima. Old moskits were rated for 100 kt and Granit is estimated to have a bigger warhead. I imagine this gives them standoff range for an airburst detonation.

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Bill Truitt January 16, 2014 at 1:30 pm

This is not True!!!!

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 11:44 am

Food for thought:

China spends about $165 billion per year on defense.
The US spends about $680 billion per year on defense.

If we're even remotely worried about a country being able to match or threaten us with a budget that's just a small fraction of ours, we're doing something very very wrong. And spending more on defense isn't the answer.

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Dfens January 15, 2014 at 3:32 pm

You definitely got that right. Throwing money at the problem is definitely not going to fix it. In fact, throwing more money at this problem is what made it as bad as it is.

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Jim Chen January 15, 2014 at 9:50 pm

We spend a lot of that money dragging heavy things all around the world. Some of the gas we use in Afganistan costs $20/gallon. Very soon, China will spend more on defense than we do.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 10:33 pm

Then that also begs the questions: Should we be dragging heavy things all over the world? Is it worth the cost? Is there a more cost effective way to get the job done?

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Nathan January 16, 2014 at 4:06 am

How much we spend on our defense budget doesn't mean anything. It's what you accomplish with it that makes the difference. China has cheap more focused labor. Where our labor force is increasingly more expensive and getting lazier. We also waste a lot of that money just giving it away to companies that in the end fall short or did not develope what they said they would, and never have to repay the untold billions that they walk away with. Our defense budget is that high for one reason only and that is because there are so many pockets that need to be lined.

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Ben January 16, 2014 at 10:53 am

That's pretty much exactly what I was getting at.

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Lance January 15, 2014 at 1:19 pm

This is NOT China leaping ahead. They caught up if they were successful. We already have Hyper Sonic Missiles. I think this is more pork loving members of congress who want there pet project back from cuts. Face it missiles have little to do with crap Army pork like GCV and AAS.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 1:39 pm

If you look at their house.gov pages they all claim that the sequester will "decimate" or "hollow out" our military and they present the numbers in a way that makes it seem like the budget is being drastically cut rather than capped.

It's easy to tell when somebody's in bed with the industry.

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Will January 15, 2014 at 2:59 pm

Politicians never let the facts get in the way of rhetoric. 3 decades, or 30 years, ago was during Reagan's 1st term. Or maybe it's just another case of the real Reagan being less conservative than what he is made out to be by the current generation of politicians.

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JohnB January 15, 2014 at 6:16 pm
Dan1971 January 15, 2014 at 9:02 pm

Ah, another article to get everyone afraid of the future. The birthers and "Obama is a communist muslim" will read this and just work themselves into a froth over this. As "chaos0xomega" correctly pointed out – "In the context of this article, all we know is that China tested a hypersonic missile system, we don't know that it worked, we don't know for how long, we don't know how fast it went, or anything else". But this won't stop the people that buy the crap that Fox News shovels out to first spew out some crap about Obama (don't get me wrong though – I don't like him either. Though I at least use logic and actual facts to base my opinion on him) is trying to destroy the country or its military. In the end, all this article does is create an environment of fear that would lead to the military industrial complex getting more and more of the country's limited budget.

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Ed nelson January 15, 2014 at 10:02 pm

Don't worry, Hussein Obama will protect you with his health care plan

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tony eaton January 15, 2014 at 10:33 pm

A joke said, a factory asked an US PhD to develop a tool to identify empty package boxes with no product in it. After months of hard work, he developed a sophisticated machine worth $50,000. Only found that a Chinese worker put a fan aside to blow away the empty boxes. Same story about US vs Chinese hypersonic vehicles.

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Dfens January 18, 2014 at 10:51 pm

I'd substitute for "a factory asked an American PhD…" with "the federal government contracted with a major defense corporation…" Now it's funny.

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blight_ January 19, 2014 at 6:31 pm

Anyone with a scale could weigh product as it goes by on an assembly line.

This is basically the same kind of joke as the Soviets bringing pencils into space, while forgetting that graphite is a conductor and breathing in wood pencil shavings or getting them into your air filtration system is a bad idea…

Suffice to say the Soviets probably used a grease pen instead.

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Jeff January 16, 2014 at 12:39 am

Damn, one little missile test has all the rednecks in the sticks and huffin' and puffin'. Go to the gun range and let off some steam with your Norincos. Jesus freakin' Christ, we don't scare that easy, do we?

Stop being a bunch of fuck1ng sissy skirts.

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Deepak S January 16, 2014 at 1:22 am

BrahMos II developed jointly by India and Russia would be the worlds fastest missile.

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Oli January 16, 2014 at 9:00 am
shawn1999 January 16, 2014 at 9:11 am

And just a few months ago when China floated its first carrier and their stealth aircraft, these baboons (Congress) claimed that China was still 3 decades behind us.

See, China is where the US was in the 40's. Can-do, will-do, whatever it takes. I'm not sure if we should learn Chinese for their soon-to-be military superiority, or Arabic, for the Muslim terrorists that the US is backing in Syria and Egypt…

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WangChung January 16, 2014 at 9:46 am
Gary January 16, 2014 at 1:26 pm

The chinese leaders are thinking way into the future in its economic and weapons development programs. They will need land for its population, currently 1.35 billion.

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Bill Truitt January 16, 2014 at 1:27 pm

geici—-All anyone has to do is READ KING JAMES BIBLE and the answer will be in there, if you want to know what will happen. Especially The Book of Revelation!!!!!
WillieBoy

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Thomas L. Nielsen January 17, 2014 at 1:55 am

Sorry, can't. I asked King James if I could borrow it, but he was still using it.

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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Bob January 16, 2014 at 4:31 pm

Does anyone remember why China has the technology to even launch a missile in a straight line???? Remember Bill Clinton and Al Gore? yes the ones that were given strick orders from Congress to NOT give CHINA our Missile technology, They did anyway without being disciplined for it.

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Juuso January 16, 2014 at 7:37 pm

And what technology was that? China launched multiple satellites first time on orbit 1982, years before the claim that Clinton allowed them to have that sort of tech.

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Death Merchant January 16, 2014 at 5:59 pm

Fools!
Don't you realize the China is already ahead of the US.
Damn near 16 hours, everyday!!!!

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John peoples January 17, 2014 at 12:25 am

We'll China sits back and collects money doesn't try to police the world and is steadily building it's military and navy forces it's just a matter of time before they try and take our country over and all we do is everything opposite all empires eventually fall I'm goin down swinging it's just I can't live without freedom

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Ben January 18, 2014 at 12:42 pm

Too much Fox News.

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Chuang Shyue Chou January 17, 2014 at 10:06 pm

I visited the USS Freedom at Changi naval base last year. What is often missed is that the vessel has facilities for two Seahawk helicopters.

If played right, the two helicopters will extend the range and versatility of this vessel. It would allow extended over the horizon attacks and more.

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JW Lew January 18, 2014 at 9:07 pm

Mach 10? Even the Space Shuttle can do more than twice that speed !

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blight_ January 19, 2014 at 6:32 pm

While landing…after being vaulted into space by two SRB's and a fresh tank of gas. Amazing how fast you can go with enough potential energy given to you by height.

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Reg January 19, 2014 at 11:51 am
Reg January 19, 2014 at 12:00 pm

So lets say China or a hostile state throws these missiles at any US military ship,vehicle,base, ANYWHERE around the world (hit or miss) if it is seen as an act of War aggression by the US. What do you think happens next? Put your political allegiances to the side and Answer that question realistically..

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blight_ January 19, 2014 at 6:23 pm

Probably limited retaliation. SSGN starts dumping TLAMs on Fujian and Guangzhou, perhaps guessing that the followup is an attack on the Republic of China, though a simultaneous strike against Beijing against putative High Value Targets cannot be ruled out.

Of course, TLAMs are probably going to be easily seen and defeated by modern radars coupled to half-reasonable anti-missile systems…unless TLAM has new capability under the hood that hasn't been discussed.

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ONTIME January 19, 2014 at 2:28 pm

The administration leadership in this country acts stunned and yet their own hand is the cause for allowing this to happen in this time span. Cuts to invaluable programs and messing with troops pay and morale much lees the quality of training they receive and then the integration of unwanted mixes of male female and homosexual combatants on the battle field is all taking a toll. The fact that the US technology is always up for grabs and the cyber security is being raped is a grave indicator of our preparedness for engagement to secure the country…..We need real leadership and not the C- flakes we have now…

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blight_ January 19, 2014 at 6:21 pm

Gays in the military allow China to develop more advanced weapons?

The point you have missed is that the gays in the military now have been closeted, and retrospectively their performance while closeted is probably not significantly worse than their uncloseted heterosexual peers.

I can't speak for the ranks of closeted project runway, mauve and lavender loving gays who probably aren't cut out for military life…but they are unlikely to enlist in the first place.

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Thomas L. Nielsen January 21, 2014 at 4:32 am

"Gays in the military allow China to develop more advanced weapons?"

Yes. They also cause global warming. I thought everyone knew that?

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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Mike Straub January 21, 2014 at 2:45 am

In the entire history of mankind, name when the Chinese government has EVER attacked outside its' bordering countries. The answer is NEVER! Please don't allow the no fighting Hawks in our government to stampede us into wasting more and more money on useless crap that will only line the pockets of the defense industry, and the government workers who get kick backs from same.

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blight_ January 21, 2014 at 6:19 am

During the Han they were pushing west until stopped by Muslim armies. If anything, their present-day borders are formed as a function of local expansionism.

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Mike Straub January 22, 2014 at 12:54 am

Seriously! An event that took place almost 2,000 years ago?? While you are right about them, they were considered terrorists, who, as I said, never made it beyond the boundaries of the surrounding countries. The fact of the matter, in the past 1,000 years or so, the Chinese have been the victims of aggression. Who can blame them for arming themselves to prevent the likes of the "Rape of Nanking," ever happening to them again. By the way, the Chinese people overall love Americans, and try to emulate many of our ways. Let's just hope they don't emulate the practices of our defense industry!

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blight_ January 22, 2014 at 7:39 am

For most of the past thousand they were in charge of the show.

For the last hundred, less so, but in the long run the middle kingdom is bouncing back to equal status with western superpowers: hasn't been able to say that since the 1400's; when the European nations vaulted ahead after the interregnum of the Dark Ages.

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Ralph Roy Ramirez January 26, 2014 at 9:09 pm

Chinese Launch Hypersonic Missile
The test conducted last week by the Chinese was by a hypersonic missile launched from an intercontinental ballistic missile traveling over China. Under this scenario, the hypersonic weapon was launched from the ICBM before it returned to Earth. It’s unclear if the hypersonic missile hit a target or the speed the Chinese had hoped.

Read more: http://defensetech.org/2014/01/14/congress-reacts
Defense.org

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RAMESHDOHARE February 3, 2014 at 3:30 am

hi,
hi,
Nothing is reliable if it is made in china.USA is very much ahead of china ,will remain ahead in coming years. There is technology by which Chinese rocket, missle will refuse to move beyond china boundry. It can be failed to operate from satellites.

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K.A.Sharma March 23, 2014 at 11:42 am

The U.S. has far more advanced weapon systems than any other country in the world today. But they don't discuss or show all the weapons at their disposal nor the advanced testing that goes on in the country.

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loeb January 15, 2014 at 6:33 pm

Ben, stop embarrassing yourself. See if you can find a way to locate real, accurate sources of information in the next 3 months. Then start reading. Thank me later.

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loeb January 15, 2014 at 6:37 pm

Quick tips for Ben and the likes: when it comes to news, especially about foreign countries, skip CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, WSJ, NYTimes, WashingtonPost, Washington Times.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 7:56 pm

Posting links isn't working for some reason. But seriously, I shouldn't have to spoon feed a big boy like yourself. A 5 second google search for "China lacks creativity" pulls up a plethora of articles on the subject. I won't play the guessing game to try and find the ones you deem worthy, so you're welcome to do some reading of your own.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 7:49 pm

I have no idea what you expect for "real, accurate, sources" but a quick google search pulls up a plethora of articles on the subject.

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Ben January 15, 2014 at 8:10 pm

Again, I agree for the most part. For a guy who's seemingly all about having the hard facts, you sure make a lot of ungrounded assumptions about people.

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kiss ass January 16, 2014 at 7:46 am

ha ha you better kiss your ass now, there will be no time for you when the missile come

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sickunclesam January 16, 2014 at 2:52 pm

Ben I have to agree with your analysis about the lack of Chinese creativity. I also agree that you shouldn't have to spoon feed links to offer your own thoughts about the Chinese you have worked and studied with. Loeb your the one embarrassing yourself, nobody cares about your internet protocols for how to win a debate in the comments section of a news article.

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