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Europe Hurriedly Seeking UAV for Eyes Over Ukraine

by Bryant Jordan on July 23, 2014

malaysia-417-600x400Europe is in a hurry to pick up an unarmed drone for use over Ukraine, where a separatist group this month shot down a commercial airliner, killing everyone on board.

The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe has posted on its website a solicitation for a “turnkey” solution to monitoring the area. The UAV would be deployed under the authority of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine at the request of the Ukrainian government.

“The (OSCE) monitors are to contribute to reducing tensions and fostering peace, stability and security,” according to the group’s website.

The procurement posting states that bids have to be into the OSCE no later than 5 pm Central European Time or 5 pm EST. Procurement documents are linked from the online ad.

A Ukrainian group with close ties to Russia allegedly took down Malaysian Airlines 417 last week. Russia has denied any connection to the incident though the U.S. has been building a case to show the government of Vladimir Putin supplied the Ukrainian group with the weaponry capable of taking down the Boeing 777 airliner.

So far, however, intelligence officials say they have not found a direct link between the rebels action and Russia.

The plane went down near Donetsk in eastern Ukraine, about 25 miles from the Russian border.

The plane was en route from Amsterdam, The Netherlands, to Kuala Lampur in Malaysia. Nearly 300 people were aboard.

Investigators led by the Dutch, are on the ground in Ukraine trying to collect evidence and recover the remains of the plane’s passengers and crew.

Meanwhile, the separatists on Wednesday claimed they shot down two Ukrainian military planes.

Bryant Jordan can be reached at bryant.jordan@monster.com.

 

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hibeam July 23, 2014 at 10:21 am

A need for persistent surveillance? No way anyone could have seen that coming.

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blight_asdf July 23, 2014 at 11:39 am

Wonder if this will be the next "Franz Ferdinand incident".

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tiger July 26, 2014 at 6:15 pm

Ironic timing, but no…..

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Juramentado July 23, 2014 at 11:50 am

Hey, yet another target for a "stolen" Buk platoon – or the MANPADS teams can finally get on the scoreboard if the UAV is operating at low alt. Man, the Donetsk Republic is gonna be "e133t" rated for air-defense after this war.

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lance July 23, 2014 at 1:09 pm

So the brits can send million dollar clay pigeons for the Russians to shoot down. even with Steal tech the Russians made radars that can kill such drones. this is a waste we know it. Its more political posturing from the Euro wimps who make of a once powerful NATO.

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Beno July 24, 2014 at 4:38 am

Utter tosh, we all know the ability to shoot down a British drone doesnt equate to haveing the stupidity or the balls to prett that button.

Britain alone has a military budget in the region of Russias and technology that far outstrips it. Certainly NATO is not what it used to be when it equaled the USSR at the height of the cold war, But the Warsaw Pact is no more comrad nor is the USSR. And Russia would be insain to fire on NATO assets. I suspect Putin is very well aware of that.

Nobody here is looking for a Franz Ferdinand incident.

Beno

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nancy July 24, 2014 at 8:53 am

Are you trying to make Americans look stupider than they already are?

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tiger July 26, 2014 at 6:17 pm

No, Lance is just Lance…..

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Johnbob July 24, 2014 at 8:48 am

There was a program called Pave Tiger. Unmanned Wild Weasel.

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iknow July 23, 2014 at 1:57 pm

Another US manufactured terrorist drone warfare coming. Who's gonna profit this time? (rhetorical question).

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LPF July 24, 2014 at 8:23 am

god you still here?

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Stan July 28, 2014 at 7:10 am

That's a good question, iknow. People need to ask who benefits from this?

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WWX July 23, 2014 at 2:22 pm

So do you already know that the separatists shot it down before the investigation concludes? Corrupt media and crook politicians said it, so it must be true… This s hit stinks of false flag operation

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flires July 23, 2014 at 4:33 pm

"False Flag Operation" is the pitch the Russian media is doing these days. I think your new America is Bad Specialist job is not working out. You have to be more spontaneous and unrehearsed, maybe you can get a lateral transfer to the Putin Is Great department.

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german July 26, 2014 at 9:51 am

You've been completely brainwashed by the US media, the biggest source of false and distorted information in the world.

Learn to question the credibility of your news source. Learn to use your brain.

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tiger July 26, 2014 at 6:21 pm

You watch too manny movies. It was over a rebel area. They shot down 2 planes just days before. They are known to have stolen/ supplied SAM systems.

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Deutsch July 27, 2014 at 2:40 am

naivete of the kindergarten variety.

pitiful

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iknow July 23, 2014 at 2:40 pm

Guilt By Insinuation: How American Propaganda Works

By Paul Craig Roberts

article available on infowars website

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. His latest book, The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the Westis now available.

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iknow July 23, 2014 at 3:07 pm

excerpt:

Why hasn’t Washington joined Russian President Putin in calling for an objective, non-politicized international investigation by experts of the case of the Malaysian jetliner?

The Russian government continues to release facts, including satellite photos showing the presence of Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missiles in locations from which the airliner could have been brought down by the missile system and documentation that a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet rapidly approached the Malaysian airliner prior to its downing. The head of the Operations Directorate of Russian military headquarters said at a Moscow press conference today (July 21) that the presence of the Ukrainian military jet is confirmed by the Rostov monitoring center.

The Russian Defense Ministry pointed out that at the moment of destruction of MH-17 an American satellite was flying over the area. The Russian government urges Washington to make available the photos and data captured by the satellite.

President Putin has repeatedly stressed that the investigation of MH-17 requires “a fully representative group of experts to be working at the site under the guidance of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).” Putin’s call for an independent expert examination by ICAO does not sound like a person with anything to hide.

Turning to Washington Putin stated: “In the meantime, no one [not even the “exceptional nation”] has the right to use this tragedy to achieve their narrowly selfish political goals.”

Putin reminded Washington: “We repeatedly called upon all conflicting sides to stop the bloodshed immediately and to sit down at the negotiating table. I can say with confidence that if military operations were not resumed [by Kiev] on June 28 in eastern Ukraine, this tragedy wouldn’t have happened.”

What is the American response?

Lies and insinuations.

Yesterday (July 20) the US Secretary of State, John Kerry confirmed that pro-Russian separatists were involved in the downing of the Malaysian airliner and said that it was “pretty clear” that Russia was involved. Here are Kerry’s words: “It’s pretty clear that this is a system that was transferred from Russia into the hands of separatists. We know with confidence, with confidence, that the Ukrainians did not have such a system anywhere near the vicinity at that point and time, so it obviously points a very clear finger at the separatists.”

Kerry’s statement is just another of the endless lies told by US secretaries of state in the 21st century. Who can forget Colin Powell’s package of lies delivered to the UN about Saddam Hussein’s “weapons of mass destruction” or Kerry’s lie repeated endlessly that Assad “used chemical weapons against his own people” or the endless lies about “Iranian nukes”?

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flires July 23, 2014 at 4:35 pm

Who cares what Putin or Russian Defense Ministry are saying. We know they are actively supporting this conflict and that they've admitted to taking over another country's territory after they were lying that they were not involved.

Putin is a liar and him and Russian need to be punished.

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A.g. July 23, 2014 at 5:26 pm

Not sure that the liar is Putin on this story. What's the goal to shot down a liner ?

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Christopher Bloom July 23, 2014 at 5:50 pm

Accident and trying to save face!

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nancy July 24, 2014 at 9:35 am

Depends on how you define "accident"

It's as much of an accident as US shooting down Iranian airliner, 100% on purpose, by accident.

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blight_asdf July 24, 2014 at 10:10 am

"What's the goal to shot down a liner ?"

The million dollar question. The only option that appears to be viable is "false flag"…but whose false flag operation?

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german July 26, 2014 at 10:20 am

These days you can close your eyes and point the finger at the US for all false flag operations and you will right almost 100% of the time.

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ghostwhowalksnz July 23, 2014 at 6:55 pm

We thought the same thing about lies over WMD that werent found and the invasion that took over Iraq

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tiger July 26, 2014 at 6:26 pm

False. Saddam Bluffed. He had some WMD's. He wanted the US & Iran to think he had active program. Stocks were found.

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Deutsch July 27, 2014 at 2:37 am

That's a lie.

A group in the US had planned the invasion many years ahead (easily as early as 1993 if not earlier). The 9/11 false flag operation had been planned at least a year earlier, as otherwise they wouldn't have had the time to plant all the shaped charges inside the twin towers and Building 7.

PNAC members had written extensively about the need for a new "Pearl Harbor" event to catalyze a widespread public acceptance (home and abroad) of military incursions against International Law, as well as introduction of clearly unconstitutional police state legislation to gain complete surveillance and control of the population well beyond what the USSR, E. Germany, or China had managed to do.

The Establishment knew well over two decades ago that Americans would likely be organizing widespread and large-scale anti-government movements as the economy continued its downward spiral to third world status.

To protect the Establishment's stranglehold on the control of the federal government and the population, the powers that be were too smart to be not putting in place all the necessary infrastructure to identify popular revolution organizers and to intercept encrypted communications regarding planned revolutions or major anti-government events.

Only the thoroughly brainwashed, or the completely misinformed, or the hopelessly stupid individuals would actually believe that 9/11 was carried out by a group of Muslims with box cutters, or that the "war on terror" was about stopping Islamic terrorists. People of this sort are nothing more than overgrown kindergarteners, though I must admit there are millions and millions of such adult kindergarteners in the US.

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ghostwhowalksnz August 4, 2014 at 8:00 pm

Not so my friend. GWB set up the Robb Silberman Commisiion and its findings were :
" United States Intelligence Community was wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction"

The Iraq Survey Group ( ISG) was set up after the invasion to hunt for WMD, of course nothing was found. The Duelfer repoert
"Saddam ended his nuclear program in 1991. ISG found no evidence of concerted efforts to restart the program, and Iraq’s ability to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program progressively decayed after 1991.
Iraq destroyed its chemical weapons stockpile in 1991, and only a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions were discovered by the ISG."

A bit of leftover stuff doesnt come close to what was claimed to be cold hard evidence

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davec0121 July 24, 2014 at 10:31 am

Ok nancy, now that you've got the "criminal puppets" into the conversation – what's the next entry you have to make from your FSB propaganda manual?

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tiger July 26, 2014 at 6:22 pm

Uh, So are we…… No clean hands here.

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blight_asdf July 23, 2014 at 8:26 pm

Not enough evidence to conclusively pick one story over the story.

Story A is that Ukrainian separatists used a SAM to take out an aircraft. Images purport to see a unit on the move in the eastern part of the Ukraine, but unless the Ukranian soldiers who manned the system defected, the technicians to operate them had to come from somewhere (e.g. Russia).

Story B is that the Ukranians themselves shot the aircraft down with either a SAM or an air to air missile with the intent to execute a false-flag operation. The caveat of false-flag operations is that they require utmost secrecy and when that is lost they blow apart like Iran-Contra or Watergate.

Some concrete information for Story A and Story B would be appreciated. I suspect it'll all be anonymous tips but nothing substantive either way. In the game of thrones, only the AIDS researchers and civilians get blown away by missiles.

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Beno July 24, 2014 at 4:23 am

WOW Russia has discovered the internet is out in force today !

Good morning Russia :)

I say Russia because i thik you are proberbly the ONLY country in the world silly enought to believe that this was not a tragic mistake caused by a badly trained Rebel getting hold of some kit he knew very little about.

I have to suspect your arnt authentic Russians, ( In that your proberbly being paid to type the above ) but I do occasionally pop over to RTV for a "balanced opinion" and that kind of indoctrination on a 24 hour basis could well produce you lot, im not sure.

I get its not a clear cut story, NATO on occasion throws its weight around a little. But really ? on the Ukrain thing your way way off !

Beno

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el gato July 24, 2014 at 8:37 am

Really, an Su 25 shot down an airliner? It’s a ground attack jet you morons.

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nancy July 24, 2014 at 9:03 am

You didn't know that ground attack jets can carry and fire AA missiles? Who's the moron el gato!

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Guest July 24, 2014 at 9:15 pm

The Su-25 can carry two heat-seeking air-to-air missiles for self-defense.

A heat-seeking missile would strike an airliner at the engine, because that's where the heat is.

The debris indicates that the airliner was struck at the fuselage.

QED.

A more plausible explanation is that the rebels were attempting to hit the Su-25 and hit the airliner by mistake.

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ghostwhowalksnz August 4, 2014 at 8:04 pm

Its a prosecutors approach, give a few facts plus a far fetched possibility and hey presto the jury gives a guilty verdict.

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Quan VN July 24, 2014 at 10:27 am

I believe that the U.S. and UKR not do this and I think it's secessionist forces and if the opposite, I was sad

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BobSacamano July 24, 2014 at 10:35 am

Sure, UAV's, maybe UCAV's should be in order, especially if they can't be detected, super stealth. Then maybe do some targeting of Separatists/Russian SAM sites, really throw'em some payback!

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Mitch S. July 24, 2014 at 11:48 am

It's 2014 and all of Europe doesn't have a drone capable of looking at Ukraine?!
Kinda embarrassing.
Maybe they can buy a copy of an RQ170 from the Iranians!

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elizzar July 24, 2014 at 2:17 pm

Britain has, amongst other drones, Watchkeeper observation drones and Reaper attack drones (same ones as the US). Europe and NATO also have their own AWACs and other manned surveillance / spy planes. Britain and France are currently working together to develop a stealthy combat drone (building on the Taranis program) which as I understand is ahead or at the least equal to US developments in this area. There are plenty of drones in Europe!
The better questions would be of jurisdiction, air space / control, RoE (ie. if fired at) and cost (these things do not fly for free).

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Mitch S. July 24, 2014 at 4:30 pm

I figured as much, but the article made me wonder if funding for larger drones had been absorbed by the Taranis (promising, but not ready yet).

The article is misleading as the OSCE is not just Europe. The US (among other non-Euro states) is also a member. (I had to google to find out what the heck OSCE is).
I agree, your "better questions' are better!

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Godzilla July 24, 2014 at 10:38 pm

Russia is part of the OSCE as well.The members list basically includes all of NATO and former Warsow Pact. It is supposed to be used to clarify situations like this or to mediate disputes.

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bill July 24, 2014 at 11:56 am

So, another need for a stealthy drone or a test of the Pave Hawk’s stand off look down capabilities. Bring em on. But please can’t we put defensive capabilities on it? active not passive ( HARM etc.)

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hibeam July 24, 2014 at 1:56 pm

How about a fundraiser in Ukraine? We can slap some sensors on Air Force One.

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iknow July 24, 2014 at 2:07 pm

NATO drone on the moon?

What is Harry Reid doing?

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5036/14023579473_7

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Rob July 24, 2014 at 4:07 pm

It's too late now. WW3 is upon us http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/24/obama-

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hibeam July 24, 2014 at 6:06 pm

Peace through apologizing has failed then? Who would have guessed that would not work?

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Rob July 25, 2014 at 3:49 am

Just to add, it may be launches by retreating separatists. Unlikely but possible. . If look Russia sites thou, they post propaganda saying NATO is preparing to blitz Russia via Poland.

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german July 24, 2014 at 6:31 pm

Artillery? Pfffffffffft

Come back again when tactical nukes have exploded in Ukraine, Romania, Poland, or the Baltic.

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Rob July 25, 2014 at 2:28 pm

Only will lead to mutual assured destruction. But I actually believe you this time. Sad days coming.

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Rob July 29, 2014 at 11:54 am

Negative vote me all you like. russia supporting the Rebels way more then you understand. Every sanction we cast, they counter with mega deals with other countries. Our government is always on edge of bankruptcy & theirs is just growing in strength. Push come to shove they will soon declare war on USa. mark my words. Because we doing nothing but trying to push and shove them into backing off. Which will not happen.

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anthony July 25, 2014 at 2:30 pm

We have scrambled to many times to chase out the Russian Bear Bomber, Holland alone cannot counthow many times they had to, tell them they are in our airspace.Its long overdue for armed drone ! The whole european union needs to protect and really protect europe,
We all have a minister and one should be able to rule in crisses time, not wait 8 T V days news to react!,,

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tiger July 26, 2014 at 6:29 pm

Chill….

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ghostwhowalksnz August 4, 2014 at 8:06 pm

You dont chase out any Russian Bear bombers, they fly in international airspace. Its just training for both sides.

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Stan July 28, 2014 at 7:04 am

Interesting contradiction in the article. First, stating responsibility for the downing of MH17 as a fact.

"Europe is in a hurry to pick up an unarmed drone for use over Ukraine, where a separatist group this month shot down a commercial airliner, killing everyone on board."

Then, admitting the truth that is only alleged.

"A Ukrainian group with close ties to Russia allegedly took down Malaysian Airlines 417 last week."

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Tapzilla.Com August 29, 2014 at 4:45 am

納得いかないって奴は多いが一人もそれで脱退する奴が出てこないな
大島が卒業したあとのAKBは乃木坂に逆転されるかもな
この中で何人の女がAVに落とされて豆汁吸い尽くされて、車ごと丸焼けにされてしまうんだろうか?

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www.opusfx.coom September 2, 2014 at 2:15 am

逆に玲奈は絶対に白石とビジュアル比較されて処刑された云々言われるから
と、恋愛や結婚に一生無縁のキモオタ童貞が申しております。
無理だわ。いいのがいくらでもいる。どこに入るの?

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