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Next Generation Carrier Set for Testing

by Kris Osborn on February 20, 2014

Ford carrierThe Navy is pressing forward with the Ford-class aircraft carrier’s massive 26 month test and technology integration test despite criticisms about cost-growth and poor technical reliability coming from watchdogs and analysts.

Navy developers have expressed confidence in the platform and its many new technologies despite criticism from lawmakers, analysts and government watchdog groups such as the Government Accountability Office and the Director, Operational Test and Evaluation.

Regarding the cost-growth criticisms, Navy officials emphasize that $3.3 billion of the ship’s $12.8 billion in costs are one-time, non-recurring engineering costs because the USS Ford is the first in a new class of aircraft carriers. Officials say cost-saving methods and lessons learned during the Ford’s construction are now being applied to the building of the next Ford-class carrier, the USS Kennedy.

The massive 77,000-ton USS Gerald R. Ford, christened this past November and slated for commissioning in 2016, is the first in a series of planned next-generation Ford-class aircraft carriers slated to replace the existing Nimitz-class fleet over the coming decades. Ford-class carriers are planned to serve through 2110, Rear Adm. Tom Moore, Program Executive Officer, Carriers, told Military​.com

The testing plans for the Ford are slightly prolonged and more labor intensive because the first-in-class ship includes a wide range of new systems and technologies — such as a new dual band radar, nuclear reactor, arresting gear, electronics, automation and an electro-magnetic catapult system – which need to be tested and integrated onto the ship before it enters service, Moore said.

The tests will examine and integrate all these technologies with a mind to how they work effectively with one another. Military​.com posted a complete story on the scope of the testing here.

The Ford-class carriers are being built with three times the electrical power generating capacity compared to Nimitz-class carriers, Moore said. The USS Ford will have four 26-megawatt generators bringing a total of 104 megawatts to the ship. This helps support the ship’s developing systems such as its Electro-Magnetic Aircraft Launch System, or EMALS, and provides power generation capacity for anticipated future systems such as lasers, rail-guns or other kinds of high-powered ship defenses and weapons, Moore added.

The ships are engineered for with a redesigned island, slightly larger deck space and new weapons elevators in order to achieve a 33-percent increase in sortie-generation rate. Essentially, the new platforms are built to launch more aircraft and more seamlessly support a high-op tempo with a large number of ongoing aircraft missions or sorties.

The new weapons elevators allow for a much more efficient path to move and re-arm weapons systems for aircraft. The elevators can take weapons directly from their magazines to just below the flight deck, therefore greatly improving the sortie-generation rate by making it easier and faster to re-arm planes, Moore said.

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Stan February 20, 2014 at 4:18 pm

Yes, but does it have cup holders?

And space for rail guns (on a carrier?) let alone a laser? Yes, these are the biggest ships in the US fleets and the only surface ships with nuke power. As such they make the best candidates for carrying energy weapons…. except for all the other stuff they do.

New compact reactor designs have made an appearance. I think the idea of using some of the retiring Nimitz hulls by stuffing them with a few of those high energy bad boys leaving plenty of space for energy weapons and sensors is worth considering.

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MaybeAnIdiot February 20, 2014 at 4:54 pm

Or better yet, fill them to the gills with tomahawks like they did with the four former Ohio-class SSBNs. Imagine how many launch tubes you could fit on the former flight deck. Especially if you could "reload" those tubes from internal stores.

Now imagine one of those floating off Syria. Or two or three close to China.

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Tiger February 22, 2014 at 1:38 pm

A tanker hull makes more sense.

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Jeff m February 24, 2014 at 2:11 am

There’s got to be a better way to launch and retrieve aircraft than a floating airfield, VTOL/STOVL is inefficient but what about a VTOL “booster” something like the V22, or maybe a large robotic arm that throws and catches planes as they fly by near stall speed… something like that and you can stop building huge ships and build many smaller ones, distribute the targets.

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Tiger February 24, 2014 at 9:03 pm

After a century of Naval aviation, we have reached the best of the idea pool.

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blight_ February 24, 2014 at 9:38 am

You sound like a Soviet Aviation Cruiser kind of guy…

Which is basically an LPH with a reduced flight deck only useful for helicopters, and tons of space for anti-ship missiles.

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Tiger February 24, 2014 at 9:01 pm

Actually I want a cheaper ssgn. A tanker hull with 300 VLS tubes. More payload & minus the headache of sub design.

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Clint Notestine February 20, 2014 at 7:28 pm

good idea with the arsenal ship idea for the old nimitz. some missile tubes, rail guns and maybe a laser. without the extra planes n fuel might be a little quicker too, to dodge those Chinese anti carrier missiles.

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Marcel February 24, 2014 at 1:26 pm

With the excess power they produce, these Ford class carriers can charge battery packs for their escorts so they can use lasers and rail guns.

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mpower6428 February 20, 2014 at 5:20 pm

Yes, yes but… how many times will it fall down the jet way ? And how does it defend itself against space lazers build by OCP ? and where's the USS Nixon…? he was before Ford. Is it a good idea to name a warship after a president to didn't do ****. and was never voted for and never served a full term as president…? you be the judge.

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ADA#265 February 20, 2014 at 8:03 pm

Unfortunately, the class names are chosen by a committee of appropriations weenies. Look at the asinine helo names the army got stuck with. Iroquois? It's a friggin Huey. What's next? The H-69 Hopi?

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R Jones February 20, 2014 at 8:58 pm

Frickin Politically correct though.
We should name the Indian owned casinos after military heroes ie the Audie Murphy casino, or the George Patton Casino. Are Casinos the only Indian owned, but non Indian ran, the ONLY successful ventures for the American Indians in the past 100 years? Thank God for Columbus! Also remember that various tribes killed off the other, so don't give Columbus a bad name

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Tiger February 22, 2014 at 12:07 pm

Your beyond not being PC.

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Nadnerbus February 21, 2014 at 12:51 am

All the army helos are named after Indian tribes. The Huey name was just derived from a mashup of UH-1, somhow getting HU-1 or Huey.

Nobody complains about the Blackhawk or Apache helos. I guess Iroquois just doesn't sound warlike enough for you.

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Riceball February 21, 2014 at 11:31 am

HU-1 was the original designation for the Huey, it was later changed to UH-1 but the Huey nickname had stuck.

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Tiger February 22, 2014 at 12:04 pm

The Iroquois are a proud notable tribe.

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Dick Pilz February 20, 2014 at 9:17 pm

Ford saw service aboard the WW2 carrier USS Monterrey.

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Hunter76 February 21, 2014 at 5:44 pm

As the Athletic Officer.

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treeshakertucer February 21, 2014 at 6:14 pm

I'm pretty certain that he was just as much target as everyone else

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mpower6428 February 21, 2014 at 7:03 pm

Considering the horror stories told by US Navy WW2 enlisted about their officers my guess is probably not. In that no, he probably was not in an airplane or a gun-tub or doing anything really hard during his time of service. feel free to change my mind.

Tiger February 22, 2014 at 6:08 pm

Considering he was a football star, not a bad choice. He did far more however… http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,12133

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Dave February 25, 2014 at 12:35 am

I personally prefer thinking of it as being named after Ford Motor Company instead, Ford was highly involved in military hardware production during WWII, they also did not run to the feds for a bailout like GM did! They were not known for falling down aircraft steps & banging their heads every time they turned around like Doofus Gerald!

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rtsy February 20, 2014 at 8:03 pm

The hopes and dreams of the American Navy in the 21st century, all in one ship.

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Tad February 23, 2014 at 10:49 am

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You forgot the LCS.

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districtjack February 20, 2014 at 8:44 pm

An aircraft carrier group is the most powerful military machine in the world. Even if the carrier was operating on its own, it is still an awesome sight. These things are basically a mobile military base, complete with airport, hotel, sports complex and mall. The amount of firepower on board should make a normal enemy tremble. The new carriers will be state of the art. I'm still in awe every time I see one.

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Derek February 20, 2014 at 10:15 pm

I agree, I think they have a lot in common with dinosaurs, big and powerful, but eventually went extinct.
It only takes 1 or 2 of those quick Chinese torpedo's and all you have to show is sinking steel and a few thousand sinking bodies…

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Davis February 21, 2014 at 1:03 am

Well genius, I guess that's the reason they have friendly subs, P-3's, P-8's, cruisers, and frigates all surrounding and protecting the carrier in a strike group. Submarines trying to sink carriers with torpedoes is not a new tactic in naval warfare. The navy has developed and continues to develop ways of protecting their multi-billion dollar prized possessions from sinking from 1 or 2 quick Chinese torpedoes.

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Nicolas Harter February 21, 2014 at 4:39 am

Maybe you need to update a bit your view on this one…

Google on the Kitty Hawk vs Chinese submarine incident… And that without talking of the drones + anti-carrier missile combo, the stealth planes and other stuff China has developed / is currently developing.

Chinese submarines are already able to shoot at a carrier and i guess that many people will be able to locate / shoot a carrier long before 2110. Basically the trend is that offensive power grows more than defensive tech on the long term.

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Mambo February 21, 2014 at 12:52 pm

Some of you guys seriously, seriously, overrate the Chinese blue water submarine force. They are not an effective fighting force at this point in time. Their nuke boats are loud and clumsy. Sure they are making progress, but it doesn't happen overnight.

Tiger February 22, 2014 at 12:15 pm

Well genius, they can still get it done. The Navy has spent more time fighting Greenpeace than working on ASW.

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Deuterium2H February 21, 2014 at 1:29 am

It only takes one of the CSG's escort of SSN's to send any Chinese sub straight to the bottom. Not to mention the CSG's destroyer squadron with formidable ASW capabilities.

The aircraft carrier has always been the highest value naval target, and it's still the case today, due to it's lethality, and destabilizing threat to enemy naval (and ground) forces. The justification for the existence of the modern CVN super-carrier remains a delicate balance of risk/reward. Hopefully, the CSG's ASM and AA/AM/ABM technology is up to the task of defending against all threats.

Of course, I do understand your point. There is that old adage that applies in this scenario: The enemy only has to get lucky once, we have to be lucky all the time.

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Tiger February 24, 2014 at 9:06 pm

The biggest threat to CVN's is the budget axe, not torpedoes……..

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Charles James Haas February 21, 2014 at 9:05 pm

It is rather unlikely that two torpedos would sink a CVN, although anything is possible. But, like the JNS Taiho, it would involve inept particularly damage control.

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Tiger February 22, 2014 at 12:19 pm

More than enough to send a CVN home to a shipyard for months A mission kill is good enough…………

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Tad February 23, 2014 at 10:51 am

How powerful are they in these days of shrinking carrier air wings and attack planes with shorter range than the A6? Maybe the hotel, sports complex and mall are taking up the room that fighting planes once occupied.

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Robert Jones February 20, 2014 at 8:50 pm

Let's inform the contractors of these aircraft carriers that the US gov't won't pay them the full amount, but they will have to accept a 20% reduction, just as we do to hospitals and the rest of the medical profession.
The main reason why this won't happen Is that when each member of Congress and the military retires they are looking for a very highly paid position as a "consultant"

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Stan February 20, 2014 at 11:40 pm

Also, because Medicare paid whatever the pharma/medical device/hospitals/physicians asked of it for decades leading to an insane cost inflation which has left us so broke there is little (nothing) left. Those poor military contractor dears are paid out of the taxpayer pocket and if we are showing them the money, the military-industrial smack better be good.

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mikeP February 20, 2014 at 9:28 pm

I heard they are nameing a new tug boat design after BO.

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Thomas L. Nielsen February 21, 2014 at 4:31 am

You mean because a tugboat is powerful, rugged, nimble, and provides an essential service?

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg

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mikeo February 25, 2014 at 1:38 am

well siad, i guess a tug boat was a bad example.

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GM1 February 20, 2014 at 10:45 pm

If this ship is not going to enter the fleet until 2018 or 19 with the George Washington going in for its major overhaul. I feel sorry for the men and women on the carriers at this time. Because the same operations that you were doing with 11 carriers now you only going to have nine. So remove the anchors off the remaining carriers, because you're going to be haze gray and on the way. Kiss your love ones goodbye, because you will not be seeing them very much in the next few years. I served on the Kennedy and Pcu Carl Vinson in the 80s and I can tell you those were some long deployments.

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Tiger February 22, 2014 at 12:23 pm

The refuel is still up in the air for GW. Air Wing cuts may still go on.

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Nadnerbus February 21, 2014 at 12:53 am

The weight of the paint alone could probably crush my entire neighborhood.

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TonyC. February 21, 2014 at 6:35 am

This carrier is lighter than the Nimitz class, alot lighter. Nimitz carriers weigh 96,000 tons, so what about the armor on the hull on the Ford class? The Russian and Chinese navy's both have heavy torpedos. The Nimitz class carrier's are the most armored ships on earth, more than the Iowa class battleships. This requires multiple hits from an enemy to disable it.

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sferrin February 21, 2014 at 6:39 am

What are you smoking? The Ford class is, if anything, heavier than the Nimitz class.

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Ezra February 21, 2014 at 6:57 am

More armored than WHAT? I served on the Nimitz from 1990 to 1994, Tony, and can assure you that there is most certainly NOT eighteen inches of steel at the waterline se operating you and a torpedo.

Sorry, man. It just ain't so.

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blight_ February 21, 2014 at 8:44 am

What are you comparing? Empty to empty? Fully-loaded to fully-loaded? Empty to fully-floaded?

Both are in the 100kton range, and both are probably estimates unless you do a direct measure at any given moment.

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Benjamin February 21, 2014 at 10:44 am

They quoted 77,000 tons in the article. I am guessing that is the empty weight. I thought the Ford class was a slight bit heavier then the Nimitz

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blight_ February 21, 2014 at 11:32 am

I wish I knew where that number came from. The old CV's were in the high fifty to high sixty kton depending on loading.

Not sure how important the tonnage is, except as a proxy for things like storage and structural durability.

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Ezra February 21, 2014 at 2:53 pm

Nimitz class, or at least CVN 68. Displaced 96k. The GRF will displace in the neighborhood to 115-120k

Charles James Haas February 21, 2014 at 9:10 pm

Jane's put the carrier fully loaded at 112,000.3 t (short tons) est.

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sferrin February 21, 2014 at 6:38 am

"The Navy is pressing forward with the Ford-class aircraft carrier’s massive 26 month test and technology integration test despite criticisms about cost-growth and poor technical reliability coming from watchdogs and analysts."

What would the author recommend? That they stop work and let it rust while they wait for approval from the critics? Jesus Christ on a pushbike.

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blight_ February 21, 2014 at 8:47 am

Surprised they didn't try putting some of the Ford stuff onto the Lincoln when it was going in for its refueling/SLEP. Or the TR.

TR finished its RCOH in 2013, and would've been a great place to test EMALS and other stuff at sea before the Ford completed. Then again if things didn't work out, we'd be out two carriers (Ford and modified carrier).

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Charles James Haas February 21, 2014 at 9:12 pm

There is no more time to test the EMALS/AAR on another carrier. It is thought that the EMALS and AAR might be retrofitted to other carriers if they can find the electrical generation for them.

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Curt February 23, 2014 at 8:59 pm

Retrofitting EMALS, Dual Band Radar, elevators, and new reactors would cost a fortune (beyond what a RCOH cost to begin with by like two or three times). About the only system that might make sense to retrofit is the new arresting gear, but even then it makes more sense to prove it on the FORD first.

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hibeam February 21, 2014 at 8:57 am

These boats are great for slapping backwater states like Libya around. Which makes them pretty damn useful. However, Attacking China they are not so useful. As soon as the boat is close enough to use it's attack aircraft it's gonna start attracting swarms of not nice stuff. You would need a very good CIW system, probably laser based to survive in there. Not to mention the subs problem. Ballistic warheads with terminal guidance. Yowza. Tough Neighborhood.

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blight_ February 21, 2014 at 11:34 am

The opening steps to the war will probably be to eliminate each other's satellites. It is probable that satellites given to a neutral country will also get popped. The PRC and the US might also go after Galileo and GLONASS to assure that nations outside the war do not simply allow combatants to use their constellation. This will follow with attacks against civilian communications and weather satellites, plus those used for imaging for commercial and military applications.

Won't be any sats left in orbit, just debris blocking orbits or rainng into the atmosphere. In which case, I'm curious to see how anyone is going to do any warfighting without eyes in the sky. The PRC is probably depending on them for Assassin's Mace and we rely on GPS to enhance the accuracy and precision of our weapons.

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Charles James Haas February 21, 2014 at 9:17 pm

Don't presume they will be useless against China. First, you don't know if China won't some day try to operate to Guam or beyond, at which point, the entire Navy will be used. Secondly, we only made one very daring carrier/bomber attack against Japan early in WWII. Yet, it seems carriers we pretty useful in taking the war to the shores of Japan eventually.

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Ben February 21, 2014 at 9:29 am

"Ford-class carriers are planned to serve through 2110…"

A planned lifespan of nearly 100 years… It's hard to imagine a world 100 years from now, especially given how far we've come in the past 100. I wonder how that'll pan out.

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Taffy 3 February 21, 2014 at 11:24 am

I'm sure there will be a modern-day HMS Dreadnought that will render carriers obsolete within that time span. Then we'll have to listen to the old-school "carrier admirals" decry the next great thing until we have another Pearl Harbor or Taranto.

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Jim February 21, 2014 at 11:26 am

I noticed that too. I hope to god that was a typo. In 100 years I would hope we will have Obama class carriers that are invisible.

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mule February 21, 2014 at 12:25 pm

I don't think that means all Ford class carriers will be going through 2110. My takeaway is that the last one will be in service until 2110. Nimitz class ships are designed for 50 year life spans. If that is the case for the Fords, that means the last one enters service in 2060.

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Ben February 21, 2014 at 1:12 pm

Yeah, I figured that was the case. But even still, making the same carriers (albeit upgraded) 45 years from now?

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Curt February 23, 2014 at 9:03 pm

Its a plan, Congress requires a 30yr plan, it is not worth the paper it is written on much beyond the FYDP. A 50yr plan has even less validity.

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blight_ February 21, 2014 at 4:28 pm

Considering how ships of the line could last for decades before hulking, they probably thought the pre-dreads would last as long.

Our CVN's are unlikely to last a century in service. Fifty years is a good standard to build to, and we'll probably replace them at 40.

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Tiger February 22, 2014 at 5:43 pm

Hmmm, 1914 vs 2014……..
Coaling stations & early oil burners vs Nuclear power at sea

# January 5 – Ford Motor Company announces an eight-hour workday and a daily wage of $5.

* February 2 – Charlie Chaplin makes his film début in the comedy short Making a Living.

The USS Texas is commissioned on March 12, 1914

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RRGED February 21, 2014 at 9:33 am

Carriers have a fortress of armada that protects her not to mention subs, it's a very scary sight to any foe that wants to engage. Excited to see the next Gen. Carriers. BRING IT ON!!!

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blight_ February 21, 2014 at 11:33 am

So long as the upgrades to the fleet are not delayed at the expense of having the shiniest carriers on earth…

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Ben February 21, 2014 at 1:20 pm

Or the most… Every carrier requires a huge battle group. The more carriers we have, the more consolidated our fleet if forced to become. There's advantages and disadvantages to that.

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BT31091 February 21, 2014 at 11:29 am

Iran certainly knows about our Navy ….. right?

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Lance February 21, 2014 at 1:14 pm

Well good they will test it first since there new Magnet catapult doesn't seem to work on ships they can return to steam catapults when they go to service in a few years.

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blight_ February 21, 2014 at 4:21 pm

It'll be a PITA to refit. I wonder why they didn't put EMALS into TR when it went in for RCOH…

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Charles James Haas February 21, 2014 at 9:24 pm

Actually EMALS is working rather well, and when deployed, they will give the Navy bragging rights again over other carriers.

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Guest February 22, 2014 at 3:04 am

Dream on. Just because you can't stand new technology replacing the old (a common theme in your bizarre rants) doesn't mean it won't. EMALS is probably one of the best ideas for carrier upgrades in recent years, and I guarantee you that a steam catapult will never be installed on a a Ford

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blight_ February 22, 2014 at 11:13 am

Anyone know if the QE will have EMALS or not? The rumors were flying that if EMALS was delayed that QE would be STOVL, but I imagine they will stick to EMALS…

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Tiger February 22, 2014 at 1:52 pm

No cats on the RN's new ships. Thus the FAA purchase of the F35 "B" model.

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blight_ February 22, 2014 at 3:59 pm

Oh well. Easier and less stuff to mess with with STOVL but not sure how they intend to supplement the -35B. I guess it's just helicopters carrying COD and ASW missions…?

octopusmagnificens February 21, 2014 at 1:43 pm

Waste of resources on outdated systems.

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Rob C. February 24, 2014 at 9:25 am

Finally were going see the Ford strut its stuff in open water, i just hope their able work the bugs out of the electro-magnetic catapult system and other system they reported problems with earlier. I'm sure they'll make work, properly with right kind wrench to the system. ;)

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J. Martin February 24, 2014 at 3:31 pm

And one well placed missile makes the whole thing a coral reef. Let's spent the money on better things, like salaries and benefits.

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David Burrows March 4, 2014 at 8:51 am

god bless us all

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Nicolas Harter February 21, 2014 at 8:46 pm

Well, in 2006 an older (Song class) chinese electric sub could sneak its way at range of an american carrier.
I don't know much about their range and capacity but It seems reasonable to consider that the newer ones are to be taken seriously and that the nuclear one are or will soon be dangerous (or there is some reason why they could make a silent electric sub but not a nuclear one? I don't know much about that).
Anyway, thinking that the protections of your carriers are impressive enough to deter any action against them for the next 100 years seems a bit optimistic to say the least.
Now it's like the big bombers, there is probably always a way to use the platform to an advantage, whatever the evolution of technology

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Charles James Haas February 21, 2014 at 9:00 pm

You say that like it was President Ford's choice as to where and what he was assigned to do. That's really not how the militarty works. I wan't really given a choice in any of my assignements except where I wanted to go after a tour in Korea. At least he served during war. If you are going to name carriers after presidents, at least you can name them after people that served. President Ford at least fits that criteria. Can't really say the same for Gaby Giffords, whose name presides over an LCS.. Actually, her husband, an astronaut deserves to be named for a ship more than she did.

Naming ships after liberals that detested the Navy, like Ceasar Chavez, is equally disgraceful.

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Gregory Savage February 22, 2014 at 12:05 am

I think it was tactics. If you lay in the path of the battle group you just sit and wait. A submerged diesel can not keep up with a cbg.

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