Shes bigger and heavier than she is in the old photos.
But Jeep-maker Chrysler will tell you theres just more to love about the vehicle and it is hoping once again to find a place in the Armys heart and motor-vehicle fleet.
Under a banner announcing The Icon Returns, Jeep Government and Military Sales set a prototype of the new Jeep onto the carpeted floor of the Walter Washington Convention Center in Washington as part of the Association of the U.S. Armys annual conference.
To be sure the Jeep J8 on display at AUSA bears almost no resemblance to the one driven around Bien Hoa Army Base by long-ago buddies Lynn Pfeiffer and Ken Bones Roberson, but back then light utility vehicles were supposed to be just that light. The J8, like pretty much every vehicle on sale to the Army today, is big enough to tote a slew of equipment, including weapons and armor.
The Jeep J8 is a military version of Chryslers Jeep Wrangler. It comes with both diesel and gasoline engines, said Ken Bergquist, a vice president with JGMS. The company is pitching the J8 as a light patrol or border patrol vehicle, personnel or cargo carrier, communications vehicle or ambulance, he said.
Its not a vehicle youd use in a high-IED threat environment, he said, but it would serve a lot of missions that you dont need a Humvee for. Also, he said, the Army could own three J8s for the cost of one Humvee.
The classic World War II-era jeep was about 10-feet, 9-inches long and 6-feet high with the top on. The J8 adds a good four feet to the length and one to the width, but its only three inches shorter.
The Jeep was a mainstay of the Armys vehicle fleet from 1941 and for several years after the Korean War. After that the “Jeep” was actually a MUTT — an M151 Military Utility Tactical Truck, to be exact. But it looked enough like the old Jeep — and generations of Soldiers called it a Jeep — and so that’s what my buddies were tooling around in in Vietnam.
Turns out that Bergquist was at Bien Hoa at the same time (even knew my CO, he said) and he straightened me out on the Jeep/MUTT error.
This just came across the wires from the UK’s Western Mail:
A British-built steam supercar broke a 103-year-old world land speed record for steam-powered vehicles in the United States yesterday.
The 25ft-long British Steam Car — nicknamed the “fastest kettle in the world” — reached an average speed of 139.843mph on two runs over a measured mile at the Edwards Air Force Base in California.
The timing beat the previous record of 127mph set by American
Fred Marriott in a Stanley steam car at the Daytona Beach Road
Course in 1906.
Record officials recognize a land speed record as the average
speed of two passes made across the same measured distance in opposing directions within 60 minutes of each other.
Wow … that’s moving out. Can Steam NASCAR be far behind?
The $87 billion Manned Ground Vehicle Program will probably be killed this week, Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey told the Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee Tuesday morning.
Army Secretary Pete Geren also clarified one point that is sure to raise the hackles of Sen. James Inhofe the Non Line of Sight Cannon was killed as well. Inhofe had the NLOC made a separate program in large part to protect it from any cuts made to FCS. But Defense Secretary Robert Gates made the decision that killing MGV also meant killing the NLOS-C, Geren said today.
An Acquisition Decision Memorandum should be out this week, splitting the Manned ground Vehicle from the rest of the FCS program and killing MGV, Casey told the subcommittee. He said they have already instructed Training and Doctrine Command to being drawing up new requirements. A new program outline for a new ground vehicle should be ready after Labor Day, Casey said. The military will consider foreign vehicles, though Casey seemed reluctant to commit to the idea of buying one should it look tempting. (While the Army has bought excellent equipment from overseas in the past, it has been badly burned before over buying from foreign suppliers remember those black berets made in China. ) The first vehicles should roll out of the plant within five to seven years.
Sec. Gates and his budget experts have made very clear they expect MRAP will be a major part of the new approach to FCS. Casey and Geren were very cautious in responding to reporters questions about this after the hearing. We are working to incorporate the MRAP into whatever approach the Army comes up with, Geren said. And Casey said the Army is already putting networked MRAPs with other FCS spinouts into testing at Fort Bliss.
One thing may stay the same with the new ground combat vehicle a single chassis, which Casey said had clear logistics payoffs.
Finally, one of my colleagues asked Casey whether he would provide an unfunded requirements list to Congress. Gates has made clear he does not want to be blindsided by the lists a perennial favorite of both Congress and the services since it allows the services to circumvent the budget process and OSD in asking for money and Casey expressed admirable frustration with the process. Im almost at the point where Im ready to kill that whole idea, Casey said. Almost? I asked. Almost, Casey said to appreciative laughter from the gaggle. Look for an unfunded requirements list from the Army, coming soon.
One thing I’m curious about is what Gates said this week on the Army’s vehicle modernization program and, specifically, his line:
“The current vehicle program, developed nine years ago, does not include a role for our recent $25 billion investment in the MRAP vehicles being used to good effect in todays conflicts.”
In canceling the FCS ground vehicle program, Gates seemed to be saying there would be a role for the MRAP as a replacement for some FCS ground vehicle variants. That worries me a bit because as has been well documented here, the MRAP is of very limited use in most tactical situations and can be more of a detriment to a counterinsurgency than a help.
There’s been some more scuttle butt on this over at a well known loop that I’m not able to reveal to protect sources, but the back and forth has been whether the MRAP could be replaced by more Strykers. Michael Yon is arguing that the Stryker fits the bill in most of the situations that MRAPs were used for in Iraq and now in Afghanistan with more firepower and better all-terrain capability.
As someone who’s spent some time in Iraq in Strykers (and Bradleys) in Iraq I’d have to agree with Yon that the vehicle is pretty damned awesome and adaptable as heck. I agree with Yon that the MRAP could have a role in securing and convoy escort along MSRS and other LOCs. But I also see an enduring role for up-armored Humvees and the coming era of the JLTV. Of all the tactical vehicle modernization programs in the works, it’s the JLTV that I believe has the most promise and enduring effect.
Buy more Strykers with the latest bad-ass weapons systems, armor and C2 gear; kick up the JLTV program and keep the MRAPs for route clearance and escort and we should be good until it’s time to replace the Bradleys and M1s…and those should be fun ones to watch.
PS– I have contacted the Army on when it will release its service budget with specific programs and dollar figures. Apparently, Gates’ announcement was just that — an announcement of “priorities” and not the formal budget roll-out which officials say will come in early-to-mid May. Then we’ll get the R1s, P1s and other documents with specifics on who gets what.
And a source tells me he thinks the services might be going back to the drawing board:
Looks like SECDEF is going to force their hand. Frankly, I think both services are probably reviewing their plans in light of SECDEFs budget announcement this week, the upcoming QDR, and fiscal pressures that will call into question any major acquisition program.
The Pentagons acquisition community breathed a huge sigh of relief when the Government Accountability denied protests to the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle Program award by Northrop Grumman and Textron.
If this major program protest had been upheld it might well have brought Pentagon acquisition efforts to a slow and painful grind, even slower and more painful than they already suffer from, according to several senior acquisition officials with whom Ive spoken over the last several weeks.
The prose from the Joint Light Tactical vehicle program offices Wednesday afternoon press release was bland. The Government Accountability Office (GAO), today, denied the protests of Northrop Grumman and Textron Marine & Land Systems against the awards of the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV) Technology Development (TD) contracts.
But the prose from some Army sources was vibrant. You could hear literally some in the Army whooping it up that the GAO had found in their favor. However, the Army still faces a very fundamental problem, one it shares with the Marines. It does not have a clear and viable vehicle strategy. The J-8 is working on the issue but the budget is being rebuilt as we speak and the two services are buying an insupportable range of vehicles up-armored Humvees, MRAPs, FCS and JLTVs. And the move to Afghanistan will force purchase of a fairly large quantity of vehicles, leaving the services with less flexibility to make a rational, long-term decision.
The Marine Corps is starting to deploy a jeeplike vehicle called the Growler, 10 years after conception and at twice the contract price, after delays that were caused by changing concepts and problems in contracting, development and testing, according to two reports…
The inspector general report said that the average cost of a single Growler has risen 120 percent, from about $94,000 when the contract was awarded in 2004 to $209,000 in 2008. The unit cost for the vehicle with mortar and ammunition trailer has grown 86 percent, from $579,000 to $1,078,000…
The first six mortar and ammunition systems have been sent to Marine units, as have about 20 ITVs.
The Army has 81 ITVs under contract and is awaiting bids on 70 more; there are 12 mortar and ammunition trailer systems under contract and 20 more out for bids…
I covered the ITV pretty closely back in the day (before I was largely shut out of Systems Command) and I’m conflicted by the troubled program. On the one hand, I’m still skeptical about the selection of the actual “Growler” vehicle — essentially a tricked out WWII-era Jeep. It looks vulnerable and doesn’t seem to meet a wider need within the Marine Corps. Did the Corps really need a vehicle that could be transported by the Osprey and tow a 120mm mortar? Or did the Osprey need it to convince skeptics that the bird could be used for aerial raids so the Corps concocted this program?
Modern warfare — where the battlefield is a mix of actors, motivations and weapons — is in part defined by its rapidly changing threat scenarios and multiple layers of high– and low-tech on-the-fly innovations, all of which demand real-time responses.
In Iraq and Afghanistan, this has been especially true of armor protection for ground vehicles, which have been battered by all manner of increasingly powerful pressure plate and remotely controlled improvised explosive devices and explosively formed penetrators; weapons which morph as U.S. armor technology learns how to counter each successive generation of explosive.
This catch-as-catch can approach has produced fleets of hulking Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAPs), intriguing designs for Joint Light Tactical Vehicles (JLTVs) — currently hung up in industry protests — and calls for the Multipurpose All-Terrain Vehicle (MATV), or “MRAP Lite” as some are calling it. But what’s next for the armor field? Militaries want lighter vehicles, and despite the hulking size of the original MRAPs, successive generations of the vehicle will by necessity be lighter, and more maneuverable.
Damon Walsh, executive vice president of customer operation at armor and vehicle maker Force Protection, says his company, while always working on new armor solutions, is also focusing on ways to defeat and detect the threat before the vehicles encounter it. “One of the things that we’re keen on,” he says, “is not just passive armor systems to stop threats, but also more sophisticated active protection systems. The idea is “don’t just rely on armor, try and defeat the threat earlier before you get hit.”
In reflecting on the last several years, it’s not surprising that Walsh says that “we’ve had one of the largest demands that I’ve ever seen in the industry…for increased protection levels in real time. The threat changed in the past three years so many times that we were in the labs over the weekends trying to create solutions based on intel given by the customer for real-time changes.”
Tony Russell, vice president of vehicle armor BAE, which has supplied over 5,000 MRAPs to the U.S. Army and Marine Corps in recent years, sees one of the challenges of the future being the sustainment of the relatively expensive MRAP fleet, now that new orders have waned. But he’s also got his eye on the prize that other armor makers like Force Protection are gunning for — you’ve got to find “ways to defeat and detect the threat before you even get to it,” he says.
The Army announced yesterday that it had awarded contracts worth $166 million to three industry teams to develop the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle, also variously known as the Humvee replacement, although this vehicle will be much more than the ubiquitous Humvee. The winners are Lockheed Martin; General Tactical Vehicles (a joint venture between General Dynamics Land Systems and AM General, manufacturer of the Humvee); and BAE Systems.
The contracts are for the technology development phase of the protracted DOD production process, expected to take 27 months, when each team will produce at least seven prototypes. The idea is to build a family of JLTVs sharing common parts but available in different configurations such as a six seat infantry carrier, a four seat recon, command and control, heavy weapons carrier and ambulance. Once the prototypes are tested, the Army will hold yet another competition to down select one or more winners for the System Development and Demonstration phase. Full scale production is expected in 2013.
The Army and Marines have not finalized the total number of JLTVs they ultimately want to buy, but an Army press release said the request for proposals included a projected production quantity of 60,000 over eight years. The ultimate production number will almost certainly be much higher. Former Army Vice Chief Gen. Richard Cody, in an appearance before a House appropriations subcommittee last year, said the Army intends for the JLTV to replace 130,000 of the services Humvees. Australia decided this week to join the JLTV program and might buy up to 4,200 vehicles.
The joint Army-Marine Corps JLTV will strike a balance between performance, payload and protection, said Col. John Myers, Project Manager with the Armys Joint Combat Support Services, in the Army press release. Unlike the Humvee, which was originally designed as a rear area and garrison vehicle and was converted into a passable fighting vehicle by slapping armor and weapons onto it, the JLTV will be designed from the ground up as a fighting vehicle incorporating lessons learned from the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You might remember a few months back — as many lawmakers got themselves into a lather, treating the MRAP as the solution to every problem with the Iraq War — we raised some questions about the pace at which they were being fielded and how they were going to be employed effectively during a counter-insurgency campaign.
Well, the dust is starting to clear from the stampede of those who were out to prove they love the troops more than the next congressman, and lo and behold, their zeal caused a few unintended consequences.
Here’s an excerpt from the story running at Military.com:
The accelerated pace the military has used to buy and deploy thousands of heavily armored mine resistant vehicles for Iraq and Afghanistan could lead to problems with maintenance and cost overruns on the top priority project, according to congressional investigators.
Congress has appropriated $22 billion to acquire more than 15,000 mine resistant ambush protected vehicles, also known as MRAPs, to protect troops from roadside bombs and other insurgent ambushes, according to the Government Accountability Office report. Defense Secretary Robert Gates designated the program as the department’s highest priority acquisition last year.
That meant testing of safety and performance occurred while the vehicles were being bought, raising the possibility costly errors would be uncovered after the fact. More than 100 vehicles the military paid for were not fielded because of problems discovered after their purchase, according to the GAO report made public Wednesday.
“While the department’s concurrent approach to producing, testing, and fielding the vehicles has provided an urgently needed operational capability, it has also increased performance, sustainability and cost risks,” the GAO concluded.
Gizmodo has an item about a new miracle paint that makes whatever it coats invisible to radar:
A German inventor has developed a paint called AR 1 that can hide a vehicle from radar, and most importantly, “all militarily relevant frequencies.” How it works is unclear, though one test researcher proposes it’s either by reflecting radar waves in a pattern so they cancel one another out, or by utilizing microscopic magnets to absorb radar radiation. And no, it won’t get you out of speeding tickets.
The inventor’s story is an interesting one, involving thousands of hours of lab trial and error, as well as international military interest in his product … that far outshined the response from his own country’s military.
But apparently the most promising and equitable use for such a paint could be civilian. Airport towers and buildings have a long history of interfering with flight control radars. And to simply make them disappear would be quite usefulas opposed to calling hangar 12 in for a landing or something.
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