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Naval Power Bolsters U.S. Airstrikes in Iraq

by Kris Osborn on August 8, 2014

George H.W. Bush is supporting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility.

Navy assets deployed to the Persian Gulf are responsible for providing the advanced fire power and weaponry used in targeted U.S. military strikes August 8 against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant artillery positions, Pentagon officials told Military​.com.

Two F/A-18 aircraft dropped 500-pound laser-guided bombs on a mobile artillery piece near Irbil, Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby said in a statement. ISIL was using this artillery to shell Kurdish forces defending Irbil where U.S. personnel are located, he said.

The fighter jets were launched from the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush, which has been forward deployed in the region for months.

Navy officials said the service’s move to position key platforms and assets in strategically vital areas is designed for precisely this reason – to be able and ready to quickly respond should they receive orders to conduct strikes or take military action.

“We were already where we needed to be,” a defense official said. “We maintain a continuous presence in the region.”

Although Friday’s initial strike was limited to a truck-towed artillery unit threatening U.S. personnel and facilities near Irbil, the military involvement is also designed to help ongoing humanitarian efforts to airdrop supplies into another area where displaced civilians are seeking refuge.

The decision to bomb the target was made by the U.S. Central Command commander under authorization granted him by the commander-in-chief, Kirby added. The the U.S. military will continue to take direct action against the group when it threatens U.S. personnel and facilities, he said.

Later in the day, the U.S. conducted two more bombings in the same area — one using a drone aircraft against a terrorist mortar position and another using four F/A-18s against a ISIL convoy of seven vehicles and another mortar position, according to a separate statement from Kirby.

The Bush carries as many as 44 F/A-18s, including both Hornets and the more technically advanced Super Hornets. In fact, Navy Hornet and Super Hornet pilots have been flying surveillance missions over Iraq for weeks, in part to use their on-board electro-optical cameras and infrared sensors to identify potential ISIL targets. These missions were done in anticipation of a potential order to conduct strikes, defense officials said.

F/A-18s are configured with a host of air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons such as the two GBU-54 500-pound laser-guided bombs dropped near Erbil, Iraq. Laser-guided bombs are directed by a laser-designation from the air or nearby ground forces.

The GBU-54s used in the strike are known as Laser Joint Direct Attack Munitions or LJDAMS. Many JDAMS also rely on GPS guidance to pinpoint their targets.

The GBU-54 is a 581-pound glide bomb with a range of up to 15 nautical miles, service officials said. The weapon uses semi-active laser guidance as well as GPS and inertial navigation systems.

Navy officials said standard laser-guidance packages on bombs prove exceptionally accurate in clear conditions against stationary targets. However, with significant amounts of environmental factors such as dust, smoke, fog, or cloud cover, the guidance packages can have difficulty maintaining “lock” on the laser designation while pursuing moving or maneuvering targets, officials said.

This is why the GBU-54 was engineered — it’s a dual-mode precision-guided bomb designed to destroyed fixed and re-locatable or moving targets, Navy officials said.

GBU-54

The Super Hornet is also configured to fire AIM-9X sidewinder air-to-air missile, the AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile, or AMRAAM, the Joint Standoff Weapon, the Small Diameter Bomb and the Mk-84 general purpose bomb, Navy officials said.

On the deck of the USS Bush, the F/A-18s are joined by five EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft, four E-2 Hawkeye surveillance planes, two C-2 cargo aircraft and as many as 12 MH-60 Sea Hawk helicopters, Navy officials said.

In the Arabian Gulf, the USS Bush is joined by the USS Philippine Sea, a cruiser and two destroyers, the USS Roosevelt and USS O’Kane. Two amphibious assault ships are also part of the forward-deployed force, a big-deck amphib called the USS Bataan and a dock landing ship called the USS Gunston Hall. Another destroyer, the USS Arleigh Burke, is nearby in Bahrain, defense officials said.

As the U.S. military launches targeted airstrikes against ISIL, some analysts are wondering how the latest in surveillance and air-power technology might target small groups of ISIL fighters on-the-move – should strikes continue or escalate.

Given the prospect that more air attacks may follow these initial strikes, attacking ISIL may be more challenging than previous air attacks against fixed targets such as the initial bombing campaigns in the Gulf War and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

A dispersed group of fighters deliberately blending in with the civilian population and travelling in small groups in vehicles like pick-up trucks and armored vehicles might prove difficult or high-risk to pinpoint from the air with even the best precision-guided weaponry.

Nevertheless, one of the key architects of the air-power strategy used in the Gulf War and Operation Iraqi Freedom, called “effects-based” warfare, says using some of those same concepts may still apply when attacking a mobile insurgent terrorist group such as ISIL.

Retired Air Force Col. John Warden, known for his strategic involvement in creating and implementing “effects based” warfare, helped the George H.W. Bush administration prepare for the use of precision air-power in the Gulf War.

Effects based warfare is based on the premise that precision air power can achieve a particular strategic “effect” without necessarily attacking large numbers of fielded forces or the infrastructure of the attacked area. Success is achieved by attacking and disabling the enemy’s centers of gravity, referred to by Warden as the five rings – leadership, system essentials, infrastructure, population, fielded military forces.

“The concept of the five rings says that anytime you have more than one person operating against you, such as a group, you have the formation of a system,” Warden told Military​.com in an interview.

Warden explained that this means any group, such as ISIL, would have the elements of the five rings such as leadership, supply lines or system essentials and places to store things such as infrastructure, fielded forces and potentially some support from the elements of the local population.

“ISIL looks pretty straightforward,” he said, suggesting that some elements of “effects-based” warfare could potentially prove useful against ISIL if attacks continue, despite the fact that they are largely a guerrilla force on the move and not a country or area with a fixed infrastructure.

The idea of effects-based warfare is to achieve what’s called strategic paralysis and render an enemy force unable to fight by targeting leadership headquarters, command and control and supply lines, Warden explained.

Avoiding civilian casualties through the use of strategy and precision technology from the air – all while preserving much of the infrastructure of the attacked area – is fundamental to effects-based warfare. The advent of precision weaponry such as GPS and laser-guided bombs has, to a large degree, made this possible.

This approach proved quite successful during the Gulf War and opening attack or “shock and awe” conducted at the onset of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

“Where we have had success it is not because we have killed every guy that has a bomb,” Warden said. “It is because we have succeeded in destroying the ability of the opposition group to function in an organized and coherent way by attacking the leadership, attacking their communications, and attacking their supply lines — for the most part — without doing any significant damage to general infrastructure and little or no damage to the population that they are operating in.”

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lance August 8, 2014 at 4:26 pm

Unfortunately it our only real air power in Iraq now only USAF attacks can come from Turkey and there no real fighter bomber stationed there now. SO Naval air power is our only real way to attack ISIS now. As for this propaganda on this post on the F-18E/F its good for what its doing for ground attack but its not a true fleet defender it lacks real long range AAM now.Luckily US war planes don't face any real threat from ISIS apart from MANPADS and AAA. If we where dumb enough to attack Russian forces in Ukraine like what some idiots in congress wants we be in bad shape.

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guest August 9, 2014 at 12:10 am

Only air base is in Turkey?
Ali Al Salem-Kuwait, Al Udeid-Qatar, Al Dhafra-UAE, King Sultan AB-SA, Aviano AB-Italy, Sigonella-Sicily

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Tiger August 9, 2014 at 6:42 am

Lance, you never fail to amaze folks with your comments……..

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Jay Gibbs August 10, 2014 at 4:21 pm

What does Fleet air defense or the Ukraine, have to do with this story? And the F/A-18 combined with AMRAAM -C5's are more than enough to defend against just about anything they would ever be expected to handle. AMRAAM is a combat-proven, air-dominance AAM, unlike ANY Russian-made AAM's produced since the 1970's. If the Russian AAM's are so capable, why have they not shot down any US combat aircraft since Viet Nam? Anyway, this is ridiculously off topic as well.

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Andy August 8, 2014 at 6:01 pm

How about send in 20 drones and take care the business.

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Kole August 9, 2014 at 2:24 am

Problem is, drones aren't that flexible, and the payload is VERY limited.

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Andy August 11, 2014 at 11:54 am

F18 carry 4-6 JDAMS…Reapers carry 4 hell fire and 2 JDAMS and can stay in the air up to 24 hours…you do the math eh.

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anzaholyman August 11, 2014 at 2:00 pm

Looks like we need a forward operating base for drones in Kurdistan.

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ronaldo August 11, 2014 at 6:26 pm

That's true, but slightly disingenuous.

We've seen nothing that kind of payload, correct ? For the limited action that has been reported, it seems that the Predators would have been quite efficient, and far less costly to operate, no ?

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guest August 12, 2014 at 3:16 pm

Probably just load up the Reapers with 4x hellfires then. If most of what is happening is pot shotting at vehicles and personnel, the hellfire is plenty adequate.

Kole August 12, 2014 at 5:15 pm

The F-18 can carry JDAMs, AGM-114, 20mm, and strike the targets faster over a bigger scale. The drone does not have the capability to search and strike multiple targets anywhere close to as fast. Plus, that 24 hour "air time" doesn't amount to 24 hour "strike time." Just saying there is a reason why the Hornet's are the primary weapon here.

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Guest August 13, 2014 at 1:35 am

Because the F-18s are already there. The MQ-1 is being put to work there now, just a delay in getting them over there (probably around 24-48 hours if the crews are hustling).

Bobby August 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm

I just see this and can't help but thinking how effective a production variant of the x-47b would be in this situation. No air to air threat, limited AD/AA threat combined with long endurance for extended on station time. It would be perfect for this mission. Hang out close to where the enemy want to be and when they show up have a present wrapped and waiting… and of course by present I mean JDAM.

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Bobby August 8, 2014 at 6:56 pm

and then hang out and conduct a BDA and observe threat COAs while other platforms conduct operations.

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Ben August 8, 2014 at 8:51 pm

Just pointing out that Predators/Reapers have much longer loiter times and could do the mission much more cheaply.

Jets (especially stealthy ones) are pretty overkill in this situation.

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Bobby August 9, 2014 at 10:22 pm

Couldn't agree more (MQ-1/MQ-9s are great platforms, Ive seen them in action plenty). But just imagine a few years from now when we are sending F-35s to do this type of mission.
Also the cost of "Navalizing" (sorry I can't think of a better term right now) Reapers is probably not cost effective. And Predators are so light they would probably have to stop the ship to conduct flight ops or they'd get pushed of the deck. Ive been around UAS plenty enough to know MQ-1s and current Carriers will not go together well/at all. And MQ-9s while bigger and heavier would likely suffer from similar problems. The Avenger platform is considering naval ops from the get go so it'll likely be a great platform for this type of mission as well.

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Guest August 10, 2014 at 8:45 pm

Operating the MQ-1/9 on a ship would be a pain.
Sea salt & moisture, gusty deck conditions, not to mention needing to retro-fit some type of auto-land mechanism.
But, figure out how to auto-lauch/auto-land a Sea Reaper and you would be set for long distance, long endurance Navy ISR.

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Sling August 11, 2014 at 3:15 pm

Since you mentioned A2/AD, if anyone is interested the unclassified version of the DoD's Air Sea Battle concept designed to overcome Anti-Access/Area Denial challenges can be found in PDF form at http://www.defense.gov/pubs/ASB-ConceptImplementa

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Phono August 8, 2014 at 7:24 pm

<cite>"attacking ISIL may be more challenging than previous air attacks against fixed targets [...] A dispersed group of fighters deliberately blending in with the civilian population and travelling in small groups in vehicles like pick-up trucks and armored vehicles might prove difficult or high-risk to pinpoint from the air with even the best precision-guided weaponry."</cite>

I don't think the small units are the problem for the kurdish pershmerga forces. Afaik the IslamicState has also gained control over former iraki artillerie and even tanks and that's what 'making life hard' for the Kurds. In Syria the kurdisch PYD did hold up against IS successfully and they're now filling ranks in Iraq, but their problem seems to be the equipment. IS has gained modern Material in their advance but the kurds are fighting with some old AK47 – especially the iraqi-kurds seem to have invested more in infrastructure and society then in training and weaponery of their forces.
I also think that effekt based warfare cannot be carried out in the given environment, because of the lack of information about the islamic state. If you want to hit their 5 rings you need to know who and where they are – but do we know about this?
I would think we need soldiers on the ground to support the kurdish forces to stabilize the situation, but my country won't do that either … it's a big dilemma.
What's happening in the iraq is an disgrace of humanity.

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Phono August 8, 2014 at 7:39 pm

real complex is the problem that politics is in the way of many thinkable military options.

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hibeam August 8, 2014 at 7:37 pm

For the past six months Obama has been strolling by the leaking dike on his way to play golf. Now he is touring the area in a row boat.

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jamesb August 8, 2014 at 10:24 pm

The F-18 drivers where at it again today…..

And the drones made it in also…..

The Air Force must be chopping at the bit to get into the fight…
They are doing the humanitarian flights though and that's MORE important….

One assumes the Turkey has provided an air route in and out of Iraq….

We'll see if the President opens up the targeting area

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jamesb August 8, 2014 at 10:25 pm

were at it…..sorry about that…..

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Doc August 8, 2014 at 10:28 pm

Our problem: Lack of actionable intel. Lack of intelligence generally when we entered the country. Assymetry of threat vs our stand-off response. Absence of clear goal. “You can lead an Iraqi to water, but you can’t make him drink.” May be an accurate characterization of the American attempt at nationbuilding. How does anyone define our side vs their side without moving the line in the process of trying to draw it in Iraq?
One problem is not just making our expensive war-fighting technology fit this problem. It is doing anything constructive without creating a worse problem. We forget that Iraq apparently has no reason of its own to exist, and that tribalism there trumps most everything else, except maybe, “if you can’t beat’em, join’em”. I’ve never been there, so I can be wrong. I’m sure we abandoned some of those that did help us when we had no viable long term solutions and left after no invitation for a long term military commitment. Islamic State is getting a country on the cheap. Will it be like Cambodia without the isolationism?

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hibeam August 8, 2014 at 11:55 pm

Well we sent in the greatest diplomat of our time and he managed to get himself dropped kicked out of there without a SOF agreement. Pure genius. My leg is tingling.

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Tiger August 9, 2014 at 7:01 am

Yes, Kerry the terror of the Mekong…… LOL

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anzaholyman August 11, 2014 at 2:03 pm

It seems to me the Kurdish would be a far better place to put our sweat equity.

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retired462 August 9, 2014 at 6:48 am

The warthog (A-10) would be the best weapon to use right now! The Pentagon will not use them, though; 'cause it would be justification for keeping them around. With all of its redundant systems, and the titanium bath tub to protect the pilot, it is the ideal weapon system to use right now!

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rtsy August 9, 2014 at 4:12 pm

I'd think the "low and slow" trademark would make it too vulnerable to MANPADS and other AA weapons.

Obama and his inner circle are probably too afraid of a pilot being captured by the religious zealots to send in anything that doesn't fly high and fast, yet alone large numbers of troops to really take these guys out.

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retired462 August 9, 2014 at 6:54 pm

Yes, but they come in on the deck, and they will eat your lunch before you know they're there.
I've worked them, and seen the gun film from sorties. The GAU-8 is awesome!
Of course the joint chiefs want the warthog to go away, as they did before desert storm, and won't listen to the boots on the ground. They want retirement jobs with the "junk strike fighter".

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Tiger August 10, 2014 at 5:46 am

Yeah , yeah we get your a A-10 cult member.

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Doc August 9, 2014 at 5:17 pm

See below!

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Guest August 10, 2014 at 8:40 pm

The problem with using A-10s is logistics.

We don't have A-10s on station, meaning a delay in getting them there, moving refuelers, maintainers, ammo, ground equipment. All of this means expense

To operate out of our nearest base would require refueling, further increasing the logistic requirements.

Meanwhile, the F/A-18s are already out there with all their logistic stuff with them, and they can self-refuel. Navy is where it is at for rapid response.

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retired462 August 11, 2014 at 7:59 pm

Fly 'em out of Turkey!

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Guest August 12, 2014 at 3:15 pm

Take that up with Turkey, but even then you still have all the logistics with getting the A-10s there. Eventually the A-10s may get into the fight, though I doubt it.

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Tiger August 9, 2014 at 6:50 am

For once we are on the same page hibeam. This is 6-8 weeks too late. Half the nation gone. Army shot to hell or quit. Tons of US equipment in ISIS hands. The USS Bush Battlegroup could have acted when you could have done real damage.This is like showing up to a house fire with a garden hose.

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Tiger August 9, 2014 at 7:04 am

What no Black Owl, Semi official Hornet PR spokesperson post yet? This raid should have him doing backflips.

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hollywoodlee August 9, 2014 at 12:11 pm

Unfortunately everyone is overlooking THE most important thing here. When do you say that bombing has won it all for you? Eventually you will have to put feet on the ground, and that is an escalation of our presence there, and for how long?

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xXTomcatXx August 12, 2014 at 10:48 am

Iraqi feet.

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Tiger August 13, 2014 at 4:41 am

Win? We are not trying to win. The Mission is stop the bleeding.

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hibeam August 9, 2014 at 1:08 pm

A few hundred SFO on the ground in Afghanistan rolled up the Taliban with air power and a ragtag group of fighters known as the Northern Alliance. We will never do that again. It was way too effective and efficient. I think my ole dog Whomper could drive out ISIS with persistent drone surveillance and precision bombing backing him up.

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jamesb August 9, 2014 at 1:35 pm

The Kurds are the logical immediate 'boots on the ground' since the Iraq army is holding Baghdada and IS suspect….

Some more Spec Ops guys?
Yup….
But regular US Army?
No support for that….

But the US IS back in Iraq and I doubt they'll be asked to leave again…
Maliki gone IS the solution….
Airstrikes ISN't In the long run….

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rtsy August 9, 2014 at 4:17 pm

All this ISIL business is the real reason we're so afraid of real democracy and freedom in the middle east.

The threat that the people who come to power will not support America and instead kill anyone who does.

It's gonna be a hundred years before the region settles down again.

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Doc August 9, 2014 at 5:15 pm

Exactly right on Democracy. The Saddam we know might be better than the No Damn we don’t. But we don’t have patience or staying power to effect multigenerational change. I think even a region like Iraq in the Middle East will look different faster than you think. The global rate of change has accelerated, applying to good and bad events. I won’t try to predict further. There is an article in Slate today holding out optimism for a change in the wind of Iraqi inaction and disunity against the threat of IS, and how small actions on our part might help THIS TIME. Who knows when and if some action is better than none. Probably small scale is appropriate now. The game is not to convert from 10,000 to 1,000,000 on their side by our actions.

Warthog drones??? Yeah! Bring on Robohog and Robodog! Got’m treed!

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xXTomcatXx August 12, 2014 at 10:55 am

Agreed about the rate of change in global politics. I think with Maliki leaving we'll see a rapid change (for better or worse). I hate to say it, but I feel like the most successful leaders in the Middle East have a history in the Military. They seem to be more loyal to the country itself and less concerned about sectarianism. Any of the generals running for office there?

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blight_asdf August 9, 2014 at 7:48 pm

The ISIL business should be the real reason why we stop selling weapons to the Middle East.

Simply backing a dictator because they are nominally American isn't all that much better. Saudi Arabia is a pro-American witch stirring a witches' brew of anti-American eye of newt.

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hibeam August 9, 2014 at 11:35 pm

Someone seems to have affected a spine transplant in the Commander in Golf. Lets hope it lasts another two years until a man can ascend the throne.

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lowbeam August 10, 2014 at 12:48 am

There is normally only one type of White House residents who could claim to have a spine or a brain – dead ones.

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Tiger August 10, 2014 at 5:48 am

Doubt it.

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hibeam August 10, 2014 at 10:03 am

A scene playing out in burned out neighborhoods all across Iraq: "Look Daddy.. its Barack Obama in a shiny red fire truck"

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jack August 10, 2014 at 1:47 pm

We should send the bill for these strikes and food dumps to that idiot al-Maliki that is the cause of all this!

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Doc August 10, 2014 at 5:10 pm

The problem with that is, he’s got nothing to pay with, if he stays in power, and we already owe them for invading and destabilizing their country, regardless that we “didn’t go in for the oil” as evidenced by the outcome and our actions-and as ably stated above by other posts- no WMD, just the Bushrovian Imperial delusion. We only made the place safe for these new radicals and we couldn’t buy, protect, or keep friends after the invasion and pull-out. Meanwhile, other nations companies are said to have reaped the direct benefit of any open market, post-Sadam, as US entities have not been welcome or safe. In fact, the cost of subsidizing their continued participation would be quite high, a la Blackwater. If we are interested now, it is to prevent the permanent establishment of a new oil-rich terrorist-run anti-American Islamic state, of the type that would make Saddam look like our best bud, and maybe to honorably support those who supported us and who would be killed by the new Jihadists of the IS. “All politics is local” applies in spades over there with the tribal and sectarian loyalties. Iraq makes Northern Ireland in the last century look like a pre-school. We, and they, haven’t identified anything like a founding father or a unifying construct for a multi-ethnic state within the old British borders. The Shiites would have to cede/share power and cooperate on that. Our military action can only help buy time, or defuse the worst of the threat of ISIS/IS, not fill the vacuum that exists in Iraq and Syria. Those that are willing to fill it, include Iran, and any number of anti-American, anti-Western fundamentalist groups, who wish to extend influence or prove their strength against our shields.

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hibeam August 10, 2014 at 4:49 pm

Will this post be available in paperback?

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Patriot August 10, 2014 at 8:50 pm

We need another Carrier over there and have the other ships start unloading the Tomahawks. The Subs can also unload a few! You are dealing with a Group that wants to "DESTROY" the USA in the future and "CHOP HEADS OFF".

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Tiger August 13, 2014 at 4:47 am

Limited action is the goal. We have no goal of a win. If you wanted to stop ISIS; you would have hit them 8 weeks ago. Before they had half the nation & the Army in tatters.

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earl August 10, 2014 at 11:31 pm

2-810 warthogs, 2AC-130s,2 Apaches, 2-B52 bombers END OF STORY. Goodbye Isis and cry like a little bitch.

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Tiger August 13, 2014 at 4:48 am

Not in the cards.

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davidgmaher August 11, 2014 at 8:27 am

Question: Why haven't any cruise missiles been used so far, especially as re-routing capabilities improve? http://defensetech.org/2014/03/03/tomahawk-re-rou

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David August 11, 2014 at 10:01 am

Cost Maybe?

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davidgmaher August 11, 2014 at 10:19 am

Can't see the cost really coming in to play – cost of the carrier operation and maintenance of the F/A-18 can't be too different (plus the risk of putting a pilot in harms way). Besides, about 200 Tomahawks were thrown at Gaddafi – what differs here?

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xXTomcatXx August 12, 2014 at 11:08 am

Tomahawks are VERY expensive (over a million bucks a pop). We used them against Gaddafi because he had Air Defenses (which were taken out by the Tomahawks), and didn't want to put a pilot in harm's way. Additionally, you have to assume that the only costs being incurred by these flights are fuel and ordnance since the carrier would have been operating somewhere regardless. And even then, some of the fuel costs is probably covered by day-to-day flight ops.

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Tiger August 13, 2014 at 4:53 am

To target what? A Toyota pickup truck? You have few targets worth using or not killing Civies in the process. Blowing up damns & oil refineries is not the goal.

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Tad August 11, 2014 at 11:02 am

Dropping bombs on distributed movements like ISIS has never worked except in conjunction with, and as support for, soldiers on the ground. It's a tactical version of what the Strategic Bombing Survey of 1947 showed – strategic bombing increased the will to resist of nations that were on the receiving end, including the British, the Germans, and the Japanese. The US could spend another trillion dollars dropping bombs on Iraq and end up with no good outcome.

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xXTomcatXx August 12, 2014 at 11:12 am

Except the Strategic Bombing Survey of 1947 applied to bombing of ENEMY territory (Nazi bombing campaigns generated solidarity in the UK), not insurgents in your own territory. Agreed that you still need boots on the ground, but that's what the Northern Alliance is for. Unlike the Iraqi 2nd division that folded like a leaf, the Kurds are fierce and proud fighters. They'll beat back ISIS (with US bombing of course).

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Joe August 11, 2014 at 11:25 am

Cambodia anyone? Wonder if the progressives/liberals/communists will blame the bombing for the genocide that will follow when the US pulls up stakes and leaves?

waste of time and my tax dollars. If it were about people we would be intervening in the congo.

it is about israeli security so we are fighting.

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xXTomcatXx August 12, 2014 at 11:22 am

This has nothing to do with Israel. Israel can reach out and touch someone if they truly feel threatened (see Jordan, Lebanon, and Iran), sovereign territory be damned. The reason the US is willing to go to bat for the Kurds is because it's one of the few bastions of US support in that part of the world. The Kurds are a proud people that are also willing to fight unlike the Iraqi 2nd division that was willing to fold like a leaf.

I would much rather have my tax dollars go to a group that puts blood on the line without standing on radical beliefs. The alternative is letting your genocide occur. ISIS was on its way to Erbil prior to the bombing. This action may actually avoid that event.

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Nick August 11, 2014 at 2:08 pm

I guess that defueling carriers isn't such a good idea.

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Tiger August 13, 2014 at 4:56 am

One short term mission does not equal a major budget change.

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Johnny August 14, 2014 at 11:54 pm

I can see you guys know a lot about which tool to use to get the Job done. I know very little about all these great weapon systems. But here's the thing, I pray to god these Bas. don't get over here so the sooner they are stopped the better. They stay in business by expanding on fear. This is a very bad fire to put out, it has to be put out quickly at all cost before it gets bigger. To stop fires you must cut its oxygen or remove its fuel. Figure out the equivalent of these 2 properties, use whatever weapons system you want to help you and go to work. Bill the world, I'll pay my part of it.

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